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    Default 25 man squad 2018-19

    Is this it?

    McCarthy. Gunn. Rose
    Cedric. Reed. Yoshida. Vestergaard. Hoedt. Bednarek. Bertrand. McQueen
    Romeu. H÷jbjerg. Lemina. Hesketh. Davis. Armstrong
    Elyounoussi. Ward-Prowse. Sims. Redmond
    Gabbiadini. Long. Austin. Gallagher.

    Clasie, Targett, Forster, Stephens, Boufal all sold or loaned out. (Probobly forgotten someone)

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    We don't know the 25 man squad yet, so be patient. All will be revealed.
    I would rearrange your list thusly:

    McCarthy. Gunn. Rose
    Cedric. Reed. Yoshida. Vestergaard. Hoedt. Bednarek. Bertrand. Targett. Stephens
    Romeu. H÷jbjerg. Lemina. Hesketh(*). Armstrong
    Elyounoussi. Ward-Prowse. Sims. Redmond
    Gabbiadini. Long. Austin. Gallagher.

    Clasie, McQueen, Forster, Davis, Boufal all sold or loaned out.
    (*) I think Hesketh may be 'at risk' if we bring anyone else in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kjurwi View Post
    Is this it?

    McCarthy. Gunn. Rose
    Cedric. Reed. Yoshida. Vestergaard. Hoedt. Bednarek. Bertrand. McQueen
    Romeu. H÷jbjerg. Lemina. Hesketh. Davis. Armstrong
    Elyounoussi. Ward-Prowse. Sims. Redmond
    Gabbiadini. Long. Austin. Gallagher.

    Clasie, Targett, Forster, Stephens, Boufal all sold or loaned out. (Probobly forgotten someone)
    I think Sims is still young enough that he's exempt from having to be named in the 25.

    But your suggested list - whether right or wrong - does emphasise how bloated our squad is and how the second half of this transfer window is probably going to focus almost entirely on shipping players out.

    I'd be surprised if McQueen was retained over Targett. More than happy to lose Clasie and Davis - if Reed's going be part of the squad and Slattery (who wouldn't count towards the 25) the next youth to be given a taste, the midfield is well stocked. I doubt Hesketh has a future at our level as well.

    If we can shift Long too, that frees up a few spaces should there be any money left to bring in some new less crap blood.

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    McCarthy, Gunn, Lewis/Rose

    Cedric, Stephens, Bednarek, Yoshida, Hoedt, Vestergaard, Bertrand, Targett

    Armstrong, Elyounoussi, Redmond, Romeu, Hojbjerg, Lemina, Ward-Prowse, Davis, Hesketh, Reed

    Austin, Gabbiadini, Long, Gallagher

    Sims is 21, Forster, McQueen and Clasie sold/loaned out. One question mark is whether our 3rd keeper will be 23 year old Rose who takes up a squad place, or 20 year old Lewis who doesn't and leaves a space free for another outfield player, or whether we bring another old Pro keeper in. Personally I'd also sell Long and Davis and loan out Hesketh, bringing in a striker, attacking midfielder and another centre back but then I'm not the manager!

    I do worry about our creativity though. Armstrong and Elyounoussi appear to be good acquisions in this field but I worry it's not enough, looking at who we have backing them up...

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    Quote Originally Posted by SNSUN View Post
    I do worry about our creativity though. Armstrong and Elyounoussi appear to be good acquisions in this field but I worry it's not enough, looking at who we have backing them up...
    Agreed. Don’t think there is enough creativity or enough goals in that squad at the moment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by for_heaven's_Saint View Post
    Agreed. Don’t think there is enough creativity or enough goals in that squad at the moment.
    I agree with that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by for_heaven's_Saint View Post
    Agreed. Don’t think there is enough creativity or enough goals in that squad at the moment.
    Yep. From the OP, the line that jumped out at me was "Elyounoussi. Ward-Prowse. Sims. Redmond". Not sure there's enough there, especially if Elyounoussi doesn't live up to expectations.

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    Does anyone know when the squad has to be confirmed this season? It is usually after the transfer window closes but after the season starts. But this season the PL transfer window closes before the season starts (good) but the European transfer window remains open until end of August, meaning PL clubs can still transfer players out until then. Means we could still have more than 25 over 21 players when the season kicks off, and transfer some out (to European clubs) by the end of August. I can't find a date for the squad declaration for 2018/19.

    As things currently stand we have to trim 6 players from our squad (currently 31 eligible players, I think). Assuming Clasie, Boufal and Forster will be going, still leaves 3 more, can only assume this would mean Barnes, Hesketh and Flannigan would not be included. They could still of course play for the u23s, but more likely they would be loaned out, perhaps like Seager to the Dutch league. Of course this still means we have to lose more if we are to bring anyone else in. A striker still seems the most needy area, though with Gallagher being an upgrade on Carrillo maybe there is no need, maybe Long out and someone else in would be my preference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by for_heaven's_Saint View Post
    Agreed. Don’t think there is enough creativity or enough goals in that squad at the moment.
    I am not so sure you know. Gabbi is a proven goalscorer at this level and did well with us until we started the foreign style defensive experiments. Under Hughes with a more attacking formation and style of play, he may start banging them in again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by st.bangkok View Post
    I am not so sure you know. Gabbi is a proven goalscorer at this level and did well with us until we started the foreign style defensive experiments. Under Hughes with a more attacking formation and style of play, he may start banging them in again.
    I don't think you can say he's a proven goal scorer, he hit a purple patch when he arrived but was then largely ineffective. He's never been prolific in terms of numbers, which is why I've always seen him as more of a supporting striker/inside forward type. We certainly need another centre forward, as we'll end up with the same situations as the last 2 seasons if we ignore that.

    Can't rely on Austin, he will always miss big chunks. And you certainly cannot rely on Long to score goals. So we need some work up top for sure before this can be classed as a really good window.

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    Quote Originally Posted by S-Clarke View Post
    I don't think you can say he's a proven goal scorer, he hit a purple patch when he arrived but was then largely ineffective. He's never been prolific in terms of numbers, which is why I've always seen him as more of a supporting striker/inside forward type. We certainly need another centre forward, as we'll end up with the same situations as the last 2 seasons if we ignore that.

    Can't rely on Austin, he will always miss big chunks. And you certainly cannot rely on Long to score goals. So we need some work up top for sure before this can be classed as a really good window.
    I agree we need another striker as we have so few. But I reckon Gabbi will get 12-15 goals playing in a more attacking side under Hughes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by st.bangkok View Post
    I agree we need another striker as we have so few. But I reckon Gabbi will get 12-15 goals playing in a more attacking side under Hughes.
    If Gabbiadini scores 12-15 goals and isn't even our main striker then we're in for a storming season...! I'd take one or two of our support attackers getting close to double figures to be honest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrfahaji View Post
    If Gabbiadini scores 12-15 goals and isn't even our main striker then we're in for a storming season...! I'd take one or two of our support attackers getting close to double figures to be honest.
    I am rather hopeful he will be our main striker to be honest. I really think he can score that level under a more attacking manager.

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    Quote Originally Posted by st.bangkok View Post
    I am rather hopeful he will be our main striker to be honest. I really think he can score that level under a more attacking manager.
    Ah ok, sorry I misinterpreted your post. Yeah I think that's reasonable for the centre forward. If we could get 20 between the players who share the CF spot (i.e. Austin + Gabbiadini + 1 from Long) that would be decent.

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    Are we at 25 now with the current squad?

    Obviously you can leave people out but thats far from ideal, and no way you would want to name four GKs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dusic View Post
    Are we at 25 now with the current squad?

    Obviously you can leave people out but thats far from ideal, and no way you would want to name four GKs.
    Currently at 29 but that includes 3 players who are not currently with first team (Rose, Barnes and Flannigan).


    Edit: in fact 4 players not with first team, as you can add Hesketh to the three mentioned above.
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    The 25 man squads have been published on the PL website. Go to publications at the foot of the homepage.

    Marcus Barnes is the unlucky player not to make the 25. Both Forster and Rose included.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Over land and sea View Post
    The 25 man squads have been published on the PL website. Go to publications at the foot of the homepage.

    Marcus Barnes is the unlucky player not to make the 25. Both Forster and Rose included.
    I'm still surprised he didn't go out on loan.

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    25 Squad players (*=Home grown)

    Alves Soares, Cedric Ricardo
    Armstrong, Stuart
    Austin, Charlie*
    Bednarek, Jan
    Bertrand, Ryan*
    Davis, Steven*
    El Younossi, Mohamed
    Forster, Fraser Gerard*
    Gabbiadini, Manolo
    Gallagher, Samuel James*
    Gunn, Angus Fraser James*
    Hoedt, Wesley
    Hojbjerg, Pierre Emile Kordt
    Ings, Daniel William John*
    Lemina, Mario Rene Junior
    Long, Shane Patrick*
    McCarthy, Alex Simon*
    Redmond, Nathan Daniel Jerome*
    Rose, Jack Joseph*
    Stephens, Jack* [corrected from PL list which incorrectly did not list him as Home Grown)
    Targett, Matthew Robert*
    Vestergaard, Jannik
    Vidal, Oriol Romeu
    Ward-Prowse, James Michael Edward*
    Yoshida, Maya

    Under-21 players (Contracts and Scholars)

    Afolabi, Jonathan
    Agbontohoma, David Osaretim
    Bartlett, Daniel Grahame
    Bradley Green, Jamie
    Braithwaite, Benjamin Smales [should have read Smales-Braithwaite, Benjamin]
    Brennan, Sean Anthony
    Burnett, Ethan Darren
    Bycroft, Jack Thomas
    Cluett, Ryan
    Cull, Alexander
    Davis, Harrison
    Defise, Lucas Nsiona K
    Ferry, William
    Fleary, Taymar
    Freeman, Kieran
    Glean, Rio Kamil
    Hale, Harlem
    Hamblin, Harry Mark
    Hansen, Kornelius Normann
    Idowu, Roland
    Johnson, Tyreke Martin
    Jones, Alfie
    Keogh, Seamas
    Klarer, Christoph
    Kozak, Simon
    Kpohomouh, Pascal
    Latham, Kingsley Finn
    Ledwidge, Kameron Malcolm
    Lewis, Harry Charles John
    Mdlalose, Siphesihle Thembinkosi
    Morris, James William
    Nlundulu, Dan
    Norton, Christian Anthony
    Obafemi, Michael Oluwadurotimi
    O'Connor, Thomas James
    O'Driscoll, Aaron
    Olufunwa, Oludare Samuel Araba
    Parkes, Adam Darren
    Ramsay, Kayne
    Robise, Enzo
    Rowthorn, Ben John
    Saunders, Michael
    Sims, Joshua Samuel
    Slattery, Callum
    Smallbone, William Anthony Patrick
    Tchaptchet, Wandja Allan
    Tella, Nathan
    Valery, Yan
    Vokins, Jake
    Watts, Caleb Cassius
    Watts, Callum Neil

    76 players in total (25+51).


    Excluded
    Marcus Barnes - over 21 and excluded from 25 man list
    Alexandre Jankewitz - new first year scholar
    Jordy Clasie (loan)
    Guido Carrillo (loan)
    Ryan Seager (loan)
    Sofiane Boufal (loan)
    Harry Reed (loan)
    Sam McQueen (loan)
    Jake Hesketh (loan)
    Jake Flannigan (loan)
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    Some excellent middle names in there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LGTL View Post
    Some excellent middle names in there.
    It's unlikely now, but if I do have a son I am definitely calling him Osaretim Kordt Gerard Fry.

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    Have we always included 4 keepers in the 25 man squad? Seems a tad overkill to me, especially when it's the one position that you're allowed emergency transfers (IIRC?). A bit of a waste to sacrifice one of our better U23 strikers (Barnes) for a 4th keeper IMO

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    Quote Originally Posted by LGTL View Post
    Some excellent middle names in there.
    Quote Originally Posted by Over land and sea View Post
    25 Squad players (*=Home grown)


    Glean, Rio Kamil

    Hansen, Kornelius Normann
    Idowu, Roland

    Mdlalose, Siphesihle Thembinkosi

    Watts, Caleb Cassius
    Some corkers in there. I thought Kornelius an unfootball like name but then spotted the following:

    Rio Kamil - stage name of a pornstar surely?
    Roland - how many more Rolands have there been than Ruperts?
    Caleb Cassius - don't find many of them around
    Siphesihle - shortened to syphilis by his friends

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    Can we bring in a player out of contract still ? Presumably that is now precluded by having a 25 man squad already named.

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    Thanks for the work putting that up here.

    Shouldn't Jack Stephens not have an asterisk? :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by suewhistle View Post

    Shouldn't Jack Stephens not have an asterisk? :-)
    Next to "defender"?


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    Quote Originally Posted by suewhistle View Post
    Thanks for the work putting that up here.

    Shouldn't Jack Stephens not have an asterisk? :-)
    He should be shown as home grown, yes. Looks like a typo. I've amended the list above even though it is a direct cut and paste from the PL website.

    Also "Braithwaite, Benjamin Smales" is listed in the U21s - I think that should be Smales-Braithwaite, Benjamin

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    I understand that Ryan Seager is also heading back early from loan.

    https://www.haarlemsdagblad.nl/cnt/d...medium=organic

    Despte Steve Davis' departure we are now back with the same probem we had in August with more than 25 players that qualify as over 21. So I'd expect at least two more out - more if we plan on signing anyone.

    1. Alex McCarthy
    2. CÚdric Soares
    3. Maya Yoshida
    4. Jannik Vestergaard
    5. Jack Stephens
    6. Wesley Hoedt
    7. Shane Long
    8. Matt Targett
    9. Danny Ings
    10. Charlie Austin
    11. Mohamed Elyounoussi
    12. Jan Bednarek
    13. Angus Gunn
    14. Oriol Romeu
    15. Sam Gallagher
    16. James Ward-Prowse
    17. Stuart Armstrong
    18. Mario Lemina
    19. Marcus Barnes
    20. Manolo Gabbiadini
    21. Ryan Bertrand
    22. Nathan Redmond
    23. Pierre H°jbjerg
    24. Fraser Forster
    25. Jack Rose
    26. Ryan Seager
    27. Jake Hesketh

    Injured - out for rest of season?
    28. Jake Flannigan
    29. Sam McQueen

    Players aged over 21 on loans until end of 18-19 season
    Jordy Classie - Feyenoord
    Guido Carrillo - CD LeganÚs
    Sofiane Boufal - Celto Vigo
    Harrison Reed - Blackburn
    Steven Davis - Rangers

    A number of first team or first team fringe players still qualify as U21 this season, including: Valery, Ramsay, Jones, Sims, Lewis, Johnson, Obafemi, Slattery

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    Quote Originally Posted by Over land and sea View Post
    I understand that Ryan Seager is also heading back early from loan.

    https://www.haarlemsdagblad.nl/cnt/d...medium=organic

    Despte Steve Davis' departure we are now back with the same probem we had in August with more than 25 players that qualify as over 21. So I'd expect at least two more out - more if we plan on signing anyone.

    1. Alex McCarthy
    2. CÚdric Soares
    3. Maya Yoshida
    4. Jannik Vestergaard
    5. Jack Stephens
    6. Wesley Hoedt
    7. Shane Long
    8. Matt Targett
    9. Danny Ings
    10. Charlie Austin
    11. Mohamed Elyounoussi
    12. Jan Bednarek
    13. Angus Gunn
    14. Oriol Romeu
    15. Sam Gallagher
    16. James Ward-Prowse
    17. Stuart Armstrong
    18. Mario Lemina
    19. Marcus Barnes
    20. Manolo Gabbiadini
    21. Ryan Bertrand
    22. Nathan Redmond
    23. Pierre H°jbjerg
    24. Fraser Forster
    25. Jack Rose
    26. Ryan Seager
    27. Jake Hesketh

    Injured - out for rest of season?
    28. Jake Flannigan
    29. Sam McQueen

    Players aged over 21 on loans until end of 18-19 season
    Jordy Classie - Feyenoord
    Guido Carrillo - CD LeganÚs
    Sofiane Boufal - Celto Vigo
    Harrison Reed - Blackburn
    Steven Davis - Rangers

    A number of first team or first team fringe players still qualify as U21 this season, including: Valery, Ramsay, Jones, Sims, Lewis, Johnson, Obafemi, Slattery
    Of that 27 we'll ditch a keeper and have Lewis as back up. Seager won't feature and imo will be released - just not happening for the poor kid.

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    Barnes is too old to count as an U21 player and wasn't listed in the squad list submitted after the Summer window. Despite his Cup cameo I see little reason to think the club will be putting him in the PL 25 man list for the remainder of the season. As said above no point in listing Rose in the 25 as he is our 5th choice keeper so will be removed from the list when/if we sign someone.

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    Looking extremely likely that Gabbi will be on his way, and Hoedt has been completely frozen out so unless he is happy to get paid for not even making the bench then he will hopefully be moved on as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Over land and sea View Post
    I understand that Ryan Seager is also heading back early from loan.

    https://www.haarlemsdagblad.nl/cnt/d...medium=organic

    A number of first team or first team fringe players still qualify as U21 this season, including: Valery, Ramsay, Jones, Sims, Lewis, Johnson, Obafemi, Slattery
    Looking ahead to next season and Sims, Jones and Lewis no longer qualify as U21 so if you add them to the loaned out players, injured players and current over 21s that’s a total of 36 players, only threee of whom are out of contract this summer (Davis, Flannigan and Seager). So the problem doesn’t get any easier.

    Of course, if we’re relegated the issue doesn’t arise but we’d need to offload players for other reasons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Over land and sea View Post
    Looking ahead to next season and Sims, Jones and Lewis no longer qualify as U21 so if you add them to the loaned out players, injured players and current over 21s that’s a total of 36 players, only threee of whom are out of contract this summer (Davis, Flannigan and Seager). So the problem doesn’t get any easier.

    Of course, if we’re relegated the issue doesn’t arise but we’d need to offload players for other reasons.
    I'm assuming we will loan them all out again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperSAINT View Post
    I'm assuming we will loan them all out again.
    We have to start making earlier decisions. Barnes for example is 22 and in his career has just one underwhelming loan at Yeovil to his name. Is he really making it?

    Reed and Gallagher made debuts probably 5 or 6 years ago - are they PL quality?

    Hesketh, Sims, Lewis etc - same question.

    If not, sell some of them.

    I think the club are scared some of them will suddenly improve and end up eventually at other PL sides. Probably a similar scenario with Targett. Nobody will ever offer that kind of money for him again, so we missed out there.

    Needs brave decisions to be made.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dusic View Post
    We have to start making earlier decisions. Barnes for example is 22 and in his career has just one underwhelming loan at Yeovil to his name. Is he really making it?

    Reed and Gallagher made debuts probably 5 or 6 years ago - are they PL quality?

    Hesketh, Sims, Lewis etc - same question.

    If not, sell some of them.

    I think the club are scared some of them will suddenly improve and end up eventually at other PL sides. Probably a similar scenario with Targett. Nobody will ever offer that kind of money for him again, so we missed out there.

    Needs brave decisions to be made.
    Very true. I think chopping & changing managers hasn't helped any of them, but largely, I don't think we loaned some of them out early enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dusic View Post
    We have to start making earlier decisions. Barnes for example is 22 and in his career has just one underwhelming loan at Yeovil to his name. Is he really making it?

    Reed and Gallagher made debuts probably 5 or 6 years ago - are they PL quality?

    Hesketh, Sims, Lewis etc - same question.

    If not, sell some of them.

    I think the club are scared some of them will suddenly improve and end up eventually at other PL sides. Probably a similar scenario with Targett. Nobody will ever offer that kind of money for him again, so we missed out there.

    Needs brave decisions to be made.
    It's a shame as we'll probably never know on a few of them - the likes of Sims, Hesketh, Reed, Gallagher were largely ignored over the last few years. Would have been interesting to see how well they would have developed if given a chance and be trusted like Ralph seems to have given the newer crop.

    You're right though - it's probably too late for some of them and we'll end of having to sell them on to free up squad space.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dusic View Post
    We have to start making earlier decisions. Barnes for example is 22 and in his career has just one underwhelming loan at Yeovil to his name. Is he really making it?

    Reed and Gallagher made debuts probably 5 or 6 years ago - are they PL quality?

    Hesketh, Sims, Lewis etc - same question.

    If not, sell some of them.

    I think the club are scared some of them will suddenly improve and end up eventually at other PL sides. Probably a similar scenario with Targett. Nobody will ever offer that kind of money for him again, so we missed out there.

    Needs brave decisions to be made.
    Have to agree. I don't see any of the players you have mentioned making it at this level. Obafemi is the only one who looks like he might be Premier League level. If they go elsewhere and turn out to be amazing, like Phillips or Wise, then so be it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dusic View Post
    We have to start making earlier decisions. Barnes for example is 22 and in his career has just one underwhelming loan at Yeovil to his name. Is he really making it?

    Reed and Gallagher made debuts probably 5 or 6 years ago - are they PL quality?

    Hesketh, Sims, Lewis etc - same question.

    If not, sell some of them.

    I think the club are scared some of them will suddenly improve and end up eventually at other PL sides. Probably a similar scenario with Targett. Nobody will ever offer that kind of money for him again, so we missed out there.

    Needs brave decisions to be made.
    yep spot on especially about being scared that they will come back to haunt us however personally don't think one of the aforementioned are above championship /div 1 status

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    Quote Originally Posted by egg View Post
    Of that 27 we'll ditch a keeper and have Lewis as back up. Seager won't feature and imo will be released - just not happening for the poor kid.
    Agreed. And with Gabbi gone that would leave have one space, presumably for a replacement striker? Think we're trying on getting Hoedt out and a replacement CB in, and the Cedric / Lookman rumours would suggest a swap there (numerically, would obviously leave us light at right back - as Cedric is out of contract next summer, if he doesn't want to extend I can see why we'd sell while he's got some value, but impact on first team??). If we can't shift Hoedt it'll surely be a centre back, if we can I'm thinking we add a long-term right back or midfielder?

    Either way, loads of work to do in the summer. Maya, Long, Classie and Cedric with a year left will be obvious candidates - possibly on freebies (along with any of the youngsters Hasenhuttl doesn't rate - Barnes, Seager and Flannigan will all surely be gone at the very least), though I suspect we'll do the honourable thing for a loyal club servant with Maya as we did with Davis and keep paying him while helping find a replacement club?

    Does just show what a mess we've made of the last few windows, though. A bloated squad, many on big wages, and beyond PEH (when not s0dding suspended) and Ings (not ours) I'm struggling to think of anyone I rate as definitely good enough for a mid-table premier league side. Bertrand when he can be 4rsed? Redmond on his day?? Really isn't very good, is it.

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    Maybe someone will just be unlucky and be left out of the squad even though they are still at the club.

    No reason why that cannot happen.

    For next season it certainly shows that we need to make decisions on some players who would need to be included but are not really first teamers i.e Hesketh, Barnes, Sims etc

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    Just reading the SkySports article on Sarri and the lack of changes to the Chelsea line up. Interesting to see that Saints are second in the most line-up changes. A reflection on our struggles this year and change of Manager.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Over land and sea View Post
    I understand that Ryan Seager is also heading back early from loan.

    https://www.haarlemsdagblad.nl/cnt/d...medium=organic

    Despte Steve Davis' departure we are now back with the same probem we had in August with more than 25 players that qualify as over 21. So I'd expect at least two more out - more if we plan on signing anyone.

    1. Alex McCarthy
    2. CÚdric Soares
    3. Maya Yoshida
    4. Jannik Vestergaard
    5. Jack Stephens
    6. Wesley Hoedt
    7. Shane Long
    8. Matt Targett
    9. Danny Ings
    10. Charlie Austin
    11. Mohamed Elyounoussi
    12. Jan Bednarek
    13. Angus Gunn
    14. Oriol Romeu
    15. Sam Gallagher
    16. James Ward-Prowse
    17. Stuart Armstrong
    18. Mario Lemina
    19. Marcus Barnes
    20. Manolo Gabbiadini
    21. Ryan Bertrand
    22. Nathan Redmond
    23. Pierre H°jbjerg
    24. Fraser Forster
    25. Jack Rose
    26. Ryan Seager
    27. Jake Hesketh

    Injured - out for rest of season?
    28. Jake Flannigan
    29. Sam McQueen

    Players aged over 21 on loans until end of 18-19 season
    Jordy Classie - Feyenoord
    Guido Carrillo - CD LeganÚs
    Sofiane Boufal - Celto Vigo
    Harrison Reed - Blackburn
    Steven Davis - Rangers

    A number of first team or first team fringe players still qualify as U21 this season, including: Valery, Ramsay, Jones, Sims, Lewis, Johnson, Obafemi, Slattery
    This should look a little different by the time the window closes.

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    It would be good to get rid of Mo on the grounds that he is a shocking footballer that is essentially stealing a living


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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperSAINT View Post
    This should look a little different by the time the window closes.
    Highlights some really good work done this January so far IMHO. 29 listed by OLAS (my favourite poster), and that was after loaning out Davis so 30 at the start of the window. Now down to 27, and with Cedric and Austin looking imminent that will be 25.

    Of those, seager is on trial at Bristol rovers, Forster and rose are vying for 4th Keeper spot (I.e. One won't need naming) and two are out injured, we assume for the season.

    This does allow for up to 4 spaces if we need/want/can find the right players. I do think Cedric going leaves us light there so hope that's covered, possibly same with Austin to a lesser extent.

    Of course, we won't want to fill all empty spaces given that we have 3 u21 listed players moving up in The summer, 2 injured players to return and a number of loanees also to return (offset by three ending contracts who surely won't be renewed - Davis, falnnigan and seager)

    Granted a number of these don't have a future but until we know we've moved them on (either for good or on another loan) it would be financially foolish to risk having too many, especially when we can fill some squad gaps with youth players (5 already with match day experience will still count as u21 next season).

    I think it could be a full 18 months before we've fully completed the required surgery, but think we've made a good start and will complete most of the rest of the task in the summer.

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    So just updating my post above - the current 25 man squad:

    1. Alex McCarthy
    2. Matt Targett
    3. Maya Yoshida
    4. Jannik Vestergaard
    5. Jack Stephens
    6. Jan Bednarek
    7. Shane Long
    8. Pierre H°jbjerg
    9. Danny Ings
    10. Charlie Austin
    11. Mohamed Elyounoussi
    12. Sam McQueen
    13. Angus Gunn
    14. Oriol Romeu
    15. Sam Gallagher
    16. James Ward-Prowse
    17. Stuart Armstrong
    18. Mario Lemina
    19. Marcus Barnes
    20. Jack Rose
    21. Ryan Bertrand
    22. Nathan Redmond
    23. Fraser Forster
    24. Jake Flannigan

    Players aged over 21 on loans until end of 18-19 season
    Jordy Classie - Feyenoord
    Guido Carrillo - CD LeganÚs
    Sofiane Boufal - Celto Vigo
    Harrison Reed - Blackburn
    Steven Davis - Rangers
    CÚdric Soares - Inter Milan
    Wesley Hoedt - Celto Vigo
    Jake Hesketh - MK Dons

    A number of first team or first team fringe players still qualify as U21 this season, including: Valery, Ramsay, Jones, Sims, Lewis, Johnson, Obafemi, Slattery

    Looking ahead to next season, Sims, Jones and Lewis no longer qualify as U21 so if you add them to the loaned out players, injured players and current over 21s that’s a total of 35 players, only two of whom are out of contract this summer (Davis, Flannigan).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Over land and sea View Post
    So just updating my post above - the current 25 man squad:

    1. Alex McCarthy
    2. Matt Targett
    3. Maya Yoshida
    4. Jannik Vestergaard
    5. Jack Stephens
    6. Jan Bednarek
    7. Shane Long
    8. Pierre H°jbjerg
    9. Danny Ings
    10. Charlie Austin
    11. Mohamed Elyounoussi
    12. Sam McQueen
    13. Angus Gunn
    14. Oriol Romeu
    15. Sam Gallagher
    16. James Ward-Prowse
    17. Stuart Armstrong
    18. Mario Lemina
    19. Marcus Barnes
    20. Jack Rose
    21. Ryan Bertrand
    22. Nathan Redmond
    23. Fraser Forster
    24. Jake Flannigan

    Players aged over 21 on loans until end of 18-19 season
    Jordy Classie - Feyenoord
    Guido Carrillo - CD LeganÚs
    Sofiane Boufal - Celto Vigo
    Harrison Reed - Blackburn
    Steven Davis - Rangers
    CÚdric Soares - Inter Milan
    Wesley Hoedt - Celto Vigo
    Jake Hesketh - MK Dons

    A number of first team or first team fringe players still qualify as U21 this season, including: Valery, Ramsay, Jones, Sims, Lewis, Johnson, Obafemi, Slattery

    Looking ahead to next season, Sims, Jones and Lewis no longer qualify as U21 so if you add them to the loaned out players, injured players and current over 21s that’s a total of 35 players, only two of whom are out of contract this summer (Davis, Flannigan).
    Wow. A lot leaner -

    Forster / Flannigan / McQueen unlikely to feature too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperSAINT View Post
    Wow. A lot leaner -

    Forster / Flannigan / McQueen unlikely to feature too.
    nor Jack Rose, see MLT on Twitter is trying to get him a loan

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    Quote Originally Posted by VectisSaint View Post
    nor Jack Rose, see MLT on Twitter is trying to get him a loan
    So would literally take us down to the 20 Ralph was talking about.

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    https://www.premierleague.com/news/1034294

    PDF version https://pulse-static-files.s3.amazon...ruary-2019.pdf

    25 man squads confirmed on PL website. We have named a 23 man squad - McQueen must be formally on Middlesbrough's books even though it was reported he was back in Southampton receiving treatment as he's omitted. Other than that exactly as expected. Barnes and Flannigan come into the over 25 list with Gabbiaddini, Davis, Cedric, Hoedt omitted compared with August. Alex Jankewitz has replaced Adam Parkes compared with the August U21 list.

    25 Squad players (*Home grown)
    Armstrong, Stuart
    Austin, Charlie*
    Barnes, Marcus Thomas*
    Bednarek, Jan
    Bertrand, Ryan*
    El Younossi, Mohamed
    Flannigan, Jake*
    Forster, Fraser Gerard*
    Gallagher, Samuel James*
    Gunn, Angus Fraser James*
    Hojbjerg, Pierre Emile Kordt
    Ings, Daniel William John*
    Lemina, Mario Rene Junior
    Long, Shane Patrick*
    McCarthy, Alex Simon*
    Redmond, Nathan Daniel Jerome*
    Rose, Jack Joseph*
    Stephens, Jack*
    Targett, Matthew Robert*
    Vestergaard, Jannik
    Vidal, Oriol Romeu
    Ward-Prowse, James Michael Edward*
    Yoshida, Maya

    U21 players (Contracts and Scholars)
    Afolabi, Jonathan
    Agbontohoma, David Osaretim
    Bartlett, Daniel Grahame
    Bradley Green, Jamie
    Braithwaite, Benjamin Smales
    Brennan, Sean Anthony
    Burnett, Ethan Darren
    Bycroft, Jack Thomas
    Cluett, Ryan
    Cull, Alexander
    Davis, Harrison
    Defise, Lucas Nsiona K
    Ferry, William
    Fleary, Taymar
    Freeman, Kieran
    Glean, Rio Kamil
    Hale, Harlem
    Hamblin, Harry Mark
    Hansen, Kornelius Normann
    Idowu, Roland
    Jankewitz, Alexandre Tounde Dimitri
    Johnson, Tyreke Martin
    Jones, Alfie
    Keogh, Seamas
    Klarer, Christoph
    Kozak, Simon
    Kpohomouh, Pascal
    Latham, Kingsley Finn
    Ledwidge, Kameron Malcolm
    Lewis, Harry Charles John
    Mdlalose, Siphesihle Thembinkosi
    Morris, James William
    Nlundulu, Dan
    Norton, Christian Anthony
    Obafemi, Michael Oluwadurotimi
    O'Connor, Thomas James
    O'Driscoll, Aaron
    Olufunwa, Oludare Samuel Araba
    Ramsay, Kayne
    Robise, Enzo
    Rowthorn, Ben John
    Saunders, Michael
    Sims, Joshua Samuel
    Slattery, Callum
    Smallbone, William Anthony Patrick
    Tchaptchet, Wandja Allan
    Tella, Nathan
    Valery, Yan
    Vokins, Jake
    Watts, Caleb Cassius
    Watts, Callum Neil

    74 players in total (23+51).

    Omitted - over 21s who are out on loan (the four U21s who are out on loan are listed in the U21 list: Rowthorn, Latham, Mdlalose, Davis)
    Alves Soares, Cedric Ricardo
    Hoedt, Wesley
    Davis, Steven*
    Carrillo, Guido Marcelo
    Boufal, Sofiane
    Clasie, Jordy
    Reed, Harrison James*
    Hesketh, Jake Alexander*
    McQueen, Samuel James*
    Last edited by Over land and sea; 01-02-2019 at 06:11 PM. Reason: Add link to PDF version

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