General election? June 8th?

And now inevitably we get protests in Kensington with idiots like lily Allen whipping anti tory sentiment up and no doubt this will be looked at with glee by the likes of Mcdonnell. Quite frankly I can see why May could have distanced herself from the public if there was concern that things could turn nasty. I hope that the residents are allowed to stay in the area and that a full public enquiry is concluded with clear answers about what went wrong. I also hope that this sort of thing doesn't escalate because it does no one any good.

Cant decide whether you're disgusted or titillated by all this.

Cant decide whether you're disgusted or titillated by all this.

Disgusted by virtue signallers like Allen using this tragedy for political capital but the anger of those directly affected is much more understandable even if it seems rather premature to start rioting against the government. As I write I see May has announced an aid package for local rehousing so it seems the riots at the town hall were rather unwarranted.

John McDonnell urges one million people to join London march and 'force a new election'

 

John McDonnell has called for one million people to join a mass march in a bid to force a new election.

The shadow chancellor told trade union bosses that Labour needed every union to be mobilised and urged protesters to "get out on the streets".

 

http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/john-mcdonnell-urges-one-million-people-to-join-london-march-and-force-a-new-election/ar-BBCLC2M?li=AA59G2&ocid=spartandhp

Will be as successful as the million man march that a) didn't stop the Iraq invasion and b) didn't stop Blair (B-LIAR, more like, right?) securing a hefty majority that Steptoe could inly dream of.

The more McD and Corbyn do this sh ite, the more determined the Tories will be.

it seems the riots at the town hall were rather unwarranted.

The police seem to have become extremely slow in releasing the names of those injured and suspected killed in incidents. At the Westminster and Borough market incidents and now this you have worried relatives scouring hospitals searching for their relatives and the police refusing to release any names. I guess its to ensure nobody gets wrong information until everything has been treble checked - but if my kids were missing and the police were refusing to tell me if they were in hospital or if they were suspected dead I might storm the town hall too.

Disgusted by virtue signallers like Allen using this tragedy for political capital but the anger of those directly affected is much more understandable even if it seems rather premature to start rioting against the government. As I write I see May has announced an aid package for local rehousing so it seems the riots at the town hall were rather unwarranted.

No idea whether the proposed £5m fund is enough. But the protests weren't just about a potential aid package (at that time unforthcoming fwiw), so difficult to claim they were unwarranted. You seem to be as tone deaf as Theresa May.

The police seem to have become extremely slow in releasing the names of those injured and suspected killed in incidents. At the Westminster and Borough market incidents and now this you have worried relatives scouring hospitals searching for their relatives and the police refusing to release any names. I guess its to ensure nobody gets wrong information until everything has been treble checked - but if my kids were missing and the police were refusing to tell me if they were in hospital or if they were suspected dead I might storm the town hall too.

They also wanted a list of names of those living in the tower (not provided by the Council) - that information would appear less prone to error than revealing the names of those injured and suspected killed in the fire.

The police seem to have become extremely slow in releasing the names of those injured and suspected killed in incidents. At the Westminster and Borough market incidents and now this you have worried relatives scouring hospitals searching for their relatives and the police refusing to release any names. I guess its to ensure nobody gets wrong information until everything has been treble checked - but if my kids were missing and the police were refusing to tell me if they were in hospital or if they were suspected dead I might storm the town hall too.

Yes probably. But you can bet that many of the people trying to start a riot just hate the Tories and wanted an excuse.

Yes probably. But you can bet that many of the people trying to start a riot just hate the Tories and wanted an excuse.

You have an odd and rather disturbed view on the world. Are you claiming that many of people weren't genuinely angry or aggrieved but were looking for an excuse to kick off? Not sure how many BMEs (who made up the majority of the crowd) you know or live around. Guess not many as you pontificate from the provinces. But political interest and activism is generally very low among BMEs. Suspect having a pop against the Tories couldn't be further from their thoughts.

You can normally tell the amount of angry people at a protest by ratio of Socialist worker placards to home made placards.

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You can normally tell the amount of angry people at a protest by ratio of Socialist worker placards to home made placards.

 

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How many socialist worker placards were there? You're obviously confident in your assertion, so I guess you know.

How many socialist worker placards were there? You're obviously confident in your assertion, so I guess you know.

A few...

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A few...

 

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A few as in a negligible number? Good lad

Fwiw, I didn't see any from the footage of those storming Kensington town hall.

You have an odd and rather disturbed view on the world. Are you claiming that many of people weren't genuinely angry or aggrieved but were looking for an excuse to kick off? Not sure how many BMEs (who made up the majority of the crowd) you know or live around. Guess not many as you pontificate from the provinces. But political interest and activism is generally very low among BMEs. Suspect having a pop against the Tories couldn't be further from their thoughts.

How is rioting and protesting going to help at this early stage? What is it that they want that they haven't been offered at this point? This is a tragedy and I have a hell of a lot of sympathy for anyone affected but you can't tell me that some of the people currently protesting have nothing to do with any of this.

Brilliant! ...as ever, Peter Brookes.

Anyone would think May did the building work herself. I really don't recall this blame culture before. From Aberfan to Herald of Free enterprise, people waited until enquiries had concluded before pointing fingers. Expert on newsnight saying tonight that trying to make the cladding more eco friendly may have inadvertently created a higher fire risk. You can bet your life nobody on the "progressive" green side will mention that. It's all the wicked Tories fault. There will probably be many and varied reasons & like Hillsborough, I'm sure most will be obvious to future generations. Not that anybody is to blame, but telling people to remain in their flats probably killed a lot of people.

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Anyone would think May did the building work herself. I really don't recall this blame culture before. From Aberfan to Herald of Free enterprise, people waited until enquiries had concluded before pointing fingers. Expert on newsnight saying tonight that trying to make the cladding more eco friendly may have inadvertently created a higher fire risk. You can bet your life nobody on the "progressive" green side will mention that. It's all the wicked Tories fault. There will probably be many and varied reasons & like Hillsborough, I'm sure most will be obvious to future generations. Not that anybody is to blame, but telling people to remain in their flats probably killed a lot of people.

 

 

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Exactly. This is being driven at least in part by a dislike of the Conservatives. There wouldn't be this type of reaction if another party was in power. If there has been neglect then those who have been victims of this deserve justice to be done but protesting a few days afterwards before anyone has been found culpable is ridiculous. I can understand that reaction from those who have lost loved ones but not from those who are detached from this and just want to shout at Theresa may.

How is rioting and protesting going to help at this early stage? What is it that they want that they haven't been offered at this point? This is a tragedy and I have a hell of a lot of sympathy for anyone affected but you can't tell me that some of the people currently protesting have nothing to do with any of this.

Why does it need to make a difference? People are justified in expressing their feelings. And you don't need to be directly affected to feel sympathy, anger or solidarity. How utterly bizarre and warped to claim otherwise. I like to think the vast majority are sincere, though, of course, there will always be a few who are whipping up feelings for their own ends. Of course, it's equally despicable that some people are politicising matters by focusing on and exaggerating the role of those few c**ts and using it to cast aspersions on the legitimacy of the marches as a whole.

Yes probably. But you can bet that many of the people trying to start a riot just hate the Tories and wanted an excuse.

Despite your assertions you give the strong impression, similarly to May actually, that you are more sickened by a few chairs being knocked over and some shouting than by tens of your fellow human beings and countrymen being burned alive.

Anyone would think May did the building work herself. I really don't recall this blame culture before. From Aberfan to Herald of Free enterprise, people waited until enquiries had concluded before pointing fingers. Expert on newsnight saying tonight that trying to make the cladding more eco friendly may have inadvertently created a higher fire risk. You can bet your life nobody on the "progressive" green side will mention that. It's all the wicked Tories fault. There will probably be many and varied reasons & like Hillsborough, I'm sure most will be obvious to future generations. Not that anybody is to blame, but telling people to remain in their flats probably killed a lot of people.

 

 

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Agree and it's the Information age and people must have opinions and bandwagons start. Epitomised by that prck Piers Morgan. Demanding Arianna Grande visit victims and calling out a traumatised 23yo who actually showed everyone what a strong genuinely kind individual she is. He is now banging on about May. I don't have time for May but pathetic to be attacking her constantly over not doing everything the public wants. Element of scouse mawkishness in many of these disasters. People want to help where they can but feel like a bit of sanctimony when others don't join in and then become the target of attack.

Good news. Steptoe on Peston has confirmed that Abbott is better & is again shadow home sec. A remarkable return to health in such a quick time. Seeing as Steptoe does a different type of politics, it couldn't have possibly been​ Labour hiding her uselessness from the public, it must be a medical miracle

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Good news. Steptoe on Peston has confirmed that Abbott is better & is again shadow home sec. A remarkable return to health in such a quick time. Seeing as Steptoe does a different type of politics, it couldn't have possibly been​ Labour hiding her uselessness from the public, it must be a medical miracle

 

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I think getting Diabetes back under control can be quite quick. For someone not on top form imagine what sort of constituency majority she'd get when fully fit. She absolutely smashed it this time around and made the timid, cold May's constituency win look quite pathetic.

https://www.facebook.com/PaulJosephWatson/videos/1670549189639228/

http://www.private-eye.co.uk/issue-1446/street-of-shame

I think getting Diabetes back under control can be quite quick. For someone not on top form imagine what sort of constituency majority she'd get when fully fit. She absolutely smashed it this time around and made the timid, cold May's constituency win look quite pathetic.

Is that the same May that took zero time off because of diabetes & the same "timid, cold" May that got 50 more seats than the "winner" did?

She maybe leader of the largest party, the second ever female PM but that pales into insignificance against Abbotts majority. Had labour stood a pig in that constituency it would have won, it's not really a great feat of political history.

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Is that the same May that took zero time off because of diabetes & the same "timid, cold" May that got 50 more seats than the "winner" did?

 

She maybe leader of the largest party, the second ever female PM but that pales into insignificance against Abbotts majority. Had labour stood a pig in that constituency it would have won, it's not really a great feat of political history.

 

 

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So amusing all the kippers that are In denial. Fact is May called the snap election and campaigned on austerity and hard brexit. The public rejected it and her, and she blew her majority and suffered huge embarrassment. Now that was a great feat of political history. Labour is the best placed party to carry on with it all. She is digging her heels in as she knows they would get a majority if there was another election in 2017.

I think getting Diabetes back under control can be quite quick. For someone not on top form imagine what sort of constituency majority she'd get when fully fit. She absolutely smashed it this time around and made the timid, cold May's constituency win look quite pathetic.

So amusing all the kippers that are In denial. Fact is May called the snap election and campaigned on austerity and hard brexit. The public rejected it and her, and she blew her majority and suffered huge embarrassment. Now that was a great feat of political history. Labour is the best placed party to carry on with it all. She is digging her heels in as she knows they would get a majority if there was another election in 2017.

So the public rejected her,by giving her the most votes & the most seats. What did the public do to Corbyn then?

You do realise that leaving the single market was in the Labour & Tory manifesto's don't you?

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So the public rejected her,by giving her the most votes & the most seats. What did the public do to Corbyn then?

 

You do realise that leaving the single market was in the Labour & Tory manifesto's don't you?

 

 

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Labour never campaigned on a hard Brexit and have always said the plan should be debated publicly in Parliament.

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Labour never campaigned on a hard Brexit and have always said the plan should be debated publicly in Parliament.

Depends on what you call " hard Brexit" . Their manifesto was very clear & McDonnell reinforced their commitment to leave the single market on Peston last Sunday . As he rightly says staying in the single market is not respecting the result of the referendum. I've read both parties policies & the only difference is whether we walk away without a deal or not. Of course it's very easy to say you won't, when you're not negotiating the deal, but madness to say so when you are. "Before we start, let me tell you something, however bad a deal you give us, we'll accept it" is not a particularly clever position to take.

So if Hard Brexit is leaving the single market, both parties are in favour of it. It would help that if people are throwing around phrases like " hard Brexit " they gave us some context as to what exactly it is.

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"Before we start, let me tell you something, however bad a deal you give us, we'll accept it" is not a particularly clever position to take.

True, but neither is "if you don't give me what I want I'll jump off the cliff"

Thats why, despite what the Brexiteers want to believe, the EU hold all the cards. This will prove to be, at best, a whole waste of time money and reputation, and at worst a **** ****ing disaster of monumentally epic proportions.

True, but neither is "if you don't give me what I want I'll jump off the cliff"

 

Thats why, despite what the Brexiteers want to believe, the EU hold all the cards. This will prove to be, at best, a whole waste of time money and reputation, and at worst a **** ****ing disaster of monumentally epic proportions.

The EU really don't hold all the cards. But they certainly would if we went back on the referendum result and opted to change our minds and try to stay in now, so whatever your view on the rights and wrongs of the vote I'm afraid we're well and truly stuck with it.

The EU really don't hold all the cards. But they certainly would if we went back on the referendum result and opted to change our minds and try to stay in now, so whatever your view on the rights and wrongs of the vote I'm afraid we're well and truly stuck with it.

Not really. Membership benefits are pretty much the same for all countries. its a standard package.

Perhaps this goes some way to explaining the voting patterns in the latest election

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2017/06/19/resolution-found-boomers_n_17214348.html?utm_hp_ref=uk&ir=UK

You have an odd and rather disturbed view on the world. Are you claiming that many of people weren't genuinely angry or aggrieved but were looking for an excuse to kick off? Not sure how many BMEs (who made up the majority of the crowd) you know or live around. Guess not many as you pontificate from the provinces. But political interest and activism is generally very low among BMEs. Suspect having a pop against the Tories couldn't be further from their thoughts.

Case 1 - London riots summer of 2011

Perhaps this goes some way to explaining the voting patterns in the latest election

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2017/06/19/resolution-found-boomers_n_17214348.html?utm_hp_ref=uk&ir=UK

Perhaps this goes some way to explaining the voting patterns in the latest election

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2017/06/19/resolution-found-boomers_n_17214348.html?utm_hp_ref=uk&ir=UK

A comment at the end of that article.

"The failure of younger generations to accumulate wealth."

A reliance on credit, stretching beyond means. I have Baby boomer parents and for them, the idea of going into debt for anything other then a mortgage is absurd. These lessons were passed onto me, and although I do not live as extravagantly as some friends, my personal circumstances are far more secure.

The normalisation of debt as a means to an end surely has, has to be unsustainable?

This shared ethic plays a part in my support for austerity measures, but the need for a specific term for it is worrying in itself because, frankly, it just feels like common sense. Do not spend what you cannot afford!

Or perhaps I'm just old before my time.

Perhaps this goes some way to explaining the voting patterns in the latest election

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2017/06/19/resolution-found-boomers_n_17214348.html?utm_hp_ref=uk&ir=UK

Well without having studied the article in any great way I can't say I'm surprised. There is just so much junk available for the

young to spend their hard-earned on now. I didn't need a £1000 computer or a 500£ telephone, I had an old banger that I got for not much and not a balls out BMW at about 50000£. We were content with much less I think.

we may have the wealth but our frigging kids keep coming back and taking it lol. Our generation left home at 16-18 and never had a handout, wheras the kids of today!!! Perhaps Mays manifesto didnt hel getting their vote either as their inheritence was going to be taken......dont worry they all are waiting for us to pop our clogs.

Go to 1minute 55 for the inheritence bit

Ah, so what you're saying is that people of your generation have failed. You have failed to raise your children to be self-sufficient go-getters.

Thing is, the 'younger generation' are a reflection of their parents: the values and ethics inculcated in them by their parents. Their failings are your failings.

Ah, so what you're saying is that people of your generation have failed. You have failed to raise your children to be self-sufficient go-getters.

Thing is, the 'younger generation' are a reflection of their parents: the values and ethics inculcated in them by their parents. Their failings are your failings.

That's the problem with the modern day left. They don't like people to be responsible for their own actions and do everything they can to find someone else to blame.

That's because they were raised badly. QED.

That's because they were raised badly. QED.

I think it's partly because theyve been badly taught and pandered to at learning institutions.

I think it's partly because theyve been badly taught

First hand testimony there. It's 'poorly taught'

I think it's partly because theyve been badly taught and pandered to at learning institutions.

And their parent's generation are the ones who developed and designed those institutions and taught in them. And their parent's generation are the ones who voted for the governments who introduced those institutions.

If you want to blame the kids, look at the parents.

Ah, so what you're saying is that people of your generation have failed. You have failed to raise your children to be self-sufficient go-getters.

Thing is, the 'younger generation' are a reflection of their parents: the values and ethics inculcated in them by their parents. Their failings are your failings.

We didnt have cafe society, or go out for meals, get takeaways, and designer stuff was rare or unheard of. The last 30 years materialistic things have tumbled out of control. You even have babies with Ralph Lauren kit on

I suspect you are right, I know my generation have pandered too much to our children. We have been fortunate as we have created our own wealth and pehaps as we went without we didnt want for the same to happen to our kids, sadly too much.

We didnt have cafe society, or go out for meals, get takeaways, and designer stuff was rare or unheard of. The last 30 years materialistic things have tumbled out of control. You even have babies with Ralph Lauren kit on

Ignorance is bliss.

And their parent's generation are the ones who developed and designed those institutions and taught in them. And their parent's generation are the ones who voted for the governments who introduced those institutions.

 

If you want to blame the kids, look at the parents.

Today's teachers are the same generation as today's kids.

(When I say 'kids' I mean anybody who's younger than me.)

Ignorance is bliss.

Easy to tell who's over 60 here as the lack of self-awareness and gratitude is staggering.