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    One thing I could applaud the referee for last night was booking Ryan Bertrand for fannying about with the throw-ins.
    For blooming ages our play from throw-ins has been pretty pants. Hopefully now that Bertie has received a booking we might spend an extra 5 minutes at least at the end training to get them sorted..................well 5 minutes is far more than we spend on them at the moment.

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    Knowone was showing for who ever was tacking the throw ins.

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    We are shocking at throw ins. Last night we repeatedly lost possession from our own throes.

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    There was a particularly shocking one last night in 2nd half by Valery where we had it near their corner flag and he just threw it straight out over the goal line nowhere near any of our players. WTF?

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    I was wondering why I’d never seen this mentioned on here before.

    Would love to see stats on this as we must be one of the worst in the PL at this. Our players never show for throw ins, so the throw in taker never has options.

    It’s been a problem we’ve had since Puel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shandy_Top_89 View Post
    I was wondering why I’d never seen this mentioned on here before.

    Would love to see stats on this as we must be one of the worst in the PL at this. Our players never show for throw ins, so the throw in taker never has options.

    It’s been a problem we’ve had since Puel.
    Spot on. It's very frustrating as we certainly don't give ourselves any advantage when we have a throw-in. It's basic stuff and we continue to shoot ourselves in the foot by clearly not working on this in training (or working on it badly, if we do).

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    Yes earlier this season Valery got a yellow for time wasting over a throw. When the cause of his delay was because no one came to give him an option. It's basic stuff. And well I don't advocate Pulis/Delap tactics, someone who can take a long throw would be useful.

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    I can only agree with all the previous comments

    Our throw ins are basically an opportunity to give the ball away to our opponents.

    There was a report a while back that Liverpool employ a specialised throw in coach.

    Not sure we want to go that far but surely we should be better prepared in this part of the game

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    I’ve sometimes wondered if it’s deliberate. Take ages drawing as many opponents towards the throw as possible, then look for a quick switch. Sometimes it’s better to just take the first option though.

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    Ought to get Dave Watson to help work on them.

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    When we get throws near the corners (both ends) it is always the full back/wing back who takes them, neither have long throws and the opposition KNOW that and can press us in.

    We have 2 players in the team who can take a long throw, Jannik V and Jan B.
    However both are left in the centre of the defence marking no one (marking areas of the pitch, a zone usually)
    Imo what should happen is that 1 of them should take the throws but the full backs should fill in defence.

    I am not saying we should become like cardiff and that every throw should be long, but it would be nice for say 1 in 5 was long which would force the oppo not to "press us into the corner flag"

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    I read "Flippin'" in the voice of Steve McDonald from Coronation Street.

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    The guy who sits next to me in the Kingsland mentions this every home match and when it's brought to your attention you really notice that we muck it up time after time !
    It's become a real 'pet hate' and Ralph really needs to work on it !!

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    Didn't their third goal come from a goal kick that was handed to them after our woeful throw-in?

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    Think it’s time the FA let a team sub on a throwing expert.
    While we are at it we could always bring on JWP for free kicks only (a joke)

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    I agree - and I think i'm the guy who sits next to you.
    The problem in my view is less with the player taking the throw, but more with the receiving players.
    We don't get enough players in positions to receive the throw. Those who are near the thrower are static and hence easy to mark.
    Late on in the Liverpool game Yan V threw the ball into a dangerous area, but it went out for a goal kick. The problem in my view was that Josh Sims did'nt move.
    The basic principle of throw the ball in and play it back to the thrower seems to be beyond us - something that is coached at junior level in schools.

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    I assumed it was a tactic associated with the high press game. Not so much “not showing” but more not rushing, so a bit more recovery time - so we can press more effectively with the energy saved? That’s why the yellow card was incredibly harsh.

    I think we can safely assume at premiership level it’s not some sort of “schoolboy error” if it is static used repeatedly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil63 View Post
    I agree - and I think i'm the guy who sits next to you.
    The problem in my view is less with the player taking the throw, but more with the receiving players.
    We don't get enough players in positions to receive the throw. Those who are near the thrower are static and hence easy to mark.
    Late on in the Liverpool game Yan V threw the ball into a dangerous area, but it went out for a goal kick. The problem in my view was that Josh Sims did'nt move.
    The basic principle of throw the ball in and play it back to the thrower seems to be beyond us - something that is coached at junior level in schools.
    Looking at your username, I guess that you are Phil, his name is Ray so I doubt that you sit next to me but it proves that lots of people have noticed this and consider it to be a problem !

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    I brought this up years ago, it's been bad for that long. IMO apart from the proper long throw into the goalmouth which we can't do, there are really only two safe throw ins. The tap back to the thrower is a busted flush as we usually lose the ball.

    Firstly the quick throw to unmarked players under no pressure and the throw down the line. Throwing down the line isn't aimless. It needs good organisation. Put three players quickly within range of the thrower about two to three yards off the line then throw the ball hard between them and the line, their markers will then challenge and mostly the ball will be forced out for another throw in. Just continue the process as the defenders mostly won't be able to get outside the ball and concede another throw. When within range of the bye line play the ball towards the bye line and try and win a corner or get a cross in. As the team knows what is happening they can close the space down inside making it a safe action defensively.

    The aim is get into the opponents last third by just gaining ground. opponents will try and disrupt it but it is really almost impossible to defend against without conceding another throw/corner. The only time I've seen us do this is trying to defend a lead in the last minutes but it works. However if we win a corner we have to still have a defensive cover unlike Friday night, not for the first time get sucker punched. Losing a goal to your own corner is a nonsense.

    Whilst on that subject we need two about the halfway line, not level, one further forward then another between them and the penalty area. If the likes of Salah make a break the first player can block him, play the man like the top clubs, only a booking because no last man. We were really thick against Liverpool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by derry View Post
    I brought this up years ago, it's been bad for that long. IMO apart from the proper long throw into the goalmouth which we can't do, there are really only two safe throw ins. The tap back to the thrower is a busted flush as we usually lose the ball.

    Firstly the quick throw to unmarked players under no pressure and the throw down the line. Throwing down the line isn't aimless. It needs good organisation. Put three players quickly within range of the thrower about two to three yards off the line then throw the ball hard between them and the line, their markers will then challenge and mostly the ball will be forced out for another throw in. Just continue the process as the defenders mostly won't be able to get outside the ball and concede another throw. When within range of the bye line play the ball towards the bye line and try and win a corner or get a cross in. As the team knows what is happening they can close the space down inside making it a safe action defensively.

    The aim is get into the opponents last third by just gaining ground. opponents will try and disrupt it but it is really almost impossible to defend against without conceding another throw/corner. The only time I've seen us do this is trying to defend a lead in the last minutes but it works. However if we win a corner we have to still have a defensive cover unlike Friday night, not for the first time get sucker punched. Losing a goal to your own corner is a nonsense.

    Whilst on that subject we need two about the halfway line, not level, one further forward then another between them and the penalty area. If the likes of Salah make a break the first player can block him, play the man like the top clubs, only a booking because no last man. We were really thick against Liverpool.
    I agree with your perception Dave and I would also like to see a speed merchant standing in our half of the centre circle for the oppos corners against us too as it would tie up two of their players.

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    Quote Originally Posted by derry View Post
    I brought this up years ago, it's been bad for that long. IMO apart from the proper long throw into the goalmouth which we can't do, there are really only two safe throw ins. The tap back to the thrower is a busted flush as we usually lose the ball.

    Firstly the quick throw to unmarked players under no pressure and the throw down the line. Throwing down the line isn't aimless. It needs good organisation. Put three players quickly within range of the thrower about two to three yards off the line then throw the ball hard between them and the line, their markers will then challenge and mostly the ball will be forced out for another throw in. Just continue the process as the defenders mostly won't be able to get outside the ball and concede another throw. When within range of the bye line play the ball towards the bye line and try and win a corner or get a cross in. As the team knows what is happening they can close the space down inside making it a safe action defensively.

    The aim is get into the opponents last third by just gaining ground. opponents will try and disrupt it but it is really almost impossible to defend against without conceding another throw/corner. The only time I've seen us do this is trying to defend a lead in the last minutes but it works. However if we win a corner we have to still have a defensive cover unlike Friday night, not for the first time get sucker punched. Losing a goal to your own corner is a nonsense.

    Whilst on that subject we need two about the halfway line, not level, one further forward then another between them and the penalty area. If the likes of Salah make a break the first player can block him, play the man like the top clubs, only a booking because no last man. We were really thick against Liverpool.
    May as well toss into the mix, from a full goal kick the ball always goes left where it’s busy, you would have thought a bit of guile make to go left and suddenly launch it right for Valery to run onto and whip into the box?

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Boy Saint View Post
    One thing I could applaud the referee for last night was booking Ryan Bertrand for fannying about with the throw-ins.
    For blooming ages our play from throw-ins has been pretty pants. Hopefully now that Bertie has received a booking we might spend an extra 5 minutes at least at the end training to get them sorted..................well 5 minutes is far more than we spend on them at the moment.
    The booking was for time wasting. Not sure how that should inspire Saints to raise the quality of throw ins.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toomer View Post
    Knowone was showing for who ever was tacking the throw ins.
    This (but in English).

    Our throw-ins are rubbish because nobody makes themselves available to receive the ball. Everyone stands still, in predictable positions, doing nothing to lose their marker. Combined with the fact the only two players who have good range don't take throw-ins often and it means we lose the ball 90% of the time. You can often see the player taking the throw-in getting frustrated with the lack of options, which means they just chuck it anywhere to avoid a booking for time-wasting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by derry View Post
    I brought this up years ago, it's been bad for that long. IMO apart from the proper long throw into the goalmouth which we can't do, there are really only two safe throw ins. The tap back to the thrower is a busted flush as we usually lose the ball.

    Firstly the quick throw to unmarked players under no pressure and the throw down the line. Throwing down the line isn't aimless. It needs good organisation. Put three players quickly within range of the thrower about two to three yards off the line then throw the ball hard between them and the line, their markers will then challenge and mostly the ball will be forced out for another throw in. Just continue the process as the defenders mostly won't be able to get outside the ball and concede another throw. When within range of the bye line play the ball towards the bye line and try and win a corner or get a cross in. As the team knows what is happening they can close the space down inside making it a safe action defensively.

    The aim is get into the opponents last third by just gaining ground. opponents will try and disrupt it but it is really almost impossible to defend against without conceding another throw/corner. The only time I've seen us do this is trying to defend a lead in the last minutes but it works. However if we win a corner we have to still have a defensive cover unlike Friday night, not for the first time get sucker punched. Losing a goal to your own corner is a nonsense.

    Whilst on that subject we need two about the halfway line, not level, one further forward then another between them and the penalty area. If the likes of Salah make a break the first player can block him, play the man like the top clubs, only a booking because no last man. We were really thick against Liverpool.

    Great thoughts, and when we get a corner the other team are more likely to score as they hit us on the break.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matthew Le God View Post
    The booking was for time wasting. Not sure how that should inspire Saints to raise the quality of throw ins.
    Gosh I hadn’t thought of that - why would we be time wasting at 2-1 down?

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    Whatever happened to trowing into space, I always used to do it, and liked having it done, you get a running start on a moving ball.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gingeletiss View Post
    Whatever happened to trowing into space, I always used to do it, and liked having it done, you get a running start on a moving ball.
    Loved to see you run after a ball now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pilchards View Post
    Loved to see you run after a ball now?
    I can walk quite fast

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Boy Saint View Post
    Gosh I hadn’t thought of that - why would we be time wasting at 2-1 down?
    Bertrand was booked in the 75th minute

    Liverpool's 2nd goal was in the 80th minute

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shandy_Top_89 View Post
    I was wondering why I’d never seen this mentioned on here before.

    Would love to see stats on this as we must be one of the worst in the PL at this. Our players never show for throw ins, so the throw in taker never has options.

    It’s been a problem we’ve had since Puel.
    https://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthre...)#.XKtOc4XTW9c

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Boy Saint View Post
    Gosh I hadn’t thought of that - why would we be time wasting at 2-1 down?
    It was 1-1 when Bertrand was booked. He wasn't wasting time as such, he was trying to delay play for recovery purposes. We were under the cosh at the time and Bertrand sensibly realised we needed to kill their momentum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Boy Saint View Post
    May as well toss into the mix, from a full goal kick the ball always goes left where it’s busy, you would have thought a bit of guile make to go left and suddenly launch it right for Valery to run onto and whip into the box?
    They did this a few games back (can't remember which). It worked well, I think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shandy_Top_89 View Post
    I was wondering why I’d never seen this mentioned on here before.

    Would love to see stats on this as we must be one of the worst in the PL at this. Our players never show for throw ins, so the throw in taker never has options.

    It’s been a problem we’ve had since Puel.
    Since Puel????

    We've been sh it at throws for over 35 years. Probably since Golac, Ball and Channon played together.

    We even had Delap for 5 seasons and barely used his (only?) attribute.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lets B Avenue View Post
    Since Puel????

    We've been sh it at throws for over 35 years. Probably since Golac, Ball and Channon played together.

    We even had Delap for 5 seasons and barely used his (only?) attribute.
    Spot on we’ve been rubbish as long as I can remember, can’t believe in these days of anaylising everything we haven’t done anything about this problem

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Boy Saint View Post
    For blooming ages our play from throw-ins has been pretty pants.
    I'm sure I've read or been told by a coach somewhere that throw-ins are one of the situations in which teams are most likely to give the ball away. But I recall years ago shouting at our players at throw-ins to "move!", so it's certainly nothing new. Having said that we still need to improve.

    We were actually practising them at my team's last session which was back on our home pitch under natural light: a useful exercise as we realised one of our recent recruits can get it into the area on our narrowish pitch. As pointed out above it would be useful if we too could occasionally use longer throws to be slightly less predictable, so V or JB would need to take more throws, otherwise them trotting over would be a sure fire sign it will be going long. Waiting for the usual full back to take all the time also allows the opposition to get in position and a bit of quick thinking by somebody near to the ball might end up being profitable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Boy Saint View Post
    One thing I could applaud the referee for last night was booking Ryan Bertrand for fannying about with the throw-ins.
    For blooming ages our play from throw-ins has been pretty pants. Hopefully now that Bertie has received a booking we might spend an extra 5 minutes at least at the end training to get them sorted..................well 5 minutes is far more than we spend on them at the moment.
    Considering that booking was what stopped him just chopping down Salah before their second goal I'm going to have to disagree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matthew Le God View Post
    Bertrand was booked in the 75th minute

    Liverpool's 2nd goal was in the 80th minute
    I happily stand corrected - still the fact remains our play from throw ins is pretty woeful, he had been ticked off already by the ref earlier, and booked cheaply on the 3rd occaision. With Bertie booked it probably lead to Valery, who had been booked earlier in the season for the same offence just throwing it out of play for a Liverpool goal kick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The9 View Post
    Considering that booking was what stopped him just chopping down Salah before their second goal I'm going to have to disagree.
    Bertrand knew even without that booking that if he had chopped down Salah, Tierney would have been reaching for his top pocket to present him with the first shot at the hot water in the showers card.
    So you are perfectly happy with our poor showing at 99.9% of our throw ins? (Which is the main subject)

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    There must be plan but it doesn't seem to be working.

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