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    Default Would Morgan Schneiderlin now be a World Cup winner if hed have stayed at Saints?

    I accept France have a wealth of talent in his position, but whos to say his development, or perceived ability, would not have warranted at least a place in the squad?

    I wonder what Morgan is thinking now too. I believe his debut- and most of his appearances- were on our watch after all?


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    Too long ago to say, too many variables. Certainly wouldn't have been starting for them.

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    God knows.
    But he was miles better with us than he is now.

    Saying that, think how dreadful he would have been under the last clown?

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    Maybe. Maybe not. We'll never know.

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    Even in his pomp the only player in their squad he could've hoped to edge out would be Nzonzi, and assuming they picked him in part because of his physical presence (he's 6'6) I doubt it. All old news now, but none of the French people I used to work with thought Schneiderlin was anything to write home about.

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    I remember being at Wembley to see England beat France 2-0 in 2015, when they had Manchester United's Schneiderlin in their team. He was never a top international player and wouldn't have been good enough for their current team, whichever club he played for. If he'd been good enough to keep his place at Manchester United, he might have been good enough to keep his place for France but he wasn't.

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    Would lallana now be a World Cup winner if hed stayed with Saints?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stud mark of doom View Post
    Would lallana now be a World Cup winner if he’d stayed with Saints?
    No chance, no matter who he played for as we will never win one again... sadly

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    I saw him playing for France as a lone anchorman and he looked out of his depth, the game passed him by.

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    He's faded since he left Saints. Would he have been in the team? who knows, but he would certainly have been closer than he is now.

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    If hadn't gone Man U he wouldn't have a FA cup winners medal which I'm sure is a lovely reminder of a nice day out at Wembley where he got to watch the whole final sat down for free....

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    Until I saw this thread I had completely forgotten about him. It didn't even register that he wasn't in the French squad.

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    Bring him home

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    Quote Originally Posted by Avenue_Saint View Post
    Bring him home
    One of the few I would take back!

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    Quote Originally Posted by a1ex2001 View Post
    One of the few I would take back!
    Not now thank you, we've moved on and he's moved down

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    Quote Originally Posted by Avenue_Saint View Post
    Bring him home
    A poor player now so no thanks...
    He was actually on his way down before he left which was proven by him finding it very difficult after he left us...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Instant Classic View Post
    Maybe. Maybe not.
    I can't agree.

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    One of the many players who left who have gone downhill since leaving Southampton.

    Morgan is probably regretting his moves he never really made it anywhere else and I am sure we can name all of those who are in the same predicament.

    Next one downhill, Van Dijk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Portugalsaint View Post
    One of the many players who left who have gone downhill since leaving Southampton.

    Morgan is probably regretting his moves he never really made it anywhere else and I am sure we can name all of those who are in the same predicament.

    Next one downhill, Van Dijk.
    It's a shame really as the team he played in was better than the individual parts. All those players who moved on haven't really fulfilled their potential, pobably because they were not as good as they thought they were....but I am sure their money more than compensates!

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    Really it's all about Pochettino and his guys. A lot of players who showed exceptional form under his methods have just faded away.
    Morgan would probably have gone on to better things if he'd gone to Spurs in 2014 at the start of heir upturn.
    Other than that no, he'd not have done any better by staying with Saints, on the international front anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dellman View Post
    Not now thank you, we've moved on and he's moved down
    Don't you mean we've moved down and he's moved down?! We can hardly be too smug about the direction we've been heading in for past couple of seasons.

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    No France squad is too strong even for peak Morgan

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    All ifs and buts. Personally I think if he was a regular Premier League starter and playing at the level we used to enjoy at St Mary's, there's every reason to think he would still be a regular in their squad.

    It is a shame it didn't work out for him, but it's difficult to be too sympathetic either. I do wonder whether players like him, Lallana etc will look back when they are old and wonder if they could have achieved legendary status with us? Appreciate they've had a go at a big club, and presumably made some good money doing so, but I think they might have expected a lot more by moving from Saints.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Super_Uwe View Post
    All ifs and buts. Personally I think if he was a regular Premier League starter and playing at the level we used to enjoy at St Mary's, there's every reason to think he would still be a regular in their squad.

    It is a shame it didn't work out for him, but it's difficult to be too sympathetic either. I do wonder whether players like him, Lallana etc will look back when they are old and wonder if they could have achieved legendary status with us? Appreciate they've had a go at a big club, and presumably made some good money doing so, but I think they might have expected a lot more by moving from Saints.
    I don't think any of them will. The counter argument is, had they stayed with us, would they have regretted not trying to maximise their careers?

    Sportspeople at that level all have a certain amount of self belief, which some will interpret as arrogance, in their abilities. That's one of the things that gets them where they are. Most will try to play at the highest level they can (or best club in this case), there are very few Le Tissier's out there who have other priorities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Super_Uwe View Post
    All ifs and buts. Personally I think if he was a regular Premier League starter and playing at the level we used to enjoy at St Mary's, there's every reason to think he would still be a regular in their squad.

    It is a shame it didn't work out for him, but it's difficult to be too sympathetic either. I do wonder whether players like him, Lallana etc will look back when they are old and wonder if they could have achieved legendary status with us? Appreciate they've had a go at a big club, and presumably made some good money doing so, but I think they might have expected a lot more by moving from Saints.
    At the absolute peak of his performances for us, he only made the 2014 French squad as a standby after Grenier was injured and only made 8 starts across the 2.5 years he was in the squad. Deschamps clearly never really rated him.

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    To be fair, Morgs thrived under Pochettino. Had he followed Poch to Spurs during that summer of discontent, I don't see any reason why he wouldn't have improved further and probably kept a place in the France squad. Of all the great things that Poch was, he is a brilliant coach. Morgs staying that extra year when he was clearly unhappy, though good for us, probably stifled him a little bit. I think the same maybe goes for Fonte's blocked move to United after he won the Euros.

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    Taking the saints glasses off i think you'd have to say no - he went to United which should have been the catalyst for his career really. If he goes in at United, nails down a starter spot and excels at one of the world's biggest clubs, then he proves he can cut it and is almost certainly still in the French squad.

    For whatever reason he failed, hasnt recpatured his form at Everton either and is rightly not in the squad. if he stayed with us, and even maintained his levels, others at 'bigger clubs' would likely have overtaken him anyway. Kante for example, i dont think was on the french scene when Morgan last was.

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    Has Morgan actually played for France since he left us?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bpsaint View Post
    Has Morgan actually played for France since he left us?
    Think so, I remember him being on the pitch a at the time of the 2015 bombings so that would have been on 13th November thus after he moved to Utd. Played against England a couple of days afterwards as well.
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