Rivers of Blood, and censorship.

"clearly" in your head I do. As I said though feel free to think what you like. You're entirely wrong but if you want to keep banging your head against the racist tree then go ahead.

Convictions for violence are convictions for violence and you conveniently ignore his convictions for violence at football matches. No one said he goes round beating up grannies. How many ordinary working class lads as you call them give themselves double barrelled names are start right wing groups such as the English Defence League? I dont like because of his beliefs and his actions - nothing to do with being any kind of "class." Just how far right do you have to be before you become a proper Islamaphobe or racist? I dont agree with you that Yaxley-Lennon echoes the thoughts of a majority of "ordinary European citizens" and it is quite obvious that you are in a minority according to the polls. It is odd how supporters of extreme views kid themselves that they are in the majority when groups like the BNP and the EDL are clearly fringe groups and are supported by the few remaining Neanderthals. Plenty of people have criticised the more unsavoury aspects of that religion without breaking the law or using violence. You and hypo both clearly support this bloke but try and pretend that you aren't as bad as he is by saying that you dont agree with a lot of what he has done. It doesnt work like that. As soon as you voice any kind of support for people like this you are saying it is ok. It is not ok. There is no acceptable face of racism or hatred of people who are different. I will give you a clue - ENGLISH Defence League.

I honestly really couldn't give a toss if he scrapped at football when he was a youngster, just like I don't give a toss if he lended his brother in law money for a deposit. And the borrowing a passport thing..well he did 22 weeks in solitary confinement for that, he did his time.

And I'm not trying to 'pretend' anything, I'm just not totally tunnel visioned like you. I can see it's not black and white. Yes he's no angel, I didn't 'like' what he did with the EDL, or plenty of things he's said, but he isn't some neo-nazi white supremisist either. And you can't see that the 'creation' of Robinson was merely a symptom of the horrific failures of the political elites. I respect the balls he's had to speak out, again you couldn't care less how many attempts he's had on his life (you probably think he 'has it coming'), and of course you'd never so much as question why someone who is critical of a religious doctrine, faces that level of threat in 21st century Britain.

And I hate to burst your bubble old boy, but his criticism of Islam and the affect it's having on Europe is not 'fringe' or 'far right'. All the polling shows they're widely held opinions now by native Europeans across the continent. Just look at the big one Chatham House did recently https://www.chathamhouse.org/expert/comment/what-do-europeans-think-about-muslim-immigration.

And I hate to burst your bubble old boy, but his criticism of Islam and the affect it's having on Europe is not 'fringe' or 'far right'. All the polling shows they're widely held opinions now by native Europeans across the continent. Just look at the big one Chatham House did recently https://www.chathamhouse.org/expert/comment/what-do-europeans-think-about-muslim-immigration.

Nope. Yaxley-Lennon is firmly of the far (aka neo-Nazi) right. He believes that intolerance, hatred of women and violence are scripturally stitched in. Therefore the horrors practised by a small minority - FGM, domestic violence, jihadist terror, sectarianism - are inherent in all Muslims. That's why he tweets on Muslim transgressions to the exclusion of non-Muslims. That's why, for example, he couldn't get down to the Natural History Museum fast enough to do grotesque selfies on Youtube, turning a simple road accident into a 'jihadi terror attack'.

Think of it like this. Swap the word 'Muslim' out for the word 'Jew'. If the worst atrocities committed by ultra-orthodox Jews were generalised, supposedly to be features of all Jews, what does that remind you of? Ultra-orthodox attacks on gay rights, gender segregation, weird schools? That'll be those damned Jews undermining our civilisation.

Thats why Yaxley-Lennon is a neo-Nazi.

"clearly" in your head I do. As I said though feel free to think what you like. You're entirely wrong but if you want to keep banging your head against the racist tree then go ahead.

But according to you though they don’t exist on here? Despite the obvious support from some for that clear racist Stephen Yaxley-Lennon. And let’s not forget that “socialism is dangerous” eh?

But according to you though they don’t exist on here? Despite the obvious support from some for that clear racist Stephen Yaxley-Lennon. And let’s not forget that “socialism is dangerous” eh?

Do you consider every individual who has expressed any sort of understanding or support for anything that Tommy Robinson has said or done to be a racist? As I said before - and you ignored it- will you be condemning the racists bigots on good morning Britain or the Oxford Union, both of who believed he had at least some ideas that were worthy of discussion?

In your black and white world, any belief that any of Tommy Robinson's feelings of frustration may have an iota of credibility means that you are an evil racist nazi sympathiser. Thankfully I don't live in such a bigoted reality and am able to look at someone's words and dismiss points I disagree with and acknowledge where there are points of agreement.

I'm perfectly comfortable to say that I've listened to some of what Tommy Robinson has said and I've found a few areas of common ground where I believe he has some valid points that should be aired and debated in public. I don't necessarily believe he is the man to do that since he is quite a divisive figure. In your blinkered world view that makes me a bigot and a nazi but I'm happy for you to believe that since the truth is that I'd prefer to listen to people from the far left and the far right and make my own mind up rather than putting my fingers in my ears and screaming nazi like you do.

In summary: do I think Tommy Robinson has a violent criminal past and has he committed acts which should be condemned? Yes.

Does this mean I condemn his every act and utterance and dismiss out of hand everything he ever says or ever will say as well as labelling him a nazi? No.

Is he likely to do things in the future which are either illegal or which are worthy of criticism? Yes.

Does that mean any points he has ever raised should be dismissed without any sort of airing simply because of who he is? No.

Does my refusal to dismiss everything he has ever said or done make me a nazi or a "nazi sympathiser?" only to close minded simpletons like soggy.

Nope. Yaxley-Lennon is firmly of the far (aka neo-Nazi) right. He believes that intolerance, hatred of women and violence are scripturally stitched in. Therefore the horrors practised by a small minority - FGM, domestic violence, jihadist terror, sectarianism - are inherent in all Muslims. That's why he tweets on Muslim transgressions to the exclusion of non-Muslims. That's why, for example, he couldn't get down to the Natural History Museum fast enough to do grotesque selfies on Youtube, turning a simple road accident into a 'jihadi terror attack'.

 

Think of it like this. Swap the word 'Muslim' out for the word 'Jew'. If the worst atrocities committed by ultra-orthodox Jews were generalised, supposedly to be features of all Jews, what does that remind you of? Ultra-orthodox attacks on gay rights, gender segregation, weird schools? That'll be those damned Jews undermining our civilisation.

 

Thats why Yaxley-Lennon is a neo-Nazi.

You'd be in for a shock then if you met an actual neo-nazi You know, C18, National Action, NF- actual white supremacist groups that base their belief system on ethnicity, which Robinson has never done. Unless you can point to me where he has, or what he's said that makes him a neo-nazi? Your argument seems to be that he is because he makes generalisations and is critical of the Koran/Islam.

If you're baffled why Orthodox Jews aren't facing similar levels of press, firstly show me where these 'Jewish grooming gangs' are operating, or the 20,000 Jews on a terror watch list? It's a ridiculous comparison. But also Jews make up a tiny proportion of Europe. Muslims on the other hand are demographically transforming Europe, Western Europe is going to look a vastly different place in two generations time. It's therefore perfectly understandable why there's more debate surrounding the impact this is having/going to have on our customs and society, than there is of Orthodox Jews.

And again like I said to sadoldgit, the awkward thing for people like you is, all the polling shows a majority of native European citizens share the same fear/reservation about the impact Islam is having on Europe, as the 'neo-nazi' Robinson. Particularly on the continent. But by all means continue to comfort yourself that what he says is fringe and neo-nazi.

You'd be in for a shock then if you met an actual neo-nazi You know, C18, National Action, NF- actual white supremacist groups that base their belief system on ethnicity, which Robinson has never done. Unless you can point to me where he has, or what he's said that makes him a neo-nazi? Your argument seems to be that he is because he makes generalisations and is critical of the Koran/Islam.

 

If you're baffled why Orthodox Jews aren't facing similar levels of press, firstly show me where these 'Jewish grooming gangs' are operating, or the 20,000 Jews on a terror watch list? It's a ridiculous comparison. But also Jews make up a tiny proportion of Europe. Muslims on the other hand are demographically transforming Europe, Western Europe is going to look a vastly different place in two generations time. It's therefore perfectly understandable why there's more debate surrounding the impact this is having/going to have on our customs and society, than there is of Orthodox Jews.

 

And again like I said to sadoldgit, the awkward thing for people like you is, all the polling shows a majority of native European citizens share the same fear/reservation about the impact Islam is having on Europe, as the 'neo-nazi' Robinson. Particularly on the continent. But by all means continue to comfort yourself that what he says is fringe and neo-nazi.

Before we go any further with this argument, WT actual F is a 'native European citizen'?

You'd be in for a shock then if you met an actual neo-nazi You know, C18, National Action, NF- actual white supremacist groups that base their belief system on ethnicity, which Robinson has never done. Unless you can point to me where he has, or what he's said that makes him a neo-nazi? Your argument seems to be that he is because he makes generalisations and is critical of the Koran/Islam.

 

If you're baffled why Orthodox Jews aren't facing similar levels of press, firstly show me where these 'Jewish grooming gangs' are operating, or the 20,000 Jews on a terror watch list? It's a ridiculous comparison. But also Jews make up a tiny proportion of Europe. Muslims on the other hand are demographically transforming Europe, Western Europe is going to look a vastly different place in two generations time. It's therefore perfectly understandable why there's more debate surrounding the impact this is having/going to have on our customs and society, than there is of Orthodox Jews.

 

And again like I said to sadoldgit, the awkward thing for people like you is, all the polling shows a majority of native European citizens share the same fear/reservation about the impact Islam is having on Europe, as the 'neo-nazi' Robinson. Particularly on the continent. But by all means continue to comfort yourself that what he says is fringe and neo-nazi.

Jewish grooming gangs? So are we to assume that these are not grooming gangs but Muslim grooming gangs? This would make their actions somehow linked to the religion would it not? I am sure you can tell us where in the Koran it says that men shall group together for the purpose of grooming and having sex with young girls.

As for Yaxley-Lennon and his politics and the attempts by some on here to water them down. Anyone who wants to exclude people from this country on the basis of their religion or ethnicity and anyone who seeks to stop them building places of worship for their own religious beliefs is clearly pretty far along the right wing spectrum. Anyone who sets up something called the English Defence League is pretty far along the right wing spectrum. I dont know whether he is a Nazi, a neo Nazi or just another rabid far right agitator, but it is very plain to anyone that the bloke is extreme in his views.

As for the use of the phrase, "Native European citizens", I think you have just given yourself away mate. When you say "people like you" I assume you mean people who are anti White Supremacists?

Even other Muslims have conceded that these Pakistani Muslim rapists are using their interpretation of Islam- an interpretation supported by a huge number- for their actions. Presumably you know more about Islam than a Muslim or the survivors of these horrendous ordeals? Of course you do.

"They made it clear that because I was a non-Muslim, and not a virgin, and because I didn’t dress “modestly”, that they believed I deserved to be “punished”. They said I had to “obey” or be beaten."

"White girls and non-Muslim girls are bad because you dress like slags. You show the curves of your bodies (showing the gap between your thighs means you’re asking for it) and therefore you’re immoral. White girls sleep with hundreds of men. You are the*other*girls. You are worthless and you deserve to be gang-raped.”

But yes absolutely nothing to do with Islam at all.

You'd be in for a shock then if you met an actual neo-nazi You know, C18, National Action, NF- actual white supremacist groups that base their belief system on ethnicity, which Robinson has never done. Unless you can point to me where he has, or what he's said that makes him a neo-nazi? Your argument seems to be that he is because he makes generalisations and is critical of the Koran/Islam.

 

If you're baffled why Orthodox Jews aren't facing similar levels of press, firstly show me where these 'Jewish grooming gangs' are operating, or the 20,000 Jews on a terror watch list? It's a ridiculous comparison. But also Jews make up a tiny proportion of Europe. Muslims on the other hand are demographically transforming Europe, Western Europe is going to look a vastly different place in two generations time. It's therefore perfectly understandable why there's more debate surrounding the impact this is having/going to have on our customs and society, than there is of Orthodox Jews.

 

And again like I said to sadoldgit, the awkward thing for people like you is, all the polling shows a majority of native European citizens share the same fear/reservation about the impact Islam is having on Europe, as the 'neo-nazi' Robinson. Particularly on the continent. But by all means continue to comfort yourself that what he says is fringe and neo-nazi.

You're still going out of your way to paint him in the best light possible aren't you. What he does is not just criticise the Koran/Islam. It goes waaaaaay beyond that. Plenty of people are capable of criticising religions without attracting the kind of negative attention that Robinson does. People like Richard Dawkins, for instance, somehow manage to produce reasoned, coherent arguments against religious ideology without being accused of neo-nazism. I wonder why that is?

What Robinson is trying to achieve is not simply criticising the religion. He wants the description of the word 'Muslim' to extend to cover everybody who has brown skin and has a middle-eastern sounding name. The problem is that, just as there are still large numbers of people in the UK who still identify as Christian despite never actually going to church, there is a significant proportion of people who identify as Muslim, but don't actually believe and never go to a mosque except for special occasions to appease the more devout members of their family.

The vast majority of these people have absolutely nothing in common with the kind of extremists who might decide to blow themselves up for their cause. And neither do they identify or associate with people who think their 'religion' gives them the right to rape young girls. Those people are just c*nts - and every culture or ethnic group has its fair share of c*nts. The rest are just ordinary people like you and me, trying to make a living for themselves and a better life for their families.

But Robinson and his ilk don't give a sh*t about that. All they are interested in is generating a feeling of hostility and intolerance towards all of them. They jump on any negative stories about people called Mohammed doing evil things as 'evidence' that all Muslims are bad people and should all be cast out of our society. The fear and reservation about Islam in Europe that you refer to is largely due to the kind of ignorance and intolerance that vocal bigots like Robinson continuously spout.

Even other Muslims have conceded that these Pakistani Muslim rapists are using their interpretation of Islam- an interpretation supported by a huge number- for their actions. Presumably you know more about Islam than a Muslim or the survivors of these horrendous ordeals? Of course you do.

 

"They made it clear that because I was a non-Muslim, and not a virgin, and because I didn’t dress “modestly”, that they believed I deserved to be “punished”. They said I had to “obey” or be beaten."

 

"White girls and non-Muslim girls are bad because you dress like slags. You show the curves of your bodies (showing the gap between your thighs means you’re asking for it) and therefore you’re immoral. White girls sleep with hundreds of men. You are the*other*girls. You are worthless and you deserve to be gang-raped.”

 

But yes absolutely nothing to do with Islam at all.

So a group of c*nts commit an evil act, and claim that their holy book gave them the right to do it. So f*cking what? I could go out tomorrow and mow down a load of people in my car and claim that the flying spaghetti monster commanded me to do it - doesn't make it true. If you look hard enough in any holy book you will find sections which *could* be interpreted in such a way as to justify being a c*nt to other human beings.

None of this has any relevance or connection to the vast majority of people who identify as Muslim. I could point to the actions of the guy who killed Jo Cox and the guy who drove into some people outside a mosque as 'evidence' that all middle-aged white men are racist w*nkers. But that would be blatantly absurd. Just as painting the entirety of Islam as being to blame for the actions of a very small minority of c*nts is equally absurd.

This is my problem with Robinson, Golding etc... They don't just want to criticise the religion, they want to portray all brown people as evil. They are essentially hate preachers - no better than the likes of Whatsisname Choudry with their message of bigotry and intolerance.

No luck with his job application......

http://newsthump.com/2018/06/07/tommy-robinson-told-hes-too-left-wing-to-become-daily-mail-editor/

So a group of c*nts commit an evil act, and claim that their holy book gave them the right to do it. So f*cking what? I could go out tomorrow and mow down a load of people in my car and claim that the flying spaghetti monster commanded me to do it - doesn't make it true. If you look hard enough in any holy book you will find sections which *could* be interpreted in such a way as to justify being a c*nt to other human beings.

 

None of this has any relevance or connection to the vast majority of people who identify as Muslim. I could point to the actions of the guy who killed Jo Cox and the guy who drove into some people outside a mosque as 'evidence' that all middle-aged white men are racist w*nkers. But that would be blatantly absurd. Just as painting the entirety of Islam as being to blame for the actions of a very small minority of c*nts is equally absurd.

 

This is my problem with Robinson, Golding etc... They don't just want to criticise the religion, they want to portray all brown people as evil. They are essentially hate preachers - no better than the likes of Whatsisname Choudry with their message of bigotry and intolerance.

Portraying all brown people as evil? Blatantly absurd.

Suggesting that all of Islam or all those who practice it are evil or bigoted? Also absurd.

Suggesting that any of the actions of these men are not anything to do with Islam in any way whatsoever? Also absurd in my opinion and the opinion of other Muslims.

The problem that is difficult for some to acknowledge is that treating kafir differently or negatively is a legitimate reading of the scripture. Who decides that it's not real Islam when it literally says it in the qaran and certain regressive views and actions can be justified by the scriptures. It's certainly a minority who feel justified in treating non Muslim women like trash, but is it a minority in the Middle East who subscribe to Shariah that treats women like second class citizens? Or who treats homosexuals like animals? It's the exact same for fundamentalist readings of other faiths by the way, the difference is that most other faiths have reformed and become more tolerant. Its why I support those who call for an Islamic reformation but look at the death threats and abuse that these brave Muslims get from other Muslims for speaking out.

Portraying all brown people as evil? Blatantly absurd.

 

Suggesting that all of Islam or all those who practice it are evil or bigoted? Also absurd.

 

Suggesting that any of the actions of these men are not anything to do with Islam in any way whatsoever? Also absurd in my opinion and the opinion of other Muslims.

 

The problem that is difficult for some to acknowledge is that treating kafir differently or negatively is a legitimate reading of the scripture. Who decides that it's not real Islam when it literally says it in the qaran and certain regressive views and actions can be justified by the scriptures. It's certainly a minority who feel justified in treating non Muslim women like trash, but is it a minority in the Middle East who subscribe to Shariah that treats women like second class citizens? Or who treats homosexuals like animals? It's the exact same for fundamentalist readings of other faiths by the way, the difference is that most other faiths have reformed and become more tolerant. Its why I support those who call for an Islamic reformation but look at the death threats and abuse that these brave Muslims get from other Muslims for speaking out.

I have no problem accepting that treating those of different faith as infidels is part of the scripture. I get that - it's the whole point of all the ancient religious texts. The Old Testament is no different: We're right - they're wrong, so go and kill them all knowing God is on your side. It's obviously ********, but it's not exclusive to Islam. Look at how many in Israel use this fictitious nonsense as justification to treat the Palestinians as sub-human - it's exactly the same mindset.

It is also prevalent closer to home. Look in the comments section of any facebook/twitter posts by the likes of Britain First and you will see the blind hatred displayed openly by people who see other cultures as sub-human. Seriously - the kind of stuff that gets posted on those places is truly shocking - many people think it is perfectly OK to openly call for the mass slaughter/gassing etc... of immigrants and refugees.

And whether you want to accept it or not, that is EXACTLY the kind of demographic that the likes of Robinson rely on and appeal to for support.

I have no problem accepting that treating those of different faith as infidels is part of the scripture. I get that - it's the whole point of all the ancient religious texts. The Old Testament is no different: We're right - they're wrong, so go and kill them all knowing God is on your side. It's obviously ********, but it's not exclusive to Islam. Look at how many in Israel use this fictitious nonsense as justification to treat the Palestinians as sub-human - it's exactly the same mindset.

 

It is also prevalent closer to home. Look in the comments section of any facebook/twitter posts by the likes of Britain First and you will see the blind hatred displayed openly by people who see other cultures as sub-human. Seriously - the kind of stuff that gets posted on those places is truly shocking - many people think it is perfectly OK to openly call for the mass slaughter/gassing etc... of immigrants and refugees.

 

And whether you want to accept it or not, that is EXACTLY the kind of demographic that the likes of Robinson rely on and appeal to for support.

Serious question, do you see no distinction between Islamic fundamentalism in 2018 and the terror attacks carried out by these groups and fundamentalists from other religions?

And in case there is any doubt, of course anyone calling for mass extermination of Muslims is totally wrong. Many organisations attract racist elements including I assume the majority of Britain First- though I don't really know much about them. Anyone discriminating or insulting someone based purely on the colour of their skin or the religion they practice is completely wrong and should be challenged on those views (I would have thought this was obvious stuff though but seemingly it needs saying.) if you have some examples of Tommy Robinson insulting or assaulting someone purely because they are a Muslim then of course that should be condemned too. I haven't seen him do that but then I haven't watched everything he's done, just a few interviews and talks so maybe he has done that.

I am sure you can tell us where in the Koran it says that men shall group together for the purpose of grooming and having sex with young girls.

 

Wasn’t Aisha, one of Mo’s wives aged about 9, classic case of grooming right there.

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No one said it was exclusive to Islam. Its quite irritating that you can't discuss the very real problem of Islamic extremism without going in depth into the problems of other religions though. I absolutely accept that other religions have their own issues but can you not accept the problem of Islamic extremism- a problem recognised by other Muslims as posing a much more significant threat to the west and globally than other religions currently? How many Mormon or sikh terror attacks have been carried out in the name of their respective religions in the past year? And so much of this can be easily justified with the scripture. All religions can be used as justification for regressive or terrorist acts but clearly there is only one at the moment where so many followers of that religion want to make homosexuality illegal, would prefer to follow shariah law rather than the law of the country they reside in, subjugate women and commit terrorist atrocities on such a grand scale. Only one religion has responded to calls for reformation in the modern day from those within the religion by calling for death and abusing those who call for it.

 

Serious question, do you see no distinction between Islamic fundamentalism in 2018 and the terror attacks carried out by these groups and fundamentalists from other religions?

 

 

And in case there is any doubt, of course anyone calling for mass extermination of Muslims is totally wrong. Many organisations attract racist elements including I assume the majority of Britain First- though I don't really know much about them. Anyone discriminating or insulting someone based purely on the colour of their skin or the religion they practice is completely wrong and should be challenged on those views (I would have thought this was obvious stuff though but seemingly it needs saying.) if you have some examples of Tommy Robinson insulting or assaulting someone purely because they are a Muslim then of course that should be condemned too. I haven't seen him do that but then I haven't watched everything he's done, just a few interviews and talks so maybe he has done that.

Glad you asked...

https://resistinghate.org/tommy-robinson-and-his-hate-tweets/

Are you still in any doubt that he is nothing but a violent, racist ar*ehole?

Wasn’t Aisha, one of Mo’s wives aged about 9, classic case of grooming right there.

 

 

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Glad you asked...

 

https://resistinghate.org/tommy-robinson-and-his-hate-tweets/

 

 

 

 

Are you still in any doubt that he is nothing but a violent, racist ar*ehole?

Well as I haven't actually defended anything racist or violent that Tommy has said or done, I'm happy to stand behind my previous statements. I don't think he should be tweeting racist jokes or suggesting we deport all Muslim men so yes those statements should be condemned.

And whilst the qaran doesn't refer to grooming gangs explicitly, it does say you can pretty much treat the unbeliever (kafir) however you want. One of the many shocking details of these cases is how unrepentant the men are. In their minds these women are essentially sub human and not worthy of any sort of consideration purely because of their nationality and because they are not Muslim. It's disgusting.

The best boss that’s ever had the pleasure of employing me was Iranian, and I still go to him for advice now for my own company as he’s easily the brightest guy I’ve ever worked for.

However, I remember vividly the day that he told our then sales rep (who had an unblemished record of saying something outrageously dumb to drop himself in it), the day before he went to Iran to support our products that “whatever you do, for f**k sake don’t say anything about religion or that you personally think it’s bo11ocks as they’ll see you as worse than a piece of sh!t on their shoes”

Any group of people who view others like this shouldn’t be trusted.

Well as I haven't actually defended anything racist or violent that Tommy has said or done, I'm happy to stand behind my previous statements. I don't think he should be tweeting racist jokes or suggesting we deport all Muslim men so yes those statements should be condemned.

Although you appear to feel you and him are on a first name basis.

Although you appear to feel you and him are on a first name basis.

Jewish grooming gangs? So are we to assume that these are not grooming gangs but Muslim grooming gangs? This would make their actions somehow linked to the religion would it not? I am sure you can tell us where in the Koran it says that men shall group together for the purpose of grooming and having sex with young girls.

 

As for Yaxley-Lennon and his politics and the attempts by some on here to water them down. Anyone who wants to exclude people from this country on the basis of their religion or ethnicity and anyone who seeks to stop them building places of worship for their own religious beliefs is clearly pretty far along the right wing spectrum. Anyone who sets up something called the English Defence League is pretty far along the right wing spectrum. I dont know whether he is a Nazi, a neo Nazi or just another rabid far right agitator, but it is very plain to anyone that the bloke is extreme in his views.

 

As for the use of the phrase, "Native European citizens", I think you have just given yourself away mate. When you say "people like you" I assume you mean people who are anti White Supremacists?

Pretty much yes. No other ethnicity in the UK is engaging in grooming in this style. Are there peodos of all creeds, of course. But the two main differences that stand out for me, firstly that there is no shame among their peers, friends and male family. These men were/are openly sharing young girls with there uncles, brothers, cousins, friends. Secondly, they're praying souly on another ethnicity. Putting the Koran to one side- if white men had been doing this to Muslim girls en mass, we'd have endless debate about why these men had such racist attitudes that made them think these girls so worthless. It's obvious that SOME Muslim men, whether it be through rhetoric in Mosques, or that of their older Conservative peers, take the view that these white kufir girls are 'trash'. If that's not the case then I'd love to hear another explanation.

I mean that people like you who paint certain views as extreme, but all the evidence shows these views are certainly pretty normal around Europe, if not the majority opinion, and like I said particularly on the continent. If anything, your view is becoming more fringe. And what have I given away? Why am I not allowed to say native Europeans.

Happy to call him Mr Robinson if it makes you feel happier.

No, you carry right on.

You're still going out of your way to paint him in the best light possible aren't you. What he does is not just criticise the Koran/Islam. It goes waaaaaay beyond that. Plenty of people are capable of criticising religions without attracting the kind of negative attention that Robinson does. People like Richard Dawkins, for instance, somehow manage to produce reasoned, coherent arguments against religious ideology without being accused of neo-nazism. I wonder why that is?

 

What Robinson is trying to achieve is not simply criticising the religion. He wants the description of the word 'Muslim' to extend to cover everybody who has brown skin and has a middle-eastern sounding name. The problem is that, just as there are still large numbers of people in the UK who still identify as Christian despite never actually going to church, there is a significant proportion of people who identify as Muslim, but don't actually believe and never go to a mosque except for special occasions to appease the more devout members of their family.

 

The vast majority of these people have absolutely nothing in common with the kind of extremists who might decide to blow themselves up for their cause. And neither do they identify or associate with people who think their 'religion' gives them the right to rape young girls. Those people are just c*nts - and every culture or ethnic group has its fair share of c*nts. The rest are just ordinary people like you and me, trying to make a living for themselves and a better life for their families.

 

But Robinson and his ilk don't give a sh*t about that. All they are interested in is generating a feeling of hostility and intolerance towards all of them. They jump on any negative stories about people called Mohammed doing evil things as 'evidence' that all Muslims are bad people and should all be cast out of our society. The fear and reservation about Islam in Europe that you refer to is largely due to the kind of ignorance and intolerance that vocal bigots like Robinson continuously spout.

But you're doing the classic, failing to recognise 'bigots like Robinson' are just a symptom of massive failures, they weren't created out of nothing. And ah yes, silly Europeans they're all just been brainwashed there's nothing to worry about. Europe is experiencing a historic demographic and cultural shift, that's reality not 'scare mongering'. Things will look very different in a couple of generations time. That's great that you're so comfortable with it, but plenty of people aren't, and that's not a 'far right' position to take.

Before we go any further with this argument, WT actual F is a 'native European citizen'?

Would you ask the same about an Asian, African, Latino. It's really not that hard.

Pretty much yes. No other ethnicity in the UK is engaging in grooming in this style. Are there peodos of all creeds, of course. But the two main differences that stand out for me, firstly that there is no shame among their peers, friends and male family. These men were/are openly sharing young girls with there uncles, brothers, cousins, friends. Secondly, they're praying souly on another ethnicity. Putting the Koran to one side- if white men had been doing this to Muslim girls en mass, we'd have endless debate about why these men had such racist attitudes that made them think these girls so worthless. It's obvious that SOME Muslim men, whether it be through rhetoric in Mosques, or that of their older Conservative peers, take the view that these white kufir girls are 'trash'. If that's not the case then I'd love to hear another explanation.

 

I mean that people like you who paint certain views as extreme, but all the evidence shows these views are certainly pretty normal around Europe, if not the majority opinion, and like I said particularly on the continent. If anything, your view is becoming more fringe. And what have I given away? Why am I not allowed to say native Europeans.

But that simply isnt true. There are other types of grooming gangs and, of course, plenty of people who act on their own and religion does not come into it. As for the shame comment, you know this to be true in every case? That is a pretty big generalisation, as are you comments about Europeans and their views. You say that they are deliberately "praying" on another ethnicity - maybe they are just easy and available prey? But it really doesnt matter because what this is about is rape and sexual assault. It is not about the men being Muslim (not all of them are anyway) and the white girls being "trash." Sadly there are men still who see women as second class citizens and these come from all backgrounds. Of course you can say native Europeans if you want. You seem to feel the need to group certain types of people together to make your point and using the phrase "native Europeans" sounds like a phrase that Tommy would use to differentiate the guys in the white hats from the guys in the black hats. I have travelled around Europe a bit in the last few years and I dont see what you seem to see. Fortunately the racists are still in the minority and are seen as being a moronic throwback to darker times. People like me are still in the majority no matter what you would like to believe as is evident by the way that people like Yaxley-Lennon are viewed.

Would you ask the same about an Asian, African, Latino. It's really not that hard.

It really isn't that hard to decode your mealy-mouthed racism. I just wanted to see if you had the balls to say it. Evidently not.

As you've fully adopted the dog-whistle language of the neo-Nazi Yaxley-Lennon, it's also interesting to note that, having bleated about about how Y_L has never uttered anything that marks him out as far-right, you completely ignore his tweets posted here by Bexy. I take it that this means you endorse his comments.

Would you ask the same about an Asian, African, Latino. It's really not that hard.

Exactly, it's dead easy. A native European citizen is someone of Moorish, roman and celtic descent in spain, mongol, Scandinavian and chinese descent in eastern europe, celtic, Scandinavian, roman, greek and huguenot descent in northern europe, jewish, roma and north african descent across most of Europe.

I mean how can it be so difficult to understand?

Would you ask the same about an Asian, African, Latino. It's really not that hard.

You're just an Identitarian, ethno-nationalist, cu_nt.

It's really not that hard.

But that simply isnt true. There are other types of grooming gangs and, of course, plenty of people who act on their own and religion does not come into it. As for the shame comment, you know this to be true in every case? That is a pretty big generalisation, as are you comments about Europeans and their views. You say that they are deliberately "praying" on another ethnicity - maybe they are just easy and available prey? But it really doesnt matter because what this is about is rape and sexual assault. It is not about the men being Muslim (not all of them are anyway) and the white girls being "trash." Sadly there are men still who see women as second class citizens and these come from all backgrounds. Of course you can say native Europeans if you want. You seem to feel the need to group certain types of people together to make your point and using the phrase "native Europeans" sounds like a phrase that Tommy would use to differentiate the guys in the white hats from the guys in the black hats. I have travelled around Europe a bit in the last few years and I dont see what you seem to see. Fortunately the racists are still in the minority and are seen as being a moronic throwback to darker times. People like me are still in the majority no matter what you would like to believe as is evident by the way that people like Yaxley-Lennon are viewed.

Read into the cases if you're really that unsure that there was little shame among many of their MALE peers. These were work colleagues, friends and relatives sharing around young girls for sex- often in the same night.

I'm not 'grouping people together' I'm just stating the facts, they were predominantly carried out by one ethnicity, against another. This is a product of multiculturalism where you have parallel communities. I'm not sure what you're trying to tell me, that it was all just a coincidence, just because those girls happened to be available? Otherwise they'd have done it within their own community? Bizarre.

So the polling is all wrong then, and the rise of anti-migration parties across Europe is just another strange coincidence. In your books a large proportion of Europeans are 'far right'.

It really isn't that hard to decode your mealy-mouthed racism. I just wanted to see if you had the balls to say it. Evidently not.

 

As you've fully adopted the dog-whistle language of the neo-Nazi Yaxley-Lennon, it's also interesting to note that, having bleated about about how Y_L has never uttered anything that marks him out as far-right, you completely ignore his tweets posted here by Bexy. I take it that this means you endorse his comments.

The top account is a fake, and the other I don't agree with if that was genuine. Still doesn't change my opinion he's not a neo-nazi. Have the balls to say what? There are many different caucasion races across Europe?

Exactly, it's dead easy. A native European citizen is someone of Moorish, roman and celtic descent in spain, mongol, Scandinavian and chinese descent in eastern europe, celtic, Scandinavian, roman, greek and huguenot descent in northern europe, jewish, roma and north african descent across most of Europe.

 

I mean how can it be so difficult to understand?

When did I ever say there was one European race? I'm not a f*cking idiot.

You're just an Identitarian, ethno-nationalist, cu_nt.

 

It's really not that hard.

What on earth are you on about? Strange.

Read into the cases if you're really that unsure that there was little shame among many of their MALE peers. These were work colleagues, friends and relatives sharing around young girls for sex- often in the same night.

 

I'm not 'grouping people together' I'm just stating the facts, they were predominantly carried out by one ethnicity, against another. This is a product of multiculturalism where you have parallel communities. I'm not sure what you're trying to tell me, that it was all just a coincidence, just because those girls happened to be available? Otherwise they'd have done it within their own community? Bizarre.

 

So the polling is all wrong then, and the rise of anti-migration parties across Europe is just another strange coincidence. In your books a large proportion of Europeans are 'far right'.

How many sex offenders do you know? How many feel shame about what they have done? Whether these vile scumbags feel shame or not really isnt the issue. They have been banged up and will be on the sex offenders list for most of the rest of their lives and that is the main thing. You are grouping people together. You are making an issue about Muslims when it is a tiny minority that have been involved in these particular cases and, as you are well aware, sex offenders come in all shapes, sizes, colours, creeds etc. I am pretty sure that you know nothing about their local communities and whether they feel shame or not. Likewise their loved one, relatives etc. These people have had their mug shots plastered all of the media and they have given the likes of you more ammunition to fire at Muslims and immigrants. I would imagine that most right minded people living in their communities and not involved in these rings were horrified when the news broke, but then that is me making an assumption just as you assume that the Muslim community are ok with these crimes. There may well be a rise of racists in Europe but that is different to Europe being over run by racists. And just this morning I read that the NHS are asking to relax the immigration targets because they are struggling to recruit. So you see, immigration is an important to both the workforce and the economy and without it, Europe would struggle. I know this is not good news to the Yaxley-Lennons of this world, but you guys will just have to suck it up.

How many sex offenders do you know? How many feel shame about what they have done? Whether these vile scumbags feel shame or not really isnt the issue. They have been banged up and will be on the sex offenders list for most of the rest of their lives and that is the main thing. You are grouping people together. You are making an issue about Muslims when it is a tiny minority that have been involved in these particular cases and, as you are well aware, sex offenders come in all shapes, sizes, colours, creeds etc. I am pretty sure that you know nothing about their local communities and whether they feel shame or not. Likewise their loved one, relatives etc. These people have had their mug shots plastered all of the media and they have given the likes of you more ammunition to fire at Muslims and immigrants. I would imagine that most right minded people living in their communities and not involved in these rings were horrified when the news broke, but then that is me making an assumption just as you assume that the Muslim community are ok with these crimes. There may well be a rise of racists in Europe but that is different to Europe being over run by racists. And just this morning I read that the NHS are asking to relax the immigration targets because they are struggling to recruit. So you see, immigration is an important to both the workforce and the economy and without it, Europe would struggle. I know this is not good news to the Yaxley-Lennons of this world, but you guys will just have to suck it up.

But by the 'Yaxley-Lennons' of the world you mean a very large chunk of European citizens. I mean if all the attitudinal polling isn't enough for you, just look at election results over the last 3 years. Western Europe is seeing an unprecedented demographical shift, and you might take the view to 'suck it up', but try and understand not everyone takes the same laissez faire attitude as you.

And you just do not get it do you. You will literally refuse to accept the cultural and ethnic elements of this style of grooming. A tiny number of them have been banged up. If hundreds have been prosecuted, you can be damn sure there's thousands who knew about it, or were directly involved, who are walking around free men. It really IS the difference that these men felt no shame. Because that's one of the blatantly obvious things that makes these cases different to other sex offenders. This was family, friends and work colleagues openly sharing in the abuse of children. Please do some research. They were able to do this so openly, because they all held a mutual lack of respect for white British 'trash' girls, and the homes they came from.

You argument is essentially- it's purely a coincidence that the vast majority of perpetrators were Muslim men, carrying their abuse out souly against white girls, there is no need to discuss or scrutinise why this is the case, it just happens to be that way, let's just move on.

One thing can be sure- if the roles were reversed and groups of white men had been carrying this out against young muslim girls en-mass. We'd rightly have a national crisis about what were the underlining racist attitudes that allowed it to go on.

I'm case anyone missed it, there was another rape gang sentencing this week for multiple people engaged in some more despicable acts.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-44456610

Just a group of people unrelated in any way commiting some crimes. Nothing to see here.

But by the 'Yaxley-Lennons' of the world you mean a very large chunk of European citizens. I mean if all the attitudinal polling isn't enough for you, just look at election results over the last 3 years. Western Europe is seeing an unprecedented demographical shift, and you might take the view to 'suck it up', but try and understand not everyone takes the same laissez faire attitude as you.

 

And you just do not get it do you. You will literally refuse to accept the cultural and ethnic elements of this style of grooming. A tiny number of them have been banged up. If hundreds have been prosecuted, you can be damn sure there's thousands who knew about it, or were directly involved, who are walking around free men. It really IS the difference that these men felt no shame. Because that's one of the blatantly obvious things that makes these cases different to other sex offenders. This was family, friends and work colleagues openly sharing in the abuse of children. Please do some research. They were able to do this so openly, because they all held a mutual lack of respect for white British 'trash' girls, and the homes they came from.

 

You argument is essentially- it's purely a coincidence that the vast majority of perpetrators were Muslim men, carrying their abuse out souly against white girls, there is no need to discuss or scrutinise why this is the case, it just happens to be that way, let's just move on.

 

One thing can be sure- if the roles were reversed and groups of white men had been carrying this out against young muslim girls en-mass. We'd rightly have a national crisis about what were the underlining racist attitudes that allowed it to go on.

A tiny number. So how many are still getting away with it? You say thousands knew about it. How do you know how many knew about it? It is just a wild assumption on your part. Again, how many sex offenders do you know feel shame. Why are you just hung up on some men who happen to be Muslims? Of course they had a lack of respect for their victims. If sex offenders had respect for their victims they would sexually assault them would they? Did white man and football superstar Ched Evans show the slightest bit of respect for the women he ****ged in a hotel room when she was drunk? Some may show shame, but only when caught and they have to face the consequences of their actions publicly. No I am not saying that it is a pure coincidence, but if we believe what you say then all Muslims would be in sex grooming gangs and clearly these scumbags are still in the large minority. We do have large groups of white men carrying out sexual acts against children. Have you not been following the numbers of clergy being charged with sexual offences in this country, or are you too busy just focussing on Muslim offenders?

What happened is appalling but is it any more appalling than the Australian comedian who was recently raped and killed while walking home or any of the other sexual assaults that go on all of the time all over the world? You are hung up on the fact that dark skinned men are targeting fair skin girls, what is wrong here is that men are assaulting women and girls. Check the law and you will see that it is not a greater offence if a Muslim rapes a non Muslim female, as much as you might think that it ought to be.

A common theme? ???

 

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more added to the horrendous list

how many more people need to get stabbed up for you to stop laughing?

A tiny number. So how many are still getting away with it? You say thousands knew about it. How do you know how many knew about it? It is just a wild assumption on your part. Again, how many sex offenders do you know feel shame. Why are you just hung up on some men who happen to be Muslims? Of course they had a lack of respect for their victims. If sex offenders had respect for their victims they would sexually assault them would they? Did white man and football superstar Ched Evans show the slightest bit of respect for the women he ****ged in a hotel room when she was drunk? Some may show shame, but only when caught and they have to face the consequences of their actions publicly. No I am not saying that it is a pure coincidence, but if we believe what you say then all Muslims would be in sex grooming gangs and clearly these scumbags are still in the large minority. We do have large groups of white men carrying out sexual acts against children. Have you not been following the numbers of clergy being charged with sexual offences in this country, or are you too busy just focussing on Muslim offenders?

 

 

What happened is appalling but is it any more appalling than the Australian comedian who was recently raped and killed while walking home or any of the other sexual assaults that go on all of the time all over the world? You are hung up on the fact that dark skinned men are targeting fair skin girls, what is wrong here is that men are assaulting women and girls. Check the law and you will see that it is not a greater offence if a Muslim rapes a non Muslim female, as much as you might think that it ought to be.

That Robinson bloke is a bellend. He is racist.

That Robinson bloke is a bellend. He is racist.

I reckon he is but what do you think of the police who didn’t want to be accused of being racist and therefore didn’t response effectively at first when they learned about the rapes? Or is that fake news?

That Robinson bloke is a bellend. He is racist.

Is the correct answer.

I reckon he is but what do you think of the police who didn’t want to be accused of being racist and therefore didn’t response effectively at first when they learned about the rapes? Or is that fake news?

Why on earth do you think anyone would defend the police inaction? And who, anywhere, has called this 'fake news'?

Why on earth do you think anyone would defend the police inaction? And who, anywhere, has called this 'fake news'?

It was just a question as I read the strangest things are happening in the UK lately. I know it can't be true that in a western country a judge is telling the press not to write about some case and then the press just complies, that would be a real joke. But with all those European politicians warning us about the threat from Russia manipulating the news in the democratic West, I started to doubt wether it's true your police is afraid of being racist. Unbelievable that this is true, you have bigger issues to discuss than some racist idiot trying to get some attention wouldn't you say?

It was just a question as I read the strangest things are happening in the UK lately. I know it can't be true that in a western country a judge is telling the press not to write about some case and then the press just complies, that would be a real joke. But with all those European politicians warning us about the threat from Russia manipulating the news in the democratic West, I started to doubt wether it's true your police is afraid of being racist. Unbelievable that this is true, you have bigger issues to discuss than some racist idiot trying to get some attention wouldn't you say?

You've avoided both my questions.

Why on earth would anyone defend police inaction in these cases? Links please.

And who, anywhere, has called this 'fake news'? Links please.

BBC article. "The fear of being seen as racist" asks the question if that was a factor in Rotherham

https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-28967427

You've avoided both my questions.

 

Why on earth would anyone defend police inaction in these cases? Links please.

 

And who, anywhere, has called this 'fake news'? Links please.

What are you on about? I just asked if it was fake news as I didn't know wether it was true, I'm not "avoiding" anything.

What I don't understand is that this Robinson clown gets so much attention while there's not much fuzz around here about why the Police is afraid of being racist. I would like to hear more about the latter hence my question to Cabbage Face to hear his opinion on this. Could you tell me more on this behaviour of British Police? Is it because of politicians putting pressure on the police or what? How could this happen?

BBC article. "The fear of being seen as racist" asks the question if that was a factor in Rotherham

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-28967427

Thanks for this.

So it's not just the police, it's also the social workers. Could you say if there is a general fear of being seen as a racist throughout the country or is this a regional thing?

What are you on about? I just asked if it was fake news as I didn't know wether it was true, I'm not "avoiding" anything.

What I don't understand is that this Robinson clown gets so much attention while there's not much fuzz around here about why the Police is afraid of being racist. I would like to hear more about the latter hence my question to Cabbage Face to hear his opinion on this. Could you tell me more on this behaviour of British Police? Is it because of politicians putting pressure on the police or what? How could this happen?

I've seen enough of your posts to know you're one of Wilders' acolytes. Your 'questions' are plainly rhetorical - you've arrived at your nativist, fear-the Muslim-horde conclusions long before you started typing.

I've seen enough of your posts to know you're one of Wilders' acolytes. Your 'questions' are plainly rhetorical - you've arrived at your nativist, fear-the Muslim-horde conclusions long before you started typing.

Nah, I don’t like Wilders and the way he’s splitting Dutch society. But yes, I do fear for the freedom we’re used to within Europe because of the mass immigration of people who are stuck in a backward religion. As even “political correct” socialists across Europe acknowledge the problems with muslim migrants recently as they realised things are getting out of hand, one has to be very naive to still believe it’s better to look away. Does this mean I’m being sceptical concerning the integration of muslims in European societies? Yes, you might even call me prejudiced. Does this mean I’m not capable to ask questions about British society without the above mentioned fear? No. I’m not like you, I don’t jump to conclusions as easily and I don’t like pigeonholing like you do. The only thing Wilders and I have in common is that we both have an Indonesian background, I doubt however that he has some muslim friends there like I do. Friends who accept my attitude towards their religion because real friendship doesn’t bother about religion. Well, maybe salafists are right: those guys are not real muslims...

I don't understand the majority of religious people, muslim or other, who I agree are, in general, peaceful.

but if I genuinely thought the god of the bible existed, I would be all over that ****.

But most people just pick and choose bits of it they like, and ignore the bits they don't - wtf? Most christians haven't even read the whole bible once, let alone scoured every word as would make sense. The sensible long game is to focus 200% on living like the bible or whatever other book, tells us to do.

Unfortunately, that does include condemning homosexuals, silencing women, endorsing slavery and so on. and sometimes it allows child brides and other things that today's society finds a bit galling, and maybe the occasional genocidal revenge is ok.

But no, Christians nowadays just have to go to church once a week, and pay lip service to 'being nice'. How this pale imitation of mainstream religion arrived at such a politically correct endpoint from what it started as is a bit of a mystery. Also, i think it is a shame god did so much 1000-3000 years ago, miracles and speaking to people, plagues and so on, why so quiet for the last 1000 years? if God had died 1000 years ago, not sure the world would appear any different now, he's not done anything for ages, not like he used to...

If the christians of the bible were here today, they'd be setting muslims on fire and dashing their infants against the rocks.

A tiny number. So how many are still getting away with it? You say thousands knew about it. How do you know how many knew about it? It is just a wild assumption on your part. Again, how many sex offenders do you know feel shame. Why are you just hung up on some men who happen to be Muslims? Of course they had a lack of respect for their victims. If sex offenders had respect for their victims they would sexually assault them would they? Did white man and football superstar Ched Evans show the slightest bit of respect for the women he ****ged in a hotel room when she was drunk? Some may show shame, but only when caught and they have to face the consequences of their actions publicly. No I am not saying that it is a pure coincidence, but if we believe what you say then all Muslims would be in sex grooming gangs and clearly these scumbags are still in the large minority. We do have large groups of white men carrying out sexual acts against children. Have you not been following the numbers of clergy being charged with sexual offences in this country, or are you too busy just focussing on Muslim offenders?

 

 

What happened is appalling but is it any more appalling than the Australian comedian who was recently raped and killed while walking home or any of the other sexual assaults that go on all of the time all over the world? You are hung up on the fact that dark skinned men are targeting fair skin girls, what is wrong here is that men are assaulting women and girls. Check the law and you will see that it is not a greater offence if a Muslim rapes a non Muslim female, as much as you might think that it ought to be.

Are you kidding- it's a wild assumption to presume thousands knew about it? Have you not seen the list of towns/cities where this went on? If you think the only people who committed these acts, or who knew what was going on, are the ones up in the dock, then you are one incredibly naiive person. Again, I feel you haven't really read into the cases much if you find this such a 'wild assumption'.

The fact you're honestly comparing this to Ched Evans shows how far gone you are And there are no groups of white men carrying out this style of social, ethnically targeted, abuse on the scale we've seen. If I'm wrong please show me evidence? Are there white men in positions of power carrying out sexual abuse? Of course, we had endless news coverage and debate about Saville etc. Rightly. Of course there's white peodos luring over kids online, abusing their kids behind closed doors etc. But you'll never be able to identify the reasons this was allowed to happen because you won't even identify the issue.