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I think you must have watched a different game to me! They look extremely defensive and limited technically. Just putting huge numbers of players behind the ball isn't impressive.

 

You're right it isn't. But it will be enough to test our shot shy / goal shy players.

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I think the time has come for Fraser Forster to be dropped. I doubt he will be, but it has to be in the manager's mind now. I'm confident we would have beaten Newcastle with any sort of competent goalkeeping performance. At the moment we look like those teams you used to play against at school where they'd obviously had no specialist goalies so put the biggest lad in the net and hoped for the best. Other than the odd game he has been shambolic for a year and a half.

 

In other parts of the team I feel that Van Dijk, contrary to what many people are saying, should continue to start. The same goes for Bertrand. They weren't as bad as people made out on the weekend in terms of their efforts. I think the reason we are seeing Virgil stride out into midfield less is because we now have Mario Lemina giving us more dynamism in that area, so he doesn't need to as much. That or he just doesn't give a **** anymore. I don't know, I'm not him.

 

In midfield Romeu and Lemina remain, obviously; then in front of them I'd like to see Tadic, Redmond and Boufal play together. As much as the former two have been a bit sh*te at times and the latter does often flatter to deceive, they are our best attacking midfield options on paper. I think they could benefit from developing an understanding not only amongst the three of them, but also with Gabbiadini. The Italian has to start now as he has finally proven what a lot of us already knew; that he is our best striker. Is it too much of a stretch to suggest that being dropped for Long for a few games fired him up?

 

Lineup:

 

GK: Literally any other keeper, living or dead.

RB: Cedric

CB: Yoshida

CB: Van Dijk

LB: Bertrand

CDM: Romeu

CDM: Lemina

RM: Redmond

CAM: Boufal

LM: Tadic

ST: Gabbiadini

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I think the time has come for Fraser Forster to be dropped. I doubt he will be, but it has to be in the manager's mind now. I'm confident we would have beaten Newcastle with any sort of competent goalkeeping performance. At the moment we look like those teams you used to play against at school where they'd obviously had no specialist goalies so put the biggest lad in the net and hoped for the best. Other than the odd game he has been shambolic for a year and a half.

 

In other parts of the team I feel that Van Dijk, contrary to what many people are saying, should continue to start. The same goes for Bertrand. They weren't as bad as people made out on the weekend in terms of their efforts. I think the reason we are seeing Virgil stride out into midfield less is because we now have Mario Lemina giving us more dynamism in that area, so he doesn't need to as much. That or he just doesn't give a **** anymore. I don't know, I'm not him.

 

In midfield Romeu and Lemina remain, obviously; then in front of them I'd like to see Tadic, Redmond and Boufal play together. As much as the former two have been a bit sh*te at times and the latter does often flatter to deceive, they are our best attacking midfield options on paper. I think they could benefit from developing an understanding not only amongst the three of them, but also with Gabbiadini. The Italian has to start now as he has finally proven what a lot of us already knew; that he is our best striker. Is it too much of a stretch to suggest that being dropped for Long for a few games fired him up?

 

Lineup:

 

GK: Literally any other keeper, living or dead.

RB: Cedric

CB: Yoshida

CB: Van Dijk

LB: Bertrand

CDM: Romeu

CDM: Lemina

RM: Redmond

CAM: Boufal

LM: Tadic

ST: Gabbiadini

 

You had me nodding agreement right up until the mention of Redmond. Just no. As niether he or Long contribute much/anything from the goalscoring point of view at least Long makes himself a pain in the ass for defenders to deal with. Redmond however is just a pain in the ass.

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In other parts of the team I feel that Van Dijk, contrary to what many people are saying, should continue to start. The same goes for Bertrand. They weren't as bad as people made out on the weekend in terms of their efforts. I think the reason we are seeing Virgil stride out into midfield less is because we now have Mario Lemina giving us more dynamism in that area, so he doesn't need to as much. That or he just doesn't give a **** anymore. I don't know, I'm not him.

 

I have to disagree about Van Sulk starting.

 

He is either very rusty still, in which case why is he starting 1st team games, or in my mind just doesn't give a flying toss. He is just going through the motions.

 

Sloppy Penalty at Stoke.

Lazy touch on the ball leading up to Newcastle's 1st goal.

Completely awol in tracking anybody for 2nd, just ambling along.

Several poor headed clearances that put us back under pressure.

Nearly came a cropper in a 50/50 because he didn't fully commit to it.

Still made no enthusiastic statements about being glad to be back in the team, and fully committed to helping the team win, just a sulky "I'm a professional and will give 100%"

 

He hasn't done anything that Hoedt or Stephens would have been able to. Drop him and play players who want to do well for the club, not just themselves.

 

I was very pro keeping him and hoping he'd accept the clubs stance with grace and knuckle down, but that doesn't seem to be the case and he is just stinking the place out at the moment.

But , I still hope we don't give into his spoilt brat antics, and let him rot rather than sell to his beloved Liverpool. Maybe when he finally sees the club won't sell him in Jan he'll man up and do what he is paid to do properly

rather than just going through the motions to get himself fit for January.

The pox on him and Klopp!!

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I think you must have watched a different game to me! They look extremely defensive and limited technically. Just putting huge numbers of players behind the ball isn't impressive.

 

They were more physical than us. Quicker than us. Lost it less than us. And had a goalie ten times ours, even after injury. Will be a very hard game, not least with our high expectations of three points

 

 

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-------------------------McCarthy-------------------------

--------Yoshida----------VVD--------Hoot---------------

Cedric-------------------------------------------Bertrand

-----------------Romeu-------Lemina--------------------

------Tadic-------------Boufal------------Redmond-----

------------------------ Gabbi----------------------------

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-------------------------McCarthy-------------------------

--------Yoshida----------VVD--------Hoot---------------

Cedric-------------------------------------------Bertrand

-----------------Romeu-------Lemina--------------------

------Tadic-------------Boufal------------Redmond-----

------------------------ Gabbi----------------------------

 

Swap Redmond with Tadic and then Redmond with someone else, and you have a deal.

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They were more physical than us.

 

What exactly is that meant to mean?

 

van Dijk, Hoedt, Romeu, Lemina, Yoshida down the spine of the team are hardly wimps!

 

Quicker than us.

 

Quicker at what exactly? Long, Cedric, Bertrand, Redmond, Gabbiadini, Boufal aren't slow.

 

West Brom pack numbers behind the ball and don't have much in the way of pace throughout their team.

 

Lost it less than us.

 

They hardly had the ball, Leicester controlled possession. Easier not to lose it when you barely have it! Plus in any case I though West Brom looked pretty poor on the ball and need lose it needlessly throughout that game.

 

And had a goalie ten times ours, even after injury.

 

Nonsense. Forster really isn't as bad as you and others make out. Yes, he makes the occasional mistake but you overlook all the good things he does and focus on the occasional error. Selective memories!

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You had me nodding agreement right up until the mention of Redmond. Just no. As niether he or Long contribute much/anything from the goalscoring point of view at least Long makes himself a pain in the ass for defenders to deal with. Redmond however is just a pain in the ass.

 

saints have scored 4 goals from open play this season Redmond 2 assists and Long 1 assist so actually they've made a contribution to 75% of the goals we've scored from open play...

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saints have scored 4 goals from open play this season Redmond 2 assists and Long 1 assist so actually they've made a contribution to 75% of the goals we've scored from open play...

 

Since your opening premise is that we've only scored 4 goals from open play this season, your subsequent argument isn't as strong as you think it is.

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JR will score at least one if not two, and I for one wouldn't begrudge him any success, another victim of Puel's cruel treatment .

 

Another big tall physical team, ironically at the away game last season I thought we would get bullied with Clasie and PEH but they ran the game!

 

Another draw, if we are lucky...

 

Yeh, how mean of Puel to keep playing him and for him not to score regularly. Nasty Puel...

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Nonsense. Forster really isn't as bad as you and others make out. Yes, he makes the occasional mistake but you overlook all the good things he does and focus on the occasional error. Selective memories!

 

If you call letting in pretty much every other shot on target into the net then yes just the occasional mistake.

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I have to disagree about Van Sulk starting.

 

He is either very rusty still, in which case why is he starting 1st team games, or in my mind just doesn't give a flying toss. He is just going through the motions.

 

Sloppy Penalty at Stoke.

Lazy touch on the ball leading up to Newcastle's 1st goal.

Completely awol in tracking anybody for 2nd, just ambling along.

Several poor headed clearances that put us back under pressure.

Nearly came a cropper in a 50/50 because he didn't fully commit to it.

Still made no enthusiastic statements about being glad to be back in the team, and fully committed to helping the team win, just a sulky "I'm a professional and will give 100%"

 

He hasn't done anything that Hoedt or Stephens would have been able to. Drop him and play players who want to do well for the club, not just themselves.

 

I was very pro keeping him and hoping he'd accept the clubs stance with grace and knuckle down, but that doesn't seem to be the case and he is just stinking the place out at the moment.

But , I still hope we don't give into his spoilt brat antics, and let him rot rather than sell to his beloved Liverpool. Maybe when he finally sees the club won't sell him in Jan he'll man up and do what he is paid to do properly

rather than just going through the motions to get himself fit for January.

The pox on him and Klopp!!

 

I hate to say it, but after re-watching the game I'm beginning to understand this line of thought. Will wait to see how he gets on in the next couple of games, but the early signs are not encouraging. I was (am) fully behind the clubs stance in keeping him, so I'm not going to whinge now, but I wouldn't be averse to seeing him dropped if his performances don't improve somewhat. We managed without him last season, we can do so again if need be.

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saints have scored 4 goals from open play this season Redmond 2 assists and Long 1 assist so actually they've made a contribution to 75% of the goals we've scored from open play...

 

Since your opening premise is that we've only scored 4 goals from open play this season, your subsequent argument isn't as strong as you think it is.

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saints have scored 4 goals from open play this season Redmond 2 assists and Long 1 assist so actually they've made a contribution to 75% of the goals we've scored from open play...

 

But in terms if goalscoring which my post clearly mentioned they have contributed nil between them

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Nonsense. Forster really isn't as bad as you and others make out. Yes, he makes the occasional mistake but you overlook all the good things he does and focus on the occasional error. Selective memories!

 

He's probably worse than people make out.

 

Nonsense from you.

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I'd play this tbf:

 

McCarthy

Cedric VVD Yoshida Bertrand

Romeu Lemina

Davis Boufal Tadic

Gabbiadini

 

Long comes on in second half, keep Redmond away for a while. With the other two subs I'd put JWP and Austin on depending on the circumstances, so those two can come on if we are losing. I'd drop Forster, and whilst McCarthy made a howler last night it was one of those ones which wasn't like he parried it directly to a player or dropped a simple catch, just a mistake which I'm sure he won't do again and try not to be arrogant and just boot it upfield, especially in a Premier League game compared to a U23s game- plus Forster has done a similar howler last season anyway!

 

However despite the line up above, gonna predict a 1-1, Hegazi or one of their tall ar*e defenders to get a goal and we'll reply back with a long range goal from Lemina!

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Are tickets prices for this reduced? I got a flyer sent to me by Saints mentioning something about 50% off...

 

It is , but they flyer really doesn't make it clear. If you buy a ticket for BURNLEY at home you can also get one for WBA half price. There's also the offer that members can get £5 off ticket for two games of their choice this season .

I think we'll comfortably see the smallest league crowd so far this season on Saturday as WBA won't bring many so there'll be a couple of blocks of the Northam empty.

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-------------------------McCarthy-------------------------

--------Yoshida----------VVD--------Hoot---------------

Cedric-------------------------------------------Bertrand

-----------------Romeu-------Lemina--------------------

------Tadic-------------Boufal------------Redmond-----

------------------------ Gabbi----------------------------

I doubt we'd get away with 12 players! However, taking Redmond out of that and leaving Tadic and Boufal behind Gabbi is how I'd go. Very much the Chelsea system, and Tadic and Boufal as inside lefts and rights could be very effective - they're both wasted out wide. Gabbi in one of the support roles would be effective also but there's no adequate replacement up top - Long would waste any chance created and Austin isn't mobile enough.

 

The only other change I'd contemplate is Stephens for VVD. He just doesn't look interested and had a mare against Newcastle.

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It is , but they flyer really doesn't make it clear. If you buy a ticket for BURNLEY at home you can also get one for WBA half price. There's also the offer that members can get £5 off ticket for two games of their choice this season .

I think we'll comfortably see the smallest league crowd so far this season on Saturday as WBA won't bring many so there'll be a couple of blocks of the Northam empty.

 

Well I'll be interested in those two glamour ties so long as they promise to start with Shane Long #goals

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Lazy touch on the ball leading up to Newcastle's 1st goal.

Completely awol in tracking anybody for 2nd, just ambling along.

Several poor headed clearances that put us back under pressure.

Nearly came a cropper in a 50/50 because he didn't fully commit to it.

Still made no enthusiastic statements about being glad to be back in the team, and fully committed to helping the team win, just a sulky "I'm a professional and will give 100%"

 

Sorry but no matter how many times I watch their second goal I can't see any obvious blame apart from Forster. At worst van Dijk could be accused of not being tight enough to Perez in the first bit of the move, when Shelvey picks him out, but given the positioning of the rest of the back four, that would have exposed us to a simple ball over the top. Once the move develops van Dijk continues to track Hayden. Romeu fails to stick with Perez, but even that is harsh.

 

Ultimately it was a good move by Newcastle - a pity that we don't seem capable of putting such a move together ourselves - but we still restricted them to a half chance from a difficult angle. It should have been comfortably saved - if not caught then put out for a corner.

 

I don't remember many poor headed clearances, but I remember lots of good ones.

 

I'm not denying the rest of the points you make, I've been very disappointed that he doesn't seem to have got his head down in the way that Schneiderlin did, for example. There are also moments he looks a bit off the pace, or maybe half-ars£d. But for these two points particularly I think you are looking for things that aren't there.

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-------------------------McCarthy-------------------------

-------Cedric---------VVD--------Hoedt--------Bertrand---

-----------------Romeu-------Lemina--------------------

------Tadic--------------Gabbiadini------------Boufal-----

--------------------------Austin---------------------------

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Did you see the U23's the other night, LeG?

So, we can't drop Forster because our reserve keeper dropped a clanger playing for the u23s. Not much point having a reserve keeper then if he is not going to have an opportunity when our first choice keeper is crap. McCarthy needs to be given a chance in the first team, he can't actually be any worse than Forster, he might be as bad, but will never know unless we try.

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I doubt we'd get away with 12 players! However, taking Redmond out of that and leaving Tadic and Boufal behind Gabbi is how I'd go. Very much the Chelsea system, and Tadic and Boufal as inside lefts and rights could be very effective - they're both wasted out wide. Gabbi in one of the support roles would be effective also but there's no adequate replacement up top - Long would waste any chance created and Austin isn't mobile enough.

 

The only other change I'd contemplate is Stephens for VVD. He just doesn't look interested and had a mare against Newcastle.

 

We played the "Chelsea system" against Wolves reserves and it was the worst Saints performance for years.

 

And why would you put Stephens in ahead of Hoedt? Mad!

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——————McCarthy—————

Cedric—Yoshida—VVD—Bertrand

——————Romeu———————

——Davis— Lemina— Boufal——

———Long———Gabbiadini——-

Interesting. My only thought is keeping Tadic on the team, probably for Davis or Long. Maybe start with Tadic for Long, use Long's pace as sub.

 

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Sadly, looking at the forecast, if the game goes ahead it looks like players will be struggling to stand up straight with winds forecast to exceed 50 mph around kick off time. Given dire warnings, which may improve, I fear we may have a "too dangerous to travel" postponement albeit live TV cameras will heap pressure on decision makers...

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Sadly, looking at the forecast, if the game goes ahead it looks like players will be struggling to stand up straight with winds forecast to exceed 50 mph around kick off time. Given dire warnings, which may improve, I fear we may have a "too dangerous to travel" postponement albeit live TV cameras will heap pressure on decision makers...

 

Why do we always end up playing a Pulis team on the windiest day of the year?!

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We played the "Chelsea system" against Wolves reserves and it was the worst Saints performance for years.

 

And why would you put Stephens in ahead of Hoedt? Mad!

 

Read my post, I wouldn't put Stephens ahead of Hoedt. I'd 'consider' him ahead of VVD who was utter sh1te against Newcastle.

 

Sure we were awful against wolves but who knows how long we'd practiced it. To me it looked like not very much at all. 3421 works well for many teams and personally I'd rather see that (properly coached) than what we are playing as clearly it ain't working.

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