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    On the plus side, we are a much more attractive side to sign to for compared with 6 weeks ago.

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    Did we ever hire the 'recruitment expert' that was often mentioned?

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    It could be that Bertrand's fate has been decided and this bloke is being brought in to compete with Vokins for a starting spot next season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperSAINT View Post
    Did we ever hire the 'recruitment expert' that was often mentioned?
    No because he isnít available as per fans forum Martin Glover doing January recruitment


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    Quote Originally Posted by Give it to Ron View Post
    No because he isn’t available as per fans forum Martin Glover doing January recruitment
    Wasn't that referring to Matt Crocker? (Recruitment guy was supposedly a separate appointment)

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperSAINT View Post
    Wasn't that referring to Matt Crocker? (Recruitment guy was supposedly a separate appointment)
    No Crocker is replacing Les new guy Wilson I think


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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperSAINT View Post
    Did we ever hire the 'recruitment expert' that was often mentioned?
    New guy is with a club until summertime

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    Quote Originally Posted by saints1988 View Post
    Mitchell Bakker - left back at PSG
    Is this intended as a loan ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by whiteleySaint30 View Post
    The trouble is - we will get to the summer and still do nothing...... our fans bore me, how many times are we prepared to make excuses for our owner - it taken over a year to ge mahele done - people said last Jan ot would get down on the summer, now Jan and it goes on.....
    Ahhh good. The adults are speaking. Totally agree. Some people have such low expectations, you question their agenda or mindset as itís rare for fans at ground level (ie: the pub, social circles, the stadium) to have such a patient or pro club stance looking at recent history. Maybe they just simply have low aspirations and no ambition and there is nothing wrong with that.

    As a club, we constantly move the goal posts. Or the rumour mill does because we canít ever blame the club as they rarely ever speak. So, the clue is to never utter a word and you canít be blamed for anything. Politicians take note.

    DT - I find it strange also how rumours came into the press from some source about 30 - 35 million. War chest was an inappropriate superlative used. Maybe total fabrication press tripe, paper selling conjecture. Now we have 1 player, possibly. Itís ever changing. You canít pin the club to anything as they never attribute words or interviews to anything, not directly anymore. We can plenty of conflicting, third hand rumour. Hence the Vladislav Surkov analogy.

    Boring I know. Please just sign a full back. Contrary to some of the less considered comments, we desperately need cover & it should be equal to or an upgrade from Bertrand. Even Ralph himself acknowledges this. RB position is weak too as is CB but January is not ideal to address all 3. Maehle sounds a much better bet than this utility full back from Bordeaux but iím hoping this is a smokescreen. When clubs offer out a player, it makes me immediately apprehensive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperSAINT View Post
    Did we ever hire the 'recruitment expert' that was often mentioned?
    I think the board will likely appoint him in February. That seems their mentality

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gordon Mockles View Post
    I think the board will likely appoint him in February. That seems their mentality
    Watch the fans night YouTube thingy. Wonít happen til the summer as the clubs target(s) are currently with other clubs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toadhall Saint View Post
    Watch the fans night YouTube thingy. Won’t happen til the summer as the clubs target(s) are currently with other clubs.
    Do you have a link? Assume you mean the playing trading/recruitment head akin to the Ross Wilson role. Hoping the defenders will be brought in as I don’t think the fans have much patience left for these ever diminishing carrots the PR groups like to dangle and decrease in stature

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gordon Mockles View Post
    Do you have a link? Assume you mean the playing trading/recruitment head akin to the Ross Wilson role. Hoping the defenders will be brought in as I donít think the fans have much patience left for these ever diminishing carrots the PR groups like to dangle and decrease in stature
    Thereís a thread on here with a link

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gordon Mockles View Post
    Do you have a link
    Go on YouTube and type in 'Southampton FC fan forum' into the search bar

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    From that link on Bakker:


    ďMitchel Bakker is quick, both in terms of physical pace and in-match intelligence. Combine this with his good passing technique and you get a very competent left-back in a high-pressing, ball-playing-focused defensive line.Ē

    Clear concerns around a lack of experience, but in terms of a player profile that sounds spot on. Interesting either way! Wonder whether itís a loan/ perm / loan with perm option.

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    Still seems odd though, if it's a loan with no option to buy then we are getting cover at left back that has no top flight experience at all, to help develop a player for PSG.

    If he's moving for more chance at first team football and there is a deal to buy/loan with option to buy etc. , then he must know he is moving as back up and we must not have much hope in Vokins if we are getting someone pretty much the same age, and we are still getting a back up with no experience.

    You also have to wonder at the mentality of a player who gave up probably one of the best routes from academy to first team football in the world at Ajax to move to money bags PSG where he would have far less chance of first team football as they buy ready made defenders.

    He's not even played for Holland U19s, U20s or U21s either and second division football in Holland is probably League 2 level at best.

    Doesn't fill me with much hope, the most positive thing I can say about him is he's big for a full back, 6' 2".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matthew Le God View Post
    Go on YouTube and type in 'Southampton FC fan forum' into the search bar
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    Quote Originally Posted by LeBenali View Post
    From that link on Bakker:


    “Mitchel Bakker is quick, both in terms of physical pace and in-match intelligence. Combine this with his good passing technique and you get a very competent left-back in a high-pressing, ball-playing-focused defensive line.”

    Clear concerns around a lack of experience, but in terms of a player profile that sounds spot on. Interesting either way! Wonder whether it’s a loan/ perm / loan with perm option.
    Google has said this is a loan!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by tajjuk View Post
    Still seems odd though, if it's a loan with no option to buy then we are getting cover at left back that has no top flight experience at all, to help develop a player for PSG.
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    It's really not that odd being that people suggest and recommend we do exactly the same thing with our own young players all the time for years and years and years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dazza82 View Post
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    If he does what I said he'll get the video

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    Quote Originally Posted by CB Fry View Post
    It's really not that odd being that people suggest and recommend we do exactly the same thing with our own young players all the time for years and years and years.
    That isn't relevant

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    Quote Originally Posted by CB Fry View Post
    It's really not that odd being that people suggest and recommend we do exactly the same thing with our own young players all the time for years and years and years.
    The difference being that we send our young players to a team where they will be first choice to get experience. If we were to send Josh Sims to Leeds or something so he could warm their bench instead of ours for 6 months with little chance of meaningful minutes we'd be equally confused. This guy won't play above Bertrand likely in the next 6 months so what's the point?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TWar View Post
    The difference being that we send our young players to a team where they will be first choice to get experience. If we were to send Josh Sims to Leeds or something so he could warm their bench instead of ours for 6 months with little chance of meaningful minutes we'd be equally confused. This guy won't play above Bertrand likely in the next 6 months so what's the point?
    What if Bertrand gets injured or suspended Vokins looks very small with Cedric our defence will look u12s


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    Quote Originally Posted by TWar View Post
    The difference being that we send our young players to a team where they will be first choice to get experience. If we were to send Josh Sims to Leeds or something so he could warm their bench instead of ours for 6 months with little chance of meaningful minutes we'd be equally confused. This guy won't play above Bertrand likely in the next 6 months so what's the point?
    That presumes Bertrand stays fit for the rest of the season. What are the odds on that?

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    I'm not saying that we shouldn't get someone in, I'm just saying what's the point in loaning an inexperienced teenager for cover? We don't get any of the rewards for developing him and from PSG's perspective there is every chance he won't get developed as Bertrand will probably play most games, its a lose lose situation. It would make more sense for us to loan a reliable if uninspiring journeyman as cover and for PSG to send their teenager where he is guaranteed to get regular first team football.

    From this I'd say its more likely we will get an option/obligation to buy or it will just be a permanent deal.

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    Right back and left back would be nice. Surprised Ralph didn't want to have proper look at Harrison Reed this season, could be a useful squad player and suit his system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matthew Le God View Post
    Go on YouTube and type in 'Southampton FC fan forum' into the search bar
    Thank you. I’ll check it out when I have a free moment this eve.

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    From what I can tell just after PSG signed him they disbanded their reserve/U23 team, so Bakker had to play U19 football which was probably a level beneath him, so he needs games and has lost his NL Youth spot due to not playing.

    A loan only makes sense if either:

    A.) Its a cheap cover for Bertrand, who will play every game if fit between now and the end of the season and Bakker can get some U23 games whilst PSG figure out what to do with him.

    B.) it has a purchase option for the summer and gives us a chance to look at him in the U23s between now and then. Either the club see him as potentially better than Vokins as a second choice, or a potential Bertrand replacement when RB leaves.

    A lot depends on Bertrand's future this summer as to whether we need a backup challenger or a first choice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TWar View Post
    I'm not saying that we shouldn't get someone in, I'm just saying what's the point in loaning an inexperienced teenager for cover? We don't get any of the rewards for developing him and from PSG's perspective there is every chance he won't get developed as Bertrand will probably play most games, its a lose lose situation. It would make more sense for us to loan a reliable if uninspiring journeyman as cover and for PSG to send their teenager where he is guaranteed to get regular first team football.

    From this I'd say its more likely we will get an option/obligation to buy or it will just be a permanent deal.
    Bertrand isn't getting any younger, plus he's wanted to leave for at least two years. This guy sounds the sort of player that that fits the mould of what we Ralph wants, we get to look at him, make sure he's good enough, fits the dynamic of the dressing room and if he's not we don't have to sign them, Hard to see what's not to like about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Turkish View Post
    Bertrand has wanted to leave for at least two years
    How do you know that?

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    Are there any actual links to Bakker? Apols if missed but I canít find any.

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    a loan with a view to purchase, so long as we tie it down better than we did for Toby, seems the ideal scenario for most signings to me. Just like any normal job, a trial period gives the employer a chance to see what the player is all about at close quarters and get rid if the player doesn't cut the mustard. With our recent record in the transfer market, perhaps that ought to be our policy of choice...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toadhall Saint View Post
    Are there any actual links to Bakker? Apols if missed but I canít find any.
    Post #892 above ?


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    Whatever loan left back we get is coming in short term at least not to play much unless there's an injury to our first choice.
    Kind of a hard brief. What's motivating the parent club (are we offering them the view to permanent or just waiting for them to get desperate to have the player out on loan) , so probably be quite late in the window before it gets sorted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TWar View Post
    I'm not saying that we shouldn't get someone in, I'm just saying what's the point in loaning an inexperienced teenager for cover? We don't get any of the rewards for developing him and from PSG's perspective there is every chance he won't get developed as Bertrand will probably play most games, its a lose lose situation. It would make more sense for us to loan a reliable if uninspiring journeyman as cover and for PSG to send their teenager where he is guaranteed to get regular first team football.

    From this I'd say its more likely we will get an option/obligation to buy or it will just be a permanent deal.
    The first part of your message makes sense but the second half not so. We need to be bringing in more established players so the club/team can actually benefit plus the academy/emerging players can learn from the best but not journeymen. Sign capable players who will hit the ground running, so to speak. We did that with our last manager (Hughes) and look where that left us. We have had enough disinterested people happy to pick up a pay cheque. We need leaders. Our entire ethos as a feeder club is flawed and uninspiring. Other fans criticise this aspect of our strategy and you can’t disagree. Our ethos about developing youth has logic but what’s the point if we don’t benefit from their best years, or at least some of them. In the past, a player hit form, they were sold.

    Look at the results of our behaviour as a club. Upper table, European contenders. Sold off all the talent. Back to the unambitious days of old. Relegation fodder whilst Liverpool look set to win the league for the first time in circa 30 years, partly down to the hard work of our previous and much more robust and competent scouting network. It would be nice to see SFC & the fans to enjoy the fruit of our labours. We briefly did enjoy relative success despite what Gary Neville once said (we aren’t a top tier, top 6 club although his short, biased memory didn’t register we finished 6th, 8th & 10th when our club was actually managed).

    We (or Gao) need to decide what they actually want from the club. Just to make do as we always did before Markus arrived, zero ambition, uninspiring, incompetent, deceitful, divisive and self serving ownership (Askham, Lowe * spit*) or actually a club that competed and made the city proud. Of all the owners, the Liebherrs were the most successful and profitable. You get out what you put in, sometimes. You certainly won’t benefit from abject neglect.

    Sign some defenders. Wasn't Maehle a Ralph target? I have more confidence in these type of signings but don’t understand why we appear to be sitting on our hands. I appreciate transfers are complex but come on, sort it out Saints.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Give it to Ron View Post
    Post #892 above ?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Toadhall Saint View Post
    Cheers Ron but thatís to Sabley (which I think is more likely)
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    Quote Originally Posted by miserableoldgit View Post
    982

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    Quote Originally Posted by miserableoldgit View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matthew Le God View Post
    How do you know that?
    Because I have a personality which means I speak to people and know people rather than playing with computer games and spreadsheets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Turkish View Post
    Because I have a personality which means I speak to people and know people rather than playing with computer games and spreadsheets.
    Your personality involved petty personal insults when asked a reasonable question... you may need to work on that!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chez View Post
    a loan with a view to purchase, so long as we tie it down better than we did for Toby, seems the ideal scenario for most signings to me. Just like any normal job, a trial period gives the employer a chance to see what the player is all about at close quarters and get rid if the player doesn't cut the mustard. With our recent record in the transfer market, perhaps that ought to be our policy of choice...
    Ideally it sounds sensible but this option hasn’t been well used by our current board whom are naive at best. Not helped none of them know football. Under that proviso, Danso should be returned since they won’t play him or play him in position?! He doesn’t figure but didn’t we pay an extortionate loan fee of 3.5 million for him? We never intended to sign Ings as we had. We made a mistake and played him as a sub which knocked us over the limit and activated the obligation to buy. So our biggest success from this season, Ings, stems from an alleged mistake by the club in how we manage & operate our loans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matthew Le God View Post
    Your personality involved petty personal insults when asked a reasonable question... you may need to work on that!
    Its true though. Get out from behind your computer games, talk to people and you might find some information out too. The reason I know what I know is not because I declined a transfer request from him on FM2018 version.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gordon Mockles View Post
    Ideally it sounds sensible but this option hasn’t been well used by our current board whom are naive at best. Not helped none of them know football. Under that proviso, Danso should be returned since they won’t play him or play him in position?! He doesn’t figure but didn’t we pay an extortionate loan fee of 3.5 million for him? We never intended to sign Ings as we had. We made a mistake and played him as a sub which knocked us over the limit and activated the obligation to buy. So our biggest success from this season, Ings, stems from an alleged mistake by the club in how we manage & operate our loans.
    Not read that before, I read it as an obligation to buy at the end of the season, without caveats (other than if we'd been relegated and the player declined the move).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Turkish View Post
    Bertrand isn't getting any younger, plus he's wanted to leave for at least two years. This guy sounds the sort of player that that fits the mould of what we Ralph wants, we get to look at him, make sure he's good enough, fits the dynamic of the dressing room and if he's not we don't have to sign them, Hard to see what's not to like about it.
    No Bertrand has not been wanting to leave for a couple of years. Total bull**** on that one.
    Would we sell Targett if he wanted out?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Badger View Post
    Not read that before, I read it as an obligation to buy at the end of the season, without caveats (other than if we'd been relegated and the player declined the move).
    That's because he's pulling it out of his ar*e.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pilchards View Post
    No Bertrand has not been wanting to leave for a couple of years. Total bull**** on that one.
    Would we sell Targett if he wanted out?
    No it isn't.

    We had to sell to fund the Adams move, we had a buyer for Targett at the price we wanted, we didn't for Bertrand, simple

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    Bertrand is 30 years old. Too old for England, too old to go to a better club. Probably very well settled family life due to how long he's been here. His best option is to stay here and be first choice LB. He's not stupid either and will know this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamesfp1 View Post
    Bertrand is 30 years old. Too old for England, too old to go to a better club. Probably very well settled family life due to how long he's been here. His best option is to stay here and be first choice LB. He's not stupid either and will know this.
    His last chance of a big move has gone and his England chances, you're right, that doesn't mean he didn't want one though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gordon Mockles View Post
    Ideally it sounds sensible but this option hasn’t been well used by our current board whom are naive at best. Not helped none of them know football. Under that proviso, Danso should be returned since they won’t play him or play him in position?! He doesn’t figure but didn’t we pay an extortionate loan fee of 3.5 million for him? We never intended to sign Ings as we had. We made a mistake and played him as a sub which knocked us over the limit and activated the obligation to buy. So our biggest success from this season, Ings, stems from an alleged mistake by the club in how we manage & operate our loans.

    Incorrect. Danny Ings was a loan with an obligation to buy.

    All of you long winded and critical posts are based on you having absolutely no information on what is happening within the club. You do not know what Mr Gao thinks, or what his intentions are with Southampton FC. You know nothing about what transfers are or are not going to take place and you do not know how much money has been allocated for transfers.

    In fact everything you write is based on what you think, what you feel and your in built negativity towards people within our club that you personally know nothing about.

    The fact that the whole club are now making an immense effort to correct previous mistakes and create something that may well turn out to be quite special is being done on a sustainable basis. You are wrong to accuse the club of breaking promises when the club have made no promises, other than to do the very best it can in an incredibly competitive league.

    The people involved with Southampton FC are working flat out to make it a success and rather than keep sniping at them perhaps you should get behind the club 100%. No one is perfect and no human being can be right all the time. Things go wrong and mistakes are made but throwing criticism at what the club is or isn't doing, based on nothing but your opinion, is pathetic and very tiresome.

    There are very positive things happening within the club that can not be made public. No company holds its management meetings in public when it discusses future development or other sensitive matters. Southampton FC are no different.

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