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    Quote Originally Posted by qwertyell View Post
    Last four games: 0-3, 0-3, 2-3, 2-3.

    Doesn't matter if it's three, four, five, six at the back - our defence is horrible. Top of the league now in goals conceded from headers: and Ducker Stephens wasn't even playing.

    Reminder: in the last year Les has sold both of our starting centre backs for £80m or so combined, and replaced them with our third and fourth choice centre backs and a chap from Lazio reserves for £15m.

    Great business model on the spreadsheet, but relegation whilst making a tidy profit is a depressingly soulless approach to running a football club.

    Sad. Today isn't why we're going down - we gave a good account of ourselves for 70 minutes. The rot set in a long time ago.

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    Today illustrates exactly why we are going down. Even 2 of our wins(against west ham and WBA away) felt like we tried to throw them away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by austsaint View Post
    To be fair Bertrand tried his guts out today and provided much of our attacking opportunities along with Tadic (first half) and Long.
    He did do well, but ffs, don't be laughing on the pitch after that. Just confirms that ultimately he ain't that bothered.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heisenberg View Post
    £330 million of player sales since Les took over "everything", despite all the premier league riches.... Not a single protest at our "management"

    Name me another club that would allow star players to be sold over n over n over without compliant and I'll retract my statement.
    Go and protest then you dickhead, stop calling out the fans that support the club and calling them gutless. You're too gutless to leave your keyboard and actually go to a game. You are the gutless fan, not them.

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    Time to do some pre game demos

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    Quote Originally Posted by SaintZamboni View Post
    At least those fans who said they’d be happy if we lost 3-2 or 4-3 every game but gave it a go are getting their wish.
    We just handed momentum to all our relegation rivals before they play
    Yeah I would rather watch that than watch the games we threw points away in against Huddersfield, Watford, Brighton and Burnley.
    Even though we lost in a gut wrenching fashion I actually enjoyed the game more than the **** shows we endured earlier in the season against teams we SHOULD have beat.

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    Yeah the parallels with 05 are startling:

    The first home win 3-2 v West Ham being similar to the 3-2 v Blackburn. Dodgy last minute pen.

    The failure to beat awful teams at home like 05: Charlton, Birmingham, Fulham, Boro, Palace, WBA = 18 Huddesfield, Brighton, Swansea, Stoke, Watford, Burnley

    That was surely the Aston Villa moment wasn't it. Does anyone know what number game or weekend that Villa game was?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LGTL View Post
    Just like 2005. Horrendous game management at 2-1. 10 minutes will undoubtably send us down, we aren't coming back from this.
    It's not "game management" that's the problem in my opinion, it's **** defending, pure and simple. Our defenders are no longer good enough for this league and will crumble and make mistakes when pressured by a quality side. Giroud was clinical in taking advantage of that.

    When you play the good sides, you have to be able to withstand periods of pressure. People will say we sat back too much, I don't really think that was the case. You need to defend better, end of.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SFC Forever View Post
    Time to do some pre game demos
    Excellent, take the forum troll with you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by adysaint View Post
    Yeah the parallels with 05 are startling:

    The first home win 3-2 v West Ham being similar to the 3-2 v Blackburn. Dodgy last minute pen.

    The failure to beat awful teams at home like 05: Charlton, Birmingham, Fulham, Boro, Palace, WBA = 18 Huddesfield, Brighton, Swansea, Stoke, Watford, Burnley

    That was surely the Aston Villa moment wasn't it. Does anyone know what number game or weekend that Villa game was?
    At least we've got a cracking 4-3 win coming up

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    Quote Originally Posted by adysaint View Post
    Yeah the parallels with 05 are startling:

    The first home win 3-2 v West Ham being similar to the 3-2 v Blackburn. Dodgy last minute pen.

    The failure to beat awful teams at home like 05: Charlton, Birmingham, Fulham, Boro, Palace, WBA = 18 Huddesfield, Brighton, Swansea, Stoke, Watford, Burnley

    That was surely the Aston Villa moment wasn't it. Does anyone know what number game or weekend that Villa game was?
    yep. that game was played 16th April 2005. Game number 33.

    Almost the same as this game today.

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    Its weird how people are saying you can’t blame Hughes for today?
    Yes, he has got the players working harder and he has found a system that helps us to make a game of it.
    But, at 2-1 up we could see Saints starting to crumble and 4 minutes later it was 2-2.
    The next 4 minutes we never even touched the ball as the heads had gone.
    Bang its 2-3 and not once did Hughes even think about changing it.
    I’m sorry but I was screaming for subs for at least 7 minutes and he reacted far too late.

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    What worries me is that as soon as we concede one, we utterly capitulate.

    1st min vs Newcastle - game over
    Early vs WHU - game over
    Arse equalize and then take the lead shortly after, we did rally but defence was a mess after that.
    Today - first one went in while we were napping, boom game over 9 minutes later.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pamplemousse View Post
    At least we've got a cracking 4-3 win coming up
    I'm now putting a massive amount of money on us to beat Bournemouth - we will probably be odds against.

    That will be the 'Norwich'.

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    Have always hated Giroud and knew we would lose as soon as he started warming up - cost us with a plus 7 minute sucker punch at Arsenal and then they sell him to Chelsea and you know itís going to happen again - hope he suffers a career ending injury or worse!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Micky View Post
    Excellent, take the forum troll with you.

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    Are you labelling him?

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    It's all on Huddersfield vs Watford now, with their last four being Everton, City, Chelsea and Arsenal (combined with them only picking up a total of 3 points against the big teams this season), if they don't win today, we do still have a big chance.

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    "A 2-0 lead is always a difficult one to protect."

    Ohh please Hughes that is just complete nonsense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nta786 View Post
    yep. that game was played 16th April 2005. Game number 33.

    Almost the same as this game today.
    Giroud playing the Carlton Cole role today. Hoedt doing a very good impression of the God-awful Jakobsson

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    Quote Originally Posted by nmp View Post
    Have always hated Giroud and knew we would lose as soon as he started warming up - cost us with a plus 7 minute sucker punch at Arsenal and then they sell him to Chelsea and you know itís going to happen again - hope he suffers a career ending injury or worse!
    you are a ****

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    Quote Originally Posted by OttawaSaint View Post
    Are you labelling him?
    No, as I told him in the reply to his stupid 'respect me' message, he has labelled himself, not anyone on this forum. He is a dickhead of a troll.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pilchards View Post
    Its weird how people are saying you canít blame Hughes for today?
    Yes, he has got the players working harder and he has found a system that helps us to make a game of it.
    But, at 2-1 up we could see Saints starting to crumble and 4 minutes later it was 2-2.
    The next 4 minutes we never even touched the ball as the heads had gone.
    Bang its 2-3 and not once did Hughes even think about changing it.
    Iím sorry but I was screaming for subs for at least 7 minutes and he reacted far too late.
    What makes you think bringing on a sub would change anything in this situation? The problem is our poor defenders and we have noone better that we can bring on! The people on the pitch need to do the job at the end of the day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by adysaint View Post
    Yeah the parallels with 05 are startling:

    The first home win 3-2 v West Ham being similar to the 3-2 v Blackburn. Dodgy last minute pen.

    The failure to beat awful teams at home like 05: Charlton, Birmingham, Fulham, Boro, Palace, WBA = 18 Huddesfield, Brighton, Swansea, Stoke, Watford, Burnley

    That was surely the Aston Villa moment wasn't it. Does anyone know what number game or weekend that Villa game was?
    It can never be quite as bad as 2005, we don't have to go to fat pipes park and lose 4-1......

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    Quote Originally Posted by SW5 SAINT View Post
    It can never be quite as bad as 2005, we don't have to go to fat pipes park and lose 4-1......
    We may have to next season.....🤤

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    In isolation I'd blame them for that loss, but really it's just the product of a long dire season. Confidence is so fragile, the whole ground knew we'd lost when it went 2-1. I thought we'd been excellent, given everything and thoroughly deserved to be 2-0 up, could have even been 3. Then Giroud scores a brilliant header, we didn't even give him an easy chance for that one, just a great header. But that was game over.

    Every player just waited for it to be 2-3. All knew it was coming. Psychologically they were all just gone because wins have been so rare. Lose that edge a side like Chelsea will beat you.

    Such a shame as a win and I think we'd stay up with the confidence it'd give. Now it's over. The gap would be too big anyway, but more importantly, we aren't going to win a game after that collapse. They've given everything and still lost.

    So frustrating but it's a lesson to every club. Couple of poor appointments and you're down, however well it's been going, whatever players you have, It'll get lost with moaning about sales, signings etc, but sales and signings is exactly what gave us years of success and I'm glad we had that. We still have a lot of decent players, a very expensive squad and I've no doubt that if we started the season over the squad could do fine with decent management. But at most clubs fans just obsess over signings or lack there of. Every week you look at Burnley and see them do week with a far, far cheaper squad of players we wouldn't have wanted last summer. So many clubs with seemingly limited squads but just shows it's 90% down to good management. That's what makes it such a good league, but it'll cost us this season.

    Still 50% blame Pellegrino, worst manager I've seen here, but 50% pure stupidity of whoever decided not to sack him in November. THAT, cost us our premier league status.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SW5 SAINT View Post
    It can never be quite as bad as 2005, we don't have to go to fat pipes park and lose 4-1......
    Being beaten by Bournemouth 4-1 at home would be way worse.

    So we're either going to beat Bournemouth 4-3 or lose 4-1.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saint Pete View Post
    What makes you think bringing on a sub would change anything in this situation? The problem is our poor defenders and we have noone better that we can bring on! The people on the pitch need to do the job at the end of the day.

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    It would at the very least have broken the game up and allowed an attempt to re-organise. Equally someone like Lemina who is composed on the ball usually would have been handy. The 2nd goal would have been stopped if Ward Prowse had of shown composure when the ball came to him in space at the edge of the box. Instead he wildly swiped at it resulting in the ball going straight back to Chelsea.

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    Yoshida and Hoedt are both mentally so, so weak.

    That CB pairing would be relegatee from the PL every season.

    We are down, and rightfully so. We cannot defend, four games in a row we have conceded three times.

    Reed sold our good defenders and didn't replace them. Simple as that.

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    Anyone blaming Mike Dean for us losing is in denial.

    We lost because we are **** at defending in our own penalty area.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pilchards View Post
    Its weird how people are saying you can’t blame Hughes for today?
    Yes, he has got the players working harder and he has found a system that helps us to make a game of it.
    But, at 2-1 up we could see Saints starting to crumble and 4 minutes later it was 2-2.
    The next 4 minutes we never even touched the ball as the heads had gone.
    Bang its 2-3 and not once did Hughes even think about changing it.
    I’m sorry but I was screaming for subs for at least 7 minutes and he reacted far too late.
    To some extent I agree. Hughes did a good job setting us up and getting some drive into the players but that was crying out for Lemina to give us a bit more energy in midfield.

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    Oh joy. Palace lead 1-0...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heisenberg View Post
    £330 million of player sales since Les took over "everything", despite all the premier league riches.... Not a single protest at our "management"

    Name me another club that would allow star players to be sold over n over n over without compliant and I'll retract my statement.
    And we've spent the majority of that, genius.

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    To be fair, if that c*** of a ref does not give the freekick against Romeu, they don't score! Not to say we still wouldn't have conceded 3, but Dean deffo gets an assist!!

    & I thought Marriner was bad - no wonder we have none of them at the World Cup!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saint_clark View Post
    And we've spent the majority of that, genius.

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    serious question, how much?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pilchards View Post
    Its weird how people are saying you canít blame Hughes for today?
    Yes, he has got the players working harder and he has found a system that helps us to make a game of it.
    But, at 2-1 up we could see Saints starting to crumble and 4 minutes later it was 2-2.
    The next 4 minutes we never even touched the ball as the heads had gone.
    Bang its 2-3 and not once did Hughes even think about changing it.
    Iím sorry but I was screaming for subs for at least 7 minutes and he reacted far too late.
    What would you have changed mate? Pied was the only defensive player on the bench, not even any centre mids.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saint_clark View Post
    What would you have changed mate? Pied was the only defensive player on the bench, not even any centre mids.

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    what position does Lemina play?

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    Hughes should've made subs earlier, we were losing control of midfield. Lemina was the obvious choice.

    He's still better than Pellegrino though, whatever happens I hope we stick with him next season.

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    If we had decent players with the heart and balls that Hughes has installed the past few weeks, 8 games would have been enough to pull clear.

    Today was our Aston Villa (H) 2005 moment. We are down. Time to clear out the off - field management, first team squad, lick our ounds and start again - under Hughes if he’s up for the fight ����

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baird of the land View Post
    It would at the very least have broken the game up and allowed an attempt to re-organise. Equally someone like Lemina who is composed on the ball usually would have been handy. The 2nd goal would have been stopped if Ward Prowse had of shown composure when the ball came to him in space at the edge of the box. Instead he wildly swiped at it resulting in the ball going straight back to Chelsea.
    Yep, composure was lacking, defensive quality was very much lacking as well. I'm just unconvinced by the argument that making a sub would have magically resolved everything in our favour. The players and in particular the defence need to be better and mentally stronger in these situations to beat the likes of Chelsea and I don't think Hughes can be expected to resolve that overnight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dusic View Post
    Anyone blaming Mike Dean for us losing is in denial.

    We lost because we are **** at defending in our own penalty area.
    Our defending was poor but Alonso played a part in 2 of their goals !

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saint_clark View Post
    What would you have changed mate? Pied was the only defensive player on the bench, not even any centre mids.

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    I would of put VVD on to shore up the defence, Long off for Mane and Lallana for JWP.
    Oh hold on they are all too busy winning the champions league for Les Reed’s Liverpool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pilchards View Post
    Its weird how people are saying you can’t blame Hughes for today?
    Yes, he has got the players working harder and he has found a system that helps us to make a game of it.
    But, at 2-1 up we could see Saints starting to crumble and 4 minutes later it was 2-2.
    The next 4 minutes we never even touched the ball as the heads had gone.
    Bang its 2-3 and not once did Hughes even think about changing it.
    I’m sorry but I was screaming for subs for at least 7 minutes and he reacted far too late.
    Semi agree we needed some extra legs in midfield , the starters had run themselves into the ground but to be fair options on bench in that area were limited

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    Can't blame the boys for effort thought tadic was excellent and also long and hojbjerg put in real commitment and effort.hopefully we can keep up the performances of the last games and start to get some results

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    My real anger is that I believe Hughes would have saved us comfortably given two more months. He still might, but it's looking tough.

    In a few games he's identified a system and the players he wants and has almost got them doing the job. Of course, we are short of one quality CB and maybe a striker, but the team that started today looks coherent and can create goals.

    And that anger is only matched by what I can only call blatent cheating by Mike Dean.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pilchards View Post
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    I would of put VVD on to shore up the defence, Long off for Mane and Lallana for JWP.
    Oh hold on they are all too busy winning the champions league for Les Reedís Liverpool.
    Let's not forget Lovren. For all the stick he gets, he is better than the 5 CBs we currently have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shroppie View Post
    My real anger is that I believe Hughes would have saved us comfortably given two more months. He still might, but it's looking tough.

    In a few games he's identified a system and the players he wants and has almost got them doing the job. Of course, we are short of one quality CB and maybe a striker, but the team that started today looks coherent and can create goals.

    And that anger is only matched by what I can only call blatent cheating by Mike Dean.

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    The decision not to send Alonso off was terrible and cowardly. He had a clear view and was only a few feet away. You don't see JWP lose his cool much, which says it all. Did Hughes mention it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shroppie View Post

    And that anger is only matched by what I can only call blatent cheating by Mike Dean.

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    Disgusting how he let several fouls go. Then when he did blow no cards shown until he gave weak ones to Hoj and JWP. Then he had a clear view of that stamping challenge by Alonso and did nothing. He didn’t even wave play on for that foul on Long in the box, so didn’t feel it was a foul at all. Before Bednerek scored he was held and pulled down in the box, no call.

    It’s ****ing hard enough with our players being so low on confidence and the opposition able to bring the class of Giroud and Pedro on, but to have a referee favour the bigger team is just plain corrupt. Cheating pure and simple.

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    Looking at his other clubs, he's never started particularly well. It's after a few games that things get going for his sides. So hopefully we're now in that 'get going' period and we can march on.

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    Another thing about Dean is that it was really clear that Chelsea had recognized Long as a threat and that if they battered him he’d be less effective. They were kicking lumps out of him and Dean did nothing. Now imagine if we’d have used the same tactic on Hazard…

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    Dean has said he was to close to action to see Alonso trying to break longs leg what a klucking joke no wonder we have no refs at this years World Cup
    No excuse for defeat but Alonso was involved in some shape in all Chelsea goals

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shroppie View Post
    My real anger is that I believe Hughes would have saved us comfortably given two more months. He still might, but it's looking tough.

    In a few games he's identified a system and the players he wants and has almost got them doing the job. Of course, we are short of one quality CB and maybe a striker, but the team that started today looks coherent and can create goals.

    And that anger is only matched by what I can only call blatent cheating by Mike Dean.

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    Agreed.

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