WBA 2 Saints 3 - Post Match

Do rugby players respect each other when eye gouging? When stamping on heads? Are they good examples to set to kids?

I got far more injuries from foul play in rugby than in football and I played a lot more football.

Boufal showed respect by immediately apologising and applauding the fans. In return his name was sung. Respect.

Rather that stuff happen in what we all know is a physical sport, but WITH respect to officials and each other than the non stop diving, cheating, swearing at officials, spitting at each other, acting like babies, feigning injury to get players booked....shall I go on?

What a great counter argument that is.

The "rugby players are all wonderful gentlemen while footballers are all horrid" argument has been shown up to be total fu cking garbage time and again. Plenty of Rugby players, on all kinds of levels and throughout history have proven to be despicable cheating cu nts.

Also, there is barely any debate on the pitch in rugby matches about who kicks goals because typically there is a much clearer designation of the role. It's as clear and defined a role as a goalkeeper in football. So obviously rugby players (What heroes, what saints, what gentlemen) don't debate that on the pitch.

Rather that stuff happen in what we all know is a physical sport, but WITH respect to officials and each other than the non stop diving, cheating, swearing at officials, spitting at each other, acting like babies, feigning injury to get players booked....shall I go on?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/rugby-union/2017/12/28/rugby-now-full-cheating-underhand-tactics-threatening-engulf/

From that article....

We saw another example of that*last week when Worcester beat London Irish. Donncha O’Callaghan yanks on the hair of Saia Fainga’a, the London Irish hooker. Fainga’a gives him an open-handed slap to which O’Callaghan responds like he has been dropped by a Mike Tyson uppercut.*

A*few weeks before that, Remi Tales does the same thing*in the Champions Cup for Racing 92*after Ellis Genge makes slight contact with his throat. He rolls*around on the floor until the referee awarded a penalty and then springs up right as rain.

The amount of backchat towards referees has also gone through the roof. We have even seen*the start of players waving imaginary cards to the referee.

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What heroes, what gentlemen, what fine figures of men.

Not like those howwible howwible football people.

If you don't think any rugby players can be petulant then god help you.

 

The "rugby players are all wonderful gentlemen while footballers are all horrid" argument has been shown up to be total fu cking garbage time and again. Plenty of Rugby players, on all kinds of levels and throughout history have proven to be despicable cheating cu nts.

 

Also, there is barely any debate on the pitch in rugby matches about who kicks goals because typically there is a much clearer designation of the role. It's as clear and defined a role as a goalkeeper in football. So obviously rugby players (What heroes, what saints, what gentlemen) don't debate that on the pitch.

To be fair you gave one excellent example of cheating in the gane of rugby, and I'm sure you have many others from this weekend that you could share if you wanted to.

I don't think some rugby players aren't petulant, of course they are but in terms of a code of respect on the field the two games really can't be compared. What officials say goes, end of.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/rugby-union/2017/12/28/rugby-now-full-cheating-underhand-tactics-threatening-engulf/

 

From that article....

 

We saw another example of that*last week when Worcester beat London Irish. Donncha O’Callaghan yanks on the hair of Saia Fainga’a, the London Irish hooker. Fainga’a gives him an open-handed slap to which O’Callaghan responds like he has been dropped by a Mike Tyson uppercut.*

 

 

 

A*few weeks before that, Remi Tales does the same thing*in the Champions Cup for Racing 92*after Ellis Genge makes slight contact with his throat. He rolls*around on the floor until the referee awarded a penalty and then springs up right as rain.

 

 

The amount of backchat towards referees has also gone through the roof. We have even seen*the start of players waving imaginary cards to the referee.

 

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What heroes, what gentlemen, what fine figures of men.

 

Not like those howwible howwible football people.

You are indeed a force to be reckoned with. Hopefully you'll spend the rest of your evening finding other examples.

The fact is you're still wrong. God help you if you think otherwise.

I blame the manager for not picking lemina, for picking Davis, for not picking Austin early in the season, for sticking with Forster, for the overly defensive tactics. for not breaking the last 5 mins with subs against Watford. for playing tadic wide right.... amongst other things

Don't forget his magnum opus, regularly picking Redmond and playing him on the left.

All the times I’ve been to WBA and it’s been 1-0 or worse. Can’t believe I missed that yesterday!

In any other sport (especially rugby), Boufal's behaviour would never happen because of the discipline and respect to players and their roles. Can you imagine a squabble in a rugby international over who takes conversions/penalties etc?? I can't see how his behaviour shows any passion at all, it's just petulance and playground stuff. Sets no example to kids at all, but then football doesn't generally anyway. Good to see him be first over, but really shouldn't happen in the first place.

Yeah but Rugby is ****.

we do need players with a desire to get on the ball and make things happen. Boufal wants the ball, wants the free kicks, wants to get the goals, doesn't hide and when JWP scored was the first to run over and celebrate with JWP.

Precisely this. What was key was Boufal’s reaction to JWP scoring. When the foul was given Boufal grabbed the ball and immediately turned toward JWP to tell him he wanted to take it. I like that about him, he is not afraid to stick his neck in the line and is always trying to make things happen.

The irony of people on this forum accusing others of childish behaviour is just delicious.

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Do rugby players respect each other when eye gouging?

 

It always makes me laugh when I hear about how "sporting" rugby is. How many other sports require a specific rule forbidding players to gouge each others eyes out? :D

It always makes me laugh when I hear about how "sporting" rugby is. How many other sports require a specific rule forbidding players to gouge each others eyes out? :D

Chess.

In any other sport (especially rugby), Boufal's behaviour would never happen because of the discipline and respect to players and their roles. Can you imagine a squabble in a rugby international over who takes conversions/penalties etc?? I can't see how his behaviour shows any passion at all, it's just petulance and playground stuff. Sets no example to kids at all, but then football doesn't generally anyway. Good to see him be first over, but really shouldn't happen in the first place.

Not really a fair comparison.

The vast majority of rugby players show the ref and each other respect for safety reasons. They also have designated kickers, preventing such arguments.

Doesn't stop them trying to cheat or have a go at each other sometimes, though. But the physical competition is much greater so injuries are worse.

However, I think Boufal did show passion, wanting to take the kick and score a goal. No passion would've meant he sulked in the background instead.

I have no problem with his attitude on this occasion.

It always makes me laugh when I hear about how "sporting" rugby is. How many other sports require a specific rule forbidding players to gouge each others eyes out? :D

Boxing

Water polo

Wrestling?

Dominoes... probably.

Chess.

Weirdly, I'm inclined to believe you.

Was nice to see the desire from Boufal wanting a go at the free kick. Let a lot of us fans he was probably getting ****ed off with watching our “dead ball specialist” fluff his lines time after time.

Was nice to see the desire from Boufal wanting a go at the free kick. Let a lot of us fans he was probably getting ****ed off with watching our “dead ball specialist” fluff his lines time after time.

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Boxing

Water polo

Wrestling?

 

Dominoes... probably.

Tug of war

Tennis

Anyone else think Long deliberately fluffed his header because he has an affinity with WBA still? With all the time in the world, he deliberately ignored every training book by not heading into the ground and across goal. Or perhaps he’s just a very ordinary L1 striker?

Don't forget his magnum opus, regularly picking Redmond and playing him on the left.

Maybe want to look that up and try again

Anyone else think Long deliberately fluffed his header because he has an affinity with WBA still? With all the time in the world, he deliberately ignored every training book by not heading into the ground and across goal. Or perhaps he’s just a very ordinary L1 striker?

He’s such a good chap he has respect for all clubs so refuses to score against them.

He’s such a good chap he has respect for all clubs so refuses to score against them.

Love it!

Help here, please ...

Am I right in thinking that JWP's goal at WBA on Saturday was only his second direct from a free-kick? And the first Saints goal direct from a free-kick since JWP's previous score? (At home v WBA January 2016)

Many others have tried to score directly since SRL left but I think JWP is the only one to succeed (to name a few in no particular order - Aldewiereld, VvD, Yoshida, Tadic, Mane, Davis, Boufal, Bertrand).

Help here, please ...

 

Am I right in thinking that JWP's goal at WBA on Saturday was only his second direct from a free-kick? And the first Saints goal direct from a free-kick since JWP's previous score? (At home v WBA January 2016)

I think you could be right. And if memory serves, I believe he also scored a penalty in that game.

Help here, please ...

 

Am I right in thinking that JWP's goal at WBA on Saturday was only his second direct from a free-kick? And the first Saints goal direct from a free-kick since JWP's previous score? (At home v WBA January 2016)

 

Many others have tried to score directly since SRL left but I think JWP is the only one to succeed (to name a few in no particular order - Aldewiereld, VvD, Yoshida, Tadic, Mane, Davis, Boufal, Bertrand).

It'd be interesting to see how many shots from free kicks we've had in that time, and how many each have taken...

What a great counter argument that is.

He's merely pointing out that cheating and bad behaviour exists in all sports. He is not justifying it!

Anyone else think Long deliberately fluffed his header because he has an affinity with WBA still? With all the time in the world, he deliberately ignored every training book by not heading into the ground and across goal. Or perhaps he’s just a very ordinary L1 striker?

It's not only Long, only Austin heads the ball down, but then apart from Long he is the only player that wasn't part of somebody's academy.

It's not only Long, only Austin heads the ball down, but then apart from Long he is the only player that wasn't part of somebody's academy.

It’s not just headers. Most of our shots seem to be at a catchable height too. That’s usually caused by lifting the head at the moment of striking and not focusing on the ball.

Saints spoil WBA's party, Pelligrino still has a job as his cotton has just been upgraded to string, Crooks says Lemina is to good for Saints and should be playing for Arsenal ("what happened to Liverpool") I suppose we have that to look forward to after next w/end and JWP can lift the w/cup for England but maybe not this year so we have a lot to talk & cheer about this week, God I feel summer coming

Precisely this. What was key was Boufal’s reaction to JWP scoring. When the foul was given Boufal grabbed the ball and immediately turned toward JWP to tell him he wanted to take it. I like that about him, he is not afraid to stick his neck in the line and is always trying to make things happen.

 

The irony of people on this forum accusing others of childish behaviour is just delicious.

 

 

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That depends on who the person is doing the accusing - a forum wouldn't be a forum if we all agreed. I like both games equally, it just so happens that I feel quite strongly about certain aspects as i'm sure we all do.

The trouble with rugby is it can't seem to be played without the ref constantly shouting at the players telling them what to do all the time !!Also although the All Blacks are very good then have got away with bending the rules for years , there is a reason why they always get the ball at the breakdown !!

Anyone else think Long deliberately fluffed his header because he has an affinity with WBA still? With all the time in the world, he deliberately ignored every training book by not heading into the ground and across goal. Or perhaps he’s just a very ordinary L1 striker?

Were you there? Because from where I was it looked like he was busting a gut to get to the ball, but was having to lean back slightly and couldn't get over it.

You may not like some of the players but to accuse anybody of not trying yesterday is pure madness, I really do wonder about some of our fans sometimes.

He missed the header - he didn't mean to.

not strictly true about who kicks goals. Yes the kicker is predetermined for sure but its not a clear cut decision as to whether the kick is for touch or at the posts. Ultimately the captain makes the call and im sure other players would have their input.

With regards wonderful gents or despicable ****s then i agree its clearly debatable as there are plenty of "dark arts" things going on throughout the game that are against the rules.

one thing i personally think football could learn from rugby and help improve the game is the expectation within the junior game for both parents / an players alike to respect the officials and other players. I take that from my own experiences of kids playing both rugby and football.

Also any decent rugby ref at junior level will penalize a team for questioning a decision by moving a play back 10 mtrs. Harsh maybe but it stops abuse of refs.

Rugby and football are very different.

Tossers excepted, a bunch of people can have a decent game of footy without a ref.

You can't really play rugby without a ref. Rugby necessarily appeals to official intervention or it can't work.

That said, it always puzzles me why the professional football game tolerates dissent to the level it does. If referees booked everyone who shouted at them or the lino aggressively or shouted "**** off" every time a decision is given then that sort of behaviour would leave the professional game and there ought to be a trickle down of respect to youth / amateur level.

It's not only Long, only Austin heads the ball down, but then apart from Long he is the only player that wasn't part of somebody's academy.

Austin was at Reading until he was 15.

First match for a long, long time. What a match as well. Thought we were pretty comfortable for the majority of the game. Lemina undoubtedly the best player on the pitch but I thought pretty much all our players did very well. No one really had a poor game and it was obvious that we were very much up for the fight. Couldn't really see there 2nd goal but after watching the highlights, I think it was just a well worked goal from a wonderful cross from Dawson, not much anyone could do about that. Thought the support for us was excellent, even the 'Getting sacked in the morning' before we equalised was done more in jest than with any real venom. Felt like the fans were really behind the team. Carillo looked a handful and without an excellent Foster save or blocked cross, could've also got on the score sheet. Pleased to see Boufal show some passion, turn on the fans but then acknowledge that he was wrong with a wave and a smile and that the fans responded to that. Also good to see the players come over and give their shirts away, which Hoedt started.

Thought Long did very well when he came on but gets no support from the officials. There was one tackle he made by the touchline where he won the ball cleanly, turned away and was in towards goal when the ref blew for a foul against him. It was obvious that he won the ball fairly and it was a harsh decision. Obviously wouldn't have ended in a goal ;-) but it did put us back under a little pressure. As for the header, well, he should've at least got it on target.

Overall, one of the best Saints performances that I've had the pleasure of seeing live. A really entertaining match and a decent send off for big Cyrille. See you all in 2 weeks time to do it all again! :-)

As a season ticket holder at Gloucester Rugby I can confirm that there are idiots in both games. However the biggest difference relates to the attitude and respect for officials. Don't get me wrong, increasingly in the Premiership and Internationals dissent is becoming a problem but overall players have a good respect for the ref and touch judges. When it comes to football, the RESPECT campaign at local and sunday league level has had an impact - you definitely can't get away with swearing and screaming at the ref (even parents have to applaud everyone or no-one) but the whole thing is undermined by Professionals surrounding the ref and shouting obscenities etc. The recent VAR stuff was a good example - despite the officials giving the decision after referring to VAR, the players were still arguing.

Rugby, due to its complexity means that 'cheating' or bending the laws is part and parcel of the game. Also much of the play and flow of the game is based on how the referee views it. Take the England v Italy game yesterday, at nearly every ruck or phase of play a penalty could be called but the ref and the other officials make a conscious decision to let the game flow to encourage exciting and attacking rugby.

I enjoy watching both sports, although I could watch any football game over and above a rugby game (unless Gloucester or England are involved). There are certainly elements of Rugby that football could embrace, namely non-segregation of fans, allowing alcohol into the stadium, respect for the officials and opposition. Whereas Rugby needs to try harder to embrace the business side of things and I would love for rugby supporters to be as inventive as Football fans in terms of chants, songs and interaction with the game.

Rugby and football are very different.

 

Tossers excepted, a bunch of people can have a decent game of footy without a ref.

 

You can't really play rugby without a ref. Rugby necessarily appeals to official intervention or it can't work.

 

That said, it always puzzles me why the professional football game tolerates dissent to the level it does. If referees booked everyone who shouted at them or the lino aggressively or shouted "**** off" every time a decision is given then that sort of behaviour would leave the professional game and there ought to be a trickle down of respect to youth / amateur level.

And please don't get me started on parents. They think that abusing the ref is all part of the fun.

Agreed. When I was refereeing local Sunday games I had more trouble from some ex-professional than I ever did from 'normal' lads.

 

And please don't get me started on parents. They think that abusing the ref is all part of the fun.

A friend of mine was reffing a local game once and starting copping a load of flak from one of the parents - Steve Wigley. Apparently he was a right d1ckhead.

Oh, f*ck off! If he gave that pen, then he would have had to give the one on Long (which he damn well should have anyway).

 

Add in all the chances we missed, we absolutely bossed that game.

 

Just p*ss off and enjoy today, FFS.

I enjoyed this result. Hope we can enjoy today's because we need it.