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    Quote Originally Posted by austsaint View Post
    True enough - but for a Club our size, the recruitment of the last 2-3 years has been abysmal; and whether you measure it according to financial year outlays or the motley style of Football played post-Koeman, Pochettino, it reflects badly on the Club recruiters/decision makers.
    When you're signing players in the market we buy in as below, you're going to have no guaranteed success. Agree that we have been worse recently, but that's probably because we're trying to sign players for the same price, but the market has moved substantially in the last few years. The players we were buying 4/5 years ago for £8-12m, are now going for upwards of £30m.
    - highly rated upcoming talent
    - 21-24 age bracket
    - £8m - £20m transfer fee
    - £30K - £60k wages

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saint Garrett View Post
    When you're signing players in the market we buy in as below, you're going to have no guaranteed success. Agree that we have been worse recently, but that's probably because we're trying to sign players for the same price, but the market has moved substantially in the last few years. The players we were buying 4/5 years ago for £8-12m, are now going for upwards of £30m.
    - highly rated upcoming talent
    - 21-24 age bracket
    - £8m - £20m transfer fee
    - £30K - £60k wages
    Itís much more about choosing wisely than paying over a certain figure for a player. Most of our choices have been poor recently and there is no excuse for that given the resource we have to thoroughly check a player out.
    Jo blogs off the street could have had that kind of failure without any black boxes and the Staplewood resource around him..

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    Bickering aside, the problem with Elyounoussi is that any scout watching him for five minutes should have been able to tell that he's got absolutely no acceleration or top-line pace.

    If a player has all the attributes to succeed and doesn't work out (Boufal, Lemina, Hoedt might fall into this category) then fair enough - those are the breaks where you're trying to game the market. When someone fails because of physical characteristics that are obvious within the first few minutes of his debut, then a bit of finger-pointing is probably warranted (especially if you boast about having scouted the aforementioned player for six sodding years before signing).

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    He and Forster both starting against FC Cluj ( managed by Dan Petrescu)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saint Billy View Post
    Who mentioned financial year?.

    Over the last 2/3 seasons we have wasted vast amounts of money for a club our size on players, some of which are still owned by us because no other club will pay anything close to what we did. Hardly pearl clutching when we are left with a side barely capable of keeping us in the prem and with little to no budget to improve the squad, probably due to our past negligent overspending on players like Eylounoussi.
    Lots of other clubs waste millions and millions on sh it players.

    Get over it.

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    .... and scores ( massive deflection )

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kingsland Red View Post
    .... and scores ( massive deflection )
    He got the ball back, beat one man then played a great pass to a Celtic player who advanced down the wing then squares it back to Mo who scores with a deflected shot.
    Great goal from Mo, he deserved that.
    Looks full of running, working hard, has good pace on him.
    Funny what a little confidence does to a player.

    Forster also looks to be enjoying himself, made a great save 5 mins ago.

    Also if we could sing like the Celtic fans do, St Mary s would be rocking. Shame it won t happen in a million years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stevy777_x View Post
    He got the ball back, beat one man then played a great pass to a Celtic player who advanced down the wing then squares it back to Mo who scores with a deflected shot.
    Great goal from Mo, he deserved that.
    Looks full of running, working hard, has good pace on him.
    Funny what a little confidence does to a player.

    Forster also looks to be enjoying himself, made a great save 5 mins ago.

    Also if we could sing like the Celtic fans do, St Mary s would be rocking. Shame it won t happen in a million years.
    Easy to do when you more than likely when 99% of all home games.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stevy777_x View Post
    Also if we could sing like the Celtic fans do, St Mary s would be rocking. Shame it won t happen in a million years.
    And, tbf, while Saints fans just slag him off and constantly call him sh*t, he probably walks off the pitch at Parkhead and tells everyone how sh*t the fans are at St Mary's.

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    It would be pretty worrying if he didn’t look decent playing for Celtic.

    Georgios Samaras.

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    Quote Originally Posted by verlaine1979 View Post
    Bickering aside, the problem with Elyounoussi is that any scout watching him for five minutes should have been able to tell that he's got absolutely no acceleration or top-line pace.

    If a player has all the attributes to succeed and doesn't work out (Boufal, Lemina, Hoedt might fall into this category) then fair enough - those are the breaks where you're trying to game the market. When someone fails because of physical characteristics that are obvious within the first few minutes of his debut, then a bit of finger-pointing is probably warranted (especially if you boast about having scouted the aforementioned player for six sodding years before signing).
    You say that, but Tadic had no pace, and he was excellent for us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CB Fry View Post
    Lots of other clubs waste millions and millions on sh it players.

    Get over it.
    What's this, CB going all Glasgow on us

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saint Garrett View Post
    You say that, but Tadic had no pace, and he was excellent for us.
    He had/has good short-distance acceleration to create space for a cross though. Never seen that from Elyounoussi.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sheaf Saint View Post
    He had/has good short-distance acceleration to create space for a cross though. Never seen that from Elyounoussi.
    I watched Tadic constantly get out run by CBs in his whole time at saints. I never understood why his team mates would attempt to slip balls through for him to run onto when he could never get to them before the opposition defender. I actually think Tadic would have had trouble out pacing big Vest.

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    tadic's main attribute and what made him useful was that he was good at spotting gaps in the oppo defence and weighted his passes through beautifully. especially when he had intelligent runners and prolific scorers like mane and pelle infront of him. also the floated or whipped crosses he made with his left foot were almost always pinpoint. pelle fed off of it as did mane. elyounoussi never demonstrated such qualities for whatever reasons. IMO what elyounoussi struggled most with was the intensity and pace of the epl. split second decisions are what he needed to make but tadic was more intelligent and usually made the right decisions with his passes quickly. scoring was more of an issue for him while he was here as i remember it. he always preffered to pass the ball rather than take a shot, even when in a good position to shoot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sheaf Saint View Post
    He had/has good short-distance acceleration to create space for a cross though. Never seen that from Elyounoussi.
    This - Tadic wasn't fast, but was excellent at shifting balance and had enough acceleration from there to create space for himself.

    It's like the scouts looked at Tadic and the lesson they took from him was that you don't need pace to thrive in the PL. Sure, but you'd better have something else that makes up for it, and Elyounoussi doesn't have anything.

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    Scores for Celtic.......

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    Quote Originally Posted by SW5 SAINT View Post
    Scores for Celtic.......
    Good news. His value has gone up to 750k.

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    Scored twice.

    Good lad. Get some confidence and come back and do the same here, or at least create some demand from other clubs to get yourself off the wage bill

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperSAINT View Post
    Good news. His value has gone up to 750k.
    Turkish Lira

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    At least he can continue to haunt Wilson.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Winchester Red View Post
    Scored twice.

    Good lad. Get some confidence and come back and do the same here, or at least create some demand from other clubs to get yourself off the wage bill
    He wont make it in the prem. That im sure of

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    Quote Originally Posted by Winchester Red View Post
    Scored twice.

    Good lad. Get some confidence and come back and do the same here, or at least create some demand from other clubs to get yourself off the wage bill
    Got 9/10 for his performance too

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    I would genuinely fancy my chances against some of the dross in the Scottish league.

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    You've only got to look at Redmond to know it's all about confidence.

    We've never seen a confident Mo. If scoring goals against crap Scottish defences makes him feel good about himself then it's got help (It's not as though he can rely on the fanbase to lift him, can he - He has deliver before anyone will suggest he's anything other than crap)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Winchester Red View Post
    You've only got to look at Redmond to know it's all about confidence.

    We've never seen a confident Mo. If scoring goals against crap Scottish defences makes him feel good about himself then it's got help (It's not as though he can rely on the fanbase to lift him, can he - He has deliver before anyone will suggest he's anything other than crap)
    It may very well be a confidence thing with Mo, looks like he's not struggling to perform and score at Celtic and he scored 22 goals in the 2 seasons at Basel before we bought him.

    I'm sure they're more aware of his capabilities on the training field to assess whether he's up to it, sending him to Celtic might be a move to get his confidence up or they've seen enough and looking for a club to sell on to.

    Either the PL is a step too far or we just have a bad habit of sending players backwards in form.

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    Quote Originally Posted by woodsaint View Post
    He wont make it in the prem. That im sure of
    Yep.

    But now he's scored a couple and all of a sudden, he's becoming a top player now according to some.

    Sometimes, good players just don't fit in at clubs. Sometimes, they just need reinvigorating somewhere else.

    This is definitely not the case for Moi. He's just rubbish, full stop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crab Lungs View Post
    Yep.

    But now he's scored a couple and all of a sudden, he's becoming a top player now according to some.

    Sometimes, good players just don't fit in at clubs. Sometimes, they just need reinvigorating somewhere else.

    This is definitely not the case for Moi. He's just rubbish, full stop.
    Who, exactly, has described him as becoming a top player?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crab Lungs View Post
    Yep.

    But now he's scored a couple and all of a sudden, he's becoming a top player now according to some.

    Sometimes, good players just don't fit in at clubs. Sometimes, they just need reinvigorating somewhere else.

    This is definitely not the case for Moi. He's just rubbish, full stop.
    Give it a rest with the, "*made up nonsense* - according to some," posts. It's becoming very tiresome.

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    Moi's never really going to suit a fast paced pressing/counterattacking team. Ironically, he'd probably been OK in a Pellegrino team that was based around slow buildup and holding possession around the edge of the opposition area.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Useful Idiot View Post
    Moi's never really going to suit a fast paced pressing/counterattacking team. Ironically, he'd probably been OK in a Pellegrino team that was based around slow buildup and holding possession around the edge of the opposition area.
    Not sure I agree with that. Only time I ever saw him look decent was running down the wing to get a cross in.

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    He scored against the mighty Ross County, given the standard of defending on show, it's painfully obvious that he's now playing teams most of which are probably championship or league one level at best. He's not the first, and won't be the last player to achieve nothing in England to then move to Scotland and win 'honours'.

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    Hopefully his form up there persuades Celtic to part with 200k to make it permanent.

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    Ross County defence is probably better organised than Saints current defenders and he is probably benefitting from playing with attacking and midfield players who pass to each other better and are more creative

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    Quote Originally Posted by Micky View Post
    He scored against the mighty Ross County, given the standard of defending on show, it's painfully obvious that he's now playing teams most of which are probably championship or league one level at best. He's not the first, and won't be the last player to achieve nothing in England to then move to Scotland and win 'honours'.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/scotland/50117853

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    So he should do quite well for us next season then

    He has done well in Norway, Switzerland and now finding his feet in Scottish football.

    PL was clearly a step to far but shopping around in the lower leagues for players with promise is how we do our transfer business so for every VVD or Mane there are bound to be plenty of "not good enough" players picked up along the way.

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    despite him seemingly banging them in at celtic, he still lacks the basic ingredients to succeed here in epl. pace, dribbling ability, clever passing, good shooting ability, strength. he needs a combination of atleast a few of these qualities coupled with instant decision making to make it here, which he just doesn't have. comparisons with scott sinclair seem fair as he seems to have found his level. sinclair was absolute sh!t in england then he went up there and notched double figures for goals and assists which means he found his level but doesn't mean he would do the same elsewhere, same with moi IMO. if they bid upto 12 mil for him, we should snap their hands off.

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    He could be alright with confidence maybe, but definitely not better than Boufal, Djenepo, Redmond or even JWP so there's no future for him here.

    Just the extra price of hiring a manager like Hughes. He closes the door on good players, would have never welcomed Boufal back in a million years, then signs Elyounoussi. Getting managers wrong costs fortunes. Just a shame budgets will be limited for a good manager now because of the last couple of disasters.

    But after Hoedt, Carillo, Lemina, Vesterguard, Elyounoussi I'm happy for us to sign no one for a while and just progress with what we have. Integrate Djenepo properly, get Adams on form, keep Boufal around, we'll be fine in attack overall.

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    Looking at the guys record overall he's got a very, very good goals and assists to games ratio. I understand it's in mostly lower leagues but the only time he's played in a higher league at no point did he get a run in the team.
    Add to the fact that he's on course to win his 5th piece of silverware and his 3rd league title in 3 different countries.
    I think there's still a good player there, but whether we'll ever see him do it in this country is unlikely.

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    Comes back off loan and starts banging them in watch all the melts on here shut up haha.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ally_uk View Post
    Comes back off loan and starts banging them in watch all the melts on here shut up haha.
    I'm pretty confident that won't happen....

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    Quote Originally Posted by ally_uk View Post
    Comes back off loan and starts banging them in watch all the melts on here shut up haha.
    Says one of the biggest melt

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    Quote Originally Posted by ally_uk View Post
    Comes back off loan and starts banging them in watch all the melts on here shut up haha.
    You're not grasping the basics are you. He's a decent player, at that level, he was given a chance to play at a higher level but it was beyond him. What makes you think that if we bring him back up to our level again, anything will have changed. Given your logic we should bring back Guido and Wesley next season as well - how'd you think that would go?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Micky View Post
    You're not grasping the basics are you. He's a decent player, at that level, he was given a chance to play at a higher level but it was beyond him. What makes you think that if we bring him back up to our level again, anything will have changed. Given your logic we should bring back Guido and Wesley next season as well - how'd you think that would go?
    It will depend what level we are playing at next season........

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    Quote Originally Posted by SW5 SAINT View Post
    It will depend what level we are playing at next season........
    this. but still think the championship will be a struggle for him, there is high physical demands down there. moi, as weak as he is, will get eased off the ball down there which happened time and again while he was here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Micky View Post
    You're not grasping the basics are you. He's a decent player, at that level, he was given a chance to play at a higher level but it was beyond him. What makes you think that if we bring him back up to our level again, anything will have changed. Given your logic we should bring back Guido and Wesley next season as well - how'd you think that would go?
    So, you are seriously suggesting that we are a level above Celtic? Did you think about that vey seriously before you wrote it?

    Give praise where it is due, the lad is in a rich vein of form and playing as well as he probably ever has done. Good for him, he's a bloody good footballer and it is showing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ally_uk View Post
    Comes back off loan and starts banging them in watch all the melts on here shut up haha.
    Sadly no with Ralph's obsession with Redmond and Ward Prowse who will never be dropped. The joke is that people on here say that Moi has no pace, that he is too slow. Ward Prowse is not exactly like a hare on steroids so where's the difference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charlie Wayman View Post
    So, you are seriously suggesting that we are a level above Celtic? Did you think about that vey seriously before you wrote it?

    Give praise where it is due, the lad is in a rich vein of form and playing as well as he probably ever has done. Good for him, he's a bloody good footballer and it is showing.
    You're being pretty obtuse. Regardless of how good or big Celtic are, the standard of teams Elyounoussi is performing against is substantially lower.

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    Quote Originally Posted by verlaine1979 View Post
    You're being pretty obtuse. Regardless of how good or big Celtic are, the standard of teams Elyounoussi is performing against is substantially lower.
    Even Scott Sinclair looks half decent playing in the SPL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by way down south View Post
    despite him seemingly banging them in at celtic, he still lacks the basic ingredients to succeed here in epl. pace, dribbling ability, clever passing, good shooting ability, strength. he needs a combination of atleast a few of these qualities coupled with instant decision making to make it here, which he just doesn't have. comparisons with scott sinclair seem fair as he seems to have found his level. sinclair was absolute sh!t in england then he went up there and notched double figures for goals and assists which means he found his level but doesn't mean he would do the same elsewhere, same with moi IMO. if they bid upto 12 mil for him, we should snap their hands off.
    .... you need to have a check on the sort of fees Scottish Teams, even the very top ones pay!!

    Their record fee is under 10 million for Edouard last year. Up till then it was 6 million each for John Harton and Chris Sutton way back when,
    despite all the money we pumped into them with our prchases of Forster, Wanyama, VVD and Armstrong. The could give us a good run for the Net Spend Champions title!!

    So 12 mill for Mo isn't likely, doubt they'd shell out that for CR7

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    Quote Originally Posted by ericofarabia View Post
    .... you need to have a check on the sort of fees Scottish Teams, even the very top ones pay!!

    Their record fee is under 10 million for Edouard last year. Up till then it was 6 million each for John Harton and Chris Sutton way back when,
    despite all the money we pumped into them with our prchases of Forster, Wanyama, VVD and Armstrong. The could give us a good run for the Net Spend Champions title!!

    So 12 mill for Mo isn't likely, doubt they'd shell out that for CR7
    Well he said upto 12m...so ..........1m will do!

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