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    Everton have simply outclassed us today, too fast n too strong and 2-1 probably did flatter us.

    Better 2nd half but Everton completely dominated after we scored.

    A predictable but disappointing day.

    Defense (CBs especially) absolutely horrible

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    Very poor and quite worrying.

    We can't pass the ball and keep possession in attack.

    The Manager has no idea of his best team or formation despite a full pre season. Poor subs also lost us momentum. More strikers doesn't mean more likely to create and score.

    Utterly woeful in defence.

    Ings the only positive today. Need to get a settled side and system. No chance of top 10 as Hughes stated is the aim.

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    2nd to every header
    2nd to every tackle
    2nd in terms of energy

    But a more promising second half, however I never want to see Stephens and Hoedt play again.

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    Our tactic of not turning up until the 2nd half needs looking at.

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    If we had Vestergaard in the team, I don't think we would've lost that.

    Everton were the better team but we caused them problems, better teams will beat them.

    More worried about Leicester, they look the complete package.

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    We have paid for a poor first half as Everton are no great shakes...

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    Not too disappointed, showed some fight against a strong side. Think we're a better side without Austin in the starting line up. JWP played well, as did Ings and Bertrand. Defensive lapses especially at set pieces are a worry. But again we started badly, and Hughes needs to work on the players focus.

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    Maybe not start with the 4th and 5th best CBs and go from there.

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    We will always give ourselves a mountain to climb with our back 4, so we've kind of lost to sides like this before we even start. Good rally in the 2nd half to get back into it, but as was the case for a lot of last season, we gave ourselves too much to do.

    Ings will get goals and adds some serious energy into our side, which has been lacking. Romeu still looks a shaddow of the player he was, Lemina still flatters to decieve and Stephens and Hoedt are still dreadful individually, let alone as a partnership.

    So, as with last week, a better 2nd half after a poor first half. Always on the edge with the back 4. Need to actually try to play 90 mins next week, and hopefully no more Hoedt.

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    Very poor team selection and even worse subs. How we can continue to give these two centre backs games is beyond me. They're ****ing awful and everyone surely knows it by now

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    Much better second half.

    Vesterguard back and no Vardy for Leicester next week and I'm more optimistic

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Bateman View Post
    2nd to every header
    2nd to every tackle
    2nd in terms of energy

    But a more promising second half, however I never want to see Stephens and Hoedt play again.
    Got a feeling that you are going to be disappointed.

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    We were awful for the majority of that game. Everton didn't even have to be good. Our defence is so easy to play against.

    Lemina, Stephens, Romeu, Hoedt all had shockers today, so it is no wonder why we struggled defensively so much.

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    Meh. Wholly predictable with Hughes as Manager.

    We look alright going forward, but we're never going to score more than the other side with the way we defend. We could have easily conceded 6 in both games we've played.

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    Performance of the day. Everyone in the match thread. Our top troll was fishing for bites all game and got nothing. What a mare!

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    Jesus, this forum sucks the soul out of you. More attacking threat than we've seen in the previous two years away to Everton where we NEVER win. The big V back, try Ings and Gabbi from kick-off and start with the intensity we had in the second half and we'll be fine.

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    Just want to see a manager know his best team and play it regularly. That's all. It's been several years now.

    Hughes just seems utterly all over the place.

    Not concerned player quality wise, loads weren't available or picked today. Why Austin and Redmond play I've no idea, and Lemina, while a very good player, is poor for us.

    I really want to see this team player for a couple of months and have a chance to get.

    McCarthy
    Cedric Yoshi Vesterguard Bertrand
    Romeu Armstrong Hojbjerg
    Gabbiadini Ings Mo

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    Quote Originally Posted by Winchester Red View Post
    Much better second half.

    Vesterguard back and no Vardy for Leicester next week and I'm more optimistic
    Armstrong & Moi hopefully back to 100% too & they were among our better players last week.

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    Depressing that we are being managed by a witless idiot.
    When a saints manager makes three moves that actually make Everton more comfortable you've either got to be worried about his tactical acumen or whether he wants everton to win.
    When you think that Leeds managed to attract Bielsa in the division below and we've got sir hump a lot in charge.

    At least Ings got his first goal & we've got vestergaard to come back.

    Please let that be Long's last game & i used to be supportive of him. Loan him out now.

    Everton were there for a taking too.

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    Defeat at Everton is never a surprise but the spine of our midfield & defence is a worry. We will be better with Vestergaard & Moi back available.

    Positives:
    Ings
    Ings getting off the mark
    Combining Saints inevitable defeat at Everon with our inevitable defeat when I'm in Cornwall saves one game we can get points from
    Ings

    Negatives
    Hoedt
    Stephens
    Hoedt & Stephens together
    Centre midfield

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    Just leaving the ground. Same story as last week, opposition should have been 3 or 4 up by half time. Unless things improve drastically I won't be wasting my money watching that shower of **** this season. 2nd to absolutely everything. Couldn't deal with a number of Everton players so resorted to dirty tactics. Hoedt and Stephens were poor. Again, Ings looks like the only bit of class that we have.

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    Ref taking no chances in that match great shepherding of play for the ref associatiion accumulator pot.

    Moments of good play from Saints, Shane long on changed the game as players reverted to being tempted by long ball when we were in ascendancy, second to every ball in the air and we just kept doing it over and over.. Wrong sub - Gabbi should have come on first then Long if we could nick it when they would be forced to come at us. Ah well we weren’t expecting to win that one and Everton look better than they have in ages.

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    Poor first half better second but I thought the ref gave them EVERYTHING, They never got 1 yellow card did they ?

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    I see all the anti Hughes folk are coming out of the woodwork now. Bit odd.

    He's not the problem, it's players like Hoedt who are the problem.

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    Only woke up in the second half again. Can't keep on like that.

    Unlucky with injuries/illness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Winchester Red View Post
    Much better second half.

    Vesterguard back and no Vardy for Leicester next week and I'm more optimistic
    Armstrong & Moi hopefully back to 100% too & they were among our better players last week.

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    After a few deep breaths, I would say we are better than last season, need players to get fitter, 442 is so much better for the players we have currently, Hughes needs to figure out his first 11, and why on earth can we not start until the 2nd half?

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    Pretty inept all round. An amateurish shambles in the first half, and then, after we'd looked bright for 15 minutes of the second half, Hughes killed all momentum with his substitutions.

    We barely touched the ball afterwards.

    At least Ings got something out of the game: a goal, and Pickford making the first incisions on getting his tramp stamp removed.

    I really don't know where we are - more worryingly, I don't think Hughes does either. I suspect it's going to be another bleak season of struggle.

    Not many early promising signs.

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    Everything just looked wrong imo.
    Poor team selection, poor tactics, poor passing, dreadful tackling where we were lucky not to have players sent off. Poor finishing and a non existent midfield.
    Second half was an improvement until we scored. After that the subs/tactical changes killed our momentum.
    I fail to see what Hughes was trying to do for this game. He talked about us coming in with confidence after getting a point at home to Burnley. I didn't see that. I saw a seriously ill disciplined un-professional display where nobody was willing to take charge and show some leadership. The defence was all over the place except for Cedric.

    We move onto the next one but no doubt we will get the excuses in ie Everton spent loads of money blah blah. Was just a really awful performance from us. We don't seem to have learned anything from the past two seasons.

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    Vestergaard and yoshida in at CB will help immensely I think. Armstrong, Elyounoussi back in as well.

    Comedy defending at times from the centre back pairing. They would struggle to get in the starting 11 for the Blind football championships. Maybe a bell inside the ball would help hoedt track the direction of the Ball in future games?

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    That 9.2 finish seems pretty far off atm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by S-Clarke View Post
    I see all the anti Hughes folk are coming out of the woodwork now. Bit odd.

    He's not the problem, it's players like Hoedt who are the problem.
    Same people who likely shuffled around him like starry-eyed kids at the fans forum, meekly thanking him.

    Our fans are absolute weirdos.

    And yes about Hoedt. Hughes is to blame for picking him, but Id like to think hes half sensible to have learned from Hoedts performances and putting in alongside Stephens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by S-Clarke View Post
    I see all the anti Hughes folk are coming out of the woodwork now. Bit odd.

    He's not the problem, it's players like Hoedt who are the problem.
    Really, really weird how the same few posters insist on not blaming our players at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by S-Clarke View Post
    I see all the anti Hughes folk are coming out of the woodwork now. Bit odd.

    He's not the problem, it's players like Hoedt who are the problem.
    So was Pellegrino the problem last season, or the players?

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    Quote Originally Posted by shurlock View Post
    That 9.2 finish seems pretty far off atm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by S-Clarke View Post
    I see all the anti Hughes folk are coming out of the woodwork now. Bit odd.

    He's not the problem, it's players like Hoedt who are the problem.
    It’s mainly Jeff. Not many others from what I can see?

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    You'll be hard pressed to see two worse defences this season,both teams woeful at the back. Should've been a point we had some very good chances in front of goal.
    Hoedt must have a clause in his contract that if he's fit he plays.
    Very worrying that it's taking us 50+mins to start playing .
    Good to see Prowsey get a good run out,one of our better players today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by simo View Post
    Poor first half better second but I thought the ref gave them EVERYTHING, They never got 1 yellow card did they ?
    That was because our defenders gave away 6 set piece fouls in the first 14 mins.Terrible.

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    MOTM poll?

    Ings surely

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unbelievable Jeff View Post
    So was Pellegrino the problem last season, or the players?
    I think we do year on year off mate

    2016/17 Players fault (not Puel)
    2017/18 Pellegrino fault (not players)
    2018/19 Players fault (not Hughes)

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    Hoedt is absolutely pathetic, wouldn’t care if he never played for us again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pamplemousse View Post
    MOTM poll?

    Ings surely
    Probably. Cedric was decent too.

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    why are we so crap in the first half of games??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unbelievable Jeff View Post
    So was Pellegrino the problem last season, or the players?
    The players were a huge issue last season, let's not devoid them of any blame and say it was all because the poor little flowers didn't like MP. MP didn't help though as he was pretty meek.

    Hoedt, Stephens, Romeu, Austin, JWP, Cedric, Bertrand, Lemina, Gabbiadini, Long - all struggled last year because they're all limited footballers if we're honest. We play again with the same crap as last year and we have a similar result, so for me the main blame lies with our recruitment from the last few years, some of the fee's we've splashed out on absolute garbage has been horrific.

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    Why is Mo....hamed referred to by everyone as Moi?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pamplemousse View Post
    Really, really weird how the same few posters insist on not blaming our players at all.
    The players aren't perfect but i'm not willing to excuse a manager who's tactics seem to be lump it , kick the opposition & if we are losing throw attackers on losing any faint control of the ball we may have had.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shurlock View Post
    It’s mainly Jeff. Not many others from what I can see?
    And it's not just out of the woodwork. I have been consistently boring on this front since he was brought in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heisenberg View Post
    I think we do year on year off mate

    2016/17 Players fault (not Puel)
    2017/18 Pellegrino fault (not players)
    2018/19 Players fault (not Hughes)
    There was no reason to blame anyone in 16-17, we achieved our aim.

    17-18 was the manager, the players and, principally, the board/recruitment department.

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    Stupid to vacate the midfield and give Everton the early advantage.

    Austin offers nothing as a starter away from home.

    Ings looked good.

    Shane Long has no technical ability.

    I lost count of how many times both Stephens and Hoedt were facing away from our goal and caught by a ball over the top instead of being on the half turn.

    Going 4 up top completely wrecked the balance of the team.

    Overall, we need to play 3 in central midfield to get a toehold in games instead of gifting the opposition a head start.

    4-3-3, 4-2-3-1, 5-3-2 or 3-4-1-1. I don't care, anything to get some kind of control in the centre of the park.

    We can't expect to get any sort of control in a match until we try to win the midfield. both 4-4-2 and 3-4-3 leave us too open.

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