General election? June 8th?

McDonnell was on World at one today.

 

Abbotts replacement stood down from her home Sec brief earlier in parliament, she stated she had no confidence in Jezza. If she had no confidence in him, why should the voters

She seems like a nice lady...

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/diane-abbotts-replacement-told-blind-journalist-f-off-barging-104108243.html

Is there a point to this zero sum game? Philip Hammond, never see him anymore. Jeremy (h)unt, nuff said. Liam Fox kept in a box. Ooh look, anyone can play.

Hammond is the Chancellor. He can be judged on his record. I want to evaluate the person who is supposedly wanting to take his job. If he wants the job, then he should step up to the plate. Gordon Brown was very much in the public eye when he wanted to be Chancellor. But then again, I guess the wannabe Chancellor who is diametrically opposed to capitalism is best kept in the box. At least he as Abbott to keep him company now

Hammond is the Chancellor. He can be judged on his record. I want to evaluate the person who is supposedly wanting to take his job. If he wants the job, then he should step up to the plate. Gordon Brown was very much in the public eye when he wanted to be Chancellor. But then again, I guess the wannabe Chancellor who is diametrically opposed to capitalism is best kept in the box. At least he as Abbott to keep him company now

Bizarre reasoning, Balders.

What record is that? Hammond has been in his job less than a year - he's far from a known quantity. Hammond's presence is particularly important to provide reassurance that he, May and the wider cabinet are on the same page economically. The NIC debacle, dissenting voices over the triple lock, Brexit among other things suggest the direction of Tories under May is far from clear and united.

A slightly strange one here, with varying levels of detail given across different outlets:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40189916

The BBC neglects to mention that the Attackers (according to the victim) shouted "This Is for Allah" and broke her ribs.

Something seems out of place with the original story though (Did they know each other, previous animosity, etc).

McDonnell was on World at one today.

 

Abbotts replacement stood down from her home Sec brief earlier in parliament, she stated she had no confidence in Jezza. If she had no confidence in him, why should the voters

 

 

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She cant be that low on confidence seeing as she's just stepped back into the role can she.

Is there a point to this zero sum game? Philip Hammond, never see him anymore. Jeremy (h)unt, nuff said. Liam Fox kept in a box. Ooh look, anyone can play.

They have played the campaign as a straight May vs Corbyn. Then realising the continual smears weren't working anymore on Corbyn they switched to Abbott.

Can't believe the analysis of the Abbott emails on here. How about analysing the lies of the Mail and S*n splashed across their front pages today in a last ditch smear attempt.

They have played the campaign as a straight May vs Corbyn. Then realising the continual smears weren't working anymore on Corbyn they switched to Abbott.

 

Can't believe the analysis of the Abbott emails on here. How about analysing the lies of the Mail and S*n splashed across their front pages today in a last ditch smear attempt.

The "smears" on Corbyn have worked fine. And they're not smears it's true.

Abbott is a walking catastrophe and has done herself in by being utterly sh ite at her job.

And the Mail stuff is what people like me meant by "he's unelectable" two years ago - he's got all this baggage and it's a doddle to lay it on thick at times like this. It's all there in his history and his voting record. Ditto Diane, ditto "bombs and bullets" McDonnell. His team, hand picked.

But, yeah. The rallies. The membership. Fu cking brilliant.

The "smears" on Corbyn have worked fine. And they're not smears it's true.

 

Abbott is a walking catastrophe and has done herself in by being utterly sh ite at her job.

 

And the Mail stuff is what people like me meant by "he's unelectable" two years ago - he's got all this baggage and it's a doddle to lay it on thick at times like this. It's all there in his history and his voting record. Ditto Diane, ditto "bombs and bullets" McDonnell. His team, hand picked.

 

But, yeah. The rallies. The membership. Fu cking brilliant.

If you think what was on the front of The Sun today was true you really are a sucker of Satan's c*ck.

If you think what was on the front of The Sun today was true you really are a sucker of Satan's c*ck.

he is going to lose and lose by a pretty margin. even yougov have put a healthy gap between them now.

may as well start practicing throwing your toys.....

Jonny is deluded

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he is going to lose and lose by a pretty margin. even yougov have put a healthy gap between them now.

 

may as well start practicing throwing your toys.....

What has any of that got to do with today's headlines?

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he is going to lose and lose by a pretty margin. even yougov have put a healthy gap between them now.

 

may as well start practicing throwing your toys.....

I've never said I think Labour will win, not once.

What has any of that got to do with today's headlines?

The microwave-operator really can't follow an argument.

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Theresa May (and the barely mentioned Conservative party) will win comfortably tomorrow, with a substantial majority. Corbyn will have an increased share of the vote over 2015 but with fewer seats than Miliband.

Then the real problems will begin. By winning with MPs to spare, May will own Brexit, and as the true scale of the disaster unfolds, it'll be the last election the Tories win for a decade.

You heard it here first.

And with your track record, that's the best news the tories have had for a decade.

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That hat actually suits him.

I actually don't understand why anyone under 60 would still buy a newspaper. No idea what circulation figures are these days but most of the papers are truly embarrassing,

That hat actually suits him.

 

I actually don't understand why anyone under 60 would still buy a newspaper. No idea what circulation figures are these days but most of the papers are truly embarrassing,

They dont have to buy them. The front pages actually impact as theyre front facing on petrol forecourts and in supermarket entrances.

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The microwave-operator really can't follow an argument.

basically, you tears for Corbyn are pointless.

Most things that have been thrown at him are facts.. Facts about the IRA, Hamas, the people around him, his U-turns, addressing islamist extremists....and such like.

Theresa May (and the barely mentioned Conservative party) will win comfortably tomorrow, with a substantial majority. Corbyn will have an increased share of the vote over 2015 but with fewer seats than Miliband.

 

Then the real problems will begin. By winning with MPs to spare, May will own Brexit, and as the true scale of the disaster unfolds, it'll be the last election the Tories win for a decade.

 

You heard it here first.

wasn't that said in 2010?

this will be the 2nd election victory since then by all accounts

Who, if anyone, benefits from a low turn out?

Who, if anyone, benefits from a low turn out?

Tories (or the strong, incumbent party), usually.

(My Own) Final Prediction: 80 seat majority for Conservatives, Corbyn to stay on as leader, SNP to lose 8 seats.

Tories to get the most seats but with no overall majority.

(Not sure what happens next if that's the outcome as no-one will want to go into coalition with the Tories this time and they surely wouldn't be able to operate as a minority government)

wasn't that said in 2010?

 

this will be the 2nd election victory since then by all accounts

There was no Brexit in 2010. Brexit will be off the scale, compared even to the credit crunch - and the Tories will be the proud owners of it.

Both parties - Labour actually more than the Tories - have been utterly dishonest with the electorate about falling tax receipts in the coming years, and the huge cuts and tax rises that will be needed to try to keep things - especially a rapidly sinking NHS - afloat. But the Tories won't be able to escape a disaster of their own making.

And May will be gone within the next parliament.

Tories to get the most seats but with no overall majority.

 

(Not sure what happens next if that's the outcome as no-one will want to go into coalition with the Tories this time and they surely wouldn't be able to operate as a minority government)

They could try a minority but most likely there would be a vote of no confidence. So, in October probably, there'd be another election...

The only prediction I'm making is that there will be riots from those Momentum idiots come Friday. 100% guaranteed.

basically, you tears for Corbyn are pointless.

Most things that have been thrown at him are facts.. Facts about the IRA, Hamas, the people around him, his U-turns, addressing islamist extremists....and such like.

Oh FFS Delldays - you've swallowed all the propaganda hook, line and sinker haven't you. You've read the smearing headlines, decided that they all must be true, and ignored every bit of explanation of them while ignoring the very same faults within the Tory party.

The 'friends of Hamas' has been thoroughly debunked as the words of somebody using inclusive language trying to reach out to all parties in order to reach a peace settlement in a very volatile situation. How many times over the same period have British politicians described Israel as our 'friends' - because the Israeli government is just as guilty of indiscriminate murder of civilians as Hamas. Why are they the only ones we are allowed to call 'friends'?

As for his involvement with the IRA - again he was trying to work towards a peace agreement that suited all parties. And guess what - sitting down and talking to Adams, McGuiness et al. was precisely how the situation was resolved in the end, so he was proven correct in his approach. Sorry if you don't like that. Have you heard of Maria Gatland? She's a Tory Councillor in Croydon, and a former active member of the IRA who is quoted as saying "I agree with the shooting of British soldiers and believe the more who are killed the better". Let's hear your defence for that shall we?

Who, if anyone, benefits from a low turn out?

Oh FFS Delldays - you've swallowed all the propaganda hook, line and sinker haven't you. You've read the smearing headlines, decided that they all must be true, and ignored every bit of explanation of them while ignoring the very same faults within the Tory party.

 

The 'friends of Hamas' has been thoroughly debunked as the words of somebody using inclusive language trying to reach out to all parties in order to reach a peace settlement in a very volatile situation. How many times over the same period have British politicians described Israel as our 'friends' - because the Israeli government is just as guilty of indiscriminate murder of civilians as Hamas. Why are they the only ones we are allowed to call 'friends'?

 

As for his involvement with the IRA - again he was trying to work towards a peace agreement that suited all parties. And guess what - sitting down and talking to Adams, McGuiness et al. was precisely how the situation was resolved in the end, so he was proven correct in his approach. Sorry if you don't like that. Have you heard of Maria Gatland? She's a Tory Councillor in Croydon, and a former active member of the IRA who is quoted as saying "I agree with the shooting of British soldiers and believe the more who are killed the better". Let's hear your defence for that shall we?

Why were papers like the Guardian smearing him in 1996 then?

Getting ready for the future?

“Every few years, the London Labour MP Jeremy Corbyn indulges his romantic support for Irish republicans by using his parliamentary privileges to give them a publicity platform. These occasions always also provide a showcase for Mr Corbyn’s abiding qualities: his lack of wider political and moral judgment, his predilection for gesture politics, his insensitivity to the feelings of most Londoners and his indifference to the policies of his party… Mr Corbyn’s actions do not advance the cause of peace in Northern Ireland and are not seriously intended to do so. It is surprising that a politician as clever and important as the Sinn Fein leader should be bothered with him. Grown-up people ought to keep this childish sideshow in perspective. Mr Corbyn is a fool, and a fool whom the Labour Party would probably be better off without.”

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Oh FFS Delldays - you've swallowed all the propaganda hook, line and sinker haven't you. You've read the smearing headlines, decided that they all must be true, and ignored every bit of explanation of them while ignoring the very same faults within the Tory party.

 

The 'friends of Hamas' has been thoroughly debunked as the words of somebody using inclusive language trying to reach out to all parties in order to reach a peace settlement in a very volatile situation. How many times over the same period have British politicians described Israel as our 'friends' - because the Israeli government is just as guilty of indiscriminate murder of civilians as Hamas. Why are they the only ones we are allowed to call 'friends'?

 

As for his involvement with the IRA - again he was trying to work towards a peace agreement that suited all parties. And guess what - sitting down and talking to Adams, McGuiness et al. was precisely how the situation was resolved in the end, so he was proven correct in his approach. Sorry if you don't like that. Have you heard of Maria Gatland? She's a Tory Councillor in Croydon, and a former active member of the IRA who is quoted as saying "I agree with the shooting of British soldiers and believe the more who are killed the better". Let's hear your defence for that shall we?

Someone has definitely swallowed the propaganda hook, line and sinker.

Jesus wept.

The quality of the respective political leadership groups, and the standard of debate and knowledge amongst both the candidates and those publicly promoting them, make me despair for the state of this country's democracy.

Why were papers like the Guardian smearing him in 1996 then?

 

Getting ready for the future?

 

“Every few years, the London Labour MP Jeremy Corbyn indulges his romantic support for Irish republicans by using his parliamentary privileges to give them a publicity platform. These occasions always also provide a showcase for Mr Corbyn’s abiding qualities: his lack of wider political and moral judgment, his predilection for gesture politics, his insensitivity to the feelings of most Londoners and his indifference to the policies of his party… Mr Corbyn’s actions do not advance the cause of peace in Northern Ireland and are not seriously intended to do so. It is surprising that a politician as clever and important as the Sinn Fein leader should be bothered with him. Grown-up people ought to keep this childish sideshow in perspective. Mr Corbyn is a fool, and a fool whom the Labour Party would probably be better off without.”

 

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Cool story. What's it got to do with my question though?

One good thing to come out of this campaign is that it's made clear the Labour party don't have to be entirely anodyne and centrist to get elected. The quite 'left' manifesto has been mainly well received. If the messengers had been different it could have formed the basis of a government.

One good thing to come out of this campaign is that it's made clear the Labour party don't have to be entirely anodyne and centrist to get elected. The quite 'left' manifesto has been mainly well received. If the messengers had been different it could have formed the basis of a government.

I think you should wait for the results....

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I think you should wait for the results....

Pity you didn't do module on ' binary thinking'

Oh look, Seems like the Sun and the Mail have been caught out making sh*t up again...

https://www.thecanary.co/2017/06/07/exclusive-police-reports-prove-sun-may-broken-law-last-ditch-attack-jeremy-corbyn/

One good thing to come out of this campaign is that it's made clear the Labour party don't have to be entirely anodyne and centrist to get elected. The quite 'left' manifesto has been mainly well received. If the messengers had been different it could have formed the basis of a government.

So the young idealists will grab at the ideals of soaking the rich, as they get on in life a large percentage with mortgages and hard work will then understand why they dont want to give it all away.

Personally I would be happy to pay a bit more in if it was going to be channelled to the right people. I would love for the lowest wage earners to pay no tax at all , I cant recall what the level is now but anyone who works should be far better off than those who sit on their bums not wanting to do so.

I would also like the people who have earned their money in the UK not be able to avoid tax on offshore schemes.

Students should pay their way, if they didnt have their loans most of Southamptons bars and coffee shops would shut

One good thing to come out of this campaign is that it's made clear the Labour party don't have to be entirely anodyne and centrist to get elected. The quite 'left' manifesto has been mainly well received. If the messengers had been different it could have formed the basis of a government.

I'm not sure, they have certainly attracted a loyal and vocal core, but reaching out to the ambivalent masses?

Corbyn's strategy of targeting core Labour areas and Labour marginal in his campaign indicates he was trying to shoot fish in a barrel rather then take a risk and really reach out. The seeds he has planted in the minds of younger voters will play out interestingly though over the next decade or so...... And this I believe was Corbyn's intention all along. I don't think he expects to be Prime Minister, but he sees a chance to play a longer ideological game.

But back to the original point, we shall see at 10pm with the exit polls.

Oh look, Seems like the Sun and the Mail have been caught out making sh*t up again...

 

https://www.thecanary.co/2017/06/07/exclusive-police-reports-prove-sun-may-broken-law-last-ditch-attack-jeremy-corbyn/

Oh dear it looks like the Canary's pay per click payment method for articles has struck again.

http://weeklyworker.co.uk/worker/433/build-on-success/

Here is the report from the socialist paper the weekly worker in 2002.

Clearly the Mail and Sun are reporting truths.

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One good thing to come out of this campaign is that it's made clear the Labour party don't have to be entirely anodyne and centrist to get elected. The quite 'left' manifesto has been mainly well received. If the messengers had been different it could have formed the basis of a government.

Arguably that's one of the less noticed consequences of the Brexit referendum.

Just as the public didn't like being hectored by the doomsday hypotheticals of Project Fear (not least as it would claim its scepticism has so far been vindicated), so it's seen straight through some of the more outlandish economic claims made about a possible Corbyn government.

Whether this development is a temporary or more enduring remains to be seen; but it's a healthy one as it forces politicians to work harder and campaign on more positive and subtle terms - while consigning Lynton Crosby types to the scrapheap.

Think about it for a moment folks. We live in a country where the majority of people are going to vote for Theresa May, Boris Johnson, David Davis and the rest of the despicable, disgusting Tories. It's fair to say that most British people are ignorant morons.

God save the Queen mush innit.

Oh dear it looks like the Canary's pay per click payment method for articles has struck again.

 

http://weeklyworker.co.uk/worker/433/build-on-success/

 

Here is the report from the socialist paper the weekly worker in 2002.

 

Clearly the Mail and Sun are reporting truths.

 

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OK, so it is true that Corbyn spoke at the rally, and in the crowd was a very small number of Al-Muhajiroun troublemakers with whom the rest of the protesters refused to associate. The Sun and Mail have copied the article you posted word-for-word saying there were 200-300 of them, but the police report states only 30 at most.

The issue here is that the Mail and the Sun are trying to insinuate that Corbyn was addressing a pro-Al-Muhajiroun demo and was actively trying to win favour with them directly. But all the evidence shows this to be a total misrepresentation of the truth.

OK, so it is true that Corbyn spoke at the rally, and in the crowd was a very small number of Al-Muhajiroun troublemakers with whom the rest of the protesters refused to associate. The Sun and Mail have copied the article you posted word-for-word saying there were 200-300 of them, but the police report states only 30 at most.

 

The issue here is that the Mail and the Sun are trying to insinuate that Corbyn was addressing a pro-Al-Muhajiroun demo and was actively trying to win favour with them directly. But all the evidence shows this to be a total misrepresentation of the truth.

Where's the evidence that that is a police report?

The Canary have very recent history of misrepresenting. Just look at the article where they claimed that a sun headline published before the Manchester attacks, was published after.

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Oh dear it looks like the Canary's pay per click payment method for articles has struck again.

 

http://weeklyworker.co.uk/worker/433/build-on-success/

 

Here is the report from the socialist paper the weekly worker in 2002.

 

Clearly the Mail and Sun are reporting truths.

 

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That would be a first.

That would be a first.

Due to British laws... It really wouldn't.

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Think about it for a moment folks. We live in a country where the majority of people are going to vote for Theresa May, Boris Johnson, David Davis and the rest of the despicable, disgusting Tories. It's fair to say that most British people are ignorant morons.

 

God save the Queen mush innit.

What a delightful chap you are simply because someone has a different political opinion to you. This attitude is generally why the far left is despised. I echo the thoughts of others- momentum will probably riot tonight why underlines the type of people they are.

Due to British laws... It really wouldn't.

 

 

 

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Are you suggesting that the Mail and the Sun are some kind of shining beacons of truth and integrity?

OK, so it is true that Corbyn spoke at the rally, and in the crowd was a very small number of Al-Muhajiroun troublemakers with whom the rest of the protesters refused to associate. The Sun and Mail have copied the article you posted word-for-word saying there were 200-300 of them, but the police report states only 30 at most.

 

The issue here is that the Mail and the Sun are trying to insinuate that Corbyn was addressing a pro-Al-Muhajiroun demo and was actively trying to win favour with them directly. But all the evidence shows this to be a total misrepresentation of the truth.

More evidence that little Nolan can't read or think for himself - his only skill, it seems, is to blindly post links from the echo chamber of right leaning websites he inhabits.

Of course, whether the composition of the crowd, for the most part, was as moderate as claimed by the author is another matter; but little Nolan is not disputing the factual contents of the report.

Are you suggesting that the Mail and the Sun are some kind of shining beacons of truth and integrity?

Compared to sites like Breitbart UK, Westmonster, Canary, and novara media? Yes. Due to British laws and print regulations.

Do they have political bias? Yes. The Sun is Centrist, as obvious by their flip flopping between conservative and Labour. The mail is centre right.

For some reason some on the left don't seem to know how to unpick the difference in bias in reporting and lying.

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