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    So ...Gallagher and Austin going to Birmingham with Adams coming to us??? Maybe a cash adjustment?
    All I read is that Brum want £12M, we have offered £8M. Surely agree on £10M and job's done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chez View Post
    why was it deemed a loan last season if the transfer fee was in last years budget? It will be instalments. 50% up front (start of 2019/2020 season and 50% by end of that season.
    I would guess that it was a loan because the deal was done at the very end of the transfer window and it would have been quicker to set up a loan than a full transfer with only minutes left before the window slammed shut.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shropshire Saint View Post
    I would guess that it was a loan because the deal was done at the very end of the transfer window and it would have been quicker to set up a loan than a full transfer with only minutes left before the window slammed shut.
    Agree, that was my understanding at the time. I could have been mistaken though.....

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    The 2018 accounts state that the Ings fee was due to be paid this year. Will be in the budget as a committed expenditure but not paid out until around now

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    Quote Originally Posted by John D View Post
    The 2018 accounts state that the Ings fee was due to be paid this year. Will be in the budget as a committed expenditure but not paid out until around now
    Guan said the Gabbi fee received pretty much helped clear the Ings fee.

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    Ings fee was 16mill

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    Quote Originally Posted by SaintBitterne View Post
    Ings fee was 16mill
    Wasn't £20M the widely reported number?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shropshire Saint View Post
    I would guess that it was a loan because the deal was done at the very end of the transfer window and it would have been quicker to set up a loan than a full transfer with only minutes left before the window slammed shut.
    Appreciate the inclusion of the superfluous 'slammed'

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrfahaji View Post
    Appreciate the inclusion of the superfluous 'slammed'
    Haha yeah, he's obviously a disciple of Jim White on Deadline Day evening, where the Transfer Window "slams shut at 11pm" ....only it doesn't as the deals trickle on to the next morning

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greenridge View Post
    Wasn't £20M the widely reported number?
    It’s £18,720,000

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr X View Post
    I'm not convinced Adams has enough about his all round game to make it in the premier league it would still be a huge gamble, I certainly wouldn't pay more than 10 million for him
    I've watched him quite a bit and this is a reasonable analysis

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    Ultimately there is a reason why its Saints, Burnley and Palace after him and not the likes of Everton, Leicester etc.

    He has good physical attributes though and that can add a lot.

    I don't see Adams as a guarenteed starter. He isn't going to be displacing Redmond (if considered a forward) or Ings as an immediate first choice.

    Having some good subs will make a big difference for us this season I think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dusic View Post
    Ultimately there is a reason why its Saints, Burnley and Palace after him and not the likes of Everton, Leicester etc.

    He has good physical attributes though and that can add a lot.

    I don't see Adams as a guarenteed starter. He isn't going to be displacing Redmond (if considered a forward) or Ings as an immediate first choice.

    Having some good subs will make a big difference for us this season I think.
    In theory, he replaces Austin & Sam G in the squad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SaintBitterne View Post
    Incredible to right off a season before we’ve even bid an acceptable offer for a striker who scored 20 goals last year. Our fans are something else
    I'm not writing him off, i'm just saying that absolutely nothing about him from his stats to the clips i've seen suggests he is a Premier League quality player. His shots on goal are all scuffed, rough ones that look like the keeper is falling over them, or defenders passing the ball straight to him, or tap ins. He won't get defending or goalkeeping that poor from Premier League sides (bar once or twice a season).
    I've also seen people talk about his pace - again, seen no evidence of that. Doesn't seem any faster than anyone we've got, and certainly slower than Ings, Redmond and Long.
    Personally I don't see anything that makes me think he's an improvement in the squad on Gallagher or Obafemi. If the choices were Adams or no-one, i'd rather we went into next season with Ings, Long, Redmond, Obafemi and Gallagher as our options up top.
    I still don't believe for a second that there isn't a better option in the lower leagues or abroad that we could get for £10-15million. I'd actually rather we use that money to pay a loan fee for a much better quality player, there must be someone out there at one of the top clubs who won't be getting game time next season?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saint_clark View Post
    His shots on goal are all scuffed?
    This incredibly false point undermines your argument completely, those are not scuffed finishes, he regularly finds the bottom corner with good finishes from what I saw. You don't need to smash the ball in, its about placement, but to call those finishes 'scuffed' is just false.

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    In Ralph we trust. It’s called development isn’t it?

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    People need to wake up on Gallagher - imagine the scenes on here if we were trying to sign him rather than just keep him around the squad. We wouldn't want to sign him so lets call time on him at least shall we

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    Quote Originally Posted by saint-crinny View Post
    People need to wake up on Gallagher - imagine the scenes on here if we were trying to sign him rather than just keep him around the squad. We wouldn't want to sign him so lets call time on him at least shall we
    Quite. To put things into perspective, despite Fitzhugh Fella obsession with championing Gallaghers cause Che Adams scored more goals last season than Gallagher has in his entire career. Also despite his claims that Gallagher kept Adams out of the side when they were both at Birmingham Adams scored more goals than Gallagher that season too (9 in all competitions v Gallaghers 7, from one less game) If neither player played for us I know which one i'd want to sign.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeBizzier69 View Post
    In Ralph we trust. It’s called development isn’t it?
    Absolutely.

    As a club we buy the £10-15m and hope that it works out and he becomes a £30-40m player, rather than going out and buying the ready made £30-40m player. Of course this is a risk, but the rewards are greater when it works out. Problem recently is that it hasn't been working out. Just imagine, we could have done a Crystal Palace and paid £30m for Christian Benteke and £28m for Sakho.

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    I'd rather have him than Austin, Sims and Sam G.

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    There's been a load of dross that have managed to be fairly regular goalscorers in the prem. Being a decent finisher and having a bit of strength counts for a lot. I reckon he would be an improvement on what we have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tajjuk View Post
    This incredibly false point undermines your argument completely, those are not scuffed finishes, he regularly finds the bottom corner with good finishes from what I saw. You don't need to smash the ball in, its about placement, but to call those finishes 'scuffed' is just false.
    to add, I believe he had a very high goals to shots (or chances) ratio.

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    I seem to recall Redmond was similarly considered by many on here when we signed him. I always wonder, if people are such good talent spotters as they seem to be on this forum, why they don't actually do it for a living? I would have thought it would be quite fun.

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    We close to signing him? Chuck them Sam G and Austin get it done..

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    Quote Originally Posted by ally_uk View Post
    We close to signing him? Chuck them Sam G and Austin get it done..
    And Clasie and Forster

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    Quote Originally Posted by saint-crinny View Post
    People need to wake up on Gallagher - imagine the scenes on here if we were trying to sign him rather than just keep him around the squad. We wouldn't want to sign him so lets call time on him at least shall we
    This. Not forgetting the ridiculous wage he is on for having achieved absolutely nothing.

    Should have been sold years ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tajjuk View Post
    This incredibly false point undermines your argument completely, those are not scuffed finishes, he regularly finds the bottom corner with good finishes from what I saw. You don't need to smash the ball in, its about placement, but to call those finishes 'scuffed' is just false.
    Better keepers would have kept those shots out, that's my point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saint_clark View Post
    Better keepers would have kept those shots out, that's my point.
    And better keepers, like you, would have thought, 'Ah, he just scuffs it, it'll go wide' and he scores. What if Ralph could teach him to not scuff his shots? he is already able to get it on target.
    Sorry, I know that it is a bit difficult but we need to get raw talent in a hone it, we can't afford the finished article and he must have come on someone's radar to have been scouted in the first place.
    I don't doubt there might be better and cheaper in the lower leagues but it is finding this talent. I think our recruitment will start looking to these areas too.
    I say give him a go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saint_clark View Post
    I'm not writing him off, i'm just saying that absolutely nothing about him from his stats to the clips i've seen suggests he is a Premier League quality player. His shots on goal are all scuffed, rough ones that look like the keeper is falling over them, or defenders passing the ball straight to him, or tap ins. He won't get defending or goalkeeping that poor from Premier League sides (bar once or twice a season).
    I've also seen people talk about his pace - again, seen no evidence of that. Doesn't seem any faster than anyone we've got, and certainly slower than Ings, Redmond and Long.
    Personally I don't see anything that makes me think he's an improvement in the squad on Gallagher or Obafemi. If the choices were Adams or no-one, i'd rather we went into next season with Ings, Long, Redmond, Obafemi and Gallagher as our options up top.
    I still don't believe for a second that there isn't a better option in the lower leagues or abroad that we could get for £10-15million. I'd actually rather we use that money to pay a loan fee for a much better quality player, there must be someone out there at one of the top clubs who won't be getting game time next season?
    Quote Originally Posted by Saint_clark View Post
    Better keepers would have kept those shots out, that's my point.
    You don’t half come out with some nonsense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chez View Post
    to add, I believe he had a very high goals to shots (or chances) ratio.
    81 shots apparently, so yeh a goal every 3.7 shots, which I think is pretty good.

    According to this site - https://www.beinsports.com/au/efl-ch...hip/statistics, he was 10th for shots taken in the championship last year.

    Compared to the other top scorers in the Championship -

    Maupay - 4.3 shots per goal
    Abraham - 3.6 shots per goal
    Pukki - 3.5 shots per goal
    Jay Rod - 4.2 shots per goal.

    So seems to compare well there for a 'scuffer'

    He also had the highest percentage of shots on target of any player who scored over 10 goals last year at 69%.

    Plus everyone bar Maupay, who scored more goals than him, were all from much better top 6 sides, not a team that finished 17th.

    So you have a guy who is 22, scores goals in a struggling team, get his shots on target and converts a decent amount of his chances, plus is quick and strong.

    Yeh no idea why any PL club is looking at him.....................
    Last edited by tajjuk; 12-06-2019 at 09:38 AM.

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    Bunch of idiots on here writing him off before he has even kicked a ball for us.... Our fans are a bunch of wet tarts sometimes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ally_uk View Post
    Bunch of idiots on here writing him off before he has even kicked a ball for us.... Our fans are a bunch of wet tarts sometimes.
    A helpful intervention

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    Quote Originally Posted by ally_uk View Post
    Bunch of idiots on here writing him off before he has even kicked a ball for us.... Our fans are a bunch of wet tarts sometimes.
    Yeah much better to wan k over pretty much every player we get linked with and hen slag them off after a few games.. even elyounoussi and vestergaard were made out to be world beaters when we weren't signing them. No ones really writing off Adams's but having an opinions fine. I agree personally his shots in the video look scuffed and scruffy finishes.. but I'm also very excited by his pace and power so can see both sides myself.. augustin would have been my preference .

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    Scuffy shots - I remember jay rod scoring with a few of those

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toadhall Saint View Post
    Scuffy shots - I remember jay rod scoring with a few of those
    even from the penalty spot

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    Bet victor has the odds at 5/4 for him to join us

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chez View Post
    to add, I believe he had a very high goals to shots (or chances) ratio.
    His goals to scuffs record is beyond comparison.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ally_uk View Post
    Bunch of idiots on here writing him off before he has even kicked a ball for us.... Our fans are a bunch of wet tarts sometimes.
    As I said, not writing him off and will support him. Just can't get excited over this signing from the evidence available.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saint_clark View Post
    As I said, not writing him off and will support him. Just can't get excited over this signing from the evidence available.
    Would you rather have Austin, Gallagher or sims? Probably yes, so stupid question .


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    Quote Originally Posted by stknowle View Post
    His goals to scuffs record is beyond comparison.
    Mane's YouTube video was scuffy, IIRC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperSAINT View Post
    Mane's YouTube video was scuffy, IIRC.
    Exactly my point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cabbage_Face View Post
    Would you rather have Austin, Gallagher or sims? Probably yes, so stupid question .


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    Honestly don't see much difference between Gallagher and Adams, and Sims is a different player but yes i'd rather have him. Sims has been dangerous every time he's played and the majority of that has been in a limited and underperforming defensive side.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saint_clark View Post
    Honestly don't see much difference between Gallagher and Adams, and Sims is a different player but yes i'd rather have him. Sims has been dangerous every time he's played and the majority of that has been in a limited and underperforming defensive side.
    Bloody hell.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Saint_clark View Post
    Sims is a different player but yes i'd rather have him. Sims has been dangerous every time he's played and the majority of that has been in a limited and underperforming defensive side.
    While I agree wholeheartedly with this, successive managers just don't seem to have rated him. They're clearly seeing something I'm missing, and they know what they're doing with a football side while I don't, but to me we always look more dangerous the moment he comes on. I've wondered every time I've watched him why he isn't a regular starter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scotty View Post
    While I agree wholeheartedly with this, successive managers just don't seem to have rated him. They're clearly seeing something I'm missing, and they know what they're doing with a football side while I don't, but to me we always look more dangerous the moment he comes on. I've wondered every time I've watched him why he isn't a regular starter.
    In his appearances last season he generally looked decent when on the pitch. The problem I think is that as a team we looked lightweight in midfield when he was on the pitch and conceded a fair few goals. Watford and Newcastle away we just looked hopelessly overrun, which I'm not saying was 100% his fault but it wasn't a coincidence either.

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    Che Adams spotted in Carlo's Ice Cream shack with that PSG bloke, both tucking into a 99 with a flake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cabbage_Face View Post
    Che Adams spotted in Carlo's Ice Cream shack with that PSG bloke, both tucking into a 99 with a flake.
    Ralph won't like that. He wants players to be ready to go when they get back to training, not working the fat off first. I can't see these deals happening now...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ivan Katalinic's 'tache View Post
    Ralph won't like that. He wants players to be ready to go when they get back to training, not working the fat off first. I can't see these deals happening now...
    I think it was one of those vegan ice creams, made entirely of grass tears and laughter.

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