Strikers for 18/19

Austin is by far our best striker, he is the most reliable source of goals we have, he just gets injured.

 

But if he had been played from the start of the season, he would have played way more games had over 30 league games this season.

 

Pellegrino didn't start him in the league until the 4-1 win over Everton (where he scored twice), so he was fit and available for 11 league games before that and barely played, coming off the bench a handful of times.

 

I also get the impression Huges likes Long so he'll stay.

 

Gabbi will be down to whether he wants to stay I reckon and any family problems.

 

Carrillo we will struggle to give away, might get him to go on loan.

 

I reckon next year we'll still have Long, Austin, + one new striker and maybe still Gabbi.

I understand he is a goalscorer but his mobility is a big problem.

He may have recovered from his last injury by August but I would be concerned if he was our main forward next season

I think Charlie will score bags of goals in the right setup, but you need him in the box. What you need around him to make up for his lack of mobility are runners, pace and power. And I'm not suggesting Long is the answer for that either.

He looks poor when he's isolated on his own and is running onto balls, that's not his game, never has been and never will be. He'll put in a good shift as that's what he does, but really you need to get him in the 6 yard box, get him to stay there and have quality in and around him to supply the ball.

I think Charlie will score bags of goals in the right setup, but you need him in the box. What you need around him to make up for his lack of mobility are runners, pace and power. And I'm not suggesting Long is the answer for that either.

 

He looks poor when he's isolated on his own and is running onto balls, that's not his game, never has been and never will be. He'll put in a good shift as that's what he does, but really you need to get him in the 6 yard box, get him to stay there and have quality in and around him to supply the ball.

+1. Salah doesn't grow on trees. Austin, Long, and Gabbi (although I think he's leaving) are normal PL quality. Think through all the 20 teams, you can pick the better stirkers than Austin on your fingers (less than 10 for those counting impaired). Austin isn't slow, he isn't quick. Once he gets going he's actually go speed.

Two comments:

1. Long (2 in 47) isn't "normal PL quality".

2. Austin is most definitely slow.

Having just bought a house in Hungerford, I doubt that's true.

OK, he's going to Swindon then.

Two comments:

 

1. Long (2 in 47) isn't "normal PL quality".

 

2. Austin is most definitely slow.

Not according to this thread, listing the sprint and fitness results from the beginning of the season tests. IMO he isn't laterly quick like Long, but once he gets going he's pretty fast. I think people see the shuttle back and forth and assume he has no speed. However on his runs he does run open.

https://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?58693-Saints-1st-team-player-data-stats-from-Hoedt-video&highlight=austin+fast#.WvmjUkO5vIU

Not according to this thread, listing the sprint and fitness results from the beginning of the season tests. IMO he isn't laterly quick like Long, but once he gets going he's pretty fast. I think people see the shuttle back and forth and assume he has no speed. However on his runs he does run open.

 

https://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?58693-Saints-1st-team-player-data-stats-from-Hoedt-video&highlight=austin+fast#.WvmjUkO5vIU

+1. Salah doesn't grow on trees. Austin, Long, and Gabbi (although I think he's leaving) are normal PL quality. Think through all the 20 teams, you can pick the better stirkers than Austin on your fingers (less than 10 for those counting impaired). Austin isn't slow, he isn't quick. Once he gets going he's actually go speed. However he makes good runs, and opens up space for others even if he's not getting the ball. This was pointed out by Hughes numerous times, and an example is Redmond's goal against Everton. In addition the guy gets shots off consistently, who else do we have you can say that about. You know in a full game Austin will get 5 or so quality attempts no matter what.

All three of those have been outscored by the likes of Glenn Murray and Chris Wood, FFS.

Austin - good finisher, otherwise generally fairly average, fitness very questionable and can't really be relied upon.

Long - great athlete, lower league footballer.

Gabbiadini - leaving.

I'd be happy to keep Long as a squad player, as he has tactical uses. When you're defending a lead and want fresh legs off the bench he's great. If you want to set up deeply and have an outlet he's useful.

Austin would be good in old school 4-4-2 playing the littleman/fox in the box feeding off flick-ons from a bigman type CF sadly for Austin its not 1988 anymore..

I really like Shane Long (I'm a sucker for a trier) but its time to admit he's just not a good enough finisher to warrant the label of striker surely we can find a player with Longs pace and work ethic who can actually score a few goals as well.

The BBC's list of saints top goal scorers this season makes pretty grim reading the fact Austin is ( joint with Tadic) top despite being injured a fair bit really illustrates how poor the others have been imo.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/teams/southampton/top-scorers

Still need a lot of work needed in the attacking area.

Need a striker to start and another wide player now Boufal has gone.

Still need a lot of work needed in the attacking area.

 

Need a striker to start and another wide player now Boufal has gone.

We've got the strikers we need the midfield to serve them. Yet again today the strikers were starved of support and had to keep going back to collect the ball.

Given Long was not in the squad today, does that suggest that he is on his way out? Could be injured of course. We have 3 to come back from the WC, with the 21 players there today (excluding Josh Sims who is an u21) that would seem to be our squad for this season (yes, even with Classie). Long's absence would suggest we are possibly looking to bring one in up front.

Given Long was not in the squad today, does that suggest that he is on his way out? Could be injured of course. We have 3 to come back from the WC, with the 21 players there today (excluding Josh Sims who is an u21) that would seem to be our squad for this season (yes, even with Classie). Long's absence would suggest we are possibly looking to bring one in up front.

Bit in papers tomorrow I believe about long

Bit in papers tomorrow I believe about long

Wonder if this will be the outgoing that Alan Nixon referred to on Twitter a couple of days ago? He did say it would be in the papers over the weekend.

We've got the strikers we need the midfield to serve them. Yet again today the strikers were starved of support and had to keep going back to collect the ball.

A good attack comes from having a solid defensive base to allow the midfielders and fullbacks to get forward to support the attack. I can imagine any central midfielder or fullback in our team will have next to no confidence that the keystone cops at the back can cover them if the push up.

Bit in papers tomorrow I believe about long

Wonder if this will be the outgoing that Alan Nixon referred to on Twitter a couple of days ago? He did say it would be in the papers over the weekend.

We will find out very soon.

Trying to sell Gallagher to bring in Ings:

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/6834928/stoke-city-southampton-sam-gallagher-gary-rowett/

Trying to sell Gallagher to bring in Ings:

 

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/6834928/stoke-city-southampton-sam-gallagher-gary-rowett/

Bit of a letdown.

Trying to sell Gallagher to bring in Ings:

 

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/6834928/stoke-city-southampton-sam-gallagher-gary-rowett/

Just a rehash of previous stories with a tenuous link.

Just a rehash of previous stories with a tenuous link.

A tenuous link that was rubbished by journalists the club keep informed.

Would be depressingly crappy end to what has been a relatively positive transfer window thus far.

Danny Ings? Fudge that.

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Take it as you want...

Through a friend of a friend etc etc.

Longs in Scotland..pretty much gone.

Club want a striker.

Danny ings was at staplewood for a charity football thing. But club have absolutely no interest in signing him.

Danny welbeck...13.5m

Long to Celtic then?

I'd happily take Welbeck if he's fit. Mobile and stretches defences. Can play across the line. Can't see us signing someone better.

Take it as you want...

 

Through a friend of a friend etc etc.

 

Longs in Scotland..pretty much gone.

 

Club want a striker.

 

Danny ings was at staplewood for a charity football thing. But club have absolutely no interest in signing him.

 

Danny welbeck...13.5m

Welbeck could be ok though his goal record isn't overly great (or at least I thought it would be better) best goal tally he has every managed in a league season is 9 goals (which if fairness is an upgrade on our last couple of seasons) and that was for the 2011-2012 Man Utd team not sure what he would do in our team.

Long to Celtic then?

 

I'd happily take Welbeck if he's fit. Mobile and stretches defences. Can play across the line. Can't see us signing someone better.

be funnier if he signed for Rangers..

Welbeck would offer us something different and would likely score more than Long, so probably a good move. Not sure how suited he would be to playing our system, but only time would tell.

be funnier if he signed for Rangers..

It is Rangers, so rumour has it.

Take it as you want...

 

Through a friend of a friend etc etc.

 

Longs in Scotland..pretty much gone.

 

Club want a striker.

 

Danny ings was at staplewood for a charity football thing. But club have absolutely no interest in signing him.

 

Danny welbeck...13.5m

That seems to have a certain internal consistency. Long could do well in Scotland (C or R).

Ings is a local lad hence his presence, but any interest has been denied pretty strongly.

We definitely need a new striker.

Welbeck appears to be on his way.

Thanks for that, and for that price he'd be a good buy in today's market. I thought Everton were sniffing, but then at the moment they seem to have a permanent cold..

It is Rangers, so rumour has it.

I think Roath Ravers are more his level, just so long as he leaves I’d be happy with anywhere.

We do need a striker but we do need a creative player, international level in Europe, Serbian or something like that. That would be useful.

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We do need a striker but we do need a creative player, international level in Europe, Serbian or something like that. That would be useful.

 

 

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What are your sources saying?

What are your sources saying?

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That seems to have a certain internal consistency. Long could do well in Scotland (C or R).

Ings is a local lad hence his presence, but any interest has been denied pretty strongly.

We definitely need a new striker.

Welbeck appears to be on his way.

 

Thanks for that, and for that price he'd be a good buy in today's market. I thought Everton were sniffing, but then at the moment they seem to have a permanent cold..

Welbeck appears to be on his way? To who, us?

We need a goal scorer not Danny ****ing Welbeck.

That seems to have a certain internal consistency. Long could do well in Scotland (C or R).

Ings is a local lad hence his presence, but any interest has been denied pretty strongly.

We definitely need a new striker.

Welbeck appears to be on his way.

 

Thanks for that, and for that price he'd be a good buy in today's market. I thought Everton were sniffing, but then at the moment they seem to have a permanent cold..

wot?

Welbeck appears to be on his way? To who, us?

It came up on one of my feeds :-) :-)

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/6822537/arsenal-danny-welbeck-sell-unai-emery/

It came up on one of my feeds :-) :-)

 

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/6822537/arsenal-danny-welbeck-sell-unai-emery/

So it's just an opinion not a fact then?

Welbeck (when fit) would be an ideal player for us, gives an ability to hold up the ball a bit but also run in behind and could also play out wide if needed.

Should be targetting that more rounded profile of player for sure.

Welbeck (when fit) would be an ideal player for us, gives an ability to hold up the ball a bit but also run in behind and could also play out wide if needed.

 

Should be targetting that more rounded profile of player for sure.

Note exactly prolific though his best tally in the league is 9 in a season and that was playing for Ferguson's Man u about seven years ago.

Note exactly prolific though his best tally in the league is 9 in a season and that was playing for Ferguson's Man u about seven years ago.

Feel his attributes would get more from the likes of Redmond and Moi than our static strikers.

Has never really been a regular at those top clubs though.

 

Feel his attributes would get more from the likes of Redmond and Moi than our static strikers.

I'm happy for us to give him ago it might work out I just don't think he'll score that many.

Having said that I think clubs like us have been priced our of prolific strikers at PL level I think most clubs outside the top 6 would consider a 10 goal a season man a success these days.

So it's just an opinion not a fact then?

It's in The Sun. Make up your own bloomin mind.

As much a fact as anything on here. ;-)

Welbeck could be ok though his goal record isn't overly great (or at least I thought it would be better) best goal tally he has every managed in a league season is 9 goals (which if fairness is an upgrade on our last couple of seasons) and that was for the 2011-2012 Man Utd team not sure what he would do in our team.

16 goals in 40 England appearances. Good enough for me.

16 goals in 40 England appearances. Good enough for me.

Out of interest how many of those where in qualifiers against the likes of San Marino and their ilk?

I’d be sorry to see Long go because he’s an exciting threat but have to admit he hasn’t delivered over the last year. I’d like to see Gallagher retained and given his chance. Reading about the bids for him, surely selling would be a mistake.

Out of interest how many of those where in qualifiers against the likes of San Marino and their ilk?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danny_Welbeck#International_goals

I'd be very happy if Saints can get him. We're not going to get Agüero or Kane.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danny_Welbeck#International_goals

 

I'd be very happy if Saints can get him. We're not going to get Agüero or Kane.

yeah that's what I thought San Marino, Moldova, Malta etc etc.

Not saying he wouldn't be a decent addition to the squad but his goal scoring record isn't all that really.

Welbeck would be a massive upgrade on Long and anyone who thinks differently is a moron.

Welbeck would be a massive upgrade on Long and anyone who thinks differently is a moron.

There’s a difference between ‘good’ and ‘a massive upgrade on Long’. For example a hump-back whale carcass decomposing in the 6 yard box would probably deflect in 6 or 7 crosses or corners per season. That would qualify as the latter but not the former.