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    Quote Originally Posted by northam soul View Post
    I think I am more disappointed we haven’t managed to get rid of a couple of wage drainers
    I can still see Fraser leaving to a european club.

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    Quote Originally Posted by northam soul View Post
    I think I am more disappointed we haven’t managed to get rid of a couple of wage drainers
    Still possible we could.

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    who said our signing are cack?
    Certainly not me........but please, let us know

    cheers
    So theyíre blowing us away with average signings are they? You canít have it both ways, theyíre either blowing us away and getting top players in, or blowing us away by paying over the odds, which one is it.




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    Personally I don't understand this signing. We already have goal hanging tap-in merchants in Austin and Gabbi. Isn't he just more of the same?

    If we were going to sign a striker, don't we need one offering pace, skills and genuine creativity? That or a powerhouse to hold the ball up and play long to. If Ings offers those facets then I'm happy, but not sure he does. Anyone able to enlighten me?

    I've heard the clamour for a new striker, but I ask again, who the hell is going to create the chances for all these strikers? Redmond and Mohamed Elyounoussi? Blimey. Who is the option when they are not doing it? JWP and Sims?
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    Quote Originally Posted by S-Clarke View Post
    It's seems more clear by the day that FFP is totally holding us back right now (with all these huge contracts). I don't believe we've not got any money to spend, we just aren't allowed to.

    That's why FFP has always been an utter farce in my opinion. What is fair about not letting the 'smaller' teams strengthen their squads? How is that levelling the playing fields?

    The clubs with money can just happily fliter cash away anyway, breach FFP and then pay - to them - the tiny fine. Joke.
    Why would FFP be holding us back when it's assessed season by season with an additional £7m + commercial and player trading revenue being added to the club wage cap each season? We've just gotten rid of two of our biggest earners in Tadic and VVD, and the likes of Elyounoussi, Armstrong, Vestergaard and Gunn are hardly going to command similar wages to established PL performers (especially as only one of those was actually a first choice player for his previous team).

    We've been bought by an owner who seemingly can't get his money out of China, but for some reason nobody wants to believe that the club are constrained in capital expenditure, and that the problem must lie in the murky, opaque world of FFP. Looking at the recent ownership history of the club I find it far easier to believe that we're being managed to a strict acquisition budget rather than we're simply hamstrung by a wage cap that seemingly doesn't affect any club of a similar stature.

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    Can still ship them out to European clubs it's only the PL window that closed today...not that I hold much hope that will happen though
    Quote Originally Posted by northam soul View Post
    I think I am more disappointed we havenít managed to get rid of a couple of wage drainers
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chez View Post
    Personally I don't understand this signing. We already have goal hanging tap-in merchants in Austin and Gabbi. Isn't he just more of the same?

    If we were going to sign a striker, don't we need one offering pace, skills and genuine creativity? That or a powerhouse to hold the ball up and play long to.

    I've heard the clamour for a new striker, but I ask again, who the hell is going to create the chances for all these strikers? Redmond and Mohamed Elyounoussi? Blimey. Who is the option when they are not doing it? JWP and Sims?
    I agree. Much prefer we just stick with Gallagher and give him a chance

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    Quote Originally Posted by mulletsaint View Post
    If itís a loan deal I donít have an issue with this. His injury record makes it a huge risk otherwise. I will say that this deal does kinda put the myth of the black box out to pasture once and for all.
    Reckon the Black Box was probably responsible for Elyounoussi to be fair.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Duckhunter View Post
    So they’re blowing us away with average signings are they? You can’t have it both ways, they’re either blowing us out the water and getting top players in, or blowing us out of the water by paying over the odds, which one is it.




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    I made no comment on the quality of their signings...not sure why you have decided otherwise

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    If itís a loan deal I donít have an issue with this. His injury record makes it a huge risk otherwise. I will say that this deal does kinda put the myth of the black box out to pasture once and for all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by S-Clarke View Post
    He's not a truly awful footballer though is he. Carrillo was. Heck, even Boufal was most of the time as he couldn't be arsed.

    Even your mate, who you were sure was being sold, has been pretty awful for us.
    Indeed. I think people have forgotten already how genuinely terrible many of our players were last year. Imagine if we had signed ings in January most people would be very happy that we were trying literally anything else than having to watch that turgid cack for a second longer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by northam soul View Post
    I think I am more disappointed we havenít managed to get rid of a couple of wage drainers
    Very good point. It will be painful to all concerned having to sign Forster's monthly wage cheque. Maybe we will have injuries in that department and then he will come in handy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by verlaine1979 View Post
    Why would FFP be holding us back when it's assessed season by season with an additional £7m + commercial and player trading revenue being added to the club wage cap each season? We've just gotten rid of two of our biggest earners in Tadic and VVD, and the likes of Elyounoussi, Armstrong, Vestergaard and Gunn are hardly going to command similar wages to established PL performers (especially as only one of those was actually a first choice player for his previous team).

    We've been bought by an owner who seemingly can't get his money out of China, but for some reason nobody wants to believe that the club are constrained in capital expenditure, and that the problem must lie in the murky, opaque world of FFP. Looking at the recent ownership history of the club I find it far easier to believe that we're being managed to a strict acquisition budget rather than we're simply hamstrung by a wage cap that seemingly doesn't affect any club of a similar stature.

    Agree. Bit of a red herring.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Batman View Post
    I made no comment on the quality of their signings...not sure why you have decided otherwise
    So how are they blowing us away then.

    If you donít know how good they are, how can you decide theyíre blowing us away, they could be useless. That would be like saying we blew our rivals away when we signed Carrillo.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Duckhunter View Post
    So how are they blowing us away then.

    If you don’t know how good they are, how can you decide they’re blowing us away, they could be useless. That would be like saying we blew our rivals away when we signed Carrillo.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Batman View Post
    Everton sign Mina from Barcelona
    I am a bit jealous of that one, unfortunately. Obviously they've paid a big fee for him, but hoped that if he did move to the PL it wouldn't be to Everton.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chez View Post
    Personally I don't understand this signing. We already have goal hanging tap-in merchants in Austin and Gabbi. Isn't he just more of the same?

    If we were going to sign a striker, don't we need one offering pace, skills and genuine creativity? That or a powerhouse to hold the ball up and play long to. If Ings offers those facets then I'm happy, but not sure he does. Anyone able to enlighten me?

    I've heard the clamour for a new striker, but I ask again, who the hell is going to create the chances for all these strikers? Redmond and Mohamed Elyounoussi? Blimey. Who is the option when they are not doing it? JWP and Sims?
    After his first season in the Premier League, I would say he offered similar to Shane Long, in that he hassles defenders and has pace, but also decent control and an eye for goal. But I'm not sure what the injuries have taken out of him, we saw with Rodriguez how it's not just pace that you can lose but just a general sharpness or acceleration.

    I think we'll see a player who isn't better at any one thing than our current crop of strikers, but might have more of an all-round game. Here's hoping anyway.

    Oh, and I agree with your last line - another striker is better than nothing, but the biggest weakness was surely a creative player.

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    did any of the non-top 6 sides lose their best players?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Batman View Post
    did any of the non-top 6 sides lose their best players?
    Chelsea lost the GK

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    Someone will end up like QPR - a few teams have signed a load of big names for big money but will they gel as a team? One of them will flop massively.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heisenberg View Post
    Chelsea lost the GK
    Mahrez to city was one

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    Quote Originally Posted by Batman View Post
    did any of the non-top 6 sides lose their best players?
    Watford lost Richarlison, although he’s been dreadful since November.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Batman View Post
    did any of the non-top 6 sides lose their best players?
    No. I think you are right. Shows that the spending power of the league as a whole is at a stratospheric level. Plus fair play and wages are squeezing the options at the top 6 to use extra buying power.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrfahaji View Post
    I am a bit jealous of that one, unfortunately. Obviously they've paid a big fee for him, but hoped that if he did move to the PL it wouldn't be to Everton.
    We will see not convinced of his defending but he can score a few up other end maybe bit like our new cb

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    Quote Originally Posted by Batman View Post
    did any of the non-top 6 sides lose their best players?
    Leicester lost their best player.

    Watford lost theirs in Richarlison - don't think they spent any of that fee either...? (might be wrong)

    Think that's it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Batman View Post
    Mahrez to city was one
    Sorry misread your post. Yeah Mahrez and Tadic

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heisenberg View Post
    Sorry misread your post. Yeah Mahrez and Tadic
    Tadic has become our best player now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by verlaine1979 View Post
    Why would FFP be holding us back when it's assessed season by season with an additional £7m + commercial and player trading revenue being added to the club wage cap each season? We've just gotten rid of two of our biggest earners in Tadic and VVD, and the likes of Elyounoussi, Armstrong, Vestergaard and Gunn are hardly going to command similar wages to established PL performers (especially as only one of those was actually a first choice player for his previous team).

    We've been bought by an owner who seemingly can't get his money out of China, but for some reason nobody wants to believe that the club are constrained in capital expenditure, and that the problem must lie in the murky, opaque world of FFP. Looking at the recent ownership history of the club I find it far easier to believe that we're being managed to a strict acquisition budget rather than we're simply hamstrung by a wage cap that seemingly doesn't affect any club of a similar stature.


    We have no idea who our big earners are or what our new signings are earning you're just making assumptions and taking guesses on what players are earning.



    I've seen PL teams wages published all over the internet and no two sites ever agree with each other either on individual players or team wage bills. As an example on the Forster thread alone we had people claiming he is earning 100, 95, 90 and 60k a week.

    I'm not saying your wrong or right but your argument would hold more water I you could provide a detailed break down of our squads wages.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saint_Ash View Post
    Tadic has become our best player now?
    Without a doubt. Most assists in last 4 seasons.

    Scored a few goals too.

    He was without question one of our best players.

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    We probably still have some powder dry for January.

    My hunch is that we were after Wellbeck but our inability to shift Forster & Co put the kibosh on it for salary budget or transfer kitty reasons.

    That forced us into a late deal for Ings because the club knew we had to do something up front.

    Not ideal but nowhere near the sh*tshow some are suggesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pamplemousse View Post
    Someone will end up like QPR - a few teams have signed a load of big names for big money but will they gel as a team? One of them will flop massively.
    If you don't invest in your team you'll eventually come unstuck, teams not investing are going to be left behind the way it's going. You can only tread water for so long I'm afraid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saints1976 View Post
    If you don't invest in your team you'll eventually come unstuck, teams not investing are going to be left behind the way it's going. You can only tread water for so long I'm afraid.

    You have to invest in the right players though as we and many other teams ,outside the big six, has shown spending big money on the wrong players is just as damaging as not spending.

    There are an awful lot of average players going for a lot of money and while the big clubs can soak up a couple of flops it can kill smaller PL teams.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heisenberg View Post
    Without a doubt. Most assists in last 4 seasons.

    Scored a few goals too.

    He was without question one of our best players.
    Ah right, one of them, yes. Thought you meant our best player.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saint_Ash View Post
    Ah right, one of them, yes. Thought you meant our best player.
    Best would be a tough pick nowadays

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    See Brighton ended up signing RB Martin Montoya from Valencia - wasn't he nailed on to be going to Fulham a couple of days ago?

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    Fulham sign Vietto

    Cardiff sign Arter
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    Quote Originally Posted by Batman View Post
    Fulham sign Vietto

    Cardiff sign Arter
    as in Harry the Bournemouth player?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gorgiesaint View Post
    See Brighton ended up signing RB Martin Montoya from Valencia - wasn't he nailed on to be going to Fulham a couple of days ago?
    There was mention of us being interested to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by angelman View Post
    Danny Ings has quite a similar record to Shane Long.

    Didn't Ings and Austin have a phenomenal partnership in the Championship?
    I'm hoping it turns out to be more Pelle and Mane rather than Dixon and Speedie.

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    Expert Sky pundit saying terrific business for Chelsea to keep Hazard. Does he know that Real Madrid have a few more weeks to nab him? Comical lack of knowledge.

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    Happy with Ings. Happy with anything TBH

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    Quote Originally Posted by whelk View Post
    Happy with Ings. Happy with anything TBH
    Desperation?

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    IMO we come out of the window with a better squad than last year and a better manager who has shown that he can galvanize the players to perform.

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    Fulham sign Fosu-Mensa from man united

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    Let's assume this is the last of my three posts, but it's interesting that we're not the only club doing last minute deals. Like the Quinoa one to Watford, it's clubs trying to get more for their players and then realising that the buying clubs have set their own value and aren't going beyond it.

    I think that's what has happened with us. Ings has a value to us, but not Liverpool's valuation. I'm more pleased we haven't lost JWP and Targett, who might get a few more assists with some more effective strikers playing in a more attackingly ambitious team.

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    Ings confirmed. Good grief.


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    Quote Originally Posted by DT View Post
    Ings confirmed. Good grief.


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    I notice Lemina's still here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by S-Clarke View Post
    I notice Lemina's still here.
    And Cedric.

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    Quote Originally Posted by S-Clarke View Post
    I notice Lemina's still here.
    Condition of deal is first pick on Lemina for Liverpool. OBVS


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    How do Fulham manage to spend over £100m in these days of having to adhere to FFP rules........?

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