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    Quote Originally Posted by monosaint View Post
    Only players to come out with any credit were Hojberg and Targett. Hojberg should play every game..
    If we sack MP then who do we bring in. Please, not Tony Pulis. Cannot think who would be a good replacement.
    Pulis confirmed as new Middlesbrough manager

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    Quote Originally Posted by ALWAYS_SFC View Post
    You have no idea what conversations Puel and Reed had last season
    Very compliant of you - but if he wasnít getting what he needed off Reed then use the press conferences to say you are short in this area and that area plus using your agent to brief. Being ambitious, thatís what Iíd have done. Reedís increased involvement with the first team has been disasterous

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    Quote Originally Posted by saint1977 View Post
    Very compliant of you - but if he wasn’t getting what he needed off Reed then use the press conferences to say you are short in this area and that area plus using your agent to brief. Being ambitious, that’s what I’d have done. Reed’s increased involvement with the first team has been disasterous
    Mouth of in public then, would be poor but I repeat you have not idea what chats they had..... None at all

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    Quote Originally Posted by saint1977 View Post
    Reedís increased involvement with the first team has been disasterous
    Is there any evidence of this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DuncanRG View Post
    Is there any evidence of this?
    There is none just in some heads on here

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    Did I really hear that joke of a manager say that he could take some positives from that game, just totally sums up how useless he is. If he has not gone before the ManU game the I think that this club are relegation certainties, do the board want to wait until we are in the bottom 3 ?

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    The team donít care, they arenít playing for anyone. Goodbye MP


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    Quote Originally Posted by adrian lord View Post
    So we have it confirmed that there are problems in the dressing room.

    And that is with VVD to all intents and purposes out of the picture. We had hints of it in Puel's reign. Toxic situation that will likely result in relegation unless the trouble-maker(s) are shipped out.
    What's been said? Not that it comes as a surprise with perennial moaners Tadic and Redmond in there.

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    5 goals is an embarrassment. The worst part of today was how our defending seems to have declined. What's the point of keeping VVD to have him on the bench? Over recent years we've had a defence to be proud of. What's happened?

    Nice to get two goals from open play. Something at least.

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    The new guy surely must be realising that mp is not up to it. I'd suggest that he gets shot of his ass before his £200M gets flushed down the pan.

    It's beyond a joke now.

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    Literally no one in that team I see fighting for us in a relegation battle, such a weak team.

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    In an ideal world we would be bringing in the following:

    New manager
    New GK
    New right back
    New striker (Austin is out for months)
    New wide forward

    We'll probably get one or two of those if we're lucky

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    Quote Originally Posted by ALWAYS_SFC View Post
    Mouth of in public then, would be poor but I repeat you have not idea what chats they had..... None at all
    A lot of managers do it, depends on your definition. If you have what you need from your DoF fine but by comment consent Puel didnít from two dreadful windows by Reed and Wilson. Remind me who got the sack in the summer - Reed or Puel.

    I rest my case

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    Quote Originally Posted by saintmonkey1979 View Post
    It's basic stuff too. Romeu for the first goal lined up with Kane goal side if him and had no chance after that. He even pushed him to the ball. Get goal side and you give yourself a chance. Simple Sunday morning defending that shouldn't even need coaching. It's common sense more than anything.

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    It's utterly embarrasing it's that bad. It's inexcusable when the mistakes are those that you'd try and cut out of a 12 year olds game! Not defending goalside against Kane, I mean ffs!!

    Overplaying under pressure
    Not putting enough on the ball when clearing
    Trying to get something on the ball when they should just shield and see it out of play.

    Terrible terrible defending.

    It's micky mouse stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DuncanRG View Post
    Is there any evidence of this?
    Let’s see:

    Lots of rumours on here in RK final season of unhappiness of his management style and level of control despit top 6 finish
    Reed’s ‘he’s done alright’ comment at awards dinner which brought astonished laughter
    Guan and K Billy posts on a new or change of direction
    Puel appointed but Redmond signed as a feeble Mane replacement well before he arrived
    The dreadful August window leaving us with a record number of top flight games and 3 strikers. Puel is too intelligent to swallow the Redmond as a striker stuff but must have thought he had little choice
    January’s dreadful window and the CB cock up
    DoF tells manager in June to either change style or part company
    Considering none of us really know who led on the appointments of Adkins and MP, it’s hard to know who to credit there. Reed got the credit for Koenan and wasn’t shy in lapping it up. Much slower in the press on his last 2 failures though yet both partially set to fail by being given unbalanced squads. The last 18 months dramatic slump coincides with the new direction. Perhaps you believe in coincidences - I’m not sure I do

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    Quote Originally Posted by saint1977 View Post
    Letís see:

    Lots of rumours on here in RK final season of unhappiness of his management style and level of control despit top 6 finish
    Reedís Ďheís done alrightí comment at awards dinner which brought astonished laughter
    Guan and K Billy posts on a new or change of direction
    Puel appointed but Redmond signed as a feeble Mane replacement well before he arrived
    The dreadful August window leaving us with a record number of top flight games and 3 strikers. Puel is too intelligent to swallow the Redmond as a striker stuff but must have thought he had little choice
    Januaryís dreadful window and the CB cock up
    DoF tells manager in June to either change style or part company
    Considering none of us really know who led on the appointments of Adkins and MP, itís hard to know who to credit there. Reed got the credit for Koenan and wasnít shy in lapping it up. Much slower in the press on his last 2 failures though yet both partially set to fail by being given unbalanced squads. The last 18 months dramatic slump coincides with the new direction. Perhaps you believe in coincidences - Iím not sure I do
    Sums it up well.

    Reed won't let managers choose their own players... and if they do, it has to get past the transfer committee of Les, the hobbit etc so it's no surprise how unbalanced and ill-fitting some of our recruits have been

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    Quote Originally Posted by Appy View Post
    Literally no one in that team I see fighting for us in a relegation battle, such a weak team.
    Agree, new manager will need to get some backbone in during January, plus some balance and pace for whatever their preferred system is, will mean lots of transfers out which I am not sad about in the slightest. Starting with VVD and Tadic hopefully

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    Finally!!!!

    I can make my first post as an official ITK source!!

    We are crap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by saint1977 View Post
    A lot of managers do it, depends on your definition. If you have what you need from your DoF fine but by comment consent Puel didn’t from two dreadful windows by Reed and Wilson. Remind me who got the sack in the summer - Reed or Puel.

    I rest my case
    Puel could not sack his boss could he?

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    That phrase is now fully stuck in my mind "We are in relegation trouble"......It's just like the old days again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saint Albert View Post
    Thereís not much else to say other than the performances are getting worse. All of the backwards and sideways passes in our own half against a high pressing team invite pressure. Forward passing and long balls over the high line are a way to deal with the pressing and surely one of the reasons to have Longís pace and Redmondís supposed pace is to exploit the high line.

    This was a thrashing. Iím at the point where I am doubting the competence of the board in persisting with Pellegrino, who after an underwhelming start is proving to be a woefully inadequate manager. He needs to go before Man U, and the board better already have his replacement signed up.
    This is a very good post. I am dreading the long drive north on Saturday. Not sure how much came across on TV but the booing of Redmond was widespread, not just vocal minority, and the chant of ďsacked in the morningĒ again had mass support. For those who travel to games we enjoyed good trips under Puel, 4 at Watford and Sunderland, 3 at Bournemouth and Wet Spam, wins at WBA, Boro, and of course fantastic wins in the League Cup at Arsenal and Liverpool. Previous season under RK wins at Chelsea, Spurs, Man Utd etc. This season we have one away win, and the away fans are absolutely low as a snakes belly. Putting money and time in and minimum expectation is commitment. Currently I donít see that commitment from too many. Redmond backing out of tackles, Lamina a shadow of his former self.

    The historically poor decision to fire Puel was explained by some (albeit not those who know) as having lost the dressing room. So how are those precious wallflowers who didnít like him getting on now?

    We are sleepwalking to relegation under MP and he needs to go tonight.

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    Sadly, things are developing as I feared they would when we started the season so lethargically. We needed to come out of the blocks running hard but MP seemed to want to ease his way in with cautious football - exactly what we're meant to believe got CP the sack.

    But not really surprising, from his track record. On balance I wanted to give Puel another season, or few months at least.

    The stupid decision was, if we were going to change, to appoint a weaker version of the man we sacked. Which suggests that Les Reed and/or the black box are programmed to find a very definite style of manager.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forester View Post
    This is a very good post. I am dreading the long drive north on Saturday. Not sure how much came across on TV but the booing of Redmond was widespread, not just vocal minority, and the chant of ďsacked in the morningĒ again had mass support. For those who travel to games we enjoyed good trips under Puel, 4 at Watford and Sunderland, 3 at Bournemouth and Wet Spam, wins at WBA, Boro, and of course fantastic wins in the League Cup at Arsenal and Liverpool. Previous season under RK wins at Chelsea, Spurs, Man Utd etc. This season we have one away win, and the away fans are absolutely low as a snakes belly. Putting money and time in and minimum expectation is commitment. Currently I donít see that commitment from too many. Redmond backing out of tackles, Lamina a shadow of his former self.

    The historically poor decision to fire Puel was explained by some (albeit not those who know) as having lost the dressing room. So how are those precious wallflowers who didnít like him getting on now?

    We are sleepwalking to relegation under MP and he needs to go tonight.
    Redmond booing was noticeable. Heard the ďyouíre not fit to wear the shirtĒ chants as well.

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    The turning point for Saints came when Vardy injured VVD. It’s been a slow downward slope since then.

    We are now on a cliff to the Championship looking over the edge

    Shambles

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    Quote Originally Posted by ALWAYS_SFC View Post
    Puel could not sack his boss could he?
    He could have lobbied for a 4th striker and a Fonte replacement though. Although it was hinted by one of the ITKs that Puel wanted to get rid of Fraser in the summer but Reed refused and inexplicably gave him a new 5 year deal. Reed should have been sacked for that alone. Puel is better off out of that - the fans arenít so lucky

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    Did I expect to win? No
    Did I expect to lose? Yes
    Did I expect to lose 5-2? N
    Did I expect some fighting spirit? Yes

    I do not expect to lose 5-2 anywhere - Home or away. Need to grow some (with or without the current management) or we are just fodder this season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pamplemousse View Post
    Redmond booing was noticeable. Heard the “you’re not fit to wear the shirt” chants as well.
    That will not help his confidence, which must be fragile at this point.

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    worst team, some of the best players, worst manager in 56 years of support.
    including Branfoot, no fight, no shape
    production line of youth had dried up but not to worry WE March On and Do IT OUR WAY

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    Quote Originally Posted by saint1977 View Post
    He could have lobbied for a 4th striker and a Fonte replacement though. Although it was hinted by one of the ITKs that Puel wanted to get rid of Fraser in the summer but Reed refused and inexplicably gave him a new 5 year deal. Reed should have been sacked for that alone. Puel is better off out of that - the fans aren’t so lucky
    Do you claim to have contacts at the club or just cobbling bits and pieces from here?

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    Long can **** off and all.

    that's all I can add for now

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saint Albert View Post
    That will not help his confidence, which must be fragile at this point.
    Nor does getting up at 6am, to catch a coach at 7am to blow £100 plus for me and 2 lads to watch them roll over and get their stomachs tickled.
    Redmond spends his time blaming everyone else during a game, left Targett exposed two against one all game

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    Quote Originally Posted by 70's Mike View Post
    Redmond spends his time blaming everyone else during a game, left Targett exposed two against one all game
    TBF he was playing on the opposite wing. But he is sh ite.

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    Let's see - when was this game lost?

    Before we started - OK it is my opinion but here are my main thoughts about where it has been going wrong for the last season and a half.

    1. Agent Power - Koeman and Van Dyke (both the same agent) sucked away (1 actually and 1 already mentally) and therefore the team distracted from building on the clubs 8 successive seasons of development and improvement before the season started.

    2. Long-term Lack of Wisdom/Foresight from the Board - Puel without relevant experience was never going to succeed with his management style until he learnt the hard way - guess what - he has learnt but at Saint's expense - so what do they do but repeat the same mistake over again with this bloke who is clueless and inept.

    3. Keeping Van Dyke in the summer when he was already gone in his head was madness - he should have been shipped out to anywhere other than Liverpool or even the Premiership at a reasonable price and the money invested in players that were committed to wanting to wear the shirt.

    4. Playing Van Dyke over this season - again Madness! He has not only cost us goals but the team/mood is defeat orientated - if they were going to keep him then let him warm the subs bench in the reserves as a punishment and then get rid.

    I'm sorry as many of you may disagree and write this off as a rant but these are the things that I have been thinking and saying for 18 months because I could see the way it could unfold and have seen all the good work of the past few years pretty much thrown away.

    I am in despair about our situation and can only hope that the new owner will not accept this state of affairs - act now and get a manager in who can get the best out of the squad, move out the players who are not turning up and fill three key positions.

    We need someone who 'gets' the Southampton way and is more astute in his tactics - otherwise we are down and everything the club has achieved prior to 18 months ago will have been for nothing!

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    Quote Originally Posted by James View Post
    That may be right but the whole "fans who wanted Puel out are getting what they deserved" is tiresome and wrong. Nobody asked for Pellegrino to be inflicted upon us.
    Perhaps - but who else was available who was willing to come? The decision to sack Puell is coming back to bite us in the arse big time. We did not score many but we sure as hell did not concede many either. Sack Pelligrino by all means but who else do we bring in that is a) available and b) better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shurlock View Post
    Do you claim to have contacts at the club or just cobbling bits and pieces from here?
    Partially drawing together what the seemingly more reliable ITKs - Guan, KBSS and LeG - have posted and my own observations of what I’ve seen. Pretty plain that only 3 strikers last season come September 16, one of them injury prone, one of them never the same since a major injury and the other never prolific - was madness and needed opposing or at least some oversight. The sale of Fonte was good business but quite why there wasn’t a succession plan even pre VVD injury is baffling and even the likes of MLG thought Reed had a disastrous window, hence the panic hire if Cacares. Some will shoot that down but the evidence on the pitch of a series of appalling errors is more than circumstantial and the club is clearly in some significant difficulties.

    The only solution has to be MP gone and Reed banished from first team business. He needs to focus on the academy - that is drier than a river bed in July 1976

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    We 'virtually' drew with City if you discount the ET cheating. We drew with Arsenal. We thrashed Everton at heir worst. We are STILL the top of the "hit woodwork" league.

    Personally I wouldn't throw the towel in just yet.

    Retrospectively we should have sold VVD. Maybe the club caved to fan pressure. What is VVD achieving for us this season?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saint Albert View Post
    That will not help his confidence, which must be fragile at this point.
    Then the manager should see this and withdraw him from the firing line.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ART View Post
    That was from 2014 and I'm sure he is exactly in a position to comment on anything around the current situation.

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    Very poor of the fans to boo Redmond. He's always been inconsistent and now seems to be lacking confidence when attacking, which he never used to. Pressure has made him worse.

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    Manager is clueless.
    We play passionless, pedestrian football that lacks intensity & defensively we are worse than anytime since we’ve been promoted.
    Rubbish.........

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    BTW - forgot to add to my comments earlier - Kane would not have broken Shearers record if Spurs were playing any other team than us today!!!!!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DT View Post
    No team worse in the league at present. Not one


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    Swansea are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nmp View Post
    BTW - forgot to add to my comments earlier - Kane would not have broken Shearers record if Spurs were playing any other team than us today!!!!!!!!!
    Rubbish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nmp View Post
    BTW - forgot to add to my comments earlier - Kane would not have broken Shearers record if Spurs were playing any other team than us today!!!!!!!!!
    Burnley?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Manuel View Post
    Very poor of the fans to boo Redmond. He's always been inconsistent and now seems to be lacking confidence when attacking, which he never used to. Pressure has made him worse.
    Bollo*** he's a typical I couldn't give a f*** about the team, he's paid massive money and just maybe if he knuckled down and got on with it fans would appreciate him more, all he does is moan like fu** to other players thinking he's never wrong, he's a typical brainless rich footballer with a huge ego......

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    Quote Originally Posted by hasper57saint View Post
    The body language of some of our 'players' told its own story.I also can't believe they scored from 'our' throw in in their half but they did.
    Why not? The number of times our own corner becomes a counter attack for our opponents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nmp View Post
    BTW - forgot to add to my comments earlier - Kane would not have broken Shearers record if Spurs were playing any other team than us today!!!!!!!!!
    Agreed, he hasn't really scored against anyone other than Saints in 2017.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ohio Saint View Post
    That phrase is now fully stuck in my mind "We are in relegation trouble"......It's just like the old days again.
    I find myself in the majority after a long time lonely and in the wilderness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hatch View Post
    Long can **** off and all.

    that's all I can add for now
    I am no Long fan, but all I keep reading is that fans can forgive players for lacking ability as long as they show the right attitude and work rate (finger being firmly pointed at Redmond), but that's ********. We want talented players that work hard.

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