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    Sorry if this is posted quickly, but maybe if I start a thread we might win

    Also, with games coming thick and fast, no time to dwell really, just move on.

    No PEH, stupidity from him at the end to compound in essence, the worst weekend possible results wise.

    Honestly, I now no longer know what goes through Ralph's mind, but I'd bring back Vestegaard, and play 3 at the back again.

    McCarthy
    Bednarek Vestegaard Yoshida
    Valery Romeu Lemina Targett
    Redmond Armstrong
    Ings

    having said that, I can't be so sure of fitness for players like Bednarek or Romeu, but I feel Ralph is of the mindset that any players who have no future and will be shipped out do not even seem to make his bench, but with PEH absent maybe Steven Davis should start if one of Romeu/Lemina are not able to.

    but alas, it's the games against those around us and in the bottom half that will really decide our fate, not free hits like these.

    my prediction? 2-0 to Chelsea- rogue goalscorer choices in Willian and probably Barkley!
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    Quote Originally Posted by nta786 View Post
    Sorry if this is posted quickly, but maybe if I start a thread we might win

    Also, with games coming thick and fast, no time to dwell really, just move on.

    No PEH, stupidity from him at the end to compound in essence, the worst weekend possible results wise.

    Honestly, I now no longer know what goes through Ralph's mind, but I'd bring back Vestegaard to combat Giroud, as simple as that tactic might sound.

    McCarthy
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    Valery Romeu Lemina Targett
    Redmond Armstrong
    Ings

    having said that, I can't be so sure of fitness for players like Bednarek or Romeu, but I feel Ralph is of the mindset that any players who have no future and will be shipped out do not even seem to make his bench, but with PEH absent maybe Steven Davis should start if one of Romeu/Lemina are not able to.

    but alas, it's the games against those around us and in the bottom half that will really decide our fate, not free hits like these.

    my prediction? 2-0 to Chelsea- rogue goalscorer choices in Willian and Giroud.
    Giroud is injured.........

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    2-0 defeat
    just hope that fulham lose at arsenal, Burnley lose at huddersfield and spurs do over cardiff

    horrible run of games complete

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    Quote Originally Posted by Batman View Post
    2-0 defeat
    just hope that fulham lose at arsenal, Burnley lose at huddersfield and spurs do over cardiff

    horrible run of games complete
    Optimistic. Chelsea won't be at 9 and a half men like City were today. Watched them against the abysmal Palace, just an afternoon off for them.

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    Thought we'd lose comfortably today but be a lot tighter at Stamford Bridge. Lets hope so!

    Yoshi's last game until after the asia cup.

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    We won’t win. Next.


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    We need Hazard to pick up the flu before the game.

    Hojbjerg a massive miss.

    Bonus that Giroud & Pedro are injured.

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    I think Jan Bednarek is also out.
    Four bookings before today and then booked in the 73rd min for a pull back.

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    Another training match. No doubt we'll do ok but give the ball away too much and concede two or three really poor goals. Clearing the deadwood and bringing in fresh blood cannot come soon enough. I wish we'll spend too much time trying to con teams into taking our **** players that we won't get a chance to bring anyone decent in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saint_John View Post
    I think Jan Bednarek is also out.
    Four bookings before today and then booked in the 73rd min for a pull back.
    I think the cut-off for 5 bookings was the end of the WHU game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shroppie View Post
    I think the cut-off for 5 bookings was the end of the WHU game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shroppie View Post
    I think the cut-off for 5 bookings was the end of the WHU game.

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    The FA site is ambiguous, but think its after 31 December, not 19 games. Don'think the site would say one away for 4 if the cut off had already passed. Suggest Bednarek won't be available for Chelsea, shame as he had a decent game today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saint_John View Post
    I think Jan Bednarek is also out.
    Four bookings before today and then booked in the 73rd min for a pull back.
    I'm pretty sure sky said it was his third today

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    Quote Originally Posted by VectisSaint View Post
    The FA site is ambiguous, but think its after 31 December, not 19 games. Don'think the site would say one away for 4 if the cut off had already passed. Suggest Bednarek won't be available for Chelsea, shame as he had a decent game today.
    In the example in the footnote, it says clearly that if a PL player gets a fifth caution in the 20th game, they are not suspended.


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    I think we will do much better and get a draw. Usual caveat of need a little bit of luck and a referee who can actually see.

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    Unfortunately we seem to get teams when they are bouncing back or have their top players returning. I expected a 'full court press' for Chelsea away...low expectations so let our strongest team have a free run at it - thought we'd be good for a draw hitting them on the break and playing with intensity. With PEH out (stupid lah) I'm not so sure.

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    Another loss, they are different league and have far too much quality for us to handle. If we can keep it respectable it might benefit us later on down the line.

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    McCarthy
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    Quote Originally Posted by PeteCampbell View Post
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    Not a bad shout, but I'd put in Yoshida for Lemina.


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    Quote Originally Posted by nta786 View Post
    Sorry if this is posted quickly, but maybe if I start a thread we might win

    Also, with games coming thick and fast, no time to dwell really, just move on.

    No PEH, stupidity from him at the end to compound in essence, the worst weekend possible results wise.

    Honestly, I now no longer know what goes through Ralph's mind, but I'd bring back Vestegaard, and play 3 at the back again.

    McCarthy
    Bednarek Vestegaard Yoshida
    Valery Romeu Lemina Targett
    Redmond Armstrong
    Ings

    having said that, I can't be so sure of fitness for players like Bednarek or Romeu, but I feel Ralph is of the mindset that any players who have no future and will be shipped out do not even seem to make his bench, but with PEH absent maybe Steven Davis should start if one of Romeu/Lemina are not able to.

    but alas, it's the games against those around us and in the bottom half that will really decide our fate, not free hits like these.

    my prediction? 2-0 to Chelsea- rogue goalscorer choices in Willian and probably Barkley!
    ‘No longer know what goes through Ralph’s mind’

    You had it nailed then after 3 games but his 4th team selection has scuppered your thinking?

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    Wonder if Marcus Barnes might be involved, as he can be added to the premier league squad on 1st January, especially if Austin is suspended or anything.


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    Need to work on getting a settled side. And kick Hazard a lot, obvs


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    McCarthy
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    Is Gallagher anywhere near fit yet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DT View Post
    Need to work on getting a settled side. And kick Hazard a lot, obvs


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    Sadly Hoj isn't available...

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    Just being honest not trying to slag of Ralph, but freezing out Cedric gabbi and possibly bertrand is weakening the team in the short term. It's all good giving youngsters a chance if they are good enough but valery looks completely out of his depth to me nowhere near the level the likes of shaw and chambers were at when they started playing full back. I have no problem with obafemi on the other hand. If we are gonna go for pace might as well use him as long is pretty much guaranteed not to score. Still winds me up gabbi not getting game time over him and Austin even if he's not in the plans and is going to be sold I don't agree with this decision

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    Quote Originally Posted by pimpin4rizeal View Post
    Just being honest not trying to slag of Ralph, but freezing out Cedric gabbi and possibly bertrand is weakening the team in the short term. It's all good giving youngsters a chance if they are good enough but valery looks completely out of his depth to me nowhere near the level the likes of shaw and chambers were at when they started playing full back. I have no problem with obafemi on the other hand. If we are gonna go for pace might as well use him as long is pretty much guaranteed not to score. Still winds me up gabbi not getting game time over him and Austin even if he's not in the plans and is going to be sold I don't agree with this decision
    Time will tell. Ralph isn't the first manager to come into the PL and try to turn everything arse over tit, results have been variable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harriesss View Post
    Wonder if Marcus Barnes might be involved, as he can be added to the premier league squad on 1st January, especially if Austin is suspended or anything.


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    Need to remove someone from the squad list first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pimpin4rizeal View Post
    Just being honest not trying to slag of Ralph, but freezing out Cedric gabbi and possibly bertrand is weakening the team in the short term. It's all good giving youngsters a chance if they are good enough but valery looks completely out of his depth to me nowhere near the level the likes of shaw and chambers were at when they started playing full back. I have no problem with obafemi on the other hand. If we are gonna go for pace might as well use him as long is pretty much guaranteed not to score. Still winds me up gabbi not getting game time over him and Austin even if he's not in the plans and is going to be sold I don't agree with this decision
    Why do you assume its Ralph freezing them out, more likely they didn't buy into the plans and have moves lined up so have frozen themselves out. Bertrand is still recovering from injury, nevertheless my understanding is that he is on his way as well, but could be wrong. Really wouldn't be surprised to see one or two early moves once the window opens, both directions, to make places available in the squad, e.g. Barnes.

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    Cedric has been poor most of the season & if he's not interested in buying into Ralph's approach it's quite right he's frozen out. Valery has looked good in a number of the games he has played even if he poorer in others.
    Neither has Gabbi done much to deserve more chances. He's been living off his first few games for us for far too long now.
    Bertrand is recovering from an operation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VectisSaint View Post
    Need to remove someone from the squad list first.
    Yes, but they can be added again. For example we could remove Hojbjerg for the month and then add him again at the end of the window. Rose or Forster may be removed though.


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    Quote Originally Posted by harriesss View Post
    Wonder if Marcus Barnes might be involved, as he can be added to the premier league squad on 1st January, especially if Austin is suspended or anything.


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    The 20 clubs agreed a while ago that anyone registered between now and 3 January can't play in these round of fixtures.

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    We all could see attitude of the players wasn’t right.
    Ralph is addressing this and have reliably heard the players love him even though he is mentally strict.

    Shame that Cedric isn’t on board though. Similarly Gabbi. But it is the mentality of these sort of players that got us in this position so good on Ralph.

    Transfer door has now ‘swung’ open so would be god to think he had a couple of affordable FBs who would slot nicely into his way of playing.

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    Jan
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    JWP
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    All with a point to prove ...
    (Maybe not)

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    New Year's Day and the optimism has gone, lose tomorrow and we are back in the bottom three. Three worse teams than ours? I don't think so, Huddersfield maybe but we are no better than the shambles at Fulham & Cardiff and nowhere near Burnley, Newcastle or Brighton. Everton here next, hold onto your hats another drubbing is on the way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by whelk View Post
    We all could see attitude of the players wasn’t right.
    Ralph is addressing this and have reliably heard the players love him even though he is mentally strict.

    Shame that Cedric isn’t on board though. Similarly Gabbi. But it is the mentality of these sort of players that got us in this position so good on Ralph.

    Transfer door has now ‘swung’ open so would be god to think he had a couple of affordable FBs who would slot nicely into his way of playing.
    Ralph must stick to his guns regardless.

    In the long term it is what the squad needs. We have been complacent for to long.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baird of the land View Post
    Cedric has been poor most of the season & if he's not interested in buying into Ralph's approach it's quite right he's frozen out. Valery has looked good in a number of the games he has played even if he poorer in others.
    Neither has Gabbi done much to deserve more chances. He's been living off his first few games for us for far too long now.
    Bertrand is recovering from an operation.
    I think one of the issues is the last two games we have far to many players that when they receive the ball the move just breaks down.. the likes of long, elyounoussi valery. We need some quality to go with the pressing and hard work else we are just giving the ball away all the time

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    Targett a doubt for tomorrow fortunately. I think I read somewhere Ramsay can play either side so may be he will play LB and Valery RB. Cedric played left back v Utd and did ok so if he doesn't come in at LB that will confirm he is off I think. I can see Yoshida, Stephens and Bednarek starting. Valery and Ramsay as wing backs. Romeu and Lemina in CM. Armstrong, Redmond and Ings. Hopefully Obafemi makes bench as his pace against weary defenders late on could help.



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    Quote Originally Posted by jasoneuelllfanclub View Post
    Targett a doubt for tomorrow fortunately. I think I read somewhere Ramsay can play either side so may be he will play LB and Valery RB. Cedric played left back v Utd and did ok so if he doesn't come in at LB that will confirm he is off I think. I can see Yoshida, Stephens and Bednarek starting. Valery and Ramsay as wing backs. Romeu and Lemina in CM. Armstrong, Redmond and Ings. Hopefully Obafemi makes bench as his pace against weary defenders late on could help.



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    I would rather see any random player than Lemina, he has had a few chances and been poor every game, no improvement at all, rather have a 50 / 50 chance of a good performance than a 5 / 10 % chances of a good game from Leminam probs get a better performance from forster playing cm than Lemina.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jasoneuelllfanclub View Post
    Targett a doubt for tomorrow fortunately. I think I read somewhere Ramsay can play either side so may be he will play LB and Valery RB. Cedric played left back v Utd and did ok so if he doesn't come in at LB that will confirm he is off I think. I can see Yoshida, Stephens and Bednarek starting. Valery and Ramsay as wing backs. Romeu and Lemina in CM. Armstrong, Redmond and Ings. Hopefully Obafemi makes bench as his pace against weary defenders late on could help.



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    isn't Bednarek suspended ? Sounded that this was the case on 5Live.

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    Jonathan Moss on the Whistle for this one - so miles behind play - assisting Chelsea on the 50/50s, unless we are running the show and his bias switches (when we played Arsenal Boxing Day few years back, Arsenal got every decision at the start then as we got in front and in control the 50/50s became ours - seen him do that in other games too).
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    Quote Originally Posted by pimpin4rizeal View Post
    I think one of the issues is the last two games we have far to many players that when they receive the ball the move just breaks down.. the likes of long, elyounoussi valery. We need some quality to go with the pressing and hard work else we are just giving the ball away all the time
    The problem is though that we have not enough support for the man on the ball. This is the main reason we continue to lose procession. The likes of City crowd round the ball when out of pocession and also in procession too.

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    This game feels like a waste of time really, strong Chelsea side will pick apart our error prone defence , especially when we're playing under 18s and players out of position.

    The honeymoon period is over for Hassenhuttl, will be interesting to see who comes in if we offload Gabbiadini and Cedric early in the window

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    JWP starting tomorrow in place of Hoj, same formation, Redmond / Ings and Armstrong back in line up, Maya and Vest starting too if I read the interview on Sky sports correct.

    https://www.skysports.com/football/n...es-ward-prowse

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    If anyone has a spare please let me know, can meet at ground

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mosin View Post
    JWP starting tomorrow in place of Hoj, same formation, Redmond / Ings and Armstrong back in line up, Maya and Vest starting too if I read the interview on Sky sports correct.

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    Agree with this. Better option than Lemina at present.

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    A midfield two of JWP and Romeu would get massively overrun - both extremely one paced.

    I hope Lemina is fit to play - he is much better than the two above and this will be a tough game where you need your best players.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dusic View Post
    A midfield two of JWP and Romeu would get massively overrun - both extremely one paced.

    I hope Lemina is fit to play - he is much better than the two above and this will be a tough game where you need your best players.
    You either didn’t see Sunday’s game or watched with your eyes closed. He was subbed at half time because he was bloody awful and half @R$ed with it. And in that regard your statement falls flat on its face.
    Both JWP and Romeu put in far more effective performances.

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    Quote Originally Posted by waylander View Post
    Is Gallagher anywhere near fit yet?
    Back in full training on Monday hopefully

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    Giroud injured which is good news for us.

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