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    Quote Originally Posted by Dellman View Post
    Doubt he would get on with someone demanding a higher workrate, dont think Germans or Austrians go in for show ponies. Try the Latin countries, not us
    The 1970s called, they want their sweeping generalisations back.

    Out of interest who has the better work rate; Marko Arnautovic or Luis Suarez?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GGalpin View Post
    The 1970s called, they want their sweeping generalisations back.

    Out of interest who has the better work rate; Marko Arnautovic or Luis Suarez?
    Miroslav Klose has such a higher work rate than Arturo Vidal.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cabbage_Face View Post
    Myth, he does work hard. Just usual thick English football fans donít see it .


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    His work ethic wasnít the issue for me it was trying to do too much and be too clever with the ball and then being dispossessed.
    Wasting decent possession by trying to be world beater, rather than keeping it simple when obvious easier options were on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeBizzier69 View Post
    His work ethic wasnít the issue for me it was trying to do too much and be too clever with the ball and then being dispossessed.
    Wasting decent possession by trying to be world beater, rather than keeping it simple when obvious easier options were on.
    That comes with the correct coaching, and not what Hughes did.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cabbage_Face View Post
    That comes with the correct coaching, and not what Hughes did.


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    If he’s willing to learn then yes. The question is, is he - and is he capable of changing to become a team player.

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    Squad is poor, not sure where this myth comes from that this group of players is decent or even average. I believe a decent manager can get a little more out of the current lot, but not much more.


    So much deadwood, much more should have been done during the summer! We must wheel & deal a little in January to save our season and get in 3-4 players minimum- CB, CF, RB, WINGER in order of urgency. Wholesale changes needed in the summer.


    Everyone up for sale in my eyes, however need to get rid of the SELL & consider selling the FENCE is how I see it. Good luck Ralph, gonna need it!




    Keepers summary: Sound
    MCCARTHY- Keep
    GUNN- Keep & challenge
    FORSTER- Sell/loan if ANY takers
    What we need: n/a


    Fullbacks summary: Unchallenged
    CEDRIC- Sell
    VALERY- Keep & challenge
    BERTRAND- Keep if he wants to be here, sell if his hearts not in it
    TARGETT- Fence
    What we need: A right back that can defend. Sell Cedric & buy Clyne. Even if regressed, instant upgrade


    Centre halfs summary: Car crash
    STEPHENS- Keep & challenge
    BEDNAREK- Fence
    YOSHIDA- Fence
    HOEDT- Sell
    VESTERGAARD- Sell, been here 2 minutes but PL is just too quick for him
    What we need: A stop gap at with leadership skills at worst (Cahill), at best an intermediate raw VVD style player would be the attributes required.


    Central Midfield summary: Inconsistent
    ARMSTRONG- Keep
    LEMINA- Keep
    HOJBERG- Keep
    ROMEU- Fence
    JWP- Fence
    REED- Fence, consider recall if option
    DAVIS- Free, thanks for the great service
    What we need: Ok in this area, not priority unless a gem was available to displace a starter.


    Wingers summary: No end product
    REDMOND- Fence
    SIMS- Keep, recall
    ELYOUNOUSSI- Fence,
    What we need: Desperate for a pacey winger with even a little end product.


    Forwards summary: Chronically goal shy
    INGS- Keep
    OBAFEMI- Keep
    GALLAGHER- Fence
    GABBI- Fence
    LONG- Sell
    AUSTIN- Sell
    What we need: Desperate for a strong, mobile & dynamic centre forward that can challenge double figures





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    Quote Originally Posted by doggface View Post
    Squad is poor, not sure where this myth comes from that this group of players is decent or even average. I believe a decent manager can get a little more out of the current lot, but not much more.


    So much deadwood, much more should have been done during the summer! We must wheel & deal a little in January to save our season and get in 3-4 players minimum- CB, CF, RB, WINGER in order of urgency. Wholesale changes needed in the summer.


    Everyone up for sale in my eyes, however need to get rid of the SELL & consider selling the FENCE is how I see it. Good luck Ralph, gonna need it!




    Keepers summary: Sound
    MCCARTHY- Keep
    GUNN- Keep & challenge
    FORSTER- Sell/loan if ANY takers
    What we need: n/a


    Fullbacks summary: Unchallenged
    CEDRIC- Sell
    VALERY- Keep & challenge
    BERTRAND- Keep if he wants to be here, sell if his hearts not in it
    TARGETT- Fence
    What we need: A right back that can defend. Sell Cedric & buy Clyne. Even if regressed, instant upgrade


    Centre halfs summary: Car crash
    STEPHENS- Keep & challenge
    BEDNAREK- Fence
    YOSHIDA- Fence
    HOEDT- Sell
    VESTERGAARD- Sell, been here 2 minutes but PL is just too quick for him
    What we need: A stop gap at with leadership skills at worst (Cahill), at best an intermediate raw VVD style player would be the attributes required.


    Central Midfield summary: Inconsistent
    ARMSTRONG- Keep
    LEMINA- Keep
    HOJBERG- Keep
    ROMEU- Fence
    JWP- Fence
    REED- Fence, consider recall if option
    DAVIS- Free, thanks for the great service
    What we need: Ok in this area, not priority unless a gem was available to displace a starter.


    Wingers summary: No end product
    REDMOND- Fence
    SIMS- Keep, recall
    ELYOUNOUSSI- Fence,
    What we need: Desperate for a pacey winger with even a little end product.


    Forwards summary: Chronically goal shy
    INGS- Keep
    OBAFEMI- Keep
    GALLAGHER- Fence
    GABBI- Fence
    LONG- Sell
    AUSTIN- Sell
    What we need: Desperate for a strong, mobile & dynamic centre forward that can challenge double figures



    This is weird when you've not yet seen any of these players under Hassenhuttl.

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    Quote Originally Posted by doggface View Post
    Squad is poor, not sure where this myth comes from that this group of players is decent or even average. I believe a decent manager can get a little more out of the current lot, but not much more.


    So much deadwood, much more should have been done during the summer! We must wheel & deal a little in January to save our season and get in 3-4 players minimum- CB, CF, RB, WINGER in order of urgency. Wholesale changes needed in the summer.


    Everyone up for sale in my eyes, however need to get rid of the SELL & consider selling the FENCE is how I see it. Good luck Ralph, gonna need it!




    Keepers summary: Sound
    MCCARTHY- Keep
    GUNN- Keep & challenge
    FORSTER- Sell/loan if ANY takers
    What we need: n/a


    Fullbacks summary: Unchallenged
    CEDRIC- Sell
    VALERY- Keep & challenge
    BERTRAND- Keep if he wants to be here, sell if his hearts not in it
    TARGETT- Fence
    What we need: A right back that can defend. Sell Cedric & buy Clyne. Even if regressed, instant upgrade


    Centre halfs summary: Car crash
    STEPHENS- Keep & challenge
    BEDNAREK- Fence
    YOSHIDA- Fence
    HOEDT- Sell
    VESTERGAARD- Sell, been here 2 minutes but PL is just too quick for him
    What we need: A stop gap at with leadership skills at worst (Cahill), at best an intermediate raw VVD style player would be the attributes required.


    Central Midfield summary: Inconsistent
    ARMSTRONG- Keep
    LEMINA- Keep
    HOJBERG- Keep
    ROMEU- Fence
    JWP- Fence
    REED- Fence, consider recall if option
    DAVIS- Free, thanks for the great service
    What we need: Ok in this area, not priority unless a gem was available to displace a starter.


    Wingers summary: No end product
    REDMOND- Fence
    SIMS- Keep, recall
    ELYOUNOUSSI- Fence,
    What we need: Desperate for a pacey winger with even a little end product.


    Forwards summary: Chronically goal shy
    INGS- Keep
    OBAFEMI- Keep
    GALLAGHER- Fence
    GABBI- Fence
    LONG- Sell
    AUSTIN- Sell
    What we need: Desperate for a strong, mobile & dynamic centre forward that can challenge double figures



    I pretty much agree with this largely decent summary, however there are a couple minor factors missed...(a) what difference can RH make on some of our current players (including loanees) and (b) there are some players that don't have what it takes regardless of the managers ideas because basically they are not able to improve more in fitness or skill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by adriansfc View Post
    This is weird when you've not yet seen any of these players under Hassenhuttl.
    I don't think it's weird at all. We know the in's and out's of most of these players, a decent gaffer can only improve them a small percentage. You can't polish a turd.

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    Let's give RH a chance to polish them though. Who knows what he can unearth. He will be using this month to assess the squad and then bring in and move out during January.
    Exciting times.

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    I see potentially a big improvement in terms of goals from Redmond and also JWP if he plays the second space in the 4-2-2-2 formation. I'd actually bring back Boufal as well..........

    Central defense is my worry. Cahill as a short term option isn't the worst shout!

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    CB partnership is everything. It's far better to have two average defenders who know each others game and defend as a unit than better players who are completely lost together.

    If we sign a CB the most important thing is experience and being a leader. That's what we've missed. So Cahill fits that. I'm not sure Stephens or Bednarek are the way forward without a lot of training. Hoedt/Vesterguard is the best bet right now. Not convinced that Yoshida can improve now but hope I'm wrong. We definitely have too many players there that's for sure. Hoedt and Vesterguard are too expensive to shift, it'd be a big loss. Yoshida might be time to move on, one of Stephens or Bednarek could do with a loan where they play every week.

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    Get Cahill and Shawcross in to get us through to the summer
    Clyne back on loan would be a step up

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Fat Controller View Post
    Get Cahill and Shawcross in to get us through to the summer
    Clyne back on loan would be a step up
    With Ings on loan already from Liverpool, getting Clyne on loan won’t be an option because of the PL’s loan rules.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saint Albert View Post
    With Ings on loan already from Liverpool, getting Clyne on loan won’t be an option because of the PL’s loan rules.
    Presume Ings' transfer becomes permanent in January? given that it's compulsory and not an option to buy. Would seem unnecessary to wait until the summer to finalise it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Fat Controller View Post
    Get Cahill and Shawcross in to get us through to the summer
    Clyne back on loan would be a step up
    Shawcross!!?? What are you smoking? Worse than what we've got.

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    We can make Ings permanent in January then won’t affect loan

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cabbage_Face View Post
    I can see Boufal coming back. He didn't get on with Hughes.
    He did bugger all under Puel or MoPe either. He's a show off with a bad attitude.

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    Look man I hope we poul some transfers out the bag.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cabbage_Face View Post
    Look man I hope we poul some transfers out the bag.


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    Got the link to him? I'm assuming you mean the Danish striker who played under Ralph before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Fat Controller View Post
    We can make Ings permanent in January then won’t affect loan
    Doubt we’d want to commit to paying them earlier.
    It’s all rather moot as I don’t see Liverpool loaning clyne after Gomez just got crocked.

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    Just chucked a cheeky bet on Lookman Loan and Poulsen coming in Jan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Fat Controller View Post
    We can make Ings permanent in January then won’t affect loan
    Anyone with an once of understanding of finances and ffp will know that there is no possibility of making the transfer permanent before the summer

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cabbage_Face View Post
    Just chucked a cheeky bet on Lookman Loan and Poulsen coming in Jan.
    While i’d Like Lookman loan, the fact he’s starting or coming off the bench for Everton argues against it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stevy777_x View Post
    Anyone with an once of understanding of finances and ffp will know that there is no possibility of making the transfer permanent before the summer
    Wasn't it announced at the time it would be completed permanently in January? Did I imagine that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by adriansfc View Post
    Wasn't it announced at the time it would be completed permanently in January? Did I imagine that?
    Thought they said end of the season.

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    Team I'd love to see after January (ambitious).

    McCarthy
    Cedric Cahill Vesterguard Bertrand
    Hojbjerg Lemina
    Armstrong T. Hazard
    Ings Redmond

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    Quote Originally Posted by doggface View Post
    I don't think it's weird at all. We know the in's and out's of most of these players, a decent gaffer can only improve them a small percentage. You can't polish a turd.
    The way a team can play can be far better than the sum total of it’s individual players. Burnley last season, Bournemouth this season, Leicester winning the league etc.
    That’s what the right manager can bring, formation, tactics, system, fitness, belief, confidence etc.
    We aren’t going to sell ten and bring five in in January - we are fundamentally going to have to turn things around with what we have got here now. I’m sure the club will have faith that he is the right man to do this, and he will find away to get us winning.
    I Hope!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baird of the land View Post
    Doubt we’d want to commit to paying them earlier.
    It’s all rather moot as I don’t see Liverpool loaning clyne after Gomez just got crocked.
    For Ings? We've already committed to that, makes little difference if it's now or summer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lighthouse View Post
    For Ings? We've already committed to that, makes little difference if it's now or summer.
    Dunno, whats the interest on 20m quid sitting in our account for 6 months make?

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    Quote Originally Posted by skintsaint View Post
    Dunno, whats the interest on 20m quid sitting in our account for 6 months make?
    Do you think we are going to hand over £20m in the summer?

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    Please let Ralph be desperate to sign Seb Haller...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Batman View Post
    Do you think we are going to hand over £20m in the summer?
    Even half that amount then...?

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    I shudder at the thought of Cahill being some kind of saviour. He's not very good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chez View Post
    I shudder at the thought of Cahill being some kind of saviour. He's not very good.
    But better than anything we have at CB, which says a lot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chez View Post
    I shudder at the thought of Cahill being some kind of saviour. He's not very good.

    I'd rather have him for six months than Hoedt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baird of the land View Post
    It’s all rather moot as I don’t see Liverpool loaning clyne after Gomez just got crocked.
    Clyne still fails to make the squad even when Alexander-Arnold is rested. Is he injured...again?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chez View Post
    Clyne still fails to make the squad even when Alexander-Arnold is rested. Is he injured...again?
    Yeah, he has problem with his nose. *sniff sniff*

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    Given our likely league position in January I think we are going to struggle to find any decent players in Jan. Last season we missed out on Walcott and Promes most likely because they didn't want to tie themselves to a sinking rock could well be the same this January.

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    Quote Originally Posted by doddisalegend View Post
    Given our likely league position in January I think we are going to struggle to find any decent players in Jan. Last season we missed out on Walcott and Promes most likely because they didn't want to tie themselves to a sinking rock could well be the same this January.
    With all due respect there is no 'could be' about it - it is a certainty that come Jan we will still be propping up the league. I think the real decision that he club will have to make at that point is whether we are trading to stay in the premiership or trading in preparation for leaving the premiership. The latter is probably the more realistic.

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    we realistically need a quality central defender, creative midfielder, pace from wide and a striker... not gonna happen. Goa won’t spend as he hasn’t the cash. Relegation will hopefully screw him over and teach him to get involved in something he’s clueless about.
    The problem is that non playing staff will lose their jobs, this down to the complete incompetence of reed, Wilson and Krueger. Kat Liebherr has completely done us good and proper.

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    Get five Germans/Bundesliga pros in who know the system, across each area of the team.

    Although I'll presume he selected Vestergaard for that reason today. He'll learn*.

    *RH will learn. Vestergaard is sh ite.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Micky View Post
    With all due respect there is no 'could be' about it - it is a certainty that come Jan we will still be propping up the league. I think the real decision that he club will have to make at that point is whether we are trading to stay in the premiership or trading in preparation for leaving the premiership. The latter is probably the more realistic.
    I suspect there is going to be a bloody long look at our liabilities for next season over the next week or so. 10 points from 18 games is not going to inspire the chairman to spend more money we dont have. A £40m parachute payment falls a long way short of the £120m we get from the Premiership this year. Adding to that wage bill further in January is not going to be something any business would want to do.

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    Can only see a difficult and frustrating window. We have alot of deadwood which needs cleared out but good luck getting interest in players on inflated wages/struggling for form. Ideally we need to clear out as much of the following but would be surprised if any leave on fees. Maybe get a few loaned out

    Forster
    Yoshida
    Hoedt
    Romeu
    Davis
    Austin
    Long

    Similarly who is going to want to join a club fighting relegation, we found that out last January. Ideally we need two CB, one AMF, one CF. Be surprised to see more than two players coming in (preferably a CB and a CF). Just have to believe RH can transform the current crop of players

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chez View Post
    I suspect there is going to be a bloody long look at our liabilities for next season over the next week or so. 10 points from 18 games is not going to inspire the chairman to spend more money we dont have. A £40m parachute payment falls a long way short of the £120m we get from the Premiership this year. Adding to that wage bill further in January is not going to be something any business would want to do.
    Agree entirely. Those people who think it's just a matter of buying in a couple of players in January are wrong in my opinion. Also, the January window is notoriously difficult for getting good quality over the line. Do you back the manager with money (that perhaps you don't have) or just hope that we have enough quality already.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CB Fry View Post
    Get five Germans/Bundesliga pros in who know the system, across each area of the team.

    Although I'll presume he selected Vestergaard for that reason today. He'll learn*.

    *RH will learn. Vestergaard is sh ite.
    That's fine in theory, except:

    -they won't come cheap
    -will be difficult to prise them away from their clubs
    -will they want to come into a relegation dogfight in a new country; not the most exciting prospect is it?
    - worryingly, Vestergaard was highly rated, and someone posted some stats as to his clearances, blockages etc at his previous club, and from that you would'nt expect the nervous wreck we have deeloped him into.

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    Blackburn back in for Gallagher - apparently

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    according to the Daily Mail, Victor Moses is available for £12m.

    that could potentially be decent, versatile as he could replace Cedric or even play as a right winger with that much needed pace.

    if Cahill is also available on loan, then I wouldn't mind that.

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    If Cahill is up for loan we need to go all out for him. A decent centre back and leader, two things we are lacking

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