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    Quote Originally Posted by suewhistle View Post
    Looking at surprising inclusions Smallbone, N'Lundulu and Klarer are interesting. Has Klarer come on more than Alfie Jones, perhaps? Hoedt is another surprise but presumably because we haven't signed a new CB yet whereas Carillo isn't as we have new forwards.
    Klarer is very different to Jones. He's more a head to ball type, whereas Jones more of a sweeper type from what I've seen. That squad has 4 x CM's, one of which is Smallbone, and I think 6 x CB's. I wander if the intention is to take a look at Stephens as 1 of the 2 in front of the back 4.

    Re Hoedt, I think it's a bit like Forster - nobody else will have them so why not see if we can use them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VectisSaint View Post
    Surprised there is a place for Elyounoussi.
    Hopefully just trying to give other clubs the impression that he isn't totally surplus to requirements, boosting his desirability in the market.

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    Here's my take on that squad, with Armstrong, Boufal and Djenepo added:

    * = Prem quality
    p = potential
    ? = unknown quantity
    X = proven to be not up to it - get rid if possible...

    GK
    • Angus Gunn *
    • Alex McCarthy *
    • Fraser Forster X
    • Harry Lewis ?

    WB/FB
    • Yan Valery *
    • Cťdric *
    • Ryan Bertrand *
    • Jake Vokins p

    CB
    • Maya Yoshida *
    • Jannik Vestergaard * (in a three...)
    • Jack Stephens X
    • Jan Bednarek *
    • Wesley Hoedt X
    • Christoph Klarer ?

    DM
    • Pierre-Emile HÝjbjerg *
    • Oriol Romeu *

    AM
    • Stuart Armstrong ? (I want to see him after a RH pre-season...)
    • James Ward-Prowse *
    • Will Smallbone ?
    • Mohamed Elyounoussi X
    • Josh Sims p
    • Nathan Redmond *
    • Moussa Djenepo ?
    • Sofiane Boufal X

    CF
    • Shane Long X
    • Danny Ings *
    • Che Adams p
    • Michael Obafemi p
    • Dan N’Lundulu p

    So to summarise:
    GK - more than adequate at the moment but I assume McCarthy will probably go leaving FF and HL to fight it out for number 2 (or will we sign someone once Alex leaves?).
    WB/FB - a lot depend on how good Vokins is (anyone know?) and whether Cedric leaves. If he does, I assume we will sign a new RB as understudy/competition.
    CB - our weakest area. If RH wants to play four at the back we need (at least) one new first-choice CB to play alongside Bednarek.
    DM - has RH decided that neither Reed nor Slattery are good enough? Smallbone? If we're playing 4222 then only having two players for two starting places is obviously high risk (assuming Lemina leaves). Unless RH thinks that JWP is adequate cover?
    AM - an area of considerable uncertainty... Assuming 4222, I assume that Redmond and Djenepo are first choice, though Djenepo is an unknown quantity at the moment... Then who? Assuming Boufal leaves, then Armstrong, JWP, Sims?
    CF - Ings and Adams as starters in a 4222 with Obafemi and N'Lundulu behind them in the pecking order? Will Long be retained as less-than-ideal cover?

    Where would we finish in the league with this team?:

    Gunn
    Valery Bednarek Yoshida Bertrand
    PEH Romeo
    Djenepo Redmond
    Ings Adams

    Subs:
    Forster
    Vestergaard
    Vokins
    JWP
    Armstrong
    Obafemi
    Long

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    Interesting to see Wesley Hoedt on the plane. If Ralph can turn Hoedt into the CB we really need, he's more football miracle worker than football manager.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mcbendy View Post

    Where would we finish in the league with this team?:

    Gunn
    Valery Bednarek Yoshida Bertrand
    PEH Romeo
    Djenepo Redmond
    Ings Adams

    Subs:
    Forster
    Vestergaard
    Vokins
    JWP
    Armstrong
    Obafemi
    Long
    Honestly, unless Djenepo and Adams suddenly tear up the league, I feel we'd be roughly in the same place we were last season, albeit with perhaps a marginally less squeaky last week or two. It's a team with almost no spine, crying out for more strength at CB and DM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ivan Katalinic's 'tache View Post
    Interesting to see Wesley Hoedt on the plane. If Ralph can turn Hoedt into the CB we really need, he's more football miracle worker than football manager.
    He has got to better than he has shown so far, and RH doesn’t have a lot of other option. Player needs to knuckle down, get fit, drop the alleged attitude and he might have an opportunity to revive his career, be that SFC or somewhere else. If we can’t gwt another CB in though, it would leave us well short of pace at the back bar Maya.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperSAINT View Post
    Nice to see Klarer get some time with the first team - unless he's just there to act as a tour guide...

    Most obvious thing: holy smokes we're short in midfield. With Lemina headed out and Armstrong a combination of often injured and or crap, we need some more quality there stat. Don't think Slattery is anything special at all. And the only interest in Smallbone is seeing him face off against Longstaff to prove once and for all whether size matters.

    For me, we're a CB, RB, CM light - at least.

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    Delighted to see Dan N'Lundulu on the plane, he is a real prospect and a mighty handful in the box for any CB. Boufal misses out presumably because of AFCON and his delayed holidays. Likely he isn't scheduled to be back until later in July. Also pleased that Cedric Soares is being given another chance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by verlaine1979 View Post
    Honestly, unless Djenepo and Adams suddenly tear up the league, I feel we'd be roughly in the same place we were last season, albeit with perhaps a marginally less squeaky last week or two. It's a team with almost no spine, crying out for more strength at CB and DM.
    Yep, we will need to rely on Villa & The Blades to go straight back down and I think they will.

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    Weird to see Hoedt in there, as he's the one that's been rumoured to have the worst attitude of the loaned out bunch, didn't do himself any favours with the social media activity after Newcastle thrashed us and certainly didn't do himself any favours at Celta Vigo, as we all know he's not very good. Hopefully, it isn't an indicator of us fancying going for the cheap option again in trying to improve him, rather than bringing someone else in either.

    Although, on a similar note it's good to Cedric at least in there, as he still has something to offer in being the backup to Valery. (Just don't let him mark crosses).

    Sad regarding Lemina, as he's an entertainer when on song (as rare as that is) and one of very few in the team who can pull off something special. But, this team shows the decision regarding his future. Definitley need a new CM though, a Schneiderlin/Wanyama type, just not one of those two as their motivations seem to have gone.

    Lastly, bloody hell, Guido Carrillo. What a terrible signing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mcbendy View Post
    AM
    • Stuart Armstrong ? (I want to see him after a RH pre-season...)
    • Sofiane Boufal X
    Agree with most of it but surely this is inconsistent? Boufal also hasn't had a RH pre-season. I don't mind Armstrong but there are certainly some big question marks over him in the same way as there are Boufal (though more a question of ability rather than attitude).

    To claim Boufal (like Lemina) is a player with a poor attitude, or one of a few players that might fetch some much-needed money is a fair assessment, but to write him off as a player who is "clearly not up to it" is clearly just your opinion, as quite a few people on here think that he might (emphasis on 'might') be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by verlaine1979 View Post
    Honestly, unless Djenepo and Adams suddenly tear up the league, I feel we'd be roughly in the same place we were last season, albeit with perhaps a marginally less squeaky last week or two. It's a team with almost no spine, crying out for more strength at CB and DM.
    Yep. The only thing I'd say is that we might have more players suited to Hasenhuttl's preferred style. Hard to see how we're going to transform into a world beating side, but in the same way that some managers fill their sides with cloggers and win via set pieces, perhaps it will make a big difference playing a certain way with a team full of pace (admittedly there is some way to go before this is a team 'full' of pace, ha).

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    Does anyone else think that some of the surprise drop-ees might actually have been left to one side for that Guangzhou Evergrande game, given that its 'Southampton XI' thats playing and not the first team?

    Im thinking of the likes of Slattery, Reed, Lemina, Clasie, Johnson, Austin, Carillo.

    It will probably be an U-23's plus First Team Shop Window squad?

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    Final Nail in the coffin of the previous crop of youngsters who’s development had been mucked about with during previous incumbents reign. Hope the likes of reed/hesketh can get decent permanent moves sorted.

    No clue how the useless hoedt made the cut, hopefully it’s just to get him in the shop window due to his sheer ineptitude leading to no current interest.

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    I quite like the look of that teal training top, so I had a look on the online store.

    £85

    Hilarious

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ivan Katalinic's 'tache View Post
    Interesting to see Wesley Hoedt on the plane. If Ralph can turn Hoedt into the CB we really need, he's more football miracle worker than football manager.
    Even Dumbledor himself couldn’t pull that one off.

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    Would be funny if Moi did alright this season, like it took him a season to settle.

    Highly doubtful, but has happened before.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cabbage_Face View Post
    Would be funny if Moi did alright this season, like it took him a season to settle.

    Highly doubtful, but has happened before.
    I kept my eye on him in the last game he played and I actually thought he looked half decent. I was definitely in the minority with that view though. Odd how we see things so differently sometimes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by suewhistle View Post
    Looking at surprising inclusions Smallbone, N'Lundulu and Klarer are interesting. Has Klarer come on more than Alfie Jones, perhaps? Hoedt is another surprise but presumably because we haven't signed a new CB yet whereas Carillo isn't as we have new forwards.
    I'm not surprised at N'Lundulu. I predicted on the academy thread a few days ago that he could break into the first team. He's strong, big, fast and knows where the goal is.

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    Surprised this thread is so quiet, we need a spy down there chatting to the players and harassing Ralph.

    Alpine it's your time to shine mate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shroppie View Post
    I'm not surprised at N'Lundulu. I predicted on the academy thread a few days ago that he could break into the first team. He's strong, big, fast and knows where the goal is.

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    He was very good for u23s towards the end of the season, just needs to learn when to release the ball, he won't get as much time on the ball in the Premier league

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shroppie View Post
    I'm not surprised at N'Lundulu. I predicted on the academy thread a few days ago that he could break into the first team. He's strong, big, fast and knows where the goal is.

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    He's quite a bit slower than Ings... Watch the day 2 pre-season vid just released. Bednarek and Hoijberg neck and neck. Sims and Redmond both rapid.

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    Bertie only just faster than Hoidt, and Stephens slower than both...

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    Its strange seeing Hoedt being near the team.


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    Will be fascinating to see how Klarer does. I know the Austrian FA think he's one for the future. Would be great if he steps up.

    Unfortunately I am too busy to get anywhere near the team this time. If it was down the road from me like when the team were in Villach for the Schalke / Besitkas games, I would gladly pass on what I see and find out, but Altach is as far west in Austria as you can get, right at the Swiss border and as such 1000Km round trip. I might as well drive back to Soton....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cabbage_Face View Post
    Its strange seeing Hoedt being near the team.


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    I'm all for it if gives it his all tbh- getting paid to do so anyway.

    For someone with a 6ft 4 frame he should bulk up I feel

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    Harrison Reed was not named in the 26 man squad on Monday. But looks like he is there now...


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    It may be reused footage.

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    What about Ramsey and Johnson?

    I thought Johnson looked ok last season...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ally_uk View Post
    What about Ramsey and Johnson?

    I thought Johnson looked ok last season...
    same, I thought Johnson looked like he had something about him. Maybe he’s heading off on loan somewhere?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matthew Le God View Post
    Harrison Reed was not named in the 26 man squad on Monday. But looks like he is there now...

    He was wearing a protective boot the other day, so could be injured.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shroppie View Post
    I'm not surprised at N'Lundulu. I predicted on the academy thread a few days ago that he could break into the first team. He's strong, big, fast and knows where the goal is.

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    Does he also have a goal for an eye, a hammer for a right foot and wand for his left? Sorry, but I hate those cliches which amount to absolutely nothing at all - what professional player doesn't know where the goal is? Blindingly obvious innit? Cue lots of jokes about Shane Long.........

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    Quote Originally Posted by revolution saint View Post
    Does he also have a goal for an eye, a hammer for a right foot and wand for his left? Sorry, but I hate those cliches which amount to absolutely nothing at all - what professional player doesn't know where the goal is? Blindingly obvious innit? Cue lots of jokes about Shane Long.........
    Cue the jokes about a 'Goal for an eye' you mean!

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeG View Post
    Cue the jokes about a 'Goal for an eye' you mean!
    Whoosh!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ErwinK1961 View Post
    He was wearing a protective boot the other day, so could be injured.
    His loan at Blackburn was ended early because of a serious ankle injury.

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    Good clip of GK training on Facebook. Frazer looking sharp!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matthew Le God View Post
    Harrison Reed was not named in the 26 man squad on Monday. But looks like he is there now...

    Quote Originally Posted by Matthew Le God View Post
    It may be reused footage.
    Did you just MLG yourself?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ally_uk View Post
    What about Ramsey and Johnson?

    I thought Johnson looked ok last season...
    Marcus Barnes hasn't even been mentioned, takes up a squad place so guessing he is due to be shipped out as well.

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    Does anyone know why Danny Rohl is not in Austria?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fitzhugh Fella View Post
    Does anyone know why Danny Rohl is not in Austria?
    I'm going to bump this because there are a few rumours floating around that his absence means something is amiss. Could just be player gossip mind and there could be a perfectly good reason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fitzhugh Fella View Post
    I'm going to bump this because there are a few rumours floating around that his absence means something is amiss. Could just be player gossip mind and there could be a perfectly good reason.
    Canít we have one summer without ITK hint hint sh1te if you know something post it if not save it for the pub.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Fitzhugh Fella View Post
    I'm going to bump this because there are a few rumours floating around that his absence means something is amiss. Could just be player gossip mind and there could be a perfectly good reason.
    Ok I’ll bite, what rumours are floating about as I’ve not heard any?

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    Dave Watson has been promoted from goalkeeping coach to assistant first team coach, I read. The question is, why?


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    Perhaps Danny had been offered a better position. Just speculating.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DT View Post
    Dave Watson has been promoted from goalkeeping coach to assistant first team coach, I read. The question is, why?
    https://www.southamptonfc.com/news/2...ssistant-coach

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    Quote Originally Posted by jawillwill View Post
    Did you just MLG yourself?
    No he got MLG'd on Twitter before deleting it and attempting to save face on here. It's old footage from Staplewood which is quite clear from the surroundings tbf.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fabrice29 View Post
    No he got MLG'd on Twitter before deleting it and attempting to save face on here. It's old footage from Staplewood which is quite clear from the surroundings tbf.
    tremendous timeline of events.

    It’s been very quiet on the Reed front, actually.

    Lots of very early summer talk but was always about him wanting to stay & prove himself (which I’m guessing isn’t happening).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fitzhugh Fella View Post
    I'm going to bump this because there are a few rumours floating around that his absence means something is amiss. Could just be player gossip mind and there could be a perfectly good reason.
    This is poor, Duncan.

    Put up or shut up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dusic View Post
    This is poor, Duncan.

    Put up or shut up.
    I know -not quite ericb levels but it does seem to come with the turf.

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    Managing the XI for the friendly in China?

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