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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Duckhunter View Post
    How long do you want this session of Parliament to last, it’s already the longest since the 1650’s.

    It’s now time for remoaners to put their money where their mouths are and vote the Government down. Trailing round the TV studios moaning on won’t do it, it’s in their hands. I doubt enough will though, don’t want to risk losing their seats or handing Boris a larger majority.

    Boris is playing a blinder.


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    Just looks to me like a desperate act for a party that has painted itself into a corner.

    Even if they force through a no deal AND win the next election they still have to make a success of Brexit or they are finished as a party.

    If no deal Brexit is a disaster we will soon have a new government, second vote and be back in the EU.

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    I wonder how long the likes of Rudd and Hancock will be able to stay in this government. There is surely a limit as to how long they can hold their noses and go back on their previous announcements.

    Or are they so keen to climb the greasy pole of government that they will happily give up all their previous principles?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tamesaint View Post
    I wonder how long the likes of Rudd and Hancock will be able to stay in this government. There is surely a limit as to how long they can hold their noses and go back on their previous announcements.

    Or are they so keen to climb the greasy pole of government that they will happily give up all their previous principles?
    Perhaps like lifelong arch Brixiteer Jeremy Corbyn, ambition is more important than principle.

    Or maybe they’re like Sarah Wollaston, who in her short political career has been in 3 parties, as well as being for leave and then for Remain.

    Boris has set a ****ing big elephant trap, and Bercow, Grieve and the rest of the deranged Remainiacs have fallen straight into it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Shroppie View Post
    When there is a critical issue outstanding, it should last as long as it takes to resolve it.

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    They can’t win. Labour was calling for new Queens speech back in the summer, claimed Government was running scared. Now ones being proposed, they’re moaning about that.


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    The only trap he has set is for himself and his Party. This will not end well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aintforever View Post
    If no deal Brexit is a disaster we will soon have a new government, second vote and be back in the EU.
    Now that is where Brexiteers hold the advantage, as we would almost certainly have to join as a new member state, and consequently demonstrate "the ability to take on and implement effectively the obligations of membership, including adherence to the aims of political, economic and monetary union".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Duckhunter View Post
    Perhaps like lifelong arch Brixiteer Jeremy Corbyn, ambition is more important than principle.

    Or maybe they’re like Sarah Wollaston, who in her short political career has been in 3 parties, as well as being for leave and then for Remain.

    Boris has set a ****ing big elephant trap, and Bercow, Grieve and the rest of the deranged Remainiacs have fallen straight into it.


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    Rudd thought that the idea of proroguing Parliament was a "ridiculous" suggestion only a couple of months ago. In June Hancock thought that proroguing Parliament would "disrespect the war dead". They are now apparently going along with this idea .... even though Johnson only consulted 2 cabinet ministers (not them) before making his announcement.

    The ministerial cars and Cabinet perks clearly appeal to them at the moment but I wonder what will happen when people like Rudd and Hancock and other members of the Cabinet wake up and realise that they are just Dominic Cummings's stooges. When the No Deal "bumps in the road" start to derail things I suspect that the Johnson cabinet will start to splinter.... if it ever gets that far.

    At least Ruth Davidson has some principles which she stands by.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tamesaint View Post
    Rudd thought that the idea of proroguing Parliament was a "ridiculous" suggestion only a couple of months ago. In June Hancock thought that proroguing Parliament would "disrespect the war dead". They are now apparently going along with this idea .... even though Johnson only consulted 2 cabinet ministers (not them) before making his announcement.

    The ministerial cars and Cabinet perks clearly appeal to them at the moment but I wonder what will happen when people like Rudd and Hancock and other members of the Cabinet wake up and realise that they are just Dominic Cummings's stooges. When the No Deal "bumps in the road" start to derail things I suspect that the Johnson cabinet will start to splinter.... if it ever gets that far.

    At least Ruth Davidson has some principles which she stands by.
    There is one school of thought that Johnson wants / needs someone to force him to change direction into CU / SM. He tried to bluster with the EU and when that didnt work he provoked the MPs. He doesn't care who as long as he can 'show' he tried and 'its not my fault guv'. That way he has delivered on Brexit and still gets to be PM.

    Pity about Ruth Davidson and many of the sensible Tories who are standing down at the next election. If they are replaced by more headbangers the Tories will be in real trouble long term.
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    Relations between No.10 and the Chancellor already falling apart.

    https://www.ft.com/content/bd453b20-...4-3669401ba76f

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    Quote Originally Posted by badgerx16 View Post
    Now that is where Brexiteers hold the advantage, as we would almost certainly have to join as a new member state, and consequently demonstrate "the ability to take on and implement effectively the obligations of membership, including adherence to the aims of political, economic and monetary union".
    If we go out, to get back in will meet the EU telling us that we have to have the Euro etc etc. We wont have the same terms as we left, we will be weak and have no hand to play.
    Once out we have to get on with it, stop moaning about the rights and wrongs and fight for our future. It will be difficult but the options are limited. The opposition to Mays plan may regret not voting for it perhaps.

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    Well you have to say the last few days Boris has looked every bit the towering statesman, in the Churchillian mould, that Boris imagines himself to be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by doddisalegend View Post
    Well you have to say the last few days Boris has looked ever bit the towering statesman, in the Churchillian mould, that Boris imagines himself to be.

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    Yep. Very statesmanlike. Already showing a magnificent air of authority and leadership, commanding the love and respect of his loyal subjects...

    https://twitter.com/bernardo_flynn/s...07508488900609

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sheaf Saint View Post
    Yep. Very statesmanlike. Already showing a magnificent air of authority and leadership, commanding the love and respect of his loyal subjects...

    https://twitter.com/bernardo_flynn/s...07508488900609
    I'm not sure how that video is a criticism of Boris. That's just some rude man shouting at him and not giving him the chance to say anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hypochondriac View Post
    I'm not sure how that video is a criticism of Boris. That's just some rude man shouting at him and not giving him the chance to say anything.
    Have you ever had clean up your own mother’s p1ss?

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    Quote Originally Posted by whelk View Post
    Have you ever had clean up your own mother’s p1ss?
    Brexit went past that show in terms of surrealism long ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hypochondriac View Post
    I'm not sure how that video is a criticism of Boris. That's just some rude man shouting at him and not giving him the chance to say anything.
    His first proper outing onto the streets since he became PM, and he just looks utterly lost and unable to counter any of the guy's points, or deal with the situation in any kind of competent manner. It's a total embarrassment and shows just how useless he is when he has no script to read from or his usual loveable buffoon act won't work.

    That's the point I was making.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sheaf Saint View Post
    His first proper outing onto the streets since he became PM, and he just looks utterly lost and unable to counter any of the guy's points, or deal with the situation in any kind of competent manner. It's a total embarrassment and shows just how useless he is when he has no script to read from or his usual loveable buffoon act won't work.

    That's the point I was making.
    I like something I saw on twitter: “This must be Boris Johnson's actual personal hell, going around the country listening to ordinary people make excellent points at him in regional accents“.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sheaf Saint View Post
    His first proper outing onto the streets since he became PM, and he just looks utterly lost and unable to counter any of the guy's points, or deal with the situation in any kind of competent manner. It's a total embarrassment and shows just how useless he is when he has no script to read from or his usual loveable buffoon act won't work.

    That's the point I was making.
    He didn't actually get the chance to say anything. Would have been much more effective had the bloke actually let him respond and then countered any points rather than just bellowing at him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hypochondriac View Post
    He didn't actually get the chance to say anything. Would have been much more effective had the bloke actually let him respond and then countered any points rather than just bellowing at him.
    For purposes of objectivity I agree on that clip - its heckling basically and is only one way. Would have been interesting to hear his response.

    He had a lot of stick out and about though, and seemingly not the organised Momentum/Socialist Worker variety either.

    A shock for him away from his lower profile as London Mayor and the sycophantic bubble of the DT minions, Spectator, Bridgen etc, this job is a million times harder than he thought.

    My sense is that he believed Cummings could plot his way through - but is proving an even bigger millstone than Coulson was for Cameron. His best chance is to get rid by the end of the weekend and at least go down fighting with his own ideas.

    Farage is full of hot air - don’t know why the Tory Party take him so seriously. In a prolonged GE campaign, where the issues will go beyond Brexit, Farage will be an absolute liability. Every time time the media get him a millimetre off Brexit - NHS, immigration, education - he has been appalling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by saint1977 View Post
    For purposes of objectivity I agree on that clip - its heckling basically and is only one way. Would have been interesting to hear his response.

    He had a lot of stick out and about though, and seemingly not the organised Momentum/Socialist Worker variety either.

    A shock for him away from his lower profile as London Mayor and the sycophantic bubble of the DT minions, Spectator, Bridgen etc, this job is a million times harder than he thought.

    My sense is that he believed Cummings could plot his way through - but is proving an even bigger millstone than Coulson was for Cameron. His best chance is to get rid by the end of the weekend and at least go down fighting with his own ideas.

    Farage is full of hot air - don’t know why the Tory Party take him so seriously. In a prolonged GE campaign, where the issues will go beyond Brexit, Farage will be an absolute liability. Every time time the media get him a millimetre off Brexit - NHS, immigration, education - he has been appalling.
    It won't matter - this election will be fought purely on Brexit for Farage - and the no-deal morons will lap it up and take votes from the big two.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hypochondriac View Post
    He didn't actually get the chance to say anything. Would have been much more effective had the bloke actually let him respond and then countered any points rather than just bellowing at him.
    I’d have more respect if he took the Prescott approach. He did look lost and bloke was making valid points. He’s a fcking charlatan

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unbelievable Jeff View Post
    It won't matter - this election will be fought purely on Brexit for Farage - and the no-deal morons will lap it up and take votes from the big two.
    Broadly agree - depends on whether the less Brexit-obsessed media can land any hits on Farage. His prior comments on the NHS are an accident waiting to happen if an outlet is persistent, link that back to the £350m lie and leaves Boris in big trouble as well. Cummings was allegedly closely involved in that line of messaging - a lot of people did fall for it including some NHS staff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unbelievable Jeff View Post
    It won't matter - this election will be fought purely on Brexit for Farage - and the no-deal morons will lap it up and take votes from the big two.
    Broadly agree - depends on whether the less Brexit-obsessed media can land any hits on Farage. His prior comments on the NHS are an accident waiting to happen if an outlet is persistent, link that back to the £350m lie and leaves Boris in big trouble as well. Cummings was allegedly closely involved in that line of messaging - a lot of people did fall for it including some NHS staff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hypochondriac View Post
    He didn't actually get the chance to say anything. Would have been much more effective had the bloke actually let him respond and then countered any points rather than just bellowing at him.
    You just have to look at BoJo's body language though. He doesn't have a clue how to deal with such a situation and looks like he is desperately waiting for someone to rescue him. He's hopelessly out of his depth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sheaf Saint View Post
    You just have to look at BoJo's body language though. He doesn't have a clue how to deal with such a situation and looks like he is desperately waiting for someone to rescue him. He's hopelessly out of his depth.
    I can't really remember any previous prime ministers ever looking competent when faced with aggressive members of the public. Look at Gordon brown for example.

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    This was much more devastating in impact:

    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/poli...-a4230271.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by hypochondriac View Post
    I can't really remember any previous prime ministers ever looking competent when faced with aggressive members of the public. Look at Gordon brown for example.
    When you start comparing Johnson to Brown, you are reinforcing my point for me. He was hopelessly out of his depth too.

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    Edit: duplicate post
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    Quote Originally Posted by shurlock View Post
    This was much more devastating in impact:

    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/poli...-a4230271.html
    Corbyn got the same on occasions as well, in fact all politicians face such stuff.

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    He’s doing a great job of draining the swamp.

    Absolutely no point in coming back from a GE with a small majority if 20 of them are bloody lefties. I’d rather have a majority of 3, with a party of like minded people than a majority of 30 that includes Boles, Gauke, Hammond & other like minded pinkos.

    The “rebel alliance” ( lol they must be the only revolutionaries campaigning for the establishment & things staying as they are. Power to the banks & big business, not the people), don’t want an election because they know their days are numbered.




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    Boris v The Elite.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Duckhunter View Post
    He’s doing a great job of draining the swamp.

    Absolutely no point in coming back from a GE with a small majority if 20 of them are bloody lefties. I’d rather have a majority of 3, with a party of like minded people than a majority of 30 that includes Boles, Gauke, Hammond & other like minded pinkos.

    The “rebel alliance” ( lol they must be the only revolutionaries campaigning for the establishment & things staying as they are. Power to the banks & big business, not the people), don’t want an election because they know their days are numbered.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Sheaf Saint View Post
    You just have to look at BoJo's body language though. He doesn't have a clue how to deal with such a situation and looks like he is desperately waiting for someone to rescue him..
    Well, he has got a rescue dog.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Duckhunter View Post
    He’s doing a great job of draining the swamp.
    Preparing his ditch ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Duckhunter View Post
    He’s doing a great job of draining the swamp.

    Absolutely no point in coming back from a GE with a small majority if 20 of them are bloody lefties. I’d rather have a majority of 3, with a party of like minded people than a majority of 30 that includes Boles, Gauke, Hammond & other like minded pinkos.

    The “rebel alliance” ( lol they must be the only revolutionaries campaigning for the establishment & things staying as they are. Power to the banks & big business, not the people), don’t want an election because they know their days are numbered.




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    The establishment

    Did you go to private school too pal?

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    Quote Originally Posted by shurlock View Post
    The establishment

    Did you go to private school too pal?
    Would bet my mortgage he went to an all boys school.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rallyboy View Post
    Boris v The Elite.
    Exactly

    What makes me laugh is you and the pound shop Wolfie Smith’s thinking they’re radical or progressive. They’re campaigning for the neo liberal consensus that’s ruled us for 30 years. Campaigning with the Lords, the judiciary, the civil service, the imf, big business, the banks, the HoC.

    “What do we want?

    The status quo “.

    I couldn’t give a shiny what school he went to, who his grandfather was. He’s draining the Tory swamp and will reap the rewards.





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    And Amber Rudd resigns. All in Cummings plan.
    He’s a genius

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    This is possibly now the most catastrophic seven days of both Johnson's and Cummings' working lives - David Warner has had a better week than them, Joe Root has more reason to be optimistic about tomorrow.
    At least the pair of political masterminds still have a supporter on here, though I still suspect it's a bot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tamesaint View Post
    Rudd thought that the idea of proroguing Parliament was a "ridiculous" suggestion only a couple of months ago. In June Hancock thought that proroguing Parliament would "disrespect the war dead". They are now apparently going along with this idea .... even though Johnson only consulted 2 cabinet ministers (not them) before making his announcement.

    The ministerial cars and Cabinet perks clearly appeal to them at the moment but I wonder what will happen when people like Rudd and Hancock and other members of the Cabinet wake up and realise that they are just Dominic Cummings's stooges. When the No Deal "bumps in the road" start to derail things I suspect that the Johnson cabinet will start to splinter.... if it ever gets that far.

    At least Ruth Davidson has some principles which she stands by.
    Clearly Rudd has woken up and developed a backbone. Good for her



    This government is such a mess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tamesaint View Post
    Clearly Rudd has woken up and developed a backbone. Good for her.
    I think she’s left it a couple of days too late for that. Smacks more of switching sides again now it looks like Johnson is heading for the rocks

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    I think she’s left it a couple of days too late for that. Smacks more of switching sides again now it looks like Johnson is heading for the rocks
    Timing is perfect and like the way Johnson had no wind of it. And hit him hard saying he is doing fck all to get a deal

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    Her resignation will have been priced in, so don’t think it changes the big picture. Now if Gove and Javid honoured some of the things they said during the leadership contest, that would be the death knell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by whelk View Post
    Timing is perfect and like the way Johnson had no wind of it. And hit him hard saying he is doing fck all to get a deal
    And yet:

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    Quote Originally Posted by hypochondriac View Post
    And yet:
    Half of all leave voters? So about 15% of total eligible voters.

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    As millions of people voted for Trump, so we have lots people here who are stupid enough to vote for Johnson. Never under estimate the lack of moral backbone from people of that persuasion. Lying, ineptitude, incompetence all count for nothing so long as you tell people what they want to hear. Trump and Johnson stars have aligned and two once mighty nations are now an embarrassment. That dyed in the wool Tories are bailing on Johnson tells you all you need to know about this current administration. He has one thing going for him, leaving the EU come hell or high water, on 31st October. Apparently that is all it takes for shed loads of people to support you. The further right you go, the easier it is to get people to swallow your bull****.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sadoldgit View Post
    As millions of people voted for Trump, so we have lots people here who are stupid enough to vote for Johnson. Never under estimate the lack of moral backbone from people of that persuasion. Lying, ineptitude, incompetence all count for nothing so long as you tell people what they want to hear. Trump and Johnson stars have aligned and two once mighty nations are now an embarrassment. That dyed in the wool Tories are bailing on Johnson tells you all you need to know about this current administration. He has one thing going for him, leaving the EU come hell or high water, on 31st October. Apparently that is all it takes for shed loads of people to support you. The further right you go, the easier it is to get people to swallow your bull****.
    I think you are correct. Johnson and Cummings know how to win elections and people seem to vote for lying incompents. I just hope that the GE does not happen for a good few weeks so that when it does happen more people will see the lying buffer for what he is.

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    It's just really frustrating when people don't see the world the same way I do and refuse to vote the correct way. There's so many thick idiots in the UK who can just be tricked into voting for anyone. Its happened a few times over the last few years and I'm not sure what the solution is. Maybe we need to keep referring to them as thick idiots who keep being tricked and have no idea what they want and then they'll definitely start to come around and vote the way they are supposed to (or better yet just stop voting all together.)

    It's all just a bunch of thick, stupid imbeciles with no morals and hate in their hearts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hypochondriac View Post
    It's just really frustrating when people don't see the world the same way I do and refuse to vote the correct way. There's so many thick idiots in the UK who can just be tricked into voting for anyone. Its happened a few times over the last few years and I'm not sure what the solution is. Maybe we need to keep referring to them as thick idiots who keep being tricked and have no idea what they want and then they'll definitely start to come around and vote the way they are supposed to (or better yet just stop voting all together.)

    It's all just a bunch of thick, stupid imbeciles with no morals and hate in their hearts.
    R u alright hun?

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