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    Default Saints Vs Watford

    Massive.

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    We will failed to win the first of four must win home games last weekend.

    I expect the trend will continue with a draw here.

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    Thrown away 2 points tonight vs arsenal. Absolutely criminal. The parallels to 04/05 are there for all to see... We're going down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saint86 View Post
    Thrown away 2 points tonight vs arsenal. Absolutely criminal. The parallels to 04/05 are there for all to see... We're going down.
    Didn't we draw 2-2 there and they scored a stoppage time equaliser that season too?

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    I really dread going to St. Mary's. Hasenhuttl's last stand.

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    Simply have to win. And then beat Norwich.

    Otherwise it’s potentially 8 points adrift and curtains.

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    After next 5 games we will be in a better position.

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    Must win. Simple as

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    Quote Originally Posted by K,Billy's supersound View Post
    After next 5 games we will be in a better position.
    Lol

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    Live on sky in a must win at home.

    We’ll huff and puff, look okay at times but fall away and draw 1-1

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    Quote Originally Posted by K,Billy's supersound View Post
    After next 5 games we will be in a better position.
    Agree. Saw a different team today, a point and plenty of positives. Prior today thought we would struggle to stay up. But now confident that we’ll quickly climb the table.

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    Quote Originally Posted by K,Billy's supersound View Post
    After next 5 games we will be in a better position.
    Agree, plenty to build on from today and throw in a new coach with Ralph.

    Good things coming....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Delmary View Post
    Agree. Saw a different team today, a point and plenty of positives. Prior today thought we would struggle to stay up. But now confident that we’ll quickly climb the table.
    Out of interest, what was that different? Yes we played a bit better than we have been, but we still concede really soft goals and we’re still not that clinical.

    You can be unreal from box to box, but if you’re arguably the weakest in the in both boxes (which won’t change without significant investment) then you’re going down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SKD View Post
    Out of interest, what was that different? Yes we played a bit better than we have been, but we still concede really soft goals and we’re still not that clinical.

    You can be unreal from box to box, but if you’re arguably the weakest in the in both boxes (which won’t change without significant investment) then you’re going down.
    This x 10.

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    We all know what’ll happen here. Must win but we’ll blow it like we usually do against Watford. Their strikers must be licking their chops right now.

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    Arsenal were pretty open but of course the teams coming to St Mary's won't let us have so much freedom and chances.
    Still, all that said and as a non-season ticket holder, quite fancy getting a ticket for Watford after today's performance.

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    I honestly, genuinely wonder if a game behind closed doors would do this lot some good. They’re just so frail mentally, you can almost read it in their faces as they walk out at St Mary’s; they’re just going to bottle it in front of their own fans. Again.

    Let’s all just stay at home and give the lads a chance.

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    Should be interesting, the 2 poorest teams in the PL battling to avoid the wooden spoon.
    We may score, they certainly will going on current (3 years) home form.
    1-2 defeat. RH sacked, Mourinho appointed after shock sacking from Spurs. Forced to buy new players from his own bulging pockets after Goa belatedly tells him the cupboard is bare.
    The rest is history... in 3 years Kane appears on the Saintsweb forum header just after he lifts the PL trophy.
    I have a dream....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lighthouse View Post
    I honestly, genuinely wonder if a game behind closed doors would do this lot some good. They’re just so frail mentally, you can almost read it in their faces as they walk out at St Mary’s; they’re just going to bottle it in front of their own fans. Again.

    Let’s all just stay at home and give the lads a chance.
    Whose going to tell the Chinese tourists and those on hospitality freebies?

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    Would like to see..

    McCarthy
    Valery, Stephens, Bednarek, Bertrand
    JWP, Romeu, Armstrong
    Djenepo, Ings, Boufal

    Might have to consider replacing stephens too if Deeney's going to start

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    1-2...last gasp goal mouth scramble in which Saints players defend valiantly but ultimately incompetently to lose the game in the 94th minute.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lighthouse View Post
    I honestly, genuinely wonder if a game behind closed doors would do this lot some good. They’re just so frail mentally, you can almost read it in their faces as they walk out at St Mary’s; they’re just going to bottle it in front of their own fans. Again.

    Let’s all just stay at home and give the lads a chance.
    Tend to agree, I don't think Watford will get to us, but the occasion probably will. Think the fans have a massive part to play next week.

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    What usually follows a decent away showing but ultimately disappointing result?

    Southampton 0-1 Watford

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    Please win this, Saints.

    But we have looked so f*cking short of doing that this season.

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    The players need to train at St Mary’s all week plus they need to rip out the home dressing room and redesign it as it’s an unhappy place for the players at the moment.

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    We all know what happens when we play Watford, we either blow leads and concede in stoppage time, or the ref disallows a goal fir us or ignores a handball goal, or a bit of both. We ain’t winning this, bit by a long chalk.

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    Who will play upfront? Is Obafemi in the box seat now? Thought he did OK at Arsenal. Che looks a busted flush. £16m down the pan.
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    Must be just me but I didn’t think Obafemi was good enough yesterday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by northam soul View Post
    Must be just me but I didn’t think Obafemi was good enough yesterday.
    Disagree. He showed pace, held the ball up and laid on the pass that led to the penalty.

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    This will be a totally different game to yesterday. Arsenal attacked us, rather too patiently and were slow to recover when we broke. The early goal also made them commit more forward.

    Watford will sit back, frustrate and hit us with physicality and long balls over the top. We seem set on Stephens and Bednarek now, but I think they'll struggle. At least we now have the novelty of two specialist full backs.

    Not sure that Vestergaard, Yoshida or Danso (where is he?) can improve the situation, so I'd start with much the same team, but Djenepo for Obafemi.

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    I’d stick with the same side as arse al but maybe swap Obafemi for Boufal

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    Quote Originally Posted by SKD View Post
    Live on sky in a must win at home.

    We’ll huff and puff, look okay at times but fall away and draw 1-1
    Why do you care mate you are a quitter,?
    Youu have said it's all over several times

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    Quote Originally Posted by Batman View Post
    I’d stick with the same side as arse al but maybe swap Obafemi for Boufal
    This and Romeu for Hoj for me. He’s been a weak link recently

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    Keep some consistency in the the team and Formation. One change for me with Djenepo in for Obafemi,who had a good game against Arsenal, I don't think he will have the same effect Vs Watford as they wont be as open as Arsenal were

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    Dazzled I agree that line up looks ok I would be tempted to get Romeu back in the mix though. Why hasn't Che Adams on the bench for Arsenal? Is he a write off already?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Delmary View Post
    Agree. Saw a different team today, a point and plenty of positives. Prior today thought we would struggle to stay up. But now confident that we’ll quickly climb the table.
    I don't get this we've taken two points from 27 in the games since Bournemouth, yes we performed much better yesterday but how does that equate to us quickly climbing the table? Do you suddenly think we are going to stop conceding goals & bottling leads?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kingsbridge Saint View Post
    Che looks a busted flush. £16m down the pan.
    You think his value is £0?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pilchards View Post
    The players need to train at St Mary’s all week plus they need to rip out the home dressing room and redesign it as it’s an unhappy place for the players at the moment.
    They refitted the home dressing room in the summer. Is this the reason we're so bad at home?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Cat View Post
    They refitted the home dressing room in the summer. Is this the reason we're so bad at home?
    Not sure why we have been so poor at home since Koeman left?

    Something is not right as Everton are shocking and yet they beat us last week.
    What makes us think we will beat Watford?

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    What makes/made me optimistic, is the following:

    1. RH said before Arsenal, that the team after the two weeks break is now remembering a little more the virtues/basics they had earlier regarding pressing, aggressiveness and morale. These were friendly words for the public. i assume he had another statement to the team, like this: "Men, I want you to play my style. If anyone does not want to, he should tell me. if another bad performance happens, I will put some heads on a spike. If the defense plays rubbish I will replace the CBs during the game and send the replaced CBs straight to the training ground of the U23 till winter. Anybody playing horizontale for boring minutes like ball to CB-CB-keeper-LB-CB-CB-RB-keeper will be offered in winter transfer time to Tibetan or Indian clubs for the remainder of their career etc. etc."

    2. The match against Arsenal showed in high degree what I expect from a squad coached by Hasenhüttl. Entertaining. Chances. Morale. Yes, mistakes too, but many positive actions were visible. I often critizised Bertrand but I think this was his best game since 12 months. The yellow card was overdue, i admit. The impulse to play forward was almost always present.

    3. RH said after Arsenal that the team recognizes now that this was the style which can make trouble to any team of the PL. So I do hope they adhere to it each game, also next weekend. It is up to the coach to make this happen. Watford should be beaten, if not - game over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by K,Billy's supersound View Post
    After next 5 games we will be in a better position.
    This

    Fill the ground and get behind the boys

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    I saw Watfords away win at Norwich, will be a tough game, it will be frustrating as we huff and puff, I'm still resigned to us being relegated this season, hope they can prove me wrong.

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    Nothing other then a win is acceptable

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    I wish there was some correlation between our away and home form. We're not really a relegation side away from home. But we're the most odds on relegation side ever at home.

    Not sure line up, tactics etc make any difference at home. We just have to find the effort levels of away games and scrape a win somehow. 4 points from these 2 home games and I think we'll turn it round and stay up. Less than that and I really doubt it.

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    Anyone said it yet ? "MUST WIN" !

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    Can't say i'm confident. Finding a way to help out teams in trouble seems to be the Ralph approach this season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by adriansfc View Post
    I wish there was some correlation between our away and home form. We're not really a relegation side away from home. But we're the most odds on relegation side ever at home.

    Not sure line up, tactics etc make any difference at home. We just have to find the effort levels of away games and scrape a win somehow. 4 points from these 2 home games and I think we'll turn it round and stay up. Less than that and I really doubt it.

    I agree. I'd be happy to "scrape" 4 points over the next 2 games through any means possible. I think we have to build our confidence and form again at home. The first point is to get to h-t at the very worst drawing; every match this season we have been chasing the game in the 2nd half. Half-time scores in Premiership this season are (from memory) 0-1 (Liv), 0-1 (Man U), 0-2 (Bournemouth), 1-3 (Chelsea), 0-5 (Leicester), 0-1 (Everton). In some cases the game is over before we've even started. With the exception of Liverpool we've conceeded a goal (or more) in the very early part of each game.

    So getting to 15 minutes without conceeding, getting to h-t with a slight lead or drawing, and finally start a 2nd half without having to score at least 2 goals to win. Achieving 4 (or 6) points will help give us a foundation to push on over the rest of the season.

    It won't be easy, but I think that we start small (cut out early goals against) and we can kick on. In comparison to last year we have Djenpo, Boufal & Cedric available plus an in-form Ings, so we can match or exceed last year's performances under Ralph. We just need to get started ..........

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    Repeating the performance against Arsenal is one thing, handling the opponent's long passes another. Burnley did it well against us, correct reaction to our pressing, and made only long passes in order to avoid pressing situations. I hope RH has a solution to this. Then we will win.

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    Something like 21 shots at the Emirates on Saturday (only 4 less than Leicester down here who managed to stick 9 of them away without reply!), we'll be lucky to see half as many this time. Different game, we'll press, we'll struggle to get through, they'll knock it long and pick us off. Worse case scenario.

    Or it finally clicks and we have a field day.....nurse....

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