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    Appreciate this is very much an open question as it depends on age/length of contract/nationality etc but some of the 'valuations' being bandied about in the media for players seem to be eye watering.

    Interested in the view from people who keep tabs on such things.

    According to the main man at Palace, the best value summer signings were Redmond and Wanyama (one in/one out!!)

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    At a guess;

    Forster - £15 million (including English tax)
    Cedric - £10 million
    Van Djik - £50 million
    Yoshida - £5 million
    Bertrand - £15 million (including English tax)
    Romeu - £18 million
    Davis - £3 million
    JWP - £10 million (including English tax)
    Redmond - £15 million (including English tax)
    Tadic - £12 million
    Gabbiadini - £30 million

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    Forster - £15 million (including English tax)
    Cedric - £25 million
    Van Djik - £60million
    Yoshida - £15 million
    Bertrand - £25 million (including English tax)
    Romeu - £25million
    Davis - £3 million
    JWP - £25 million (including English tax)
    Redmond - £30 million (including English tax)
    Tadic - £25-30 million
    Gabbiadini - £30 million

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    Quote Originally Posted by stevy777_x View Post
    Forster - £15 million (including English tax)
    Cedric - £25 million
    Van Djik - £60million
    Yoshida - £15 million
    Bertrand - £25 million (including English tax)
    Romeu - £25million
    Davis - £3 million
    JWP - £25 million (including English tax)
    Redmond - £30 million (including English tax)
    Tadic - £25-30 million
    Gabbiadini - £30 million
    15 million for Yoshida?

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    Quote Originally Posted by stevy777_x View Post
    Forster - £15 million (including English tax)
    Cedric - £25 million
    Van Djik - £60million
    Yoshida - £15 million
    Bertrand - £25 million (including English tax)
    Romeu - £25million
    Davis - £3 million
    JWP - £25 million (including English tax)
    Redmond - £30 million (including English tax)
    Tadic - £25-30 million
    Gabbiadini - £30 million

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    Yoshida is easily worth £15m

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeG View Post
    Yoshida is easily worth £15m
    In what universe?

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    £1.5m maybe

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    Quote Originally Posted by Batman View Post
    In what universe?
    Are you aware that 15M is not even that much in today's market?

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    Quote Originally Posted by stevy777_x View Post
    Are you aware that 15M is not even that much in today's market?
    Imagine we had just sold VvD
    £15m is probably our upper limit in getting in a top quality replacement

    Can you see it. Close your eyes and imagine les Reed sat at the desk with the cheesy grin with ur new star CB.
    Can you see it?

    Now, imagine we had just signed Maya Yoshida as our most expensive defender in our history

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    Quote Originally Posted by LGTL View Post
    At a guess;

    Forster - £15 million (including English tax)
    Cedric - £10 million
    Yoshida - £5 million
    Bertrand - £15 million (including English tax)
    Davis - £3 million
    JWP - £10 million (including English tax)
    Redmond - £15 million (including English tax)
    Tadic - £12 million
    You have significantly undervalued all of these in the 2017 transfer market. A decent season in the Championship sees players sell for £15m. All of those apart from Yoshida & Davis we'd be able to sell for £20m+ if we wanted.

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    Yoshida - £15 million
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    15 million for Yoshida?
    Quote Originally Posted by LeG View Post
    Yoshida is easily worth £15m
    Quote Originally Posted by Batman View Post
    In what universe?
    A universe where a decent season in the Championship sees players sell for £15m. Let alone a regular for a top half Premier League side.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Batman View Post
    Imagine we had just sold VvD
    £15m is probably our upper limit in getting in a top quality replacement

    Can you see it. Close your eyes and imagine les Reed sat at the desk with the cheesy grin with ur new star CB.
    Can you see it?

    Now, imagine we had just signed Maya Yoshida as our most expensive defender in our history


    You appear confused at the difference between a Premier League team buying a player from abroad and selling a player.

    There is significantly better value for players in the foreign market. That doesn't mean we couldn't get a high value for existing players at the club, especially if there is interest from other Premier League clubs.

    Being at a Premier League club inflates Yoshida's value. £15m in the Premier League for a club to club transfer is not a huge amount, a club like Bournemouth spent that on Jordan Ibe in a Prem to Prem transfer. But £15m in the European transfer market can still get you a very decent player... similar to want we paid for Gabbiadini.

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    Maya is a proven premier league CB, and still has a long career ahead of him.

    He is easily worth £15m.

    Yes, the market is ****ing stupid now. Massively overinflated and i hate that. Yet in this market Maya is £15m worth of CB.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LGTL View Post
    At a guess;

    Forster - £15 million (including English tax)
    Cedric - £10 million
    Van Djik - £50 million
    Yoshida - £5 million
    Bertrand - £15 million (including English tax)
    Romeu - £18 million
    Davis - £3 million
    JWP - £10 million (including English tax)
    Redmond - £15 million (including English tax)
    Tadic - £12 million
    Gabbiadini - £30 million
    Shane Long??
    Jay Rodriguez??
    Matt Targett ??
    Sam McQueen ??
    Harry Reed??
    Jordy Claisie ??
    PE Hoybjerg
    Boufal??
    Charlie Austin ??
    Jack Stephens ??
    Sam Gallagher ??

    Must another £70- £80m of 'value' there

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    Quote Originally Posted by stevy777_x View Post
    Are you aware that 15M is not even that much in today's market?
    We were quoted 16MILLION for Lewis dunk in Jan so yep yosida is worth all of 15 mill

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matthew Le God View Post


    You appear confused at the difference between a Premier League team buying a player from abroad and selling a player.

    There is significantly better value for players in the foreign market. That doesn't mean we couldn't get a high value for existing players at the club, especially if there is interest from other Premier League clubs.

    Being at a Premier League club inflates Yoshida's value. £15m in the Premier League for a club to club transfer is not a huge amount, a club like Bournemouth spent that on Jordan Ibe in a Prem to Prem transfer. But £15m in the European transfer market can still get you a very decent player... similar to want we paid for Gabbiadini.
    Jordan Ibe had the English premium.

    Think £15m overinflates him a little bit- £9m/£10m seems fair price for him.
    if someone offers us £15m id take it now and id trust our blackbox to find someone better abroad.

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    If we sold Yoshida for less that £15m we would never get a replacement at that price, he has been magnicent in a difficult situation, if Stones cost £50m Yoshiida woulod be cheap at £25mh

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matthew Le God View Post


    You appear confused at the difference between a Premier League team buying a player from abroad and selling a player.

    There is significantly better value for players in the foreign market. That doesn't mean we couldn't get a high value for existing players at the club, especially if there is interest from other Premier League clubs.

    Being at a Premier League club inflates Yoshida's value. £15m in the Premier League for a club to club transfer is not a huge amount, a club like Bournemouth spent that on Jordan Ibe in a Prem to Prem transfer. But £15m in the European transfer market can still get you a very decent player... similar to want we paid for Gabbiadini.
    its weird, you have Yoshida at about half that on Football Manager

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    Quote Originally Posted by Batman View Post
    its weird, you have Yoshida at about half that on Football Manager
    Beautiful.

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    It's funny how a players stock can rise and fall so quickly.

    I've always been a fan on Yoshidas, he's always been a decent backup (with the big mistakes sprinkled in) and he's been here for 6-7 years no fuss.

    But to jump him from 3rd /4th choice CB to £15-25m is a bit far even for some on the SWF.

    Since VVDs injury we have won just 4 of the 11 games, and conceded 22 goals. Can't blame all that on him, but what has he really done to justify his acceleration to one of the premier leagues elite defenders?

    Is it just another SWF mental bias

    Think it would be helpful for some to watch some football occasionally rather than just MOTD

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    As someone who has only seen almost every game home and away I would say Yoshida now would comfortably fetch £15 million. He is now a proven centre back with pace, strength and an outstanding attitude. Centre backs this good arevas rare as hens teeth these days, and at 28 he is five years younger than Fonte. In other words, Jose was just starting his Premier League career at this age and as many will remember was pretty rocky in our first year up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spyinthesky View Post
    Appreciate this is very much an open question as it depends on age/length of contract/nationality etc but some of the 'valuations' being bandied about in the media for players seem to be eye watering.

    Interested in the view from people who keep tabs on such things.

    According to the main man at Palace, the best value summer signings were Redmond and Wanyama (one in/one out!!)
    When you ask this sort of question you have to understand that it will be answered by two sets of responses,
    those that try to answer it honestly based on current marketplace value with comparable fees being paid and the
    other lot by responses loaded with their own agenda and anti Les Reed/SFC dross.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Batman View Post
    its weird, you have Yoshida at about half that on Football Manager
    Its weird that you consider Football Manager to have any relevance to the actual market..

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    Quote Originally Posted by ALWAYS_SFC View Post
    Its weird that you consider Football Manager to have any relevance to the actual market..
    you do know who set the stats for Southampton Football Club, don't you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Batman View Post
    you do know who set the stats for Southampton Football Club, don't you?
    For football Manager?... nope its fantasy for kiddies is`nt it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ALWAYS_SFC View Post
    For football Manager?... nope its fantasy for kiddies is`nt it?
    He posts on here and on this very thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Batman View Post
    its weird, you have Yoshida at about half that on Football Manager
    Which is consistent with MLG's trashing of the player over the years on here.

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    This seems to be a Maya thread now.


    Question..... would people be happy with him as 1st choice CB next season? Seems people are.

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    having a look at old threads about Yoshida...This is from Matt Le God.........(when Maya was linked away)


    He'd only be a loss if he wasn't replaced in the same window. Yoshida is below the level Saints need.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Batman View Post
    having a look at old threads about Yoshida...This is from Matt Le God.........(when Maya was linked away)
    Spoiler alert...

    Players value can go up as well as down due to performance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by angelman View Post
    This seems to be a Maya thread now.


    Question..... would people be happy with him as 1st choice CB next season? Seems people are.
    Yes, very happy with Yoshida as our 'number 2' centre back, and would be equally delighted if he ends up as number 3.

    If we could 'buy' another 30 goals from somewhere and strengthen the midfield it wouldn't be the end of the world if we ended up with Yoshida and Stephens playing regularly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by angelman View Post
    This seems to be a Maya thread now.


    Question..... would people be happy with him as 1st choice CB next season? Seems people are.
    I think so, providing he was alongside a more commanding CB like VVD. I'd also consider using him in midfield if we were ever short there, which i doubt we will be with current personnel. IIRC he's played in midfield for Japan before, but not sure if this is entirely accurate. But i think he's as good now as Fonte was last season, but not as good as Fonte was in his prime - yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doctoroncall View Post
    Spoiler alert...

    Players value can go up as well as down due to performance.
    Indeed.

    Anyway, back to this...


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    No. Position Player
    1 England GK Fraser Forster - £10m
    2 Portugal DF Cédric Soares - £18m
    3 Japan DF Maya Yoshida - £12m
    4 Netherlands MF Jordy Clasie - £10m
    5 Romania DF Florin Gardoș - £2m
    7 Republic of Ireland FW Shane Long - £8m
    8 Northern Ireland MF Steven Davis (club captain) - £2m
    9 England FW Jay Rodriguez - £8m
    10 England FW Charlie Austin - £4m
    11 Serbia MF Dušan Tadić - £15m
    12 Uruguay DF Martín Cáceres - £0m
    13 England GK Alex McCarthy - £2m
    14 Spain MF Oriol Romeu - £15m
    15 Curaçao DF Cuco Martina - £1m
    16 England MF James Ward-Prowse - £20m
    17 Netherlands DF Virgil van Dijk (team captain) - £60m
    18 England MF Harrison Reed - £2m
    19 Morocco MF Sofiane Boufal - £5m
    20 Italy FW Manolo Gabbiadini - £20m
    21 England DF Ryan Bertrand - £20m
    22 England MF Nathan Redmond - £30m
    23 Denmark MF Pierre-Emile Højbjerg - £15m
    24 England DF Jack Stephens - £10m
    26 France DF Jérémy Pied - £2m
    27 Wales MF Lloyd Isgrove - £0m
    28 England GK Stuart Taylor - £0m
    32 England FW Olufela Olomola - £0m
    33 England DF Matt Targett - £2m
    38 England DF Sam McQueen - £5m
    39 England MF Josh Sims - £2m
    40 France GK Mouez Hassen (on loan from Nice) - £0m
    41 England GK Harry Lewis - £0m
    42 England MF Jake Hesketh - £1m

    Total: £301m. Done.

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    Most figures seem far too low- if we sold Cedric for £18m, JWP for £10m or Forster for £15m I'd be pretty underwhelmed to be honest.

    Depends for me whether you're saying their value in respect to Saints or their market value in general. Højbjerg may be worth about £15m at the moment, but I'd say in my opinion as a young but experienced international with a lot of potential he's worth far more than £15m for Saints.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GGalpin View Post
    Most figures seem far too low- if we sold Cedric for £18m, JWP for £10m or Forster for £15m I'd be pretty underwhelmed to be honest.

    Depends for me whether you're saying their value in respect to Saints or their market value in general. Højbjerg may be worth about £15m at the moment, but I'd say in my opinion as a young but experienced international with a lot of potential he's worth far more than £15m for Saints.
    Although you could argue that for Saints his value is far less as he doesn't play much and when he does he gives the ball away in very dangerous positions. It's all completely subjective anyway.

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    Yoshida is going to be 29 this year, but I still think £15 million in the current climate is about right for him. You have to remember as well that he is a genuine trailblazer in the Premier League as far as Japanese players go, he's managed to establish himself in a decent Premier League team and has played well over 100 times for us. So that in itself will have commercial value for the club, if you want to look at it that way.

    I'd value Boufal at about £15 million too - undoubtedly the talent is there, but we just haven't seen enough of him so far to justify his club record fee. Keeping my fingers crossed though!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saint Garrett View Post
    Although you could argue that for Saints his value is far less as he doesn't play much and when he does he gives the ball away in very dangerous positions. It's all completely subjective anyway.
    That's fair, but like Romeu I'd expect him to play a lot more; he's had to adapt to playing football not just week in week out, but without a winter break which a lot of players coming into the Premier League seem to struggle with somewhat.

    £15m is fair at the moment, but his potential means that he should be judged with a few years in mind, not just the current player.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GGalpin View Post
    That's fair, but like Romeu I'd expect him to play a lot more; he's had to adapt to playing football not just week in week out, but without a winter break which a lot of players coming into the Premier League seem to struggle with somewhat.

    £15m is fair at the moment, but his potential means that he should be judged with a few years in mind, not just the current player.
    Yep agree, so I would say my valuation of about £300m is about right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saint Garrett View Post
    Yep agree, so I would say my valuation of about £300m is about right.
    Definitely not too far off the mark I'd imagine, but more near £350m for me. As you said it's only subjective though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saint Garrett View Post
    No. Position Player
    1 England GK Fraser Forster - £10m
    2 Portugal DF Cédric Soares - £18m
    3 Japan DF Maya Yoshida - £12m
    4 Netherlands MF Jordy Clasie - £10m
    5 Romania DF Florin Gardoș - £2m
    7 Republic of Ireland FW Shane Long - £8m
    8 Northern Ireland MF Steven Davis (club captain) - £2m
    9 England FW Jay Rodriguez - £8m
    10 England FW Charlie Austin - £4m
    11 Serbia MF Dušan Tadić - £15m
    12 Uruguay DF Martín Cáceres - £0m
    13 England GK Alex McCarthy - £2m
    14 Spain MF Oriol Romeu - £15m
    15 Curaçao DF Cuco Martina - £1m
    16 England MF James Ward-Prowse - £20m
    17 Netherlands DF Virgil van Dijk (team captain) - £60m
    18 England MF Harrison Reed - £2m
    19 Morocco MF Sofiane Boufal - £5m
    20 Italy FW Manolo Gabbiadini - £20m
    21 England DF Ryan Bertrand - £20m
    22 England MF Nathan Redmond - £30m
    23 Denmark MF Pierre-Emile Højbjerg - £15m
    24 England DF Jack Stephens - £10m
    26 France DF Jérémy Pied - £2m
    27 Wales MF Lloyd Isgrove - £0m
    28 England GK Stuart Taylor - £0m
    32 England FW Olufela Olomola - £0m
    33 England DF Matt Targett - £2m
    38 England DF Sam McQueen - £5m
    39 England MF Josh Sims - £2m
    40 France GK Mouez Hassen (on loan from Nice) - £0m
    41 England GK Harry Lewis - £0m
    42 England MF Jake Hesketh - £1m

    Total: £301m. Done.
    Agree with most - Boufal would be 15-20m given his age, potential and what we paid though. Gabbiadini and Romeu also on the low side given their performances this season and the length of time left on their contracts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saint Garrett View Post
    No. Position Player
    1 England GK Fraser Forster - £10m
    2 Portugal DF Cédric Soares - £18m
    3 Japan DF Maya Yoshida - £12m
    4 Netherlands MF Jordy Clasie - £10m
    5 Romania DF Florin Gardoș - £2m
    7 Republic of Ireland FW Shane Long - £8m
    8 Northern Ireland MF Steven Davis (club captain) - £2m
    9 England FW Jay Rodriguez - £8m
    10 England FW Charlie Austin - £4m
    11 Serbia MF Dušan Tadić - £15m
    12 Uruguay DF Martín Cáceres - £0m
    13 England GK Alex McCarthy - £2m
    14 Spain MF Oriol Romeu - £15m
    15 Curaçao DF Cuco Martina - £1m
    16 England MF James Ward-Prowse - £20m
    17 Netherlands DF Virgil van Dijk (team captain) - £60m
    18 England MF Harrison Reed - £2m
    19 Morocco MF Sofiane Boufal - £5m
    20 Italy FW Manolo Gabbiadini - £20m
    21 England DF Ryan Bertrand - £20m
    22 England MF Nathan Redmond - £30m
    23 Denmark MF Pierre-Emile Højbjerg - £15m
    24 England DF Jack Stephens - £10m
    26 France DF Jérémy Pied - £2m
    27 Wales MF Lloyd Isgrove - £0m
    28 England GK Stuart Taylor - £0m
    32 England FW Olufela Olomola - £0m
    33 England DF Matt Targett - £2m
    38 England DF Sam McQueen - £5m
    39 England MF Josh Sims - £2m
    40 France GK Mouez Hassen (on loan from Nice) - £0m
    41 England GK Harry Lewis - £0m
    42 England MF Jake Hesketh - £1m

    Total: £301m. Done.

    I would be very very underwhelmed if McQueen and Targett/Reed went for £5m and £2m- given that we got £16m for Calum Chambers ffs.
    Hope you are joking about Boufal too!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saint Garrett View Post
    No. Position Player
    1 England GK Fraser Forster - £10m
    2 Portugal DF Cédric Soares - £18m
    3 Japan DF Maya Yoshida - £12m
    4 Netherlands MF Jordy Clasie - £10m
    5 Romania DF Florin Gardoș - £2m
    7 Republic of Ireland FW Shane Long - £8m
    8 Northern Ireland MF Steven Davis (club captain) - £2m
    9 England FW Jay Rodriguez - £8m
    10 England FW Charlie Austin - £4m
    11 Serbia MF Dušan Tadić - £15m
    12 Uruguay DF Martín Cáceres - £0m
    13 England GK Alex McCarthy - £2m
    14 Spain MF Oriol Romeu - £15m
    15 Curaçao DF Cuco Martina - £1m
    16 England MF James Ward-Prowse - £20m
    17 Netherlands DF Virgil van Dijk (team captain) - £60m
    18 England MF Harrison Reed - £2m
    19 Morocco MF Sofiane Boufal - £5m
    20 Italy FW Manolo Gabbiadini - £20m
    21 England DF Ryan Bertrand - £20m
    22 England MF Nathan Redmond - £30m
    23 Denmark MF Pierre-Emile Højbjerg - £15m
    24 England DF Jack Stephens - £10m
    26 France DF Jérémy Pied - £2m
    27 Wales MF Lloyd Isgrove - £0m
    28 England GK Stuart Taylor - £0m
    32 England FW Olufela Olomola - £0m
    33 England DF Matt Targett - £2m
    38 England DF Sam McQueen - £5m
    39 England MF Josh Sims - £2m
    40 France GK Mouez Hassen (on loan from Nice) - £0m
    41 England GK Harry Lewis - £0m
    42 England MF Jake Hesketh - £1m

    Total: £301m. Done.
    Austin £4m, lol. We could easily sell him to a lower end/promoted club for 10m this summer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by saintrich View Post
    Austin £4m, lol. We could easily sell him to a lower end/promoted club for 10m this summer.
    £4m wouldn't even get you health insurance.
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    Austin £4m
    Redmond £30m

    Austin still has more goals than Redmond and he's been injured since November.

    Redmond has played 3x the amount of minutes and he's still behind the £4m duff

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    There seems to be quite a difference between what people think a player is worth and what they think another club might get a bid accepted for them. Transfer market is crazy now, any player we don't want to sell is going to cost a lot. No one is going to get Sims, JWP, McQueen on the cheap are they? Saw a boro fan saying they'd get £20m for de roon. Sounds ridiculous, but in this market is might well be true.

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    Yoshida has Japanese tax

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    1EnglandGKFraser Forster - £11m
    2PortugalDFCédric Soares - £15m
    3JapanDFMaya Yoshida - £10m
    4NetherlandsMFJordy Clasie - £7m
    5RomaniaDFFlorin Gardoș - £1m
    7Republic of IrelandFWShane Long - £12m
    8Northern IrelandMFSteven Davis (club captain) - £1m
    9EnglandFWJay Rodriguez - 12m
    10EnglandFWCharlie Austin - £10m
    11SerbiaMFDušan Tadić - £17m
    12UruguayDFMartín Cáceres - £0m
    13EnglandGKAlex McCarthy - £1m
    14SpainMFOriol Romeu - £18m
    15CuraçaoDFCuco Martina - £500k
    16EnglandMFJames Ward-Prowse - £8m
    17NetherlandsDFVirgil van Dijk (team captain) - £60m
    18EnglandMFHarrison Reed - £2m
    19MoroccoMFSofiane Boufal - £12m
    20ItalyFWManolo Gabbiadini - £25m
    21EnglandDFRyan Bertrand - £20m
    22EnglandMFNathan Redmond - £20m
    23DenmarkMFPierre-Emile Højbjerg - £10m
    24EnglandDFJack Stephens - £7m
    26FranceDFJérémy Pied - £2m
    27WalesMFLloyd Isgrove - £0m
    28EnglandGKStuart Taylor - £0m
    32EnglandFWOlufela Olomola - £1m
    33EnglandDFMatt Targett - £2m
    38EnglandDFSam McQueen - £5m
    39EnglandMFJosh Sims - £6m
    40FranceGKMouez Hassen (on loan from Nice) - £0m
    41EnglandGKHarry Lewis - £0m
    42EnglandMFJake Hesketh - £6m

    Total: £301.5m

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heisenberg View Post
    Austin £4m
    Redmond £30m

    Austin still has more goals than Redmond and he's been injured since November.

    Redmond has played 3x the amount of minutes and he's still behind the £4m duff
    However Redmond is considerably better, younger, bigger potential and not injury prone. Been one of our best players this season IMO, especially our best player in the second half of the season for me.

    If Austin could get fit, stay fit and get in the team most weeks then there is £15m in there for him, but unfortunately for him, he can't.

    Opinions are opinions though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Batman View Post
    its weird, you have Yoshida at about half that on Football Manager
    Quote Originally Posted by CB Fry View Post
    Beautiful.
    I don't enter a price for how much the players are worth into the database. The value shown uses a formula taking a huge range of things into account and isn't simply inputted. Plus if you've played the game you should know that the price listed isn't what the player would sell for, often it takes a lot more to actually buy them.

    Quote Originally Posted by shurlock View Post
    Which is consistent with MLG's trashing of the player over the years on here.
    What on earth are you on about!?

    Quote Originally Posted by Batman View Post
    having a look at old threads about Yoshida...This is from Matt Le God.........(when Maya was linked away)
    Can you actually link to the entire post and how the flow of the conversation went? Rather than the quote and no link.

    I have a feeling you may have taken my words out of context and left out something afterwards.

    Even if that isn't the case, are you not aware that players can improve? Yoshida this season is significantly better than in any of his previous seasons.

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