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    Imagine if we stayed up with 34 points! Would be amazing.

    Just goes to show how many different combinations there are to go, even with 2 or 3 games left. I have been convinced 38 points is the magic number for a while now, but equally 34 to 37 points could well be enough.

    GD will more than likely come into play, in that respect we are currently one of the better teams down there.

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    We are still right up against it. Saturday's great win has given us a chance, but that's all it is at this stage. I think the talk that 2 or 3 points could be enough, whilst possible, is dangerous!

    We need to go into the next 2 games firmly aiming to win both, because somebody else is going to come up with an unexpected win or draw, they always do at the end of the season when desperation takes over.

    It would not surprise me at all if Huddersfield manage to beat Arsenal at home on the last day, which would give them 38 pts assuming they lose their other 2. Swansea have 3 winnable looking fixtures left, including Stoke at home so you would expect they should get at least 3 pts, bringing them up to at least 36.

    So I think we need to push for 6 points and if we get 4, it MAY just be enough. Realistically can't see us getting anything from City on last day so we have to get it done in the next 2.

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    The one thing that does seem to be likely is that, on the final day, anything up to six clubs could be still relegated to join West Brom. It has been many years since quite that many were involved. I seem to remember fairly early on in the Premier League years a Mark Stein Chelsea goal relegating Sheffield Utd who started the final day several places above the bottom three

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    Four points minimum might be enough, however there are likely to be a number of surprise results from unlikely candidates over the last 3 games. We need to focus purely on what we do...nothing we can do about the others and nothing is certain. Lose to Everton and I think it’s over IMHO.

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    Will be almost be more annoying if we do drop now as we will have clearly seen that had we got rid of Pellegrino sooner or not had one of the worst January windows ever for a relegation threatened side it could easily have been avoided. I had resigned myself to the fact we were 99% relegated after the Chelsea game.

    Hughes is a standard PL Manager but has made a huge difference to the attitude and energy of the team, but ultimately we don't win many games and still need to win one from two as a minimum (excluding the obvious defeat to City).

    IMO we deserve relegation, but have finally given ourselves a realistic eacape route provided we get something at Goodison.

    I still have zero faith in our centre backs though...

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    https://www.oddschecker.com/football...gue/relegation

    I think the Hammers at up to 14-1 for relegation is a surprisingly good punt. I don't expect them to go down but I'm not sure they deserve to be that high.

    Anyone fancy a cheeky 500-1 bet on Watford getting relegated?!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Super_Uwe View Post
    https://www.oddschecker.com/football...gue/relegation

    I think the Hammers at up to 14-1 for relegation is a surprisingly good punt. I don't expect them to go down but I'm not sure they deserve to be that high.

    Anyone fancy a cheeky 500-1 bet on Watford getting relegated?!
    I'd think that any side with the same number or more points than Huddersfield but with a better GD is a poor bet for relegation. Just can't see Huddersfield getting any more points and at -29 GD already, 35 points and better than say -32 might be enough.

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    TBF though, people were saying Brighton wouldn't get any more points and since that, they've got 2 draws vs Burnley away and Spurs.

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    I just cannot see using staying up

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    Quote Originally Posted by John B View Post
    I just cannot see using staying up

    My heart tells me the Bournemouth game was a turning point and we will do enough to scrape survival. My head tells me the Bournemouth game is just prolonging the inevitable...

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    Quote Originally Posted by doddisalegend View Post
    My heart tells me the Bournemouth game was a turning point and we will do enough to scrape survival. My head tells me the Bournemouth game is just prolonging the inevitable...
    I don't know any more. I'd think that if we can beat Swansea (I don't see us getting anything at Goodison) and just need a point at home on the last day, we'll get it, even against Citeh. There the World Cup effect might even do us a favour.

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    Saints being Saints, we'll get a point at Everton, get all excited, and blow it 2-1 at Swansea........

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    we're going to get a point at Everton and Swansea will lose to Bournemouth, Stoke lose to Palace.

    We will beat Swansea and that will be that, barring a very large swing in goal difference.

    We will enjoy the Man City game with the sun on our faces.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ooh it's a corner View Post
    we're going to get a point at Everton and Swansea will lose to Bournemouth, Stoke lose to Palace.

    We will beat Swansea and that will be that, barring a very large swing in goal difference.

    We will enjoy the Man City game with the sun on our faces.
    You are ****ing mad!!

    It will rain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ooh it's a corner View Post
    we're going to get a point at Everton and Swansea will lose to Bournemouth, Stoke lose to Palace.

    We will beat Swansea and that will be that, barring a very large swing in goal difference.

    We will enjoy the Man City game with the sun on our faces.
    Works for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ooh it's a corner View Post

    We will enjoy the Man City game with the sun on our faces.
    ... for about 10 minutes, then City start to massively swing our goal difference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aintforever View Post
    ... for about 10 minutes, then City start to massively swing our goal difference.
    That's why I think we should just beat Everton and Swansea then give city a spanking too for the hell of it !

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    Question West Ham: Andy Carroll sent home after row with manager David Moyes

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/43960000 - West Ham: Andy Carroll sent home after row with manager David Moyes

    I wonder how significant the falling out between Moyes and Carroll could be? They have already got a tough run-in - could losing him make it even tougher? If they lose every game they become another team that we could pass with only three more points.

    On the other hand, these sorts of things can sometimes help nuture a siege mentality in a football club, which could help them secure a couple more points and with it keep them in the Premier League.

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    Big game tonight! An Arsenal win not good news.

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    1-0 down at the moment.
    Far from over of course.

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    Bloody hell they’re playing well, deserve something


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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Duckhunter View Post
    Bloody hell they’re playing well, deserve something


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    Why?

    They’ve created next to nothing.

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    Hard luck Arsenal.
    Now make Wenger proud in his last PL games.

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    Arsenal will lose at Huddersfield 100%

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    Monreal must have been watching Cedric’s crossing, he must have got in down the side 3 or 4 times and delivered a poor cross. Mind you Godín is some defender.


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    Quote Originally Posted by JRM View Post
    Arsenal will lose at Huddersfield 100%
    I think they will put in a shift for him.

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    Good news, but Arsenal's away record is shocking. Huddersfield are really poor though, so Arsenal should beat them really.

    Anyhow, let's hope we get the wins required to not have to worry about that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sergei Gotsmanov View Post
    I think they will put in a shift for him.
    And now there's no reason for him to not field his strongest possible 11, in stark contrast if they were to have a Europa cup final 3 days later.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Duckhunter View Post
    Monreal must have been watching Cedric’s crossing, he must have got in down the side 3 or 4 times and delivered a poor cross. Mind you Godín is some defender.


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    That was some defensive display by Atletico last night. Godin, as you say was imperious. The organisation and sheer will to defend was so impressive and will probably see them lift the cup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Munster View Post
    And now there's no reason for him to not field his strongest possible 11, in stark contrast if they were to have a Europa cup final 3 days later.
    He's going to want to go out on a bit of a high note.

    So, cue a Hudds win. I'm honestly not expecting any favours from the sides we need them from, it's not that kind of season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scotty View Post
    He's going to want to go out on a bit of a high note.

    So, cue a Hudds win. I'm honestly not expecting any favours from the sides we need them from, it's not that kind of season.
    High note ? Perhaps but he's certainly going to want to go out without leaving a team that would have to go through the qualifying rounds of the Europa. If they beat Burnley the pressure would be less for the other games but if they don't I think they'd have to win both of the others to ensure that they finish 6th.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scotty View Post
    He's going to want to go out on a bit of a high note.

    So, cue a Hudds win. I'm honestly not expecting any favours from the sides we need them from, it's not that kind of season.
    We would have been down weeks ago if not for the crapness of the other teams at the bottom. If you'd have offered me our current position in the dark days of Pellegrino's reign in March I'd have bitten your hand off. It's because of the crapness of the other teams that we are still in with a shot, and so let's hope they continue to be crap and we can take advantage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SNSUN View Post
    We would have been down weeks ago if not for the crapness of the other teams at the bottom. If you'd have offered me our current position in the dark days of Pellegrino's reign in March I'd have bitten your hand off. It's because of the crapness of the other teams that we are still in with a shot, and so let's hope they continue to be crap and we can take advantage.
    And they aren't already down either, because of our crapness. Etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scotty View Post
    And they aren't already down either, because of our crapness. Etc.
    The basic difference being that, in the main, the others are poor sides with substandard players for the PL. We should be doing better but aren't. We should not be below Huddersfield or Bournemouth but we are. We have underperformed all season, before Pellegrino was sacked and after. We may still escape relegation but only on goal difference as likely as not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SNSUN View Post
    We would have been down weeks ago if not for the crapness of the other teams at the bottom. If you'd have offered me our current position in the dark days of Pellegrino's reign in March I'd have bitten your hand off. It's because of the crapness of the other teams that we are still in with a shot, and so let's hope they continue to be crap and we can take advantage.
    We weren't in the bottom 3 and we were still in th FA Cup when Pellegrino was sacked. That's the position, I'd prefer now: above the relegation zone. I'm not saying Pellegrino ws a good manager but I'd certainly prefer the position we were in then.

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    Stoke and WBA HAVE to win at the weekend. WBA could still win and be relegated (if we win at Everton).

    Personally I think 4 points will be enough, but we want to get the three on the board straight away. The Swansea game is almost a free hit for them because they have the back up of the final day v Stoke.

    Looking at the fixtures, form etc I think it is between us and Huddersfield. Whoever gets a result on the last day will stay up. Hopefully we will have done the job by then anyway and have 6/6 from the next two - but we all know it doesn't quite work like that.

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    How bad are man u tonight? Just our luck


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    Quote Originally Posted by DT View Post
    How bad are man u tonight? Just our luck


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    Awful, but Brighton won't go down. Still good to keep them in the discussion for relegation though, as the more teams still not completely safe the better to keep the element of doubt about.

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    And to think, it wasn't that long ago they won at the Etihad. Odd team United are, but it looks like they'll still finish 2nd even though Liverpool have probably played better than them.

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    Man Utd. A bang average side that somehow finish 2nd in the league.

    Am I right in thinking we are the only side in the bottom half of the table that hasn't beaten a top 6 side for 2 seasons? (Spurs away 2016)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nordic Saint View Post
    We weren't in the bottom 3 and we were still in th FA Cup when Pellegrino was sacked. That's the position, I'd prefer now: above the relegation zone. I'm not saying Pellegrino ws a good manager but I'd certainly prefer the position we were in then.
    We were a point above the bottom 3 mate. What exactly are you saying? We should have stuck with MP?

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    I think I said similar in another post that the top teams have done us nothing against the s**t and tonight was a direct result of the top 4 being so uncompetitive.

    Can you imagine Man U playing like that if they'd only been a point behind Man City?

    Fair play to Brighton I guess - they're one of the worst teams I've seen this season. But they did it when it mattered.

    Like most of the other dross down there - they annoy me with wins over Arsenal and Man U - but when you actually want them to beat Huddesfield, the lad does a suicidal backpass to gift them a point...

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    Brighton are a well run club and a good example of a decent manager getting a team out of a group of not very special players. They went for it. So got results, almost all season. Sadly they’re way above us in most respects, not least in spirit


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    Quote Originally Posted by DT View Post
    Brighton are a well run club and a good example of a decent manager getting a team out of a group of not very special players. They went for it. So got results, almost all season. Sadly they’re way above us in most respects, not least in spirit


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    Like most of our rivals, they've got better players than we have in key positions: Lewis Dunk is better than any of our central defenders, Pascal Groß creates more goals than any of our midfielders and Glenn Murray scores more goals than any of our strikers. Considering all the money we have splashed out on players like Hoedt, Boufal and Carrillo, it shows just how damaging our poor recruitment has been in the last couple of years when the teams around us have bought much better players for less.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nordic Saint View Post
    Like most of our rivals, they've got better players than we have in key positions: Lewis Dunk is better than any of our central defenders, Pascal Groß creates more goals than any of our midfielders and Glenn Murray scores more goals than any of our strikers. Considering all the money we have splashed out on players like Hoedt, Boufal and Carrillo, it shows just how damaging our poor recruitment has been in the last couple of years when the teams around us have bought much better players for less.
    Complete and Utter Tosh!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charlie Wayman View Post
    Complete and Utter Tosh!
    Not really. Would prefer Dunk, and Duffy for that matter, than any of our CB's. Murray would be a useful option and would much rather have him than that fella we bought for £19m who doesn't score goals, and lately doesn't even make it onto the bench.

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    Stoke, Swansea and West Ham treble is just under 30/1. Value

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    Quote Originally Posted by whelk View Post
    Stoke, Swansea and West Ham treble is just under 30/1. Value
    But wouldn't any relegation bet without West Brom in it just be a gift to the bookies? West Brom can't catch West Ham so there is no sense in pretending otherwise, even by the crookies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Window Cleaner View Post
    But wouldn't any relegation bet without West Brom in it just be a gift to the bookies? West Brom can't catch West Ham so there is no sense in pretending otherwise, even by the crookies.
    By treble I meant win their respective games today against Palace, Bournemouth and Leicester.

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    Quote Originally Posted by whelk View Post
    By treble I meant win their respective games today against Palace, Bournemouth and Leicester.
    Oh right, silly me, relegation fixation has set in....

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