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    Quote Originally Posted by Mosin View Post
    Who you dropping to play him? OR?? No way, OR is a much better DM, Hoj? Na he is Captain, JWP? Cant, he has been our match winner of late and would put a big shadow over the full team to drop its most on form player for some one who has not ever been on form at any club he has been at not to mention JWP is miles more creative than Lemina so would not make sense to swap them.

    No room for him to start, even if we remove a defender and add an extra mid, Sims would be a far better option. I cant see him displacing OR,HOJ and JWP if they keep playing the way they are.
    I prefer Lemina to Romeu tbf in a Centre Mid (CM) role. In CDM, then yeah Romeu is better.
    I just feel like Lemina is a BTEC Pogba, and that is not so much an insult. A Lemina at his best has far more potential to make an impact both defensively and offensively than the other 3 at their best, barring JWP's set pieces.

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    FWIW I heard a rumour a few weeks ago which if true I would have expected to see here but I will post it anyway. It's a mate of a mate who is close to someone at the club rumour. I was told that Lemina's wife and family are living in london whilst he is living down here with his brother (in Bournemouth?). His brother is apparently a bit of a lad and they are out drinking and socialising a lot. It goes on that they took Obafemi under their wing and RH was unimpressed which is why he made the comment about Obafemi needing to be more professional. I am sure somebody knows better but thought I would share.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nta786 View Post
    I prefer Lemina to Romeu tbf in a Centre Mid (CM) role. In CDM, then yeah Romeu is better.
    I just feel like Lemina is a BTEC Pogba, and that is not so much an insult. A Lemina at his best has far more potential to make an impact both defensively and offensively than the other 3 at their best, barring JWP's set pieces.
    JWP is miles more creative than Lemina even with out his set pieces, I am not even going to go into detail, but JWP has in this season alone in only 18 games ( 1289 mins ) nearly made more key passes ( 53 ) than Lemina has since he started playing ( 58 ). I know Lemina looks better, but JWP is better.

    OR and HOJ are far better defensively as they don't lose concentration, better decision making, even when at his best Lemina is bad defensively, he is more powerful and better at dribbling than Hoj, OR and JWP, but we are not talking wingers here, we are talking central mid ( In OR's case CDM ) he just is not as good as the others overall.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mosin View Post
    JWP is miles more creative than Lemina even with out his set pieces, I am not even going to go into detail, but JWP has in this season alone in only 18 games ( 1289 mins ) nearly made more key passes ( 53 ) than Lemina has since he started playing ( 58 ). I know Lemina looks better, but JWP is better.

    OR and HOJ are far better defensively as they don't lose concentration, better decision making, even when at his best Lemina is bad defensively, he is more powerful and better at dribbling than Hoj, OR and JWP, but we are not talking wingers here, we are talking central mid ( In OR's case CDM ) he just is not as good as the others overall.
    this i find genuinely interesting. When i see those bursts of dribbling from him i start to picture him playing like gerrard and pushing the hwole team forwards but you are right that unless he is doing the basics of his position well (with respect to how ralph needs that position to play) then it doesnt matter about his bonus features

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    Whilst it is good to see Mario Lemina back in training and seemingly enjoying football life again, he will be nowhere near match fit for quite a while.

    What a player to have on the bench 'though so expect him to come on at Brighton for the last 15 minutes when Romeu and/or Hoj pick up their inevitable yellow cards or blowing like whales.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vancouver Saint View Post
    Lemina is a great player. Genuine flair and creativity. Has never been fit under RH. Needs to score more goals. Must be given a fair chance. Probably our best player when fit and committed IMHO
    In a David Connolly sort of way...

    Two almighty big 'ifs' rather than 'whens' there in my view.

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    Arguably our most talented player, but right now what we're doing is working. A great option to have for the run in, as we don't have anyone who plays like he does. Having him and Ings coming back for the last stretch gives me more hope that we can add some more goals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dusic View Post
    We didn't sign him to score goals. HTH.
    facepalm

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    Quote Originally Posted by DT View Post
    facepalm
    Sorry, assumed you were being serious with the whole 1 goal thing, which would be a ridiculous critique!

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    Accept your point Mosin - and acknowledge that players coming back after such a long absence tend to be rusty and not match fit. My point is more for the longer -term, not the next match - as meatball post#100 above suggests.

    Lemina is a more natural creative midfielder than Hoj, JWP and certainly Romeu IMO...he has natural attacking instinct and creative flair to beat his man in midfield and play the ball forward, not sideways or backwards.

    Properly fit and under RH I think he could be pivotal to our future as one of, if not the best player we have in the squad.

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    Still think Lemina is our best cm and makes us a bit more exciting to watch as he transitions defence to attack quickly. Adds much needed pace to the side. Don't see a need for Romeu in the XI if we're playing 3 cb's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by saint97 View Post
    Still think Lemina is our best cm and makes us a bit more exciting to watch as he transitions defence to attack quickly. Adds much needed pace to the side. Don't see a need for Romeu in the XI if we're playing 3 cb's.
    I think there's always room for a proper DM. That back 3 needs shielding, IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vancouver Saint View Post
    Accept your point Mosin - and acknowledge that players coming back after such a long absence tend to be rusty and not match fit. My point is more for the longer -term, not the next match - as meatball post#100 above suggests.

    Lemina is a more natural creative midfielder than Hoj, JWP and certainly Romeu IMO...he has natural attacking instinct and creative flair to beat his man in midfield and play the ball forward, not sideways or backwards.

    Properly fit and under RH I think he could be pivotal to our future as one of, if not the best player we have in the squad.
    No way does Lemina offer more going forward than JWP or HOJ, none of them offer as much protection than OR to the back line either. Lemina is not as good as the players currently starting a head of him, even if he can dribble and run faster.. the others are better

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    This seems to be a rare occasion when a player's absence isn't leading to everyone thinking he's miles better than he is.

    FWIW I'd pick pretty much anyone over that overrated clunk-beast Hojbjerg, but Lemina has been WAY too erratic and it's been about 18 months since both he and Saints were good in the same match (he was MoM for us at Cardiff but the rest of the team wasn't up to much). I think I'd probably stick Armstrong in there with Romeu and Ward-Prowse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vancouver Saint View Post
    Accept your point Mosin - and acknowledge that players coming back after such a long absence tend to be rusty and not match fit. My point is more for the longer -term, not the next match - as meatball post#100 above suggests.

    Lemina is a more natural creative midfielder than Hoj, JWP and certainly Romeu IMO...he has natural attacking instinct and creative flair to beat his man in midfield and play the ball forward, not sideways or backwards.

    Properly fit and under RH I think he could be pivotal to our future as one of, if not the best player we have in the squad.
    For clarity, I wasnít suggesting that we play Lemina in the next match, I was pointing out the foolishness of effectively writing Lemina off based on his collective performances to date, when the improved performances of many of our players under Ralph would suggest that Lemina could well be a great player who has merely been hindered by poor managers.


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    From today's pre-match press conference....

    Hasenhuttl: "Lemina.... it's a pity he's not back in training again because he has still problems this week... so he made a little bit more rest this week"

    Hope we kept the receipt for that 'minor surgery' he had yonks ago.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by trousers View Post
    From today's pre-match press conference....

    Hasenhuttl: "Lemina.... it's a pity he's not back in training again because he has still problems this week... so he made a little bit more rest this week"

    Hope we kept the receipt for that 'minor surgery' he had yonks ago.....
    Crikey. What a 'mare he's had.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperSAINT View Post
    Crikey. What a 'mare he's had.
    It's a good job I'm not a cynic or a conspiracy theorist, otherwise I might be inclined to play my "perhaps we're holding him back to avoid triggering a significant appearance payment clause in his contract" card....

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    Quote Originally Posted by trousers View Post
    It's a good job I'm not a cynic or a conspiracy theorist, otherwise I might be inclined to play my "perhaps we're holding him back to avoid triggering a significant appearance payment clause in his contract" card....
    You think that's it?

    It's either that, or he's made of biscuits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trousers View Post
    From today's pre-match press conference....

    Hasenhuttl: "Lemina.... it's a pity he's not back in training again because he has still problems this week... so he made a little bit more rest this week"

    Hope we kept the receipt for that 'minor surgery' he had yonks ago.....
    If you look at his career stats, that's what he's had at every club he's ever been. He's always had bad backs, stomach aches, sore throats etc and never played much football.

    https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/mari.../0?saison=2016

    https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/mari.../0?saison=2015

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    A little bit extra from Ralph:

    It’s a pity that Mario Lemina is not back in training again because he still has problems this week so he needed more rest. We are trying to bring him back to the right level step by step but it isn’t easy when he has had such a long time without playing. We will definitely see him again before the end of the season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperSAINT View Post
    it isn’t easy when he has had such a long time without playing
    Yes, he's managed to get through most of his career without playing.

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    Seems to be quite injury free when it comes to running up to the wages counter. What a waster

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    Quote Originally Posted by DT View Post
    Seems to be quite injury free when it comes to running up to the wages counter. What a waster
    The what, now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperSAINT View Post
    A little bit extra from Ralph:
    Makes me wonder a bit, could this be a Clyne type situation. Hmm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by benjii View Post
    The what, now?
    He gets his weekly pay in a little wage packet like a 1950s coal miner you know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OttawaSaint View Post
    Makes me wonder a bit, could this be a Clyne type situation. Hmm.
    From out of nowhere the other day I heard itís not an isolated case, if Iím on your track.

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    Doesnít look injured here https://www.instagram.com/stories/lemsm13/

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    Quote Originally Posted by St Chalet View Post
    He didn't took injured in some training photos over the last few weeks either...

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    RH said he had suffered a bit in training.

    There is a difference between being able to do normal everyday physical activity versus playing PL football.

    We all saw he had an injury.

    It was operated on.

    He came back to training.

    He had a minor setback.

    It happens all the time. It happened recently with Bertrand.

    Why the conspiract theories with Lemina?!

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    There is no conspiracy theory: he's just played very few games of football throughout his entire career. That's just the way it is.

    "We will see him again this year"

    That gives him until December then. He'll never compare to the great Carlos Kaiser though:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlos...r_(footballer)

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    Ralph says he's still not training.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dusic View Post
    RH said he had suffered a bit in training.

    There is a difference between being able to do normal everyday physical activity versus playing PL football.

    We all saw he had an injury.

    It was operated on.

    He came back to training.

    He had a minor setback.

    It happens all the time. It happened recently with Bertrand.

    Why the conspiract theories with Lemina?!
    because he has form

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    Doubt we'll see him in a Saints shirt ever again.

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    Another appalling waste of money unfortunately to add to the list.

    Showed some promise but has contributed nowhere near enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OttawaSaint View Post
    Doubt we'll see him in a Saints shirt ever again.
    Becoming obvious we won't see him again this season at least. I don't understand why someone at the press conference doesn't follow up and quiz Ralph about it. Ralph is usually very open, can only assume there is some sort of embargo. The old excuse that it gives opponents information is no longer valid when we only have 6 games left. No one ever asks about Sam McQueen either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VectisSaint View Post
    Becoming obvious we won't see him again this season at least. I don't understand why someone at the press conference doesn't follow up and quiz Ralph about it. Ralph is usually very open, can only assume there is some sort of embargo. The old excuse that it gives opponents information is no longer valid when we only have 6 games left. No one ever asks about Sam McQueen either.
    Sam is out for the season with a ruptured Acl

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    Quote Originally Posted by VectisSaint View Post
    Becoming obvious we won't see him again this season at least. I don't understand why someone at the press conference doesn't follow up and quiz Ralph about it. Ralph is usually very open, can only assume there is some sort of embargo. The old excuse that it gives opponents information is no longer valid when we only have 6 games left. No one ever asks about Sam McQueen either.
    I thought he was out on loan somewhere like Middlesbrough?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Instant Classic View Post
    I thought he was out on loan somewhere like Middlesbrough?
    https://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/17...tured-his-acl/

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    Quote Originally Posted by VectisSaint View Post
    Becoming obvious we won't see him again this season at least. I don't understand why someone at the press conference doesn't follow up and quiz Ralph about it. Ralph is usually very open, can only assume there is some sort of embargo. The old excuse that it gives opponents information is no longer valid when we only have 6 games left. No one ever asks about Sam McQueen either.
    Because by and large those journalists are useless, and the club probably has short shrift for those that ask difficult questions. Same in the White House!


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    Really good player but turning into a colossal waste of money.

    Doesnít walk into the team now either. Expect him to be sold in the summer if we get a half decent bid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by simo View Post
    Sam is out for the season with a ruptured Acl
    Yes he is, how is his recovery going? Is he actually back at Southampton, seems unlikely he would stay at Boro where he was on loan. Was the loan cancelled? The lad seems to have disappeared/been forgotten.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saint Garrett View Post
    Really good player but turning into a colossal waste of money.

    Doesn’t walk into the team now either. Expect him to be sold in the summer if we get a half decent bid.
    Is it wrong for me to suspect he's just collecting his wages this year, using us for rehab and will be off to Liverpool in the summer? Call me cynical

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    Quote Originally Posted by DT View Post
    Is it wrong for me to suspect he's just collecting his wages this year, using us for rehab and will be off to Liverpool in the summer? Call me cynical
    If that Keita bloke cost them £48m, I'd want at least £50m for Lemina.

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    Just watch him be one of the players of the year for someone else next year when his injury miraculously heals. Possibly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saint Garrett View Post
    Really good player but turning into a colossal waste of money.

    Doesn’t walk into the team now either. Expect him to be sold in the summer if we get a half decent bid.
    Tend to agree. Top, top player, but just not value for money, due to injuries. We've gotten by without him this season, so perhaps if a decent bid comes in the sensible thing to do would be to offload and reinvest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DT View Post
    Is it wrong for me to suspect he's just collecting his wages this year, using us for rehab and will be off to Liverpool in the summer? Call me cynical
    I don't know about cynical but you are certainly dreaming if you think Liverpool would take him off our hands.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DT View Post
    Is it wrong for me to suspect he's just collecting his wages this year, using us for rehab and will be off to Liverpool in the summer? Call me cynical
    Canít see Liverpool taking him. Back abroad probably.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VectisSaint View Post
    Yes he is, how is his recovery going? Is he actually back at Southampton, seems unlikely he would stay at Boro where he was on loan. Was the loan cancelled? The lad seems to have disappeared/been forgotten.
    Seems like he'll miss some of pre season so won't be properly match fit for ages still. They talked about him on the last podcast.

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    He’s not a top player. He is a midfielder with no stamina.

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