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    Always the same after a poor result followed by a big club game. We'll get stuffed etc. But there's more often a reaction.

    I imagine we'll play a lot better and lose 0-2 or something. Don't think we're near ready to be winning a game like this, I'd settle for scoring a goal as 2 games with no points or goals adds some pressure.

    Still, we played well in this fixture when Liverpool were in even better form, so who knows.

    Can't see us playing 3 up front again. Hopefully just go Redmond and Adams in a 352, add in Hojbjerg with JWP and Romeu. And don't let Stephens in the ground.

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    Wouldn't be surprised if Long gets a chance this week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saint Garrett View Post
    Wouldn't be surprised if Long gets a chance this week.
    I’d play him ahead of Ings I think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saint Garrett View Post
    Wouldn't be surprised if Long gets a chance this week.
    I’d play him ahead of Ings I think.

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    Ings hasn't been great but he's still better than Long.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lighthouse View Post
    Ings hasn't been great but he's still better than Long.
    Better perhaps, but we need pace against Liverpool so Long is much better suited than Ings imo.

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    I thought playing 2 up top and getting rid of Eric black was the answer to all our problems

    This is the classic game is to get an early goal contentiously disallowed due to VAR, then Danso to start, look great then get sent off for a late tackle on Salah which is highly debatable where he goes down very easy and us end up losing 2-0 with the pundits purring about how clinical Liverpool are despite playing 120 minutes
    Midweek. Usual annoying loss to Liverpool.

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    No excuse to not start Yoshi and PEH. Bottom line really.

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    A few ex-Saints likely on show tomorrow, obviously VVD and Mane, but Lallana tipped to start, Ox and even Lovren may get a look in if Klippity decides to rest some of his weary soldiers. Don't concede early* and look to take advantage as the game grinds on. (*this bit could be the spanner)

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    Quote Originally Posted by alehouseboys View Post
    A few ex-Saints likely on show tomorrow, obviously VVD and Mane, but Lallana tipped to start, Ox and even Lovren may get a look in if Klippity decides to rest some of his weary soldiers. Don't concede early* and look to take advantage as the game grinds on. (*this bit could be the spanner)
    Let's hope so(lallana & Lovren), would help create a very hostile environment.

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    A lot of suggestions of Long, given the switch last week I'd say Obafemi is ahead of him in the pecking order at the moment. I would still start Ings personally as I think he does some excellent through balls, which the high Liverpool defence may struggle with, especially with tired legs. My suggested line up is


    Gunn

    Valery Yoshida/Danso bednarek bertrand

    Romeu hojberg jwp

    Adams. Ings. Redmond


    Drop the 3 atb as it invites pressure and bring in 3 battling midfielders in jwp Hoj and romeu and try to control the center of the park instead


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    I'd rather Long than Obafemi, much more of a nuisance and can physically compete with Van Dijk who'd think twice before going into a challenge with him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JRM View Post
    I'd rather Long than Obafemi, much more of a nuisance and can physically compete with Van Dijk who'd think twice before going into a challenge with him.
    What? Long is about 5'10" and throws himself to the floor is a defender sneezes a bit too loud.

    I have no idea where this 'Long is a nuisance' myth comes from. He just runs around, that isn't scary for a competent PL defender. Long played in the 6-1 defeat at City and the defeat at Anfield, when they were 3-0 up at half time, in second gear.

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    Adrian a doubt for tomorrow now.

    Andy Lonergan could be in goal.

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    I bet its just a ploy for Liverpool to be allowed an emergency loan (is that still a thing?).

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    Lonergan should be hopeless in the Premier League. There couldn't be a better chance to beat this Liverpool side, it's all been set up for us.

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    Mind games from Klopp - to make Saints "favoutites" in the media due to this and take some preassure of his players. Adrian will be in goal tomorrow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Appy View Post
    Adrian a doubt for tomorrow now.

    Andy Lonergan could be in goal.
    "Klopp says Adrian a doubt for Southampton with swollen ankle after being injured by a fan who ran on the pitch during Super Cup final celebrations" would be funny if he was out because of a fan!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by HarvSFC View Post
    Lonergan should be hopeless in the Premier League. There couldn't be a better chance to beat this Liverpool side, it's all been set up for us.
    Whoever is in goal will have nowt to do anyway, they should still comfortably beat us. They have played two games this season, they’re hardly going to be tired.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lighthouse View Post
    What? Long is about 5'10" and throws himself to the floor is a defender sneezes a bit too loud.

    I have no idea where this 'Long is a nuisance' myth comes from. He just runs around, that isn't scary for a competent PL defender. Long played in the 6-1 defeat at City and the defeat at Anfield, when they were 3-0 up at half time, in second gear.
    Long loves a physical battle and goes down after drawing a challenge, his finishing lets him know but in terms of running and putting pressure/ making a challenge he’s good at that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by St.Patrik View Post
    Mind games from Klopp - to make Saints "favoutites" in the media due to this and take some preassure of his players. Adrian will be in goal tomorrow.
    Doubtful that Klopp needs to play mind games when facing us. More likely wondering whether he should play his U23s and give the first team a rest.

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    So.....

    3rd choice GK for Liverpool
    Liverpool played 120 mins in heat late Wednesday night
    Long travel times
    We are at home
    We need to bounce back from Saturdays ****e show
    Liverpool 1 day to prepare

    Could we? Could we just do this?

    Won't have a better chance.

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    Keita ruled out of tomorrow’s game also according to Liverpool twitter.
    Not shaw that is positive news or not.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Heisenberg View Post
    So.....

    3rd choice GK for Liverpool
    Liverpool played 120 mins in heat late Wednesday night
    Long travel times
    We are at home
    We need to bounce back from Saturdays ****e show
    Liverpool 1 day to prepare

    Could we? Could we just do this?

    Won't have a better chance.
    All the times Liverpool have played a mid week game and had little prep, they have played 13, lost 2.

    We can do this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JRM View Post
    Long loves a physical battle and goes down after drawing a challenge, his finishing lets him know but in terms of running and putting pressure/ making a challenge he’s good at that.
    No he isn't. Thats a myth from how he used to perform about 6/7 years ago.

    He fouls a lot and is always offside, therefore breaking up our attacks and giving the ball back to the opposition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by saint lard View Post
    Keita ruled out of tomorrow’s game also according to Liverpool twitter.
    Not shaw that is positive news or not.


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    Quote Originally Posted by The Kraken View Post
    Can’t do any worse than Norwich. Maybe.
    Well we can but we may not.
    Might score though, their central defence looks a bit ropey at times as of yet. Don't really rate Gomez myself, Matip makes howlers from time to time as well. VvD can't clean up after them all of the time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Window Cleaner View Post
    Well we can but we may not.
    Might score though, their central defence looks a bit ropey at times as of yet. Don't really rate Gomez myself, Matip makes howlers from time to time as well. VvD can't clean up after them all of the time.
    Maybe we should instruct Long to 'do a Vardy' on him.

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    Lonnie Donerghan in goal .... shoot on sight?

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    It's certainly as good an opportunity as any we'll get, but the reality is they probably only need to play well for 25 mins of the game to wrap it up.

    We have to play like we did at St Mary's last season, run them into the ground and try and get ahead and hope they don't have the legs to break us down. I just can't see it though, their defence will be so hard to break down, and their big hitters will come on at some point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baird of the land View Post
    Let's hope so(lallana & Lovren), would help create a very hostile environment.
    would help create a very pantomime environment

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    Quote Originally Posted by Golac's Iron Gonads View Post
    would help create a very pantomime environment
    oh no it wouldn't

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    Maybe we should put Forster in goal tomorrow just to even things out eh?

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    Watched the Super cup and paid special attention to the liverpool defence ....they DO have a weakness which i am sure Ralph picked up on .,

    They play a high line and at times are static , time and again Pedro and Jorginho played diagonal and straight balls thru them to Mane or Salah running behind them

    Can be done

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    Quote Originally Posted by charliemiller View Post
    Watched the Super cup and paid special attention to the liverpool defence ....they DO have a weakness which i am sure Ralph picked up on .,

    They play a high line and at times are static , time and again Pedro and Jorginho played diagonal and straight balls thru them to Mane or Salah running behind them

    Can be done
    Blimey, even their own players had a go

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    Quote Originally Posted by charliemiller View Post
    Watched the Super cup and paid special attention to the liverpool defence ....they DO have a weakness which i am sure Ralph picked up on .,

    They play a high line and at times are static , time and again Pedro and Jorginho played diagonal and straight balls thru them to Mane or Salah running behind them

    Can be done
    Eh?

    I presume you mean Chelsea players.

    I get your point though, Norwich actually caused them some problems last Saturday, they were just woeful defensively basically gifting Liverpool 3 of the goals and putting themselves out of the game. On the balance of play the game was a lot closer than the final score. With a potentially 3rd choice keeper in (who has played 25 games in the last 5 years, mainly at championship/league one level), whoever partners Van Dijk looking a bit dodgy, TAA still having defensive issues and possibly some tired legs, there is certainly a chance of some goals.

    Trouble is we have a habit of defensive errors against everyone, let alone good players.

    I think we will create chances and maybe if we are clinical score 2, but I am struggling to see us not concede more than 2 at the same time, I think we'll score to look like we might be getting a draw and then concede a silly goal after about 70 minutes to give them the lead and concede a late 4th whilst we are chasing the game.

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    In standard Saints antics, Andy Lonergan starts the game and then gets man of the match..

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    So ment Giroud and especially the player playing on right side of chelsea attack against trent arnold he got in about five times behind them

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    Pulisic?

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    I think Hazard could cause us a few problems tomorrow.

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    Is this the outfield 10?



    ----------------Gunn
    Valery Bednarek Danso Vestergaard Bertrand
    -----------JWP Romeu Hojbjerg
    -----------Redmond Adams
    Last edited by DuncanRG; 16-08-2019 at 07:56 PM.

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    Nice spot - interesting I want Danso to be given a start and I think that midfield looks on the defensive side but that is probably fair.

    Reckon we are going for the Leicester premier league approach to this game, low possession and break.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lighthouse View Post
    What? Long is about 5'10" and throws himself to the floor is a defender sneezes a bit too loud.

    I have no idea where this 'Long is a nuisance' myth comes from. He just runs around, that isn't scary for a competent PL defender. Long played in the 6-1 defeat at City and the defeat at Anfield, when they were 3-0 up at half time, in second gear.
    Long doesn't throw himself to the ground!! He gets hammered because he puts himself about and jumps very high (as the defender clatters him from behind) He's an expert at drawing fouls. Ask a defender what he's like to play against next time you speak to one

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    Quote Originally Posted by DuncanRG View Post
    Is this the outfield 10?



    ----------------Gunn
    Valery Bednarek Danso Vestegaard Bertrand
    -----------JWP Romeu Hojbjerg
    -----------Redmond Adams
    We need Yoshida's pace. Playing Vestergaard v Liverpool's pacy attack would be suicidal as Mane, Salah et al would run straight past him and score.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nordic Saint View Post
    We need Yoshida's pace. Playing Vestergaard v Liverpool's pacy attack would be suicidal as Mane, Salah et al would run straight past him and score.
    Danso’s supposedly very quick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeG View Post
    Long doesn't throw himself to the ground!! He gets hammered because he puts himself about and jumps very high (as the defender clatters him from behind) He's an expert at drawing fouls. Ask a defender what he's like to play against next time you speak to one
    Interesting word there. The last game he played 90 minutes of was away to West Ham last year. Yet another Saints performance where we really didn't trouble them all game and despite Long 'defending from the front' they managed to comfortably score three goals and keep a clean sheet.

    Football has moved on from the days when Big Sam telling you to 'put a shift in and let him know you're there' might have earned a result. 'keepers are doing Cruyff turns these days, everyone wants to play it out from the back. Long just runs around like a terrier whilst defenders and 'keepers play triangles around him.

    I don't know if you were at the Cardiff home game but he got nothing from that ref. and rightly so. When Sol Bamba has you in his pocket, you're in the wrong league.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lighthouse View Post
    Interesting word there. The last game he played 90 minutes of was away to West Ham last year. Yet another Saints performance where we really didn't trouble them all game and despite Long 'defending from the front' they managed to comfortably score three goals and keep a clean sheet.

    Football has moved on from the days when Big Sam telling you to 'put a shift in and let him know you're there' might have earned a result. 'keepers are doing Cruyff turns these days, everyone wants to play it out from the back. Long just runs around like a terrier whilst defenders and 'keepers play triangles around him.

    I don't know if you were at the Cardiff home game but he got nothing from that ref. and rightly so. When Sol Bamba has you in his pocket, you're in the wrong league.
    But in one sense that’s exactly what we do (when you boil away the hipster bluff): we press and close sides down -in Hoj’s words “we want to be disgusting to play against”. Of course, you can defend from the front intelligently (i.e hunting in packs and setting traps or whatever the lingo is) or wastefully (as individuals at the wrong times). But Ralph’s sides do have room for a player with Long’s attributes. Indeed Ralph mentioned at the forum that defending better from the front was an important part in resolving our defensive frailties.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shurlock View Post
    But in one sense that’s exactly what we do (when you boil away the hipster bluff): we press and close sides down -in Hoj’s words “we want to be disgusting to play against”. So Ralph’s sides do have room for a player with Long’s attributes. Of course, you can defend from the front intelligently (hunt in packs and set up traps) or wastefully (as individuals). Indeed Ralph mentioned at the forum that defending from the front was key to resolving our defensive frailties.
    More concerning with Long is the fact that the image of him running tirelessly and always putting in 100% is also a memory of several seasons ago. He's now just as likely to be standing around with his hands on his hips lamenting as he is dashing uselessly between capable defenders.

    Not saying he doesn't still show up and work hard from time to time, but the idea that you can expect maximum effort from him every game is just fantasy at this point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shurlock View Post
    But in one sense that’s exactly what we do (when you boil away the hipster bluff): we press and close sides down -in Hoj’s words “we want to be disgusting to play against”. So Ralph’s sides do have room for a player with Long’s attributes. Of course, you can defend from the front intelligently (hunt in packs and set up traps) or wastefully (as individuals). Indeed Ralph mentioned at the forum that defending from the front was key to resolving our defensive frailties.
    I think any player should be able to play the basics of Ralph’s system. Having the fitness to be able to press as part of a team is a bare minimum IMO. You don’t even need pace to do it really, just good stamina and communication. 10 Hojbjergs and a ‘keeper could play the system, we need attackers with the ability to do something with the ball when we get it.

    I honestly think Long takes pressure off if anything. He gives possession away so cheaply, either through poor control or being offside.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lighthouse View Post
    I think any player should be able to play the basics of Ralph’s system. Having the fitness to be able to press as part of a team is a bare minimum IMO. You don’t even need pace to do it really, just good stamina and communication. 10 Hojbjergs and a ‘keeper could play the system, we need attackers with the ability to do something with the ball when we get it.

    I honestly think Long takes pressure off if anything. He gives possession away so cheaply, either through poor control or being offside.
    I thought he was our most dangerous player last season against Liverpool (first half and independent of the goal). He’s decent in the air and good at getting us up the pitch. But I think Adams was brought in to do a similar job and obviously is an upgrade.

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