Donald Trump Appreciation Thread

Sad thing about Trump, more people protest the more insane he becomes.

I'm a Brexit supporting tory voter but absolutely despise Trump. I'm certain he will end up in a prison cell for obstructing the course of justice and/ or tax evasion. I personally think he is too thick to have conspired with the Russians but his malignant narcissism allowed him to be influenced by those around him with financial links to Russia (including family).

 

Forget all this right vs left b******s, some things are a simple right vs wrong. I'm certain that Trump and those that support him blindly will end up on the wrong side of history.

 

For what it's worth I spend a lot of time in the US, employ Americans and pay US taxes/ 401k etc. That said this is truly a global issue, his ignorance (of everything from climate change, animal cruelty, arts/ culture to trade and global politics/ history) is ****ing dangerous and has ramifications for everyone on the planet. To anyone that goes out and protests against him fair play, people are talking about it (especially in the USA where the London protests got blanket coverage on the news and on social media) which makes them clearly worthwhile.

Cracking post. Trump isn't a right/left issue, Bush Snr voted Hillary, George W abstained and IIRC Jeb voted Hillary as they find Trump and his followers so repugnant. And the Republicans hate the Clintons. He and Bannon (although Trump still isn't far enough right for Bannon...) really have hijacked that party. Tea Baggers won't like him as he spends (their worst nightmare), Republican moderates definately not, I'm amazed the evanlegicals are supporting him after all of the appalling things he's said and done and I think even they are far from united in supporting. He's literally opened up a new political area with the far right and disempowered blue collar communities left behind by economic migration and changes in fuel uses etc who are being shamelessly played - he isn't going to be opening dozens of new coal mines. A future President will need a Superfund on speed to sort out the mess - and that cost Reagan billions and is still costing billions.

What's happened in a UK context is that Farage and Johnson have used his visit to gang up on May to force a no-deal Brexit along with their mates in the Sun, Mail and Express. I think this is starting to backfire and whatever limitations May's plan has, I think they've actually strengthened slightly a weak hand. The hard-Brexit brigade have then jumped in and this gives a false impression of left/right fracture. Actually, Corbyn has only come around because he realises his Marxist programme of lunatic spending is only possible by having a deal in place, at very worst. I don't think he supports being part of the EU at all.

I can't stand Trump because I don't - and won't - allow knuckledraggers to regress the world to a pre-civil rights, non-diverse, white, 1950s world that never really exisited anyway with massive social change bubbling underneath.

Guys, get some f***ing perspective. I can remember Putin's state visit to the UK and it attracted less controversy and protest.

A few years later he was invading Crimea and poisoning bin dippers in Salisbury...

and poisoning bin dippers in Salisbury...

a sub-human writes.

Putin's state visit to the UK attracted less controversy and protest.

A few years later he was invading Crimea and poisoning bin dippers in Salisbury...

Effing Queen. No clairvoyance at all

....and poisoning bin dippers in Salisbury...

I didn't realise that the 2 poisoning victims were originally from Liverpool. That information never made the local news up here.

I didn't realise that the 2 poisoning victims were originally from Liverpool. That information never made the local news up here.

Another scoop for the Daily Scumbag. Also broke the exclusive of the Grenfell fire starting in the kitchen of an ecstasy pill manufacturer.

I didn't realise that the 2 poisoning victims were originally from Liverpool. That information never made the local news up here.

Obviously not. The candlelit vigil would still be going strong.

Guys, get some f***ing perspective. I can remember Putin's state visit to the UK and it attracted less controversy and protest.

 

 

A few years later he was invading Crimea and poisoning bin dippers in Salisbury...

You obnoxious cnt.

Another scoop for the Daily Scumbag. Also broke the exclusive of the Grenfell fire starting in the kitchen of an ecstasy pill manufacturer.

There’s those whose politics you disagree with and there are just vile humans. Hope he dies soon

There’s those whose politics you disagree with and there are just vile humans. Hope he dies soon

I'm a Brexit supporting tory voter but absolutely despise Trump. I'm certain he will end up in a prison cell for obstructing the course of justice and/ or tax evasion. I personally think he is too thick to have conspired with the Russians but his malignant narcissism allowed him to be influenced by those around him with financial links to Russia (including family).

 

Forget all this right vs left b******s, some things are a simple right vs wrong. I'm certain that Trump and those that support him blindly will end up on the wrong side of history.

 

For what it's worth I spend a lot of time in the US, employ Americans and pay US taxes/ 401k etc. That said this is truly a global issue, his ignorance (of everything from climate change, animal cruelty, arts/ culture to trade and global politics/ history) is ****ing dangerous and has ramifications for everyone on the planet. To anyone that goes out and protests against him fair play, people are talking about it (especially in the USA where the London protests got blanket coverage on the news and on social media) which makes them clearly worthwhile.

I don’t give a monkeys about any left v right nonsense, I just made that comment because from the coverage I saw was of Corbyn n co and it just looked a bit leftie - I sure there were plenty of Tory’s there too. I doesn’t matter anyway.

I just think it makes sense to have these people over and talk to them if we don’t agree with their policies, I see little to be gained by alienating the most powerful person on the planet. I also can’t stand all the hyperbole, Trump is a tosser but there have been worse people visiting here without half the fuss.

I see little to be gained by alienating the most powerful person on the planet.

The toadys' manifesto to a tee. And all the more imbecilic after Trump's astonishing performance in Helsinki - which even some in the Republican party are calling 'disgusting' and 'disgraceful'.

The toadys' manifesto to a tee. And all the more imbecilic after Trump's astonishing performance in Helsinki - which even some in the Republican party are calling 'disgusting' and 'disgraceful'.

Fox News even reporting he ‘threw America under the bus’

I don’t give a monkeys about any left v right nonsense, I just made that comment because from the coverage I saw was of Corbyn n co and it just looked a bit leftie - I sure there were plenty of Tory’s there too. I doesn’t matter anyway.

 

I just think it makes sense to have these people over and talk to them if we don’t agree with their policies, I see little to be gained by alienating the most powerful person on the planet. I also can’t stand all the hyperbole, Trump is a tosser but there have been worse people visiting here without half the fuss.

Collaborator material for sure. Spineless and weak

Collaborator material for sure. Spineless and weak

He’s not known as bottlejob for nothing.

The toadys' manifesto to a tee. And all the more imbecilic after Trump's astonishing performance in Helsinki - which even some in the Republican party are calling 'disgusting' and 'disgraceful'.

Wow, I think we've found a politician you hate more than Corbyn.

Wow, I think we've found a politician you hate more than Corbyn.

Did you miss the news from some fu ckwit on here that I'm actually a Corbynista?

Still, it's a tough call. Is there anything that Trump has done over the last few days - question the existence of NATO, call the EU 'foes', snuggle up to his RT paymaster Putin - that Corbyn wouldn't have done in his dreams?

I don’t give a monkeys about any left v right nonsense, I just made that comment because from the coverage I saw was of Corbyn n co and it just looked a bit leftie - I sure there were plenty of Tory’s there too. I doesn’t matter anyway.

 

I just think it makes sense to have these people over and talk to them if we don’t agree with their policies, I see little to be gained by alienating the most powerful person on the planet. I also can’t stand all the hyperbole, Trump is a tosser but there have been worse people visiting here without half the fuss.

This is the thing that gets me, sorry fella don't know you but have seen comments like "why are these people only bothering to protest now, where were they for Putin/ Saudis etc". OK so first of all there are and were significant protests whenever a head of state visits. It's one of the cool things about having genuine freedom of speech in the country. The protests for Trump however were off the scale massive, why is that? It's pretty simple, we have an attachment to the USA. It's historical, won't go into detail as would be here all day but ultimately they've always had our back. We have been able to rely on them as a nation that shares our ideals and culture. Beyond music, art, fashion, literature and into democracy, freedom of speech and progression. We expect none of those things from Russia, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Nigeria etc. When the USA head of state suddenly turns that on his head it's pretty scary. No longer are we an extension of the global super power. Suddenly our best mate has binned us off and started hanging around with the school playground wronguns.

That is what motivates people to protest against Trump more than the likes of Xi. Protests in London against the likes of Xi, Putin, Mugabe etc do nothing except display our dismay of how they conduct themselves, so yeah worth doing and thousands do when they visit. However to turn that into tens/ hundreds of thousands like the anti Trump demo's requires a belief that we, the people of our tiny little island, can make a difference. Those protests genuinely did, it was (and still is) all over US cable news and social media so well done to all those that got out there.

Trump is not normal. This is not hyperbole. To dismiss it as that puts you on the wrong side of history IMO. After yesterday's surrender to Russia in front of the world's media no one (with sane mind) can argue that he is on the side of Americans and the free world. This is a man who at best is merely a highly sexist, mildly racist, serial adulterating, hypocritical climate change denying illiterate that is easily manipulated. At worst he is a tax dodging traitor that due to being in bed with Russia following huge borrowing after the 2008 financial crash (which all but bankrupted him) allowed Russian's to provide information that helped him win a election that was further helped by Russian hacking of Dem voter data. Mueller will have all the info', dismiss this as hyperbole if you like but multiple indictments, 5 guilty peals and his former campaign manager Paul Manafort currently sitting in a cell awaiting trial suggests anything but.

My 2c's worth anyway.

This is the thing that gets me, sorry fella don't know you but have seen comments like "why are these people only bothering to protest now, where were they for Putin/ Saudis etc". OK so first of all there are and were significant protests whenever a head of state visits. It's one of the cool things about having genuine freedom of speech in the country. The protests for Trump however were off the scale massive, why is that? It's pretty simple, we have an attachment to the USA. It's historical, won't go into detail as would be here all day but ultimately they've always had our back. We have been able to rely on them as a nation that shares our ideals and culture. Beyond music, art, fashion, literature and into democracy, freedom of speech and progression. We expect none of those things from Russia, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Nigeria etc. When the USA head of state suddenly turns that on his head it's pretty scary. No longer are we an extension of the global super power. Suddenly our best mate has binned us off and started hanging around with the school playground wronguns.

 

That is what motivates people to protest against Trump more than the likes of Xi. Protests in London against the likes of Xi, Putin, Mugabe etc do nothing except display our dismay of how they conduct themselves, so yeah worth doing and thousands do when they visit. However to turn that into tens/ hundreds of thousands like the anti Trump demo's requires a belief that we, the people of our tiny little island, can make a difference. Those protests genuinely did, it was (and still is) all over US cable news and social media so well done to all those that got out there.

Just my observations:

• A large number of protesters does not equate to a strong argument.
  
• Trump/the US have not started to hang around with Russia.
  
• Obama tried to bin us off, when he said get to the back of the queue if we voted Brexit.
  
• Our politicians should not protest against the office of the President of the US (Sturgeon/Salmond have discovered what a mistake that was and Khan/Corbyn will, if they ever get elected to any meaningful office )
  
• Not one of those that voted for Trump in the US, gives a flying f*** about what some muesli eating, middle class socialists, protesting in the UK, while the nanny looks after little Jemima and Tarquin, think of their man.
  
• Merkel has been "hanging around" with Putin and his type, ever since she was in charge of communist agitprop at University in East Germany.
  
• Trump has done what he promised to his voters and was democratically elected by the US voters . He made no promises to the UK or the EU.
  

Last time UK Liberals tried to influence US politics, this was the hilarious outcome:

In 2004, Guardian editor Ian Katz had a brainwave. He asked his paper’s readers to write letters to the voters of Clark County in Ohio, a crucial swing state in the presidential election, urging them to vote for John Kerry over George W. Bush. The campaign generated a strong backlash among the US electorate. The reaction was so ferocious, in fact, that the Guardian felt compelled to scrap it. They did so after publishing some letters from angry Americans. A favourite: ‘Real Americans aren’t interested in your pansy-ass, tea–sipping opinions. If you want to save the world, begin with your own worthless corner of it.’ George W. Bush duly won Ohio, and a second term in office.

At worst he is a tax dodging traitor that due to being in bed with Russia following huge borrowing after the 2008 financial crash (which all but bankrupted him) allowed Russian's to provide information that helped him win a election that was further helped by Russian hacking of Dem voter data. Mueller will have all the info', dismiss this as hyperbole if you like but multiple indictments, 5 guilty peals and his former campaign manager Paul Manafort currently sitting in a cell awaiting trial suggests anything but.

Do you think part of his motivation for getting elected was an effort to protect himself from prosecution, or simply a vanity project? Serious question.

A large number of protesters does not equate to a strong argument.

Have no idea what you mean by this? This literally makes no sense so have no answer for you.

Trump/the US have not started to hang around with Russia

Yes they have. Did you somehow miss yesterday's press conference? Trump literally said live on TV to the entire world that he believed Putin over his own security services. He has been extremely open, going on record multiple times that he believes being friends with Russia is in the interests of the USA. Again, I can't believe you see anything to the contrary of this, it is completely indisputable and on video (multiple times) so have no idea why you are saying this?

Obama tried to bin us off, when he said get to the back of the queue if we voted Brexit

Yep, very annoying to me at the time (I was pro Brexit), looks like it was a favour to Cameron (good example of our "special relationship"). Ultimately Obama was right, of course we'd go to the back of the queue. A trade deal with the EU is of way more importance than a trade deal with little old us (strategically and fiscally), however agree I was annoyed at the time. This is not about Obama though, bizarre that "whatabouterism" is so prolific with pro Trumper's?

Our politicians should not protest against the office of the President of the US

Of course they should. That is a bonkers view to take, being a close partner allows us to be able to speak our minds if we believe they are wrong. wether that be about Vietnam, Iraq or puling from the Paris climate agreement

Not one of those that voted for Trump in the US, gives a flying f*** about what some muesli eating, middle class socialists, protesting in the UK, while the nanny looks after little Jemima and Tarquin, think of their man.

You couldn't be more wrong. Firstly dismissing protestors in the stereotype you have provided shows your ignorance and lack of intelligence. That or you are deliberately lying to suit an agenda. Again, if pro Brexit right wing Tories like me are disgusted with Trump anyone can be. The coverage this got in the USA was huge, yes it will certainly have influenced the minds of the more moderate Trump voters as they see their alliances with us and Europe as far more important than the new alliances Trump is pushing with Erdogen, Salam, Kim and Putin

Merkel has been "hanging around" with Putin and his type, ever since she was in charge of communist agitprop at University in East Germany

Now she leads a coalition and has to be pragmatic. Isn't that brilliant?

Trump has done what he promised to his voters and was democratically elected by the US voters . He made no promises to the UK or the EU.

Of course he made no promises to us. Why add that? That makes zero sense? Has a US Presidential candidate ever made a single promise to the EU/ UK? Can't make sense of that point. As for keeping his promises to the American people. How's the wall coming along? The Affordable Care Act is still there. "I won't have time to play golf" (he's played 120 times). Has he released his tax returns? His promise to not cut Medicare/ Medicaid (important for my US employees)? $500bn infrastructure investment? Banning foreign lobbyists raising money in US elections? How about making drugs cheaper for patients? The man is a serial liar. He lies on average 3. times per day so I'm not sure why anyone here would be surprised by this to be frank.

Do you think part of his motivation for getting elected was an effort to protect himself from prosecution, or simply a vanity project? Serious question.

Last post of the day from me, that GM weirdo doesn't need any more of my time anyway:

I don't think he thought he would get elected. Most reports from people that were in Trump Tower on November 6th when he won say he was in utter shock and Melania was in tears. I was in New York on election night, weirdest night of my life I'd say. He wanted to shout from outside the tent, he was completely unprepared for Presidency (to be fare he still continues to wing it by refusing to read more than the simplest, one page briefs on incredibly complex situations). His nomination was a vanity project yes, also an example oh how easily he is to manipulate (Bannon completely played him).

That said now he is President my take on it is that he will do literally ANYTHING to cling onto power. Only when he is no longer President will be be able to be subpoenaed. He will obstruct, deflect, lie and openly defy the law to get another 4 years which will buy him time to discredit the Mueller investigation. He is **** scared of prison and (less so due to his malignant narcissism) the thought of his kids also being sent down. His Supreme Court nominee has said he believes no sitting President can be subpoenaed, that is his motivation. The thing that gets me though is the absolute failure of the GOP to hold him to account. They are so scared of his base (approx 35% of Americans) and their wealthy donors that value tax cuts for the 1% and influence over what is best for Americans, they refuse to hold him to account. They see this as a once in a generation opportunity to fill the US court circuit and the Supreme Court with right wing judges, allowing them to get genuine messed up legislation through (such as over turning Row vs Wade) in the UK I'm right wing, however in the US I would be classed as a liberal such is the insane (IMO) viewpoints of the evangelical led right over there.

His base are utterly brainwashed. I've met a few, the one's I've met have never travelled outside the USA and have no concept of what we do in places like the UK with regards education, gun control and health care. Most are happy to chat actually and rare they are rude. That said, and look this will **** off a lot of people (like me ironically) that didn't go to University and hated the whole "project fear" thing at the time BUT just look at the stat's, his base are primarily white men that are not College educated. They aren't prepared to investigate if he lies to them, keeps his promises etc. All they care about is his talking points, ie bringing archaic coal industry jobs back to the rustbelt and keeping "rapist" immigrants out that end up as gangbangers or stealing their jobs, that he is a good christian that will abolish abortions, that he will allow them to keep their guns (semi auto/ bump stocks/ no background checks etc) and punish the "liberal elite" who are framed as the enemy of the points discussed. Anyone I speak to/ work with in the US that has a semblance of education detests him yes, but ultimately are embarrassed by how they are now being scene by the world.

November will be huge, if the turn out for the mid terms are big enough (and days like yesterday should help with that) the DEM's could get control of both houses (an outcome almost impossible until recently, the elections are very much in favour of the GOP in terms of location etc). IF the Dems can follow through on their "blue wave" promise things will change and potential impeachment proceedings could start (assuming Mueller has the evidence - not guaranteed).

The biggest worry for the Dem's is a lack of outstanding candidate. Schumer/ Polosi/ Warren are all more of the same, Trump would try and simply crush them. IMO there's only one person that genuinely scares Trump that has a chance of running and that's Michael Avenatti (he's said he will run in 2020). He will fight dirty and as Stormy Daniel's lawyer has a mountain of dirt on Trump that (again, as a malignant narcissist) is like kryptonite to him.

Crazy times.

A large number of protesters does not equate to a strong argument.

Have no idea what you mean by this? This literally makes no sense so have no answer for you.

However to turn that into tens/ hundreds of thousands like the anti Trump demo's requires a belief that we, the people of our tiny little island, can make a difference. (i.e, to make a difference would require a strong argument)

Trump/the US have not started to hang around with Russia

Yes they have. Did you somehow miss yesterday's press conference? Trump literally said live on TV to the entire world that he believed Putin over his own security services. He has been extremely open, going on record multiple times that he believes being friends with Russia is in the interests of the USA. Again, I can't believe you see anything to the contrary of this, it is completely indisputable and on video (multiple times) so have no idea why you are saying this?

Spending on NATO - United States $686 billion (71.7% of the total) United Kingdom $55 billion (5.8% of the total). Bullsh! t walks and money talks

Of course they should. That is a bonkers view to take, being a close partner allows us to be able to speak our minds if we believe they are wrong. wether that be about Vietnam, Iraq or puling from the Paris climate agreement

I'll just take one "bonkers" example and maybe you'll be able to see my point, that of Nicola Sturgeon. To quote the Telegraph:

When the Trump entourage was offered the chance to meet Scotland’s nationalist leader, it was declined – whether politely or not, I’ve no information. It was widely billed as a snub on the president’s part but I am pretty sure it was more of a weary shrug of the shoulders, along the lines of: “Do I really have to see this tiresome woman?” For her part, Ms Sturgeon’s spin machine pulled out all the stops yesterday to claim that she was actually pleased that there was to be no meeting because her well-publicised intention to lecture The Donald on his controversial views had had the desired effect. I shall leave it to others to decide whether that’s likely to have been accurate or whether it was a case of making the best of a bad job. I’m bound to say that I’m with the First Minister over her opposition to the President’s obnoxious views, but, surely as someone who claims to speak for Scotland and as the head of its devolved government, she would have preferred to meet such an important visitor, however briefly, and make plain her point of view. Staging a great song and dance, before he arrived, about what she would and wouldn’t tell him, wasn’t exactly the behaviour of political leader who should be taken seriously.

It shows, yet again, that her main priority is always to take the lead from her activists – this time their anti-Trump clamour on Twitter – which is no way to run a country.

I could repeat this for Kahn and Corbyn, but maybe it's too bonkers for you.

You couldn't be more wrong. Firstly dismissing protestors in the stereotype you have provided shows your ignorance and lack of intelligence. That or you are deliberately lying to suit an agenda.

...the professional left fly in the kooks to protest Trump:

Now she (Merkel) leads a coalition and has to be pragmatic. Isn't that brilliant?

Now Trump is the President of the US and has to be pragmatic. Isn't that brilliant?

Of course he made no promises to us. Why add that? That makes zero sense?

Then leave the moaning to your US employees. They get to vote in the midterms in November and the Presidential elections 2020. You have no say. Anyway, I am willing to bet £100 that Trump get a second term. Sadly we don't get a vote on our Prime Minister

That said, and look this will **** off a lot of people (like me ironically) that didn't go to University and hated the whole "project fear" thing at the time BUT just look at the stat's, his base are primarily white men that are not College educated. They aren't prepared to investigate if he lies to them, keeps his promises etc. All they care about is his talking points, ie bringing archaic coal industry jobs back to the rustbelt and keeping "rapist" immigrants out that end up as gangbangers or stealing their jobs, that he is a good christian that will abolish abortions, that he will allow them to keep their guns (semi auto/ bump stocks/ no background checks etc) and punish the "liberal elite" who are framed as the enemy of the points discussed. Anyone I speak to/ work with in the US that has a semblance of education detests him yes, but ultimately are embarrassed by how they are now being scene by the world.

...and you think I'm a weirdo. Mate, you are as out of touch as the career politicians in the US and here. Patronising doesn't begin to describe your view of the average US voter.

...and you think I'm a weirdo. Mate, you are as out of touch as the career politicians in the US and here. Patronising doesn't begin to describe your view of the average US voter.

Trump lost the popular vote, so unsure what you mean by average voter JJ.

Trump lost the popular vote, so unsure what you mean by average voter JJ.

It's been said before, you can't use facts when 'debating' with GM.

It's been said before, you can't use facts when 'debating' with GM.

He's such a wan_kpuffin it's not even worth entering into discussion with him TBF.

He's such a wan_kpuffin it's not even worth entering into discussion with him TBF.

Tea-sipping, pansy-ass...

Good attempt, but is it really better than wan_kpuffin? Can we have a poll please, mods, on a new moniker for GM?

Trump now saying that he completely agrees with his intelligence agencies' assessment of Russian 'interference' in the 2016 election. A corkscrew is straighter than this goon.

Tea-sipping, pansy-ass...

No one likes you. Go away.

Please watch this video...

Trump on Putin summit: 'I said would instead of wouldn't' - Sky News

https://apple.news/Ade4VpempT-ypsfvdqXh9eA

Please watch this video...

 

Trump on Putin summit: 'I said would instead of wouldn't' - Sky News

https://apple.news/Ade4VpempT-ypsfvdqXh9eA

... could instead of couldn't; should instead of shouldn't.

Let's call the whole thing off.

...and you think I'm a weirdo. Mate, you are as out of touch as the career politicians in the US and here. Patronising doesn't begin to describe your view of the average US voter.

That paragraph of JakanorySFC—as he clearly wrote—was a description of Trump's "base". It was not a statement about "the average US voter".

That paragraph of JakanorySFC—as he clearly wrote—was a description of Trump's "base". It was not a statement about "the average US voter".

Trump got 62,984,825 votes...

Not difficult.

In politics, a party/leader's "base" is not "every single person that voted for them".

 

Not difficult.

More white college graduates voted for Trump than Clinton.

Reasons Trump will serve a second term.

Consumer confidence....

Better get used to him. All voters really care about is that warm feeling when you have a job, get paid reasonably, pay your bills and feed your family.

Reasons Trump will serve a second term.

 

Better get used to him. All voters really care about is that warm feeling when you have a job, get paid reasonably, pay your bills and feed your family.

#momentumcurve

Let's see how long he rides the wave he inherited from his predecessor.

Trump got 62,984,825 votes...

And Hilary Clinton got 65,853,514.

#PopularVote #Majority

Oh come on GM, appreciate consumer confidence is high and there is a possibility of a second term looming, but you cant deny that the guy is a complete fu@ktard.

Did you see his would / wouldn't video? His excuses are clearly B0llocks, hurriedly concocted to ensure he doesn't get impeached due to what many Americans see as treason.

He was looking to extend an olive branch to Russia which I somewhat applaud. However his approach is so ham-fisted that he has been forced to withdraw his comments. He now looks idiotic to both Russia and America. Art of the deal my ar$e. You cant make a deal with this guy. He changes his mind with the weather.

Oh come on GM, appreciate consumer confidence is high and there is a possibility of a second term looming, but you cant deny that the guy is a complete fu@ktard.

 

Did you see his would / wouldn't video? His excuses are clearly B0llocks, hurriedly concocted to ensure he doesn't get impeached due to what many Americans see as treason.

I agree that Trump is an idiot when it comes to PR, but he is right about most of the important points he makes. As far as the comments about treason, with regard to his preference for Russia's account of the election meddling over the CIA, that is just laughable and about time a US President demonstrated he is not in thrall to the unaccountable spooks at Langley. If only Blair and Bush had used the same objectivity over Iraq, with regard to the CIA's dodgy dossier on Weapons of Mass Destruction, 100's of thousands of lives would have been saved and a war avoided, together with the resulting instability in the whole region. Not that the CIA didn't have form in the past for that type of behaviour. Kennedy in the early days of his presidency swallowed whole the story, they were spinning about Cuba and that ended up in the Bay of Pigs debacle.

All Obama managed, whilst glaring at Putin, was a nuclear deal with Iran. Who the f*** at the CIA though that was a good idea? Certainly no one in the Senate had a say. If you're interested, read this piece in the Times today. Maybe you'll be able to take a view that is not formed by second rate media outlets, third rate politicians and fourth rate intelligence chiefs (there's an oxymoron).

The fact is that Trump is right on Iran. The agreement was signed by Tehran not in good faith but in the hope that it could either cheat its way towards a bomb, or hang on to its nuclear expertise for the moment when the agreement expires (in 12 years the cap on uranium enrichment will be lifted). For the time being it is using the threat of being able to get a bomb one day to secure the subservience of its neighbours and pave the way for Iranian hegemony in the Middle East.

Some European diplomats feel that America is simply preparing the ground for regime change in Iran and is risking chaos. Iran, they say, will react to sanctions by spreading terror, getting its proxies to attack Israel or perhaps mining the Straits of Hormuz, the narrow chokepoint through which a third of globally traded oil passes every day. Yet this only makes the point: Iran is the problem, not Trump. And the status quo is not a stable one.

 

The transatlantic conflict this autumn is likely to coincide with a fresh bout of Europe beating itself up. The shaky migration compromise that Angela Merkel won from the EU last month is already falling apart. Egypt, Tunisia, Morocco and Algeria have turned down the idea of establishing “regional disembarkation centres” — holding camps for migrants — which is the linchpin of the agreement. In October, Bavarian regional elections are likely to show an increase in the far right vote. And this hot political autumn also promises an EU showdown on Brexit.

 

Europe, meanwhile, defends the indefensible. It is right to be nervous of Trump’s foreign policy gambles, in particular when they gnaw away at seven decades of trusted co-operation. Trump now believes that he can lever Iran into a better nuclear deal, into keeping away from the Israeli border and into restraining its regional ambitions. It may be optimistic, but it’s worth a try.

 

The Europeans don’t have a better idea. Instead, they turn a blind eye as Iran’s proxy, the Hezbollah militia, grows into the world’s largest non-state army, and as Iran’s commanders prop up a Syrian tyrant who has presided over half a million deaths. Is that the moral high ground? I don’t think so.

As far as the comments about treason, with regard to his preference for Russia's account of the election meddling over the CIA, that is just laughable and about time a US President demonstrated he is not in thrall to the unaccountable spooks at Langley.

What? So your view is that the CIA/FBI/NSA assessment of Russian interference in the 2016 election and since is 'laughable' - meaning untrue - and that Putin's non-denial denial is credible?

I just want to be clear, so that I fully understand how far over the precipice you've actually gone.

What? So your view is that the CIA/FBI/NSA assessment of Russian interference in the 2016 election and since is 'laughable' - meaning untrue - and that Putin's non-denial denial is credible?

 

I just want to be clear, so that I fully understand how far over the precipice you've actually gone.

He is getting as funny as Trump. Next he will be saying that he misspoke.

Maybe you'll be able to take a view that is not formed by second rate media outlets, third rate politicians and fourth rate intelligence chiefs (there's an oxymoron).

I refer you to my comment that ‘many Americans feel’ he has committed treason. I didn’t say it was my view, and it’s not really my place to judge.

But come on! If you think he makes the right decisions, I worry for you.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-putin-russia-us-election-2016-meddling-investigation-mueller-intelligence-latest-a8453856.html

I refer you to my comment that ‘many Americans feel’ he has committed treason. I didn’t say it was my view, and it’s not really my place to judge.

 

But come on! If you think he makes the right decisions, I worry for you.

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-putin-russia-us-election-2016-meddling-investigation-mueller-intelligence-latest-a8453856.html

The guy is a weathervane- trump is so pathologically transactional and short-termist that he’ll say anything in the moment to woo or curry favour. Not even sure he knows he’s doing it.

But come on! If you think he makes the right decisions, I worry for you.l

These are a few of points I think Trump is right on, although that's just my opinion:

• Withdraw from the United Nations Human Rights Council (UNHRC)
  
• Cease all participation in the 2015 Paris Agreement on climate change
  
• Require the 28 other NATO countries to spend more on defense
  
• Stop illegal immigration, deport all criminal aliens, end the sanctuary cities, suspend immigration from terror-prone places,
  reform legal immigration to serve the best interests of America and its workers, ensure that criminal aliens convicted of illegal re-entry receive strong mandatory minimum sentences
  and cancel visas to foreign countries that won't take undocumented immigrants back
  
• Impose tariffs on states that have a large trade surplus with the US
  
• Be tough on North Korea and Iran to achieve denuclearisation
  
• Put his country first, i.e. doesn't seek a foreign leaders approval, before seeking cabinet approval for important policies, unlike May, who I happen to think has committed treason.
  

These are a few of points I think Trump is right on, although that's just my opinion:

• Withdraw from the United Nations Human Rights Council (UNHRC)
  
• Cease all participation in the 2015 Paris Agreement on climate change
  
• Require the 28 other NATO countries to spend more on defense
  
• Stop illegal immigration, deport all criminal aliens, end the sanctuary cities, suspend immigration from terror-prone places,
  reform legal immigration to serve the best interests of America and its workers, ensure that criminal aliens convicted of illegal re-entry receive strong mandatory minimum sentences
  and cancel visas to foreign countries that won't take undocumented immigrants back
  
• Impose tariffs on states that have a large trade surplus with the US
  
• Be tough on North Korea and Iran to achieve denuclearisation
  
• Put his country first, i.e. doesn't seek a foreign leaders approval, before seeking cabinet approval for important policies, unlike May, who I happen to think has committed treason.
  

That list simply confirms Trump as a narrow minded, tunnel visioned, isolationist.