Telegraph: Saints players are complacent, arrogant and disinterested.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2018/03/11/southamptons-players-looked-complacent-arrogant-disinterested/

So it's not just the fans on here that think this then. The national press say our players are a disgrace.

Not even going to read it

The telegraph...so bound to be the "club" defending it's corner so to speak

Not even going to read it

The telegraph...so bound to be the "club" defending it's corner so to speak

There is a clue in the op. It is not defending the club.

Not even going to read it

The telegraph...so bound to be the "club" defending it's corner so to speak

Don't think Luke Edwards (the journo in question) is on the payroll, unlike Sam Wallace and Jeremy Wilson.

There is a clue in the op. It is not defending the club.

Where did I say the article is defending the club?

IT has been so obvious for weeks. IMO the day I accepted we were finished was when we lost to Palace at home, the body language after the game said to me we were finished.

The behaviours since then have been astounding with players coming out saying "we are too good to go down." When clearly we are rubbish. 5 wins all season and you are not worried? 5 wins all season and you think you have earned a pay cheque?

TBH there are only a handful of players I even like at our club now. Most of them, I could not give a **** if they were sold, they appear to have no affinity with the club or the fans. They have no self respect even to put in a shift on the pitch.

Absolutely, collectively, the worst group of people ever to grace Southampton shirts IMO. (Led badly, granted, and not bad players but the telegraph have it right..I honestly believe they could not care less if we go down.)

Not even going to read it

The telegraph...so bound to be the "club" defending it's corner so to speak

Pulled no punches whatsoever. Damning.

This article also summed up the ex-manager and I wish the ex-Vice Chair as well. Get Silva in, double training sessions, running, running, more running. They might not like him for it and be puking their guts around Staplewood but to be vaguely fit professional athletes will do them good.

Would like to see some reality from the club and new manager for the remaining games as for me, even at Wigan, we are big underdogs. Let's fight like underdogs do and cause a few upsets. The only players for me this season who have played at PL standard are McCarthy, Austin and Lemina. Would question if the rest have the quality or bottle to be top flight players any longer.

I thought the Telegraph was supposed to be a quality paper. I think they probably mean "uninterested".

Not even going to read it

The telegraph...so bound to be the "club" defending it's corner so to speak

Maybe you should read it then its pretty spot on...

This article also summed up the ex-manager and I wish the ex-Vice Chair as well. Get Silva in, double training sessions, running, running, more running. They might not like him for it and be puking their guts around Staplewood but to be vaguely fit professional athletes will do them good.

 

Would like to see some reality from the club and new manager for the remaining games as for me, even at Wigan, we are big underdogs. Let's fight like underdogs do and cause a few upsets. The only players for me this season who have played at PL standard are McCarthy, Austin and Lemina. Would question if the rest have the quality or bottle to be top flight players any longer.

I'd make a case for a few but generally take the point. Think Stephens has done okay all things considered and has at least shown some bottle - even if he would benefit from being part of a more assured backline.

Sims has shown enough in cameos to make me think he could give something too.

As I've said before, this is the most unlikable set of players I think we've ever had.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2018/03/11/southamptons-players-looked-complacent-arrogant-disinterested/

 

So it's not just the fans on here that think this then. The national press say our players are a disgrace.

Reading that, Mark Hughes is exactly what we need right now

Reading that, Mark Hughes is exactly what we need right now

Yep.

Where did I say the article is defending the club?

Go back and read what you wrote. You said you would not read it because as it was in the Telegraph "so bound to be the 'club' defending its corner."

It isnt at all. But even if it was, perhaps reading something that challenges your built in prejudices occasionally wouldn't hurt?

Don't doubt that some of the players already have moves agreed for the summer................

Go back and read what you wrote. You said you would not read it because as it was in the Telegraph "so bound to be the 'club' defending its corner."

It isnt at all. But even if it was, perhaps reading something that challenges your built in prejudices occasionally wouldn't hurt?

I thought the Telegraph was supposed to be a quality paper. I think they probably mean "uninterested".

Not so: disinterested and uninterested have a fluid history (https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/disinterested).

Note the last paragraph: "Still, use of the "not interested" and "no longer interested" senses of disinterested will incur the disapproval of some who may not fully appreciate the history of this word or the subtleties of its present use.". I suspect most on here are uninterested in that history though

Not so: disinterested and uninterested have a fluid history (https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/disinterested).

 

Note the last paragraph: "Still, use of the "not interested" and "no longer interested" senses of disinterested will incur the disapproval of some who may not fully appreciate the history of this word or the subtleties of its present use.". I suspect most on here are uninterested in that history though

That's "interesting" ! Thanks for this. The OED also indicates that both are used more interchangeably than I thought : "Nowhere are the battle lines more deeply drawn in usage questions than over the difference between disinterested and uninterested. According to traditional guidelines, disinterested should never be used to mean ‘not interested’ (i.e. it is not a synonym for uninterested) but only to mean ‘impartial’, as in the judgements of disinterested outsiders are likely to be more useful. Ironically, the earliest recorded sense of disinterested is for the disputed sense. Today, the ‘incorrect’ use of disinterested is widespread: around a quarter of citations in the Oxford English Corpus for disinterested are for this sense". I would take it up with my English teacher but I suspect he's probably no longer with us.

Anyway, Mark Hughes now odds on with Betfair.