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    Quote Originally Posted by Chez View Post
    CB seems to be the achilles heal of most teams, probably because it is very hard to find a player that is good in the air, strong, fast, great positionally and comfortable on the ball.
    Must be a few dotted about the Championship.

    Agree it's a pain position though, but you're right, not one of our CB's are good enough to be first choice in any premier league side. Not helped by only having Romeu who can play in front of them, and he's a liability when it comes to being booked. Neither of Hojbjerg or Lemina can play that role.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saint Garrett View Post
    Must be a few dotted about the Championship.

    Agree it's a pain position though, but you're right, not one of our CB's are good enough to be first choice in any premier league side. Not helped by only having Romeu who can play in front of them, and he's a liability when it comes to being booked. Neither of Hojbjerg or Lemina can play that role.
    Romeu hasn't missed a game through suspension for 2 seasons. Its a myth that his bookings make him a liability. We really need to find better CBs, after all none are as good as Stones or Maguire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VectisSaint View Post
    Romeu hasn't missed a game through suspension for 2 seasons. Its a myth that his bookings make him a liability. We really need to find better CBs, after all none are as good as Stones or Maguire.
    once booked a defensive midfielder walks a tightrope and thus perhaps doesn't do the job as effectively. That said, I think the bigger issue is the side as a whole giving the ball away too cheaply and midfielders having to then spend too much energy getting it back. Tiredness in the latter part of games tends to leave us very open and exposes our CBs and we then concede, because they are very average one on one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by adriansfc View Post
    We stayed up with Stephens and Hoedt playing a lot of games and Mark Hughes as manager. So yes, Bednarek and Vesterguard are more than good enough to stay up.
    we barely stayed up, and although there was an improvement under the new manager, we still only just survived. If they are that good, why weren't they trusted to play as a pair in a four man defence? Never seen a player as slow as Vesterguard. Bednarek isn't quick either. Massive upgrade needed if we are to make top half next season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chez View Post
    we barely stayed up, and although there was an improvement under the new manager, we still only just survived. If they are that good, why weren't they trusted to play as a pair in a four man defence? Never seen a player as slow as Vesterguard. Bednarek isn't quick either. Massive upgrade needed if we are to make top half next season.
    I wouldn't bother trying to reason with him, he's head-mental when it comes to assessing players abilities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chez View Post
    we barely stayed up, and although there was an improvement under the new manager, we still only just survived. If they are that good, why weren't they trusted to play as a pair in a four man defence? Never seen a player as slow as Vesterguard. Bednarek isn't quick either. Massive upgrade needed if we are to make top half next season.
    Because we don't have the midfield to play a four man defense, there is no one that can provide adequate protection to the defense the way Wanyama did. Out of Bednarek, Vestergaard and Romeu, the latter is for me quite clearly the weakest link.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cartman View Post
    Because we don't have the midfield to play a four man defense, there is no one that can provide adequate protection to the defense the way Wanyama did. Out of Bednarek, Vestergaard and Romeu, the latter is for me quite clearly the weakest link.
    Blimey, getting in early doors with a shout for least-accurate-take of the season? Romeu is slow and Bednarek has a decent knack for goal-line clearances, but Vestergaard is both glacially slow and rubbish in the air. Impressively, he was pretty much the exact opposite in every respect of the player we actually needed when we signed him.

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    Have thought for a while that Romeus legs look done. Hes a good squad player but we need a more energetic DM to protect the back 4.

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    I like Romeu. I think we could improve on him.

    But not sure the budget stretches anywhere close to signing a class defensive midfielder.

    Striker & Centre-back are more pressing this summer.

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    Romeu is not bad but not much more than that, we need better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by woodsaint View Post
    Have thought for a while that Romeus legs look done. Hes a good squad player but we need a more energetic DM to protect the back 4.
    If only we had a potentially world class Gabonese midfielder

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    Weren't there some rumours around that we were interested in Phillips at Leeds? A potential younger, less heavy-legged Romeu alternative?

    Send them Forster in the other direction and it'd be a sweet deal...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chez View Post
    we barely stayed up, and although there was an improvement under the new manager, we still only just survived. If they are that good, why weren't they trusted to play as a pair in a four man defence? Never seen a player as slow as Vesterguard. Bednarek isn't quick either. Massive upgrade needed if we are to make top half next season.
    We did stay up. And it wasn't that close, which is amazing given where we were in December.

    There's no chance this manager would only have one win by December, whether we sign anyone or not.

    Not saying we shouldn't sign someone. Vesterguard and Bednarek are a hundred times better than Stephens and Hoedt, but we can still do a lot better. Hopefully Stephens will get a championship move, Hoedt will sign for a 5th division Dutch non league side (and still look poor) and we'll sign someone who can lead the defence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by qwertyell View Post
    Weren't there some rumours around that we were interested in Phillips at Leeds? A potential younger, less heavy-legged Romeu alternative?

    Send them Forster in the other direction and it'd be a sweet deal...

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    There was a rumour Stephens was going to Leeds, it was also mentioned to me from my Leeds supporting mate from their end too.


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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperSAINT View Post
    I like Romeu. I think we could improve on him.

    But not sure the budget stretches anywhere close to signing a class defensive midfielder.

    Striker & Centre-back are more pressing this summer.

    Agree regarding striker and CB priorities, but I would really love to think we do have some kitty left over after some sales to try to prise Kalvin Phillips away from Leeds. I watched quite a bit of championship football last season, and this lad was as good a player as I saw... Strong, agile, energetic and bloody good distribution.

    I honestly think he is an international type of player - Just as good as Rice in my opinion.

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    Romeu is a bit limited but hard not to like. I'd rather we got the best out of Lemina and played him with Hojbjerg, or JWP in a 3.

    Wouldn't want to spend too much on CMs with Slattery around and hopefully improving.

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    Hojberg and Lemina never worked under Hughes, Lemina isn't a Romeu type player, he is a Hojberg type player.

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    Quote Originally Posted by adriansfc View Post
    Romeu is a bit limited but hard not to like. I'd rather we got the best out of Lemina and played him with Hojbjerg, or JWP in a 3.

    Wouldn't want to spend too much on CMs with Slattery around and hopefully improving.
    Lemina isn't good enough defensively to protect the defence, hence why we struggled when Romeu didnt play

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    Hojberg & Lemina = Box to Box/Linking Midfielders
    Romeu = Defensive Mid/Horrible ****

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    Quote Originally Posted by adriansfc View Post
    We did stay up. And it wasn't that close, which is amazing given where we were in December.

    There's no chance this manager would only have one win by December, whether we sign anyone or not.

    Not saying we shouldn't sign someone. Vesterguard and Bednarek are a hundred times better than Stephens and Hoedt, but we can still do a lot better. Hopefully Stephens will get a championship move, Hoedt will sign for a 5th division Dutch non league side (and still look poor) and we'll sign someone who can lead the defence.
    not sure I agree that Vesterguard and Bednarek are a hundred times better than Stephens and Hoedt. We have hid players in a five man defence for a season and a half now, so difficult to really judge individuals as we have yet to really see them as a pair. I alluded to this in another post, but giving away possession cheaply does have a major effect on our ability to prevent goal late in games. If you chase the ball all day eventually things open up and defences get exposed. Defensively Stephens and Hoedt have never impressed me, but on the ball they are better than Vesterguard and Bednarek. You win in some areas, but you lose in others I guess. CB has become such a challenging position to play. You need so many attributes, which is why even teams like ManU have struggled to find personnel. I worry we lack pace or ability on the ball, but better that than a complete failure to win headers I suppose...
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    Vestergaard is pretty good on the ball IMO, there was some skills/freestyle challenge on the youtube challenge the other day between him, Redmond and Targett, and he won it.

    The issue with Vestergaard is one he turns like a bus, and two he seems too eager try to go win the ball and that has caught him out of positions a few times. The Man Utd draw at home springs to mind, think he charged out to try to intercept the ball and its was laid off before he could get there, and he'd left a massive space in behind that they scored from.

    He IIRC used to be a centre-mid, and at times it shows, he's still learning to be a CB and when he should hold position, plus he had to learn the pace of the league which I think caught him out a lot last year. But I thought by the end he was performing solidly.

    The lack of pace is an issue for all of them, though they are not super slow. But I mean finding a centre-back that is quick, strong, good in the air, good on the ball and is able to mark and read the game is very very hard.

    I think Bednerak and Vestergaard are solid enough, they are decent on the ball, they win headers, tackles, blocks etc.

    I also echo what others above have said that Romeu is ok in front but IMO a more mobile DM in front of them would give them better protection.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tajjuk View Post
    Considering they were pretty much they were the same price and one was a consistent regular for us who has played over 100 games for the club and gained international honours whilst at the club, and the other has been in and out of the team with injuries and never been that consistent, I'd say that is more than a stretch.
    Thats one way of looking at it. Another would be that Austin was a goal scoring game-changer (up until about March 2018, I'm sure if you look at his goals to gametime he was our best performer by far) whilst Cedric was mediocre and often struggled to get in the team ahead of Cuco Martina, and later a young unproven Valery. Fair enough if you prefer Cedric to Austin but I don't think it's exactly a stretch as you say.

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    We are Listening to offers for Ryan Bertrand

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dazza82 View Post
    We are Listening to offers for Ryan Bertrand

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    Why?

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    He only has 2 years left on his contract so presume that may be a reason, there is quite a few clubs interested

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    Quote Originally Posted by hypochondriac View Post
    Why?
    Its on the Targett thread, Daily Echo article saying we are looking at selling him or Targett because they want Vokins to be the main back up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dazza82 View Post
    He only has 2 years left on his contract so presume that may be a reason, there is quite a few clubs interested

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    Would be surprised by this. Can't see a top 6 club interested even though is probably good enough, most of them seen to be interested in youth at the moment. Everton have Digne, Leicester are fine for left back. Doesn't leave many candidates. Maybe west ham.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sydney_saint View Post
    Would be surprised by this. Can't see a top 6 club interested even though is probably good enough, most of them seen to be interested in youth at the moment. Everton have Digne, Leicester are fine for left back. Doesn't leave many candidates. Maybe west ham.

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    Can't See Chilwell staying at Leicester, think City are looking at him, also I'm sure Rodgers worked with Bertrand at Chelsea

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dazza82 View Post
    We are Listening to offers for Ryan Bertrand

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    The article in the Echo says that there are whispers behind the scenes that there is interest in him rather than we are actively trying to sell.

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    Targett's stats for last season are better than Bertrand's, both offensively and defensively. Given the number of minutes he's been on the pitch, he's actually a bit of an assist king - there's a reason other clubs are being linked to him. Also, Bertrands getting on a bit, and I wouldn't be too concerned if we moved him on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danbert View Post
    Targett's stats for last season are better than Bertrand's, both offensively and defensively. Given the number of minutes he's been on the pitch, he's actually a bit of an assist king - there's a reason other clubs are being linked to him. Also, Bertrands getting on a bit, and I wouldn't be too concerned if we moved him on.
    I'm just happy Ralph is in-charge and will decide what's best - Especially since he's had good chance to look at both of them (& Vokins in training) last season.

    I'm not remotely surprised we may have to sell a player we wouldn't ideally need to sell in order to raise finance.

    The Echo article mentioned we may wait until the end of the window, but we would need to spend that money prior to that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperSAINT View Post
    I'm just happy Ralph is in-charge and will decide what's best - Especially since he's had good chance to look at both of them (& Vokins in training) last season.

    I'm not remotely surprised we may have to sell a player we wouldn't ideally need to sell in order to raise finance.

    The Echo article mentioned we may wait until the end of the window, but we would need to spend that money prior to that.
    What is your point? Or are you just thinking out loud??

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    I think Targett is pretty much as good as Bertrand if we play with 3 central defenders. Targett has a better cross than Bertrand (I don't think there's much between his delivery and JWPs to be honest) but Bertrand overlaps more effectively.

    Bertrand is still miles better in a back 4, though. He's far less likely to be done for pace than Targett is, and he's far better at winning the ball back.

    Sort of depends on the system Ralph actually wants us to play next season, I suppose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dazza82 View Post
    We are Listening to offers for Ryan Bertrand

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    I hope not. He is a far better player than Targett. It would make out first team weaker, defensively, not what we need....

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    Is Ryan Bertrand deadwood?

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    Looks like the Saliba link won't be happening...

    GUNNERS IN SALIBA TALKS

    Talks between Arsenal and Saint-Etienne over defender William Saliba are said to be at an advanced stage, according to Le 10 Sport.

    The 18-year-old centre-back could complete a 27m deal with the Gunners, who intend to send him back on loan to Saint-Etienne next season.

    France U19 international Saliba, who has also been linked with Manchester United, made 16 appearances in Ligue 1 last season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dazza82 View Post
    He only has 2 years left on his contract so presume that may be a reason, there is quite a few clubs interested

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    His morale is low and hes struggling with Ralphs tough but fair coaching techniques. Targett staying too.

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    Next in French goalkeeper. Best I can do I’m afraid. At Staplewood at the moment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by manji View Post
    His morale is low and hes struggling with Ralphs tough but fair coaching techniques. Targett staying too.
    I hope that's because it's not picking you based on your name but your training field performance

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    Quote Originally Posted by manji View Post
    Next in French goalkeeper. Best I can do Im afraid. At Staplewood at the moment.
    Are we opening a goalkeeping academy

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    Quote Originally Posted by manji View Post
    His morale is low and hes struggling with Ralphs tough but fair coaching techniques. Targett staying too.
    Do you think Berty is more likely to go of the 2?

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    Next in French goalkeeper. Best I can do Im afraid. At Staplewood at the moment.
    Wonder if it's for the first team or a scholar?

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    Quote Originally Posted by manji View Post
    Next in French goalkeeper. Best I can do I’m afraid. At Staplewood at the moment.
    I won't believe this until the brassica'd one claims it as a scoop!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dazza82 View Post
    Can't See Chilwell staying at Leicester, think City are looking at him, also I'm sure Rodgers worked with Bertrand at Chelsea

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    If or rather when Chilwell goes Brenda will sign Tierney

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heisenberg View Post
    Is Ryan Bertrand deadwood?
    Appears so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by manji View Post
    Next in French goalkeeper. Best I can do I’m afraid. At Staplewood at the moment.
    Alban Lafont

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    Quote Originally Posted by manji View Post
    Next in French goalkeeper. Best I can do I’m afraid. At Staplewood at the moment.
    Edouard Mendy of Reims?
    Or now that I think of it, it could be Alban Lafont of Fiorentina.
    Very young goalkeeper, big clubs were in for him last season before he left Toulouse.
    Wasn’t able to hold down a first team place at Fiorentina. Would be good competition for Gunn

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    Hopefully this is wrong, but my son claims Obafemi indicated on Instagram tonight he might be off. Son says the post has since been deleted. Anyone else heard anything or do I need to dope test the lad?

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