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Based on their time with us:

Fraser Forster

 

Nathaniel Clyne - Toby Alderweireld - Virgil van Dijk - Ryan Bertrand

 

Morgan Schneiderlin - Victor Wanyama

 

Dusan Tadic - Adam Lallana - Sadio Mane

 

Graziano Pelle

 

 

Would agree with this if based on their PL peak although could make arguments for Shaw and Ings on that criteria.

 

The rest picks itself.

 

Also shows very clearly when our heyday was (of recent years).

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Thinking about it, Rickie probably wouldn’t be in my second choice either

 

Forster

 

Cédric - Fonte - Lovren - Shaw

 

Cork - Romeu

 

J Rod - Armstrong - Lallana

 

Ings

 

Thinking about it, Rickie probably wouldn’t be in my second choice either

 

Forster

 

Cédric - Fonte - Lovren - Shaw

 

Cork - Romeu

 

J Rod - Armstrong - Lallana

 

Ings

 

He would be if you selected him ahead of Armstrong.

 

Redmond would also be a way ahead of Armstrong if you want the same formation.

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It's incredibly hard to choose between Lambert, Pellè and Ings yet finding one goalkeeper is equally difficult but for different reasons.

 

 

Forster

 

Clyne

van Dijk

Fonte

Bertrand

 

Wanyama

Lallana

Tadic

Mané

 

Lambert

Pellè

 

Subs

 

Boruc

Shaw

Alderweireld

Schneiderlin

Ings

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Think people are doing Rickie an incredible disservice. He was one of only four players in Europe to get double figures for goals and assists in his last season with us IIRC.

 

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Memories of him dropping wide, shielding the ball and bringing the rest of the team into play. He was so much more then just a finisher, a complete forward at his peak.

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Memories of him dropping wide, shielding the ball and bringing the rest of the team into play. He was so much more then just a finisher, a complete forward at his peak.

 

I agree, he’d walk into my 3rd choice team. ;)

 

McCarthy

 

Chambers - Yoshida - Bednarek - Targett

 

Hojbjerg - Lemina

 

Redmond - JWP - Gabbiadini

 

Lambert

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Think people are doing Rickie an incredible disservice. He was one of only four players in Europe to get double figures for goals and assists in his last season with us IIRC.

 

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I love Rickie but head over heart Pelle was the better player. Pelle was a great centre forward once he found his feet here even when he had a couple of Barron spells he still was a great target man and centre forward. We all love Lambert and he was an amazing player for us and will go down as a great player in our rise back to the premier league but head says of the two Pelle is better

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Based on their time with us:

Fraser Forster

 

Nathaniel Clyne - Toby Alderweireld - Virgil van Dijk - Ryan Bertrand

 

Morgan Schneiderlin - Victor Wanyama

 

Dusan Tadic - Adam Lallana - Sadio Mane

 

Graziano Pelle

 

 

 

 

What a team to watch that would have been....

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Ings 22 in 46 (League) in a weaker/struggling team.

 

Pelle 12 in 38 (League) in a half decent team.

 

How many would Ings score playing with Mane, Tadic, Lallana?

 

Firstly, it's more than just Pelle's goals. He's a physical presence and held the ball up well. Secondly, you've just taken one Pelle season and combined both of Ings' for some reason. Pelle was fully fit for almost the entirety of his two year spell, which is not something Ings can claim. Pelle has 23 in 2 seasons, Ings has 22 but would probably edge ahead if we played the remainder of this season.

 

Pelle is also much better looking, whereas Ings sort of looks like a tall dwarf.

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If we take it at their prime (just their best season)

 

Forster

 

Bertrand alderwerield VvD bertrand

 

Schneiderlin JWP

 

Mane lallana tadic

 

Ings

 

To be honest, I'm surprised at those saying pelle over ings, ings numbers have been far better than pelles and he looks a lot more capable. Was hard to chose between jwp and wanyama but while wanyama was slightly better defensively, jwps set pieces as well as the fact he can pass a ball well which wanyama couldn't swayed it for me. Was close to putting redmond or Davis above lallana but wasn't sure.

 

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Ings has scored 1 less goal than pelle in 22 less games. And pelle had far superior players around him. Ings is a lot better tbh, I think people just look back at the past with Rose tinted glasses.

 

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If we take it at their prime (just their best season)

 

Forster

 

Bertrand alderwerield VvD bertrand

 

Schneiderlin JWP

 

Mane lallana tadic

 

Ings

 

To be honest, I'm surprised at those saying pelle over ings, ings numbers have been far better than pelles and he looks a lot more capable. Was hard to chose between jwp and wanyama but while wanyama was slightly better defensively, jwps set pieces as well as the fact he can pass a ball well which wanyama couldn't swayed it for me. Was close to putting redmond or Davis above lallana but wasn't sure.

 

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Close to putting Redmond above Lallana? :lol:

 

Redmond has been nowhere near the level Lallana hit in 2013/2014.

 

Boruc

Clyne - Toby - VvD - Bertrand

Morgan - Wanyama

Tadic - Lallana - Mane

Lambert

 

Forster, Fonte, Davis, Shaw, JWP, Ings, Pelle.

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Firstly, it's more than just Pelle's goals. He's a physical presence and held the ball up well. Secondly, you've just taken one Pelle season and combined both of Ings' for some reason. Pelle was fully fit for almost the entirety of his two year spell, which is not something Ings can claim. Pelle has 23 in 2 seasons, Ings has 22 but would probably edge ahead if we played the remainder of this season.

 

Pelle is also much better looking, whereas Ings sort of looks like a tall dwarf.

 

Apologies on the stat error, they didn't look right when I wrote them, found them squinting at small text on a phone after a glass or two!

I knew the Carlos Kickaball/swarthy foreigner/man-thing came into it somewhere.

I've been impressed with just how good Ings is this season.

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Ings scored most of his goals with Long as his strike partner making space for him.

 

Pelle played up front alone while bringing other players into the game.

 

That makes a huge difference between them. I don't think Ings is half as effective as a lone forward.

 

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My team would be:

 

---------------Boruc-----------------

Clyne----Toby------VVD------Bertrand

-----Wanyama--------JWP-----------

Mane-----------Tadic-----------JRod

----------------Pelle----------------

 

I think a Wanyama/JWP pairing is more complimentary than Schneiderlin with either of the other two, even though he was great for us when he was in his prime.

 

I realise that Tadic was at his best on the left for us, but he didn't really ever get a run through the middle, and Lallana was supposed to be playing from the right during his best season for us anyway. Of the two I think Tadic was the more creative player sio he gets the nod.

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Close to putting Redmond above Lallana? :lol:

 

Redmond has been nowhere near the level Lallana hit in 2013/2014.

 

Boruc

Clyne - Toby - VvD - Bertrand

Morgan - Wanyama

Tadic - Lallana - Mane

Lambert

 

Forster, Fonte, Davis, Shaw, JWP, Ings, Pelle.

 

This (bench included) but with Pelle over Lambert, he's just a bit better overall imo. That said, I can see the case for Pelle, Lambert or Ings up top but I'd want a 4231 and I think Pelle is the best of the 3 as the man in that system.

 

The one selection that some have made that surprises me is David over Lallana. Davis was a great link man, loyal and hardworking, but at his best Lallana was head and shoulders over him.

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For the Pelle/Ings conundrum: If Ings keeps up his form for the (potential) completion of this season and into next he'll probably eclipse Pelle, at least in my team.

 

Ings

2018-19: 8 goals in 25 appearances (all competitions)

2019-20: 18 goals in 33 appearances (all competitions)

 

Pelle

2014-15: 16 goals in 44 appearances (all competitions)

2015-16: 14 goals in 37 appearances (all competitions)

 

Pelle is also dreamy, and his missus is exceptional. So there's that too.

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Ings scored most of his goals with Long as his strike partner making space for him.

 

Pelle played up front alone while bringing other players into the game.

 

That makes a huge difference between them. I don't think Ings is half as effective as a lone forward.

 

EDIT:

 

My team would be:

 

---------------Boruc-----------------

Clyne----Toby------VVD------Bertrand

-----Wanyama--------JWP-----------

Mane-----------Tadic-----------JRod

----------------Pelle----------------

 

I think a Wanyama/JWP pairing is more complimentary than Schneiderlin with either of the other two, even though he was great for us when he was in his prime.

 

I realise that Tadic was at his best on the left for us, but he didn't really ever get a run through the middle, and Lallana was supposed to be playing from the right during his best season for us anyway. Of the two I think Tadic was the more creative player sio he gets the nod.

 

JWP cannot be picked over Schneiderlin on the basis of best PL level IMO.

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Schneiderlin playing for Saints was, in my opinion, one of the best midfielders we ever had. And yes, I did see Ball, Williams, Case etc. He's not really found his form again after United, but the player he was for us is surely unquestionable.

 

VvD, Alderweireld and Clyne are also definites, probably Mane as well. The difficult choices are Tadic/Lallana, Shaw/Bertrand, Forster/Boruc, Wanyama/Cork/JWP/Davis and which of Ings/Lambert/Pelle/JRod.

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VvD, Alderweireld and Clyne are also definites, probably Mane as well. The difficult choices are Tadic/Lallana, Shaw/Bertrand, Forster/Boruc, Wanyama/Cork/JWP/Davis and which of Ings/Lambert/Pelle/JRod.

 

Has to be Tadic for me, the way he took teams apart in the first half of Koeman's first season was just brilliant to watch. Against Sunderland he was just a machine; a goal and four assists. Then he got our first win at OT in f**k knows, that Bournemouth game under Hughes, ripping Chelsea to bits at the Bridge when Mourinho got sacked. On his day he was unplayable. I know he was inconsistent but Lallana was nothing special in the first season either.

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Boruc

Clyne Fonte Van Dijk Bertrand

 

Schneiderlin Wanyama

Mane Lallana Rodriguez

Lambert.

 

I think this would be mine, except Toby in for Fonte.

 

Although Lambert may not have been at his best and Tadic may have been better than Lallana in many ways, the understanding between Lallana, Lambert and JRod was sometimes beautiful. They worked together better than any of the other attacking combinations.

 

Boruc or Forster is a bit 50/50.

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Think people are doing Rickie an incredible disservice. He was one of only four players in Europe to get double figures for goals and assists in his last season with us IIRC.

 

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I agree.

 

He got picked for England & a move to Liverpool on the back of his performances in the Premier league . Under Poch he was superb, above Pelle imo.

 

If we’re talking about their best form in a saints shirt, I’d go 4-2-3-1

 

AB

 

Clyne

Shaw

Toby

VVD

 

Big Vic

Morgan

 

Lallana

Mane

Tadic

 

Lambert

 

 

 

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JWP cannot be picked over Schneiderlin on the basis of best PL level IMO.

 

I think since Ralph took over, JWP's all round game has been as good as Morgan's was. Morgan was a better ball winner, but JWP is playing in a more open midfield than him in a much worse team and is expectd to be involved at both ends of the pitch more than Morgan was. I think if Morgan was playing in our current team, he'd offer less than JWP. Inversely, if the current JWP was playing in the strongest team that Morgan played in alongside Wanyama, I think he'd be even more effective at contributing in attacking play and not much of a drop off defensively.

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I think since Ralph took over, JWP's all round game has been as good as Morgan's was. Morgan was a better ball winner, but JWP is playing in a more open midfield than him in a much worse team and is expectd to be involved at both ends of the pitch more than Morgan was. I think if Morgan was playing in our current team, he'd offer less than JWP. Inversely, if the current JWP was playing in the strongest team that Morgan played in alongside Wanyama, I think he'd be even more effective at contributing in attacking play and not much of a drop off defensively.

 

It's all opinion, of course, but I'm amazed by this. When we had Morgan/Cork or Morgan/Wanyama, we had the strongest and most consistent midfield in the PL. He was nearly faultless game after game, so good that United wanted him to be their central midfielder and he was in one of the strongest national teams in the world. Can you really see United coming in for JWP? He can barely get a look in at international level. I think it will be a long time before we have a midfielder as complete as Schneiderlin was for us. But as I say, it's all opinion and we can't compare them side by side at their peak.

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It's all opinion, of course, but I'm amazed by this. When we had Morgan/Cork or Morgan/Wanyama, we had the strongest and most consistent midfield in the PL. He was nearly faultless game after game, so good that United wanted him to be their central midfielder and he was in one of the strongest national teams in the world. Can you really see United coming in for JWP? He can barely get a look in at international level. I think it will be a long time before we have a midfielder as complete as Schneiderlin was for us. But as I say, it's all opinion and we can't compare them side by side at their peak.

 

Morgan failed at United and for France is because he didn't offer enough going forwards in the style that either team played. For us, he was amazing at intercepting passes or breaking up play then laying the ball off. His long diagonals to Clyne were also incredibly effective and he popped up with the odd goal. This is because we were playing teams that were out to get after us most of the time and we struggled against teams that sat back because neither Wanyama or Morgan were consistently creative enough when we had the ball.

 

JWP is asked to do a lot more in our current system than Morgan ever was. He covers as much ground, has less talented players around him and is expected to offer something going forward and to consistently attempt high risk passes.

 

I think JWP is a more complete, versatile midfielder than Schneiderlin who in his prime was a better specialist ball winner. I think Wanyama was better at shielding the defence, but Morgan was great at getting the ball back around the half-way line.

 

In the team I picked, I think JWP/Morgan wouldn't be as effective as their styles are less complimentary then Wanyama with one of the other two and JWP gets in due to the fact he offers a bit more in the opposition half than Morgan does. I honestly think that if JWP keeps playing to the same level a big club will be after him sooner rather than later.

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Easy to overlook Jay Rod. In the spell the couple of months before his injury he was absolutely class and looked like developing into a top player.

 

Very different to Tadic so hard to really judge whose top level was superior.

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If we take it at their prime (just their best season)

 

Forster

 

Bertrand alderwerield VvD bertrand

 

Schneiderlin JWP

 

Mane lallana tadic

 

Ings

 

To be honest, I'm surprised at those saying pelle over ings, ings numbers have been far better than pelles and he looks a lot more capable. Was hard to chose between jwp and wanyama but while wanyama was slightly better defensively, jwps set pieces as well as the fact he can pass a ball well which wanyama couldn't swayed it for me. Was close to putting redmond or Davis above lallana but wasn't sure.

 

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Some player that Bertrand / bertrand fella!

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Easy to overlook Jay Rod. In the spell the couple of months before his injury he was absolutely class and looked like developing into a top player.

 

Very different to Tadic so hard to really judge whose top level was superior.

 

Tadic at his best was sublime. Didn’t produce it anywhere near as much as we’d have liked, but when he did, man he was magic. I remember a City game where his touch, little weighted passes & angles, reminded me of Bally. Bournemouth game as well, that’ll stay long in my memory.

 

 

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Easy to overlook Jay Rod. In the spell the couple of months before his injury he was absolutely class and looked like developing into a top player.

 

Very different to Tadic so hard to really judge whose top level was superior.

 

I don't think you can really, it's like trying to chose between Bertrand and Schneiderlin.

 

I think with that formation (which is definitely my favourite since we came up) you need the right balance in the front four. Jay Rod and Mane are competing for that burst of pace and direct running role, which Mane wins for me. Then Lambert/Ings/Pelle for the main striker, Tadic and Lallana for the creativity and Davis and Armstrong for the 'engine'. I think you need one of each to work properly.

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Tadic at his best was sublime. Didn’t produce it anywhere near as much as we’d have liked, but when he did, man he was magic. I remember a City game where his touch, little weighted passes & angles, reminded me of Bally. Bournemouth game as well, that’ll stay long in my memory.

 

 

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Forster

Clyne Toby VVD Bertrand

JWP Morgan

Tadic Mane J-Rod

Ings

 

With France Schneiderlin was exected to perform the holding role on his own and got dragged out of position a lot.

Tough to drop Wanyama & Pelle but I include JWP for his engine alongside Morgan. Ings, Mane, J-Rod with pace to burn and Tadic to supply the through balls.

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