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    Quote Originally Posted by HKsaint View Post
    Agreed. Carillo is better than Adams.
    That is laughable I’m afraid.

    At least Adams has some assists.

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    We aren’t going to win every game whether on a good run or not. The way we lost was the most annoying part, but as a few more realistic posters have said, no shame in losing to that Wolves team.

    Pretty much every other result went our way which was a bit of luck. We won’t be getting relegated but a few need to calm down about top half finishes.

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    Can't get too upset after the run we have been on but.....

    how many times have we seen this? When we get a chance to really push on, we blow it.

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    As annoying as it was predictable

    Insurance bets were born from Saints predictability

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    Quote Originally Posted by HKsaint View Post
    Agreed. Carillo is better than Adams.
    You have to say there is not the faintest sign that Adams is a Premier League player. We should let Leeds have him and put it down to poor recruitment again.

    Agree, Carillo is actually better....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pilchards View Post
    Couldnít break them down.
    We are a much more exciting and attacking team away from home.
    Its RH job to work it out!
    Eh? We went 2 goals ahead, does that not suggest we DID break them down?

    Problem was our defence reverted to type, went to pieces and allowed Wolves 3 goals in the second half.

    A timely reminder really to the club that a temporary run of a few games does not suddenly change the fact that we have an extremely leaky defence and lack leaders and know how on the pitch when games start to turn. It's not just the defence, we could also do with more steel in central midfield.

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    Disappointing but credit to Wolves for coming back. They're a good side and man for man as good as anyone outside the top 2.

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    Was there a handball in the build up to their 3rd but var only checked for offside?

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    Two things caught up with us today;

    Our settled team were knackered after all the efforts since Christmas - Bertrand, JWP & Ings were nowhere near the pace today
    The subs have not had enough game time to be anywhere near up to speed - Boufal, Djenepo & Adams are good players but they need to play enough minutes to stay match fit and sharp

    Ralph needs to use his resources more wisely, of course do not change a winning team but at least give the subs a good run out week-to week to remain effective

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    Quote Originally Posted by simo View Post
    Was there a handball in the build up to their 3rd but var only checked for offside?
    I thought the commentators said they were checking for handball, there was no way Traore was offside, but the replays shown on TV didn't actually indicate this.

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    Executed game plan to a tee first half and clearly found a weakness with them defending crosses.

    Nuno got his changes spot on second half. Adama through the middle caused bednerak all sorts of problems. We should have dropped 10 yards as soon as that change was made, especially at 2-0 up.

    Didn’t think the 2 in the middle of the park had a great game and shows are lack in depth there (Romeu just doesn’t cut it).

    Overall, lost to the better team on the day but at 2-0 you shouldn’t be losing. Naivety from on the pitch and on the sideline today for me.

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    All the Wolves goals were good no complaints about them atall or the result we got what our second half display deserved. If i never see Stephens or Redmond play for us again i will be happy, ****e the pair of them.

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    Re: Those comments about the kid running on to the pitch.

    Was it the kids parent that got into that almighty scrap with the stewards down towards the family section? Looked like a pretty violent episode.

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    The 3 goals we lost were all from counter-attack. In contrast, we sat back in the winning against Spurs and Chelsea and our defence was solid.

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    Their first and third goals were bizarre. It was as it we almost stopped, thinking VAR would save us. There were possible offsides and handballs but we've had the rub of the VAR green so far.

    Thought the pen was marginal. Not a "clear and obvious" error fir the ref not giving it. Can't see that being overturned against the "big" teams .

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    Quote Originally Posted by simo View Post
    Was there a handball in the build up to their 3rd but var only checked for offside?
    Other way round. Only checked handball.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saint_clark View Post
    Cedric was good but terrible for their first, why the **** did he give so much space to him that he was able to do a complete 180 turn and shoot.

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    You do talk a load of tosh mate. Cedric was by far our best player today. One bad result and off you go...

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    Quote Originally Posted by simo View Post
    Was there a handball in the build up to their 3rd but var only checked for offside?
    It said checking handball on the big screen.

    Just watched reply, looked like it could have been handball. A close one.

    I thought in general, the ref was poor today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by K,Billy's supersound View Post
    All the Wolves goals were good no complaints about them atall or the result we got what our second half display deserved. If i never see Stephens or Redmond play for us again i will be happy, ****e the pair of them.
    You have a very short memory.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SKD View Post
    It said checking handball on the big screen.

    Just watched reply, looked like it could have been handball. A close one.

    I thought in general, the ref was poor today.
    Think it was his first PL game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by K,Billy's supersound View Post
    All the Wolves goals were good no complaints about them atall or the result we got what our second half display deserved. If i never see Stephens or Redmond play for us again i will be happy, ****e the pair of them.
    Although Redmond hit the bar. That would have been 3-0 a d a different story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shroppie View Post
    Think it was his first PL game.

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    And that may have contributed to the VAR ref taking so many decisions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonnyboy View Post
    I think Ralph was naive to go for the win, rather than taking off Armstrong and replacing with Dejenpo it should have been Romeu. Our midfield was already totally overrun.
    Yep. Shouod have tried to dig in for 15 minutes then put some fresh legs on up top.

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    Shouldn't over-react...that game could easily have gone either way. So close to 3-0 up and game over...their first goal turned the game. Is it only me that thought Bednarak missed the early tackle on Traore that would have stopped that?

    Anyway at 2-0 up texted my Wolves-supporter mate who had given up on his team saying they were in such poor form...knowing Saints I said it's not over...was strangely calm as the predictable comeback unfolded.

    Bottom line is it was an even game against a strong team. Redmond inches away from a spectacular goal that would have put us ahead. Fine margins.

    Anyone else think we are giving away teams a big advantage having their supporters behind our goal...especially when they attack that end in the second half?

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    sorry but i am allowed to not rate if only... Redmond and my memory fine regards Stephens he is and will always in the main be ****.

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    Whilst Stephens and Bednarek have been great lately they were always going to have a bad game at some point, and they did today.

    Credit to Bednarek for the excellent goal but when he committed to the challenge on Traore for the first he needed to make sure he brought him down.

    The penalty was Stephens not spotting the run quickly enough and then making a stupid tackle when Cedric could possibly have covered.

    Then the third was Stephens ball watching instead of stepping up. If he took one stride forwards Traore would probably have been offside but he wasn't aware.

    Still, no point hanging anyone out to dry after the recent run, where they've been great, but that was a really bad game to take no points from going into two tough PL matches now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HKsaint View Post
    The 3 goals we lost were all from counter-attack. In contrast, we sat back in the winning against Spurs and Chelsea and our defence was solid.
    YES!

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    Quote Originally Posted by benjii View Post
    Whilst Stephens and Bednarek have been great lately they were always going to have a bad game at some point, and they did today.

    Credit to Bednarek for the excellent goal but when he committed to the challenge on Traore for the first he needed to make sure he brought him down.

    The penalty was Stephens not spotting the run quickly enough and then making a stupid tackle when Cedric could possibly have covered.

    Then the third was Stephens ball watching instead of stepping up. If he took one stride forwards Traore would probably have been offside but he wasn't aware.

    Still, no point hanging anyone out to dry after the recent run, where they've been great, but that was a really bad game to take no points from going into two tough PL matches now.
    Correct.

    I just hope the club haven’t put all their eggs in Stephens / bednerak as I’m not convinced either are good enough.

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    Went in at half time 2-0 up against a tired looking Wolves side and thought it was job done, incredibly naive to not come out and apply the same level of pressure that we did in the first half.

    Would have taken a point before the game and am even more fuming we didnít get that given the lead we had.

    A sobering reminder to stop with the silly talk of Europe and that Stephens is the next Alderweireld - thereís still a long way to go yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by K,Billy's supersound View Post
    If i never see Stephens or Redmond play for us again i will be happy, ****e the pair of them.
    ******. Redmond actually did very well today, especially first half.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shroppie View Post
    Although Redmond hit the bar. That would have been 3-0 a d a different story.

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    That was at 2-2.

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    Hugely disappointing. A decent in game manager would have seen our midfield getting over run and immediately put 5 (Romeu) there. Subs are always late. Ralph needs to work on this more to be a top manager.

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    On the Solent interview before the game RH seemed to be talking some nonsense about not needing any players during this window. That immediately raised some flags that a bit of complacency had set in and my first thought was it lined us up for a loss today. Plus the talk at half time about not having lost to Wolves in the league at home for 50 odd years. It is pretty clear we are still lacking strength at the back and in midfield. This was a classic Saints defeat.

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    Hit the woodwork twice again today...

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    Beaten up by Antonio v West Ham and same today by Traore

    Also, as usual our opponents won bost of the ball in the air.

    We have struggled in this department ever since losing Pelle.

    We remain crap at throw ins!!

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    Both sides made chances, Wolves took more of theirs. Disappointing defending considering how well organised we have been recently and a good reminder that we should take nothing for granted but not worth melting down over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by benjii View Post
    That was at 2-2.
    Fair enough

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    Quote Originally Posted by stknowle View Post
    ******. Redmond actually did very well today, especially first half.
    Also thought redmond was pretty awful .. he always really slows the play down imo.. completely lightweight and very overly cautious for someone who’s meant to be one our creators.
    Thought ward prowse had another good game. Worked hard and some decent deliveries .. Cedric also one of our better players.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shroppie View Post

    Thought the pen was marginal. Not a "clear and obvious" error fir the ref not giving it. Can't see that being overturned against the "big" teams .

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    I was right in line with it in the Kingsland and it was a stonewall pen. Shocking the ref didnít give it, everybody sat round me knew it would be overturned. Nothing to do with the size of the team, it was a pen.



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    Quote Originally Posted by SKD View Post
    It said checking handball on the big screen.

    Just watched reply, looked like it could have been handball. A close one.

    I thought in general, the ref was poor today.
    Quote Originally Posted by Shroppie View Post
    Think it was his first PL game.

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    Yes, he seemed to me to be trying too hard. There were a few decisions that I might have given the other way but his biggest fault was not signalling for the free kicks. JWP got booked for only two fouls which was harsh but I thought he got the penalty decision right. I shall look at it again later but you couldn’t say that there was a clear and obvious error.

    2-0 is always a dangerous score. Next goal will win it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by captainchris View Post
    Ummmm Chez Adams - really .... Ralph is a bit obsessed with him and I canít see for the life of me why. Would rather we progressed Obefemi and I wouldnt like to see Adams blocking his opportunities.
    Ralphís weakness seems to be personnel choices and favourites...
    Undone second half tactically too...
    Good run though but another one where Ralph needs to look inwards.
    Obsessed with him?? He has started like one game since his early run in the side so Iím not sure why you think this?
    That said he really didnít offer much at all when coming on.. beaten in the air the majority of the time and hardly got involved

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    Quote Originally Posted by pimpin4rizeal View Post
    Obsessed with him?? He has started like one game since his early run in the side so I’m not sure why you think this?
    That said he really didn’t offer much at all when coming on.. beaten in the air the majority of the time and hardly got involved
    That’s all very true, but Ings wasn’t a lot different.

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    Why in the hell is Hojbjerg in the team?

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    Quote Originally Posted by saintpuerto View Post
    Why in the hell is Hojbjerg in the team?
    We donít have anyone else with the mobility required.

    That and the apparent need to not bring anyone in this window. Barking

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    Quote Originally Posted by pimpin4rizeal View Post
    Also thought redmond was pretty awful .. he always really slows the play down imo.. completely lightweight and very overly cautious for someone whoís meant to be one our creators.
    Fair enough, imho your assessment would be accurate of his season generally but not so much today.

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    We were decent enough in the first half but I never felt we were in control of the game. They put Traore up top 2nd half and that is why made the difference. Our Centre backs could not cope with his pace and power. Stephens had a very poor game - there was absolutely no need to give away that penalty, Cedric was round on the cover and would have got to the ball before the wolves player.

    There can't be any other Central Midfield players in the league that pass as badly as Hojbjerg surely? He must have given the ball away about 20 times today.

    I thought Long and Cedric were decent but Ings didn't get much of a sniff at all. We need to get something from the Palace game with Liverpool away in a couple of weeks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harry_SFC View Post
    We were decent enough in the first half but I never felt we were in control of the game. They put Traore up top 2nd half and that is why made the difference. Our Centre backs could not cope with his pace and power. Stephens had a very poor game - there was absolutely no need to give away that penalty, Cedric was round on the cover and would have got to the ball before the wolves player.

    There can't be any other Central Midfield players in the league that pass as badly as Hojbjerg surely? He must have given the ball away about 20 times today.

    I thought Long and Cedric were decent but Ings didn't get much of a sniff at all. We need to get something from the Palace game with Liverpool away in a couple of weeks.
    That's largely rubbish. Neither Stephens nor Hojbjerg had bad games. It would be good to get something at Palace but not critical.

    But I am annoyed that some slack defending cost us.

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    Oh inevitable sinking feeling, how I’ve missed you.

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