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    Longest build-up thread ever.

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    0-2 saints win

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    This is cool as we can likely at this point suggest a team without any injuries. I would like:

    Gunn

    Yosh vest bednarek

    Valery Hoj lemina bertrand

    JWP ings redmond

    With lemina > romeu to hold a lead and yosh > Armstrong if we are chasing the game, sims being a useful impact sub when they are tired.

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    Well up for this one - 3000 away fans should be a great day out.

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    Gunn
    Valery bednarek yoshi vestergaard Bertrand
    Jwp hojberg
    Sims ings Redmond

    Subs: McCarthy, Stephens, Romeu, gallagher, lemina, Armstrong, targett

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    Quote Originally Posted by K,Billy's supersound View Post
    0-2 saints win
    You were ITK on the Spurs score/result, mate.

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    Pretty much summer by the time we play this game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TWar View Post
    This is cool as we can likely at this point suggest a team without any injuries. I would like:

    Gunn

    Yosh vest bednarek

    Valery Hoj lemina bertrand

    JWP ings redmond

    With lemina > romeu to hold a lead and yosh > Armstrong if we are chasing the game, sims being a useful impact sub when they are tired.
    Would be harsh for Romeu to lose his place. We know what Lemina is capable of but I'm not sure I'd risk breaking up what's become a decent midfield, particularly by removing its best defender.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LGTL View Post
    Pretty much summer by the time we play this game.
    I wish! We have enormous snow piles here (about 6-8 ft either side of each driveway). Warmer temps on the way but it’ll still be hanging around by then, although much reduced (hopefully). We’ve had a brutal winter.

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    Same team as the one that started vs UTD and Spurs but swap Ings for Austin.

    We must attack Brighton hard and don’t sit back plus someone needs to nail Murray as he is an arsel against us.
    Sims off the bench around 60 minutes should wrap up the 3 points.

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    3k Saints, Brighton is a great day on the p*ss, it's a 3pm k/o and the game is huge. In theory this has everything you need for a cracking atmosphere and a proper, proper away day.

    We also have an alright record in Brighton and they look beatable.

    Just hope the bingo bus lot have a break for the day and decide to jump on the train, have some beers and get behind the lads, because winning this one means we're level on points with them and their run in is a hell of a lot worse than ours.

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    Brighton should beat Millwall in the Cup next week but hopefully it will be a hard physical contest, they will then have a FA Cup semi final at Wembley the week after we play them as a distraction. Having won their last two league games they'll think they're almost safe.
    We had a good win there in the league cup back in August, would have beaten them at St Marys as well but for an injury time pen.

    Trains from Southampton direct look ok, coming from London bit of a pain with bus replacements from Three Bridges.

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    I still don't think Lemina will be reaadt but Ings will

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    tempting to try this:

    --------Gunn-----------
    ---Yoshi--Vest----bednarek--
    Valery-----hoj------Berty
    ---Sims---Jwp---Redmond
    ---------Ings--------

    Need to go full attack like we did in the 2nd half yesterday. Win it and get a draw against Liverpool I think we will be safe, Cardiff have a hell of a run now and that would put d daylight between us

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    Weren’t they supposed to offer us full allocation (30k) for this game? As part of some transfer clause...?

    Anyway Choose your 11 from this:

    Gunn
    Valery
    Bednarek
    Yoshida
    Vestergaard
    Bertrand
    Højbjerg
    Lemina
    Romeu
    Armstrong
    Jwp
    Redmond
    Sims
    Ings

    McCarthy
    Targett
    Long
    Gallagher

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    Quote Originally Posted by OttawaSaint View Post
    I wish! We have enormous snow piles here (about 6-8 ft either side of each driveway). Warmer temps on the way but it’ll still be hanging around by then, although much reduced (hopefully). We’ve had a brutal winter.
    I’ll second this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Avenue_Saint View Post
    Weren’t they supposed to offer us full allocation (30k) for this game? As part of some transfer clause...?

    Anyway Choose your 11 from this:

    Gunn
    Valery
    Bednarek
    Yoshida
    Vestergaard
    Bertrand
    Højbjerg
    Lemina
    Romeu
    Armstrong
    Jwp
    Redmond
    Sims
    Ings

    McCarthy
    Targett
    Long
    Gallagher
    That was a wind-up by the UI.

    I’m genuinely stunned that anyone would think we’d get a 30k allocation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LGTL View Post
    That was a wind-up by the UI.

    I’m genuinely stunned that anyone would think we’d get a 30k allocation.
    Clearly not intelligent enough...

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    I'm curious how Ralph will approach this game. Will we try & play on the counter? Or try & dominate possession & play a high line?

    They don't have a great amount of pace at the back, but have lots of power.

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    I think the main thing is that after winning yesterday and getting 3 unexpected points, this game is not so "6 pointer" as it was so a draw will suffice. On the other hand perhaps thats the wrong mindset and keep it a must win?

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    Quote Originally Posted by fanimal View Post
    I think the main thing is that after winning yesterday and getting 3 unexpected points, this game is not so "6 pointer" as it was so a draw will suffice. On the other hand perhaps thats the wrong mindset and keep it a must win?
    We cannot slacken, we are still in the position of controlling our own destiny, and beating Brighton would ensure that they are kept down in the maelstrom. Also, the players need to keep building confidence and self-belief.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LGTL View Post
    That was a wind-up by the UI.

    I’m genuinely stunned that anyone would think we’d get a 30k allocation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Avenue_Saint View Post
    Clearly not intelligent enough...
    Clearly not. Especially given their ground only holds just over 30k. Do you honestly think that any football club, in the world, let alone PL, would give the away team 99% of their capacity and leave 750 seats for the home fans

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    Massive game, win and I think we are as good as safe. Lose and we’re right in amongst it still.

    I’m going for 1-1.

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    Funny how things are turning out as many on here insisted that this year with the dominance of the big 6 clubs could ease from relegation with only 32 or 34 points. Now we are all on 30 with 8 matches to play and still feeling uncomfortable it is evident that a much higher target will be needed to stay up. Hassenhuttl says 40 which is the normally quoted figure and he could be right. For us that's three wins and a draw or two wins and four draws.

    Surely we can do that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charlie Wayman View Post
    Funny how things are turning out as many on here insisted that this year with the dominance of the big 6 clubs could ease from relegation with only 32 or 34 points. Now we are all on 30 with 8 matches to play and still feeling uncomfortable it is evident that a much higher target will be needed to stay up. Hassenhuttl says 40 which is the normally quoted figure and he could be right. For us that's three wins and a draw or two wins and four draws.

    Surely we can do that?
    40 points has not been needed for the vast majority of a 38 game PL season. Unlikely it will this year either... especially with Cardiff, Brighton and Burnley's fixture lists.

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    I still think Cardiff will be in the 32-34 points range.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lighthouse View Post
    I still think Cardiff will be in the 32-34 points range.
    I think they’ll get a few more 35-37.

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    Just looked at Cardiff's run in and hadn't been aware that, of their remaining 8 matches, only 3 are at home. Two of those home games are Chelsea and Liverpool whilst the other is Palace which will be tricky. Away games for them to come at both Manchester clubs, Brighton, Burnley and Fulham. Despite beating us at St Marys their away record is horrendous. I can't see them mustering many points from those fixtures. In comparison we have home games against Liverpool, Wolves, Bournemouth and Huddersfield whilst we travel to Brighton, Newcastle, West Ham and Watford. We sit two points in front of Cardiff with a vastly superior goal difference so, in conclusion, we should be confident of avoiding the drop. This assumes that Fulham and/or Huddersfield are not suddenly going to rise, Phoenix like, from the ashes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by saintant View Post
    Just looked at Cardiff's run in and hadn't been aware that, of their remaining 8 matches, only 3 are at home. Two of those home games are Chelsea and Liverpool whilst the other is Palace which will be tricky. Away games for them to come at both Manchester clubs, Brighton, Burnley and Fulham. Despite beating us at St Marys their away record is horrendous. I can't see them mustering many points from those fixtures. In comparison we have home games against Liverpool, Wolves, Bournemouth and Huddersfield whilst we travel to Brighton, Newcastle, West Ham and Watford. We sit two points in front of Cardiff with a vastly superior goal difference so, in conclusion, we should be confident of avoiding the drop. This assumes that Fulham and/or Huddersfield are not suddenly going to rise, Phoenix like, from the ashes.


    Been thinking Cardiff always play at home. Tends to even out in the end though and not yet known any team play more than half their league games at home

    3-0 win will see us go above Brighton but will take 2-0

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baird of the land View Post
    I think they’ll get a few more 35-37.
    This I see my guess for them too, probably 35. Of course it might not even be them that gets relegated, Burnley despite their reasonable form have been dragged right back into it, and it was a bad weekend of results for Palace too.

    I found this table on the Spurs forum...

    https://www.thefightingcock.co.uk/fo....30747/page-10



    I'm not sure who created it but it suggests we could finish close to 44 points, in 14th. I doubt we will get 14 points from 24 but I'd certainly take that!

    As for the Brighton game, I guess the only change would be Ings for Austin, but with Lemina not too far off fitness and Sims and Armstrong having strong cameo aPpearances against Spuds, there's a selection dilemma there for Ralph. Maybe switch to a back 4 and add an attacking player?

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    Expect us to be bang up for this, and at this stage feeling confident of at least a draw. I'd like:

    Gunn
    Jan
    Yoshi
    Vesti
    Valrey
    JWP
    Hoj
    Bertrand
    Redmond
    Ings
    Armstrong

    McCarthy
    Stephens
    Targett
    Romeu
    Lamina
    Sims
    Austin

    By and large the team that finished Saturday, but with Ings starting if fit instead of Sims. Possibly a bit harsh for Long to miss out entirely - thought he was decent for his 20 mins Saturday and could be useful if we get our noses in front and are defending; but Sims has to be the 'pace' option after his performance, and Austin offers more of a goal threat IMHO. If Lamina's not fit would want either Slattery or Long as the other sub. Other substitute option might be to bin off Stephens and have Bertrand as our 'sub' centre back (Targett to left back, move Ryan).

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    Ralph's average points take so far if maintained would give us 42. It is still a big 'ask' with all our opponents fighting for something. Even if we win two at home and draw one other, we still need three draws for our four away games... we'd better pay the fat lady a lot of money to stay in the dressing room for now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charlie Wayman View Post
    Ralph's average points take so far if maintained would give us 42. It is still a big 'ask' with all our opponents fighting for something. Even if we win two at home and draw one other, we still need three draws for our four away games... we'd better pay the fat lady a lot of money to stay in the dressing room for now.
    If we do that, we will stay up. No points will be needed from the other games, we would stay up on 37.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charlie Wayman View Post
    Ralph's average points take so far if maintained would give us 42. It is still a big 'ask' with all our opponents fighting for something. Even if we win two at home and draw one other, we still need three draws for our four away games... we'd better pay the fat lady a lot of money to stay in the dressing room for now.
    Maybe you should take a look at Cardiff's remaining fixtures. It might help allay some of your fears.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JRM View Post
    Brighton should beat Millwall in the Cup next week but hopefully it will be a hard physical contest, they will then have a FA Cup semi final at Wembley the week after we play them as a distraction. Having won their last two league games they'll think they're almost safe.
    We had a good win there in the league cup back in August, would have beaten them at St Marys as well but for an injury time pen.

    Trains from Southampton direct look ok, coming from London bit of a pain with bus replacements from Three Bridges.
    Whether they have a hard game or not we are usually dreadful after a long break. It better to be playing that endure long lay offs often resulting in lethargic performances.

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    Quote Originally Posted by saintant View Post
    Maybe you should take a look at Cardiff's remaining fixtures. It might help allay some of your fears.
    It's best not to underestimate anybody during the run in, not so long ago Cardiff looked dead certs for the drop but they've confounded a lot of people of late. We must do it ourselves and not find our salvation in other's failing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by captainchris View Post
    Whether they have a hard game or not we are usually dreadful after a long break. It better to be playing that endure long lay offs often resulting in lethargic performances.
    Ho about that Ralph fields almost the entire team in an under 23 match to keep them match sharp? Long layoffs are always a disaster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charlie Wayman View Post
    Ralph's average points take so far if maintained would give us 42. It is still a big 'ask' with all our opponents fighting for something. Even if we win two at home and draw one other, we still need three draws for our four away games... we'd better pay the fat lady a lot of money to stay in the dressing room for now.
    36/37 will be enough. We'll probably end up in the 40's though.

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    Win this and we are level on points but still adrift on goal difference.2 or 3 nil with a clean sheet and Ill be happy.However,who is the person in the middle for this? He can make a hell of a difference.COYS

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    Quote Originally Posted by captainchris View Post
    Whether they have a hard game or not we are usually dreadful after a long break. It better to be playing that endure long lay offs often resulting in lethargic performances.
    Yeah I agree, although this break includes international matches so preparations will depend on which of our players are travelling around, if Yoshida is in the Far East he often sits out the next league game. Hoijberg and Bednarek will be away, bound to be a few others once all the squads are announced, not sure if Brighton usually have many call ups.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OttawaSaint View Post
    I wish! We have enormous snow piles here (about 6-8 ft either side of each driveway). Warmer temps on the way but it’ll still be hanging around by then, although much reduced (hopefully). We’ve had a brutal winter.
    Starting to warm up down here in Atlanta and MLS season is up and running, although Frank De Boer is not too popular with the Atlanta United fans and his tactics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Atlanta Saint View Post
    Starting to warm up down here in Atlanta and MLS season is up and running, although Frank De Boer is not too popular with the Atlanta United fans and his tactics.
    Watched your game last night. Way to **** away a good win. Was almost Saints-esque.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Atlanta Saint View Post
    Starting to warm up down here in Atlanta and MLS season is up and running, although Frank De Boer is not too popular with the Atlanta United fans and his tactics.
    Y’all deserve some struggle (Quakes fan.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chewy View Post
    Expect us to be bang up for this, and at this stage feeling confident of at least a draw. I'd like:

    Gunn
    Jan
    Yoshi
    Vesti
    Valrey
    JWP
    Hoj
    Bertrand
    Redmond
    Ings
    Armstrong

    McCarthy
    Stephens
    Targett
    Romeu
    Lamina
    Sims
    Austin

    By and large the team that finished Saturday, but with Ings starting if fit instead of Sims. Possibly a bit harsh for Long to miss out entirely - thought he was decent for his 20 mins Saturday and could be useful if we get our noses in front and are defending; but Sims has to be the 'pace' option after his performance, and Austin offers more of a goal threat IMHO. If Lamina's not fit would want either Slattery or Long as the other sub. Other substitute option might be to bin off Stephens and have Bertrand as our 'sub' centre back (Targett to left back, move Ryan).
    Not far off with this.

    We need a striker, cb, right back and possibly a winger in the summer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charlie Wayman View Post
    It's best not to underestimate anybody during the run in, not so long ago Cardiff looked dead certs for the drop but they've confounded a lot of people of late. We must do it ourselves and not find our salvation in other's failing.
    Their fixtures are horrible, plus with the goal difference they need to get 3 points more than us, so that would mean them getting 10 points from their last 8 if we got to 37.

    They are IMO going to have to beat, or even probably get 4 points from their 4 games against the top 6, because neither of their 'easier' away games are going to be easy, especially Burnley and especially for a team so poor away.

    I think they basically screwed up losing those two home games vs Watford and Everton so badly, you have to get points from your winnable home games and they got zero and ruined their goal difference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tajjuk View Post
    Their fixtures are horrible, plus with the goal difference they need to get 3 points more than us, so that would mean them getting 10 points from their last 8 if we got to 37.

    They are IMO going to have to beat, or even probably get 4 points from their 4 games against the top 6, because neither of their 'easier' away games are going to be easy, especially Burnley and especially for a team so poor away.

    I think they basically screwed up losing those two home games vs Watford and Everton so badly, you have to get points from your winnable home games and they got zero and ruined their goal difference.
    Pretty sure 1 point more than us would keep them up.

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    After Ralph's near faux pas at last week's presser, the rumour of us playing a Championship team during our long break has gone cold. Wonder what happened? Norwich or Leeds would be a good test for them and us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by for_heaven's_Saint View Post
    Pretty sure 1 point more than us would keep them up.
    Yes, but given they are currently 2 points behind us, they need to get 3 points more than us between now and the end of the season in order to achieve that.

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    My concern is we seem to play well against the better 'footballing' teams but struggle against the supposedly average team - look at what happen in Jan/Feb.

    We played well/got a great result against Man U and Spurs but I hope we dont fall into average performances again for our next, on paper winnable games (as we did against Cardiff and Burnley).

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