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    Going to be interesting as itís obvious the players are going to be tired from last night.

    Our captain will return which is great news and it would be nice for Cedric to make an appearance too.
    I personally would play Jack Stephens in Romeu role and put a couple of young front runners that will keep some pressure on the City back four.

    McCarthy
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    Vestergaard
    Bederack (canít spell it I know)
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    Moore/Obi/Barnes
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    Fernandinho still a major doubt. Jesus could be back for them. I'd expect Silva to start for them.

    Imagine we will rotate a fair few players.

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    Yoshida's off to the Asia Cup shortly. Anyone know when?

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    Default Saints v City build up

    Defeat

    As teams like our current outfit donít win 3 in a row, city wonít lose 3 on the bounce

    We are going to have to make a few changes
    Hoj, long should deffo come in at least
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    Quote Originally Posted by devonsaint View Post
    Yoshida's off to the Asia Cup shortly. Anyone know when?
    I heard it's after Chelsea

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pilchards View Post
    Going to be interesting as itís obvious the players are going to be tired from last night.

    Our captain will return which is great news and it would be nice for Cedric to make an appearance too.
    I personally would play Jack Stephens in Romeu role and put a couple of young front runners that will keep some pressure on the City back four.

    McCarthy
    Cedric
    Vestergaard
    Bederack (canít spell it I know)
    Yoshi
    Targett
    Stephens
    Hoijberg
    Moore/Obi/Barnes
    Ings
    Redmond
    Doubt we'll see Cedric. Could put Stephens in at RB. Obafemi definitely out too.

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    I fear we could get the backlash after two defeats on the trot for City.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toomer View Post
    I fear we could get the backlash after two defeats on the trot for City.
    Exactly & this is definitely the sort of game that you don't want to be going in with a days less rest than them either.

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    Obafemi has another hamstring problem - out for 2 weeks https://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/17...m/?ref=mr&lp=1

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    ?thrased?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toomer View Post
    I fear we could get the backlash after two defeats on the trot for City.
    They say things happen in 3’s so we can always hope............we can always also hope that with them having such a prolonged winning run, this strange happening of losing twice might play on their minds and make them play with a bit more caution.
    Be nice to see a repeat of the last time we thought we would reap the full force of the table topping team beaten soundly the previous weekend 5-0..............need to stop drinking really.

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    All the pressure is on City, must win game for them. Absolutely no pressure on us at all

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    Hopefully we can keep the goal difference respectable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pilchards View Post
    Bederack (canít spell it I know)
    Hoijberg
    Moore/Barnes
    Google them then!

    Bednarek
    Hojbjerg

    Who is Moore?

    Barnes is not registered in the Premier League squad so cannot play.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matthew Le God View Post
    Google them then!

    Bednarek
    Hojbjerg

    Who is Moore?

    Barnes is not registered in the Premier League squad so cannot play.
    Moore Elyounoussi, obvs

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperSAINT View Post
    Moore Elyounoussi, obvs
    Applemakeyoulookatit auto correct always kicks you in the bottom at some point

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    Ralph May rotate the squad a little for this
    Also, Lemina not fully fit and it showed

    Obefemi out for a couple of weeks which is a big miss because of his pace

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    The Wolf Alice bassist thinks we will win 3-0

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    Strange Mystic Meg hasn’t popped in from a golf game to tell us what the score will be.

    No worries he’ll tell us how much he won after the game I suppose.

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    Can’t see anything other than 0-4.

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    Would take a draw now says the heart but the head says a thumping and hopefully City will sit back and rest after an hour.


    On that basis park the bus, keep it down to 0-1 then hit them hard in the last 30

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    Quote Originally Posted by fanimal View Post
    Would take a draw now says the heart but the head says a thumping and hopefully City will sit back and rest after an hour.


    On that basis park the bus, keep it down to 0-1 then hit them hard in the last 30
    Seconds?

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    We can only hope City's poor run continues.

    Worst case scenario they'll want to make a return-to-form statement against us and not sit back on a lead.

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    We'll at least be competitive, it can't get worse than the 6-1 up there a few weeks ago. And another positive is that after this game, we'll be the only team in the league who doesn't have to play them again.

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    Good article with PEH in The Times this morning - just a throw away comment or does this really mean Kayne Ramsey will be starting at RWB vs City? link to article: https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/p...-met-qq237mzg8

    “On Thursday evening, after Southampton’s defeat by West Ham, Hojbjerg, even though he was suspended, stayed beyond the end of the game and checked with Kayne Ramsay, a young unused substitute, whether he needed a lift home. Tomorrow, as captain, he will have to check that the 18-year-old full back can cope, on his debut, with the pressure of facing Kevin De Bruyne.

    We have had a couple of debuts this year and I always tell them you are here because you are good enough, the reason you get this chance is because you have the quality and don’t forget that now, or in a year. Kayne is a good guy and it will be an amazing opportunity, it will be his way into the world of men. From boy to a man in one night.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by saintwbu View Post
    Good article with PEH in The Times this morning - just a throw away comment or does this really mean Kayne Ramsey will be starting at RWB vs City? link to article: https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/p...-met-qq237mzg8

    ďOn Thursday evening, after Southamptonís defeat by West Ham, Hojbjerg, even though he was suspended, stayed beyond the end of the game and checked with Kayne Ramsay, a young unused substitute, whether he needed a lift home. Tomorrow, as captain, he will have to check that the 18-year-old full back can cope, on his debut, with the pressure of facing Kevin De Bruyne.

    We have had a couple of debuts this year and I always tell them you are here because you are good enough, the reason you get this chance is because you have the quality and donít forget that now, or in a year. Kayne is a good guy and it will be an amazing opportunity, it will be his way into the world of men. From boy to a man in one night.Ē
    Sounds like he's going to start, esp as he would come in for Valery who struggled on Wednesday night.

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    **** me that's a ballsy decision by Ralph, if true, playing an 18 year old fullback without a 1st team appearance against citeh

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    Might aswell give Enzo Robise a run out aswell if we want to go full on kamikaze... Madness

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    Quote Originally Posted by ally_uk View Post
    Might aswell give Enzo Robise a run out aswell if we want to go full on kamikaze... Madness
    If that is true surely that signals the end of cedric

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    Quote Originally Posted by doddisalegend View Post
    **** me that's a ballsy decision by Ralph, if true, playing an 18 year old fullback without a 1st team appearance against citeh
    Yep. Didn't JWP make his debut against City too?

    Where now for Cedric, if another youngster starts ahead of him? Surely he's off in the next month.

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    We did well last season in this fixture. Let's not be too dramatic about a loss here anyway, it's a free hit.

    We won't keep a clean sheet so should go for them. Not convinced by our attack at the moment. I like Armstrong but more in a 433 with 3 attackers ahead. When he's one of the 3 attackers it's a bit slow.

    Really think we need Long for this one. Not alone up front, but chasing them down, defend from the front. Redmond/Ings/Long for an hour of flat out running, then subs based on the score, extra midfielder if still in the game.

    McCarthy
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    Stephens HÝjbjerg Lemina Targett
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    Quote Originally Posted by saintwbu View Post
    Good article with PEH in The Times this morning - just a throw away comment or does this really mean Kayne Ramsey will be starting at RWB vs City? link to article: https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/p...-met-qq237mzg8

    “On Thursday evening, after Southampton’s defeat by West Ham, Hojbjerg, even though he was suspended, stayed beyond the end of the game and checked with Kayne Ramsay, a young unused substitute, whether he needed a lift home. Tomorrow, as captain, he will have to check that the 18-year-old full back can cope, on his debut, with the pressure of facing Kevin De Bruyne.

    We have had a couple of debuts this year and I always tell them you are here because you are good enough, the reason you get this chance is because you have the quality and don’t forget that now, or in a year. Kayne is a good guy and it will be an amazing opportunity, it will be his way into the world of men. From boy to a man in one night.”
    Feels more risky given our league position but this is what we should have been doing the last 3 years.

    Too often people said X isn't good enough as they haven't made the team. But there was no pathway. Find out if they're good enough, give them chances and let them learn. I remember Lallana being really poor on his championship debut, but he learned from it.

    The same should have happened for Sims, Gallagher and Reed in recent years and they've been badly let down. Let's not let it happen again. Anyone showing promise is going to get chances now and that gives the whole setup a boost, they all know they're being watched in training and youth matches and it all counts.

    Even under Koeman during more successful times we blocked the pathway with poor loan signings and players like Clasie. Koeman didn't know who Sims was, admitted he hadn't watched enough of the youth team. That's really poor as it's the only way a club our size will really prosper.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ally_uk View Post
    Might aswell give Enzo Robise a run out aswell if we want to go full on kamikaze... Madness

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    Not sure what to make of this if true. Cedric appears to be on his way thats for sure.
    1) RH is resting Valery after a run of games with a view of reintroduction later. RH thinks Ramsey is worth a go in a free hit match.
    2) RH deems Valery not good enough after a fair chance. Cedric not an option for some reason. Ramsey one alternative, and sends a positive message to the rest of the younger players.
    If Ramsey fails, which wouldn't be a disgrace given what he'll be facing, then what ? I'd rather he stick with Valery for a while and let the lad learn as the season progresses. Players can take years to develop (re Lallana), and he hasn't played that badly really. IMO it may just be a rotation issue...

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    Cedric clearly didn't want to buy a train ticket

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ludwig View Post
    Cedric clearly didn't want to buy a train ticket
    Train was on other platform, he didn’t know how to cross...

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    Quote Originally Posted by adriansfc View Post
    We did well last season in this fixture. Let's not be too dramatic about a loss here anyway, it's a free hit.

    We won't keep a clean sheet so should go for them. Not convinced by our attack at the moment. I like Armstrong but more in a 433 with 3 attackers ahead. When he's one of the 3 attackers it's a bit slow.

    Really think we need Long for this one. Not alone up front, but chasing them down, defend from the front. Redmond/Ings/Long for an hour of flat out running, then subs based on the score, extra midfielder if still in the game.

    McCarthy
    Bednarek Vesterguard Yoshida
    Stephens HÝjbjerg Lemina Targett
    Long Ings Redmond
    Very good post indeed, good team and structured thinking based on carefully watching the games and not just the ball like several do...

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    Ralph seems committed to playing youngsters over some veterans. He said as much in an interview. His basic stance is we sucked with the veterans so why not. Guys like Cedric are in trouble. He also greatly prefers Oba to Long/Austin. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see a number of players leave in Jan, and also at th end of the season. Guys like Cedric, JWP, Gabbi (for sure), Long, Austin, Davis (another certainty), and Hoedt. Not sure where Bertrand falls, but he may be on the way out too.

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    Hasn't this Ramsey got quite a lot of goals and assists at the youth levels for a RB? Valery has looked knackered a couple of times recently so maybe Ralph feels this is the game to get him a rest when we are the big underdogs and get him fit for the big games coming up after. No one had heard of Aaron Wan-Bissaka at Palace before Hodgson gave him his debut and he's since been one of the top 3 RB's in the league, I bet a lot of Palace fans were sceptical about his initial inclusion too. As mentioned, we don't know how these lads will do once they play at this level, some will rise and some won't. But not getting in the team under Hughes/Pellegrino shouldn't mean they are instantly written off. Puel gave game time to youngsters, he's doing it at Leicester too, most of the time the youngsters he played for us did just fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OttawaSaint View Post
    Train was on other platform, he didn’t know how to cross...
    Boom boom

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    To be honest, we would be better off with Billy Sharp and David McGoldrick up front......

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    Man City. A must win. (Joking)


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    If Burley beat West Ham tomorrow it will be the worst set of results for us for a long time


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    100% defeat but i think will be by 3 or 4 goals, our defence and keeper will be a dream for City to play against. Will be an opportunity for Ralph to learn a bit more to help plan for the future.

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    No De Bruyne in Man City squad tomorrow. COYR

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    Quote Originally Posted by DT View Post
    If Burley beat West Ham tomorrow it will be the worst set of results for us for a long time


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    Quote Originally Posted by davefizzy14 View Post
    No De Bruyne in Man City squad tomorrow. COYR
    There wasn't when they beat us 6-1.

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    I listened to both Ralph's interviews and several things came over loud and clear. Hojbjerg is his captain. Romeu is another that he feels provides backbone. They will play. Kayne Ramsey to start? Ralph - why not? Reverted to early season habits not his way. Cedric, missed games injured now on the outside will have to wait. Obviously doesn't rate vertically challenged players. McCarthy badly positioned not near enough to his near post. Could be on borrowed time. Gunn has been impressive in his few appearances. Obefimi is obviously a big player for him, he says we are missing his pace.

    Our plan is to win the ball and get it up to runners quickly. Yoshida dithering and Lamina running in circles destroyed our game plan. Run at opponents should be in the final third but not in our half. Dispite Lamina's ball skills he is a liability. Flatters to deceive and fades in and out. He is a cosmetic player, lacks discipline, and is not prepared to do the hard yards without the ball. Targett despite his footballing ability is too slow. Valery looked like it was a game too many. Throw ins. There has to be a default tactic, yet we see precious little movement or support and back to the thrower is our only move often losing the ball. Throw the bloody ball down the line and support the throw with the aim of forcing defenders to knock it out. Get down into the last third and anything can happen.

    This is one we can't expect anything from so lets make it hard for them and give it a go.

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    This is the real first test for HasenhŁttl. He came in with energy and enthusiasm and instilled a new way of playing and got two good results.

    Then a setback and things didn't work against W Ham. The big question is whether he can put that right, pick up the team and get a performance tomorrow.

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