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Their lack of self-awarness and delusion about their place in football really is a sight to behold :lol:

 

If you want delusion, look at the league table from yesterday's official Skate site - like the -10, they won't accept the two defeats and bottom 4 placing until their appeal has been heard.

 

http://www.portsmouthfc.co.uk/LatestNews/news/Appy-We-Won-t-Change-3657.aspx

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Bit surprised more wasn't made of this little gem - the DCFSBs live up to their name yet again.

 

http://www.chichester.co.uk/sport/football/pompey-latest/appy-players-are-staying-until-january-1-4217723

 

 

Michael Appleton has revealed Pompey’s players cannot move to another club until January.

The Blues’ current squad will not be allowed to sign for another team before the start of 2013, despite most of them being on one-month deals.

And Appleton assured supporters the finance is in place to keep together the players currently at Fratton Park, regardless of whether a takeover of the club is completed in the coming days.

The Pompey players’ current deals run until September 6 – and Football League regulations state only players unattached on the final day of the window can be signed in a closed period.

Appleton said: ‘We’re in control of the situation.

‘They can’t leave the club until the contract finishes – which is the second week of September.

‘If they leave they can’t sign for another club until January, so it’s in their best interests to stay.

‘Even if they don’t want to stay beyond January they can earn themselves a contract by playing and playing well.

‘It was a difficult situation we were put in, but we knew what we were doing and we weren’t stupid.

‘We weren’t going in with our eyes closed.

‘It works for both parties. If they aren’t comfortable with the situation in January we can reassess it then.

‘It’s in everyone’s best interests to re-sign.’

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Bit surprised more wasn't made of this little gem - the DCFSBs live up to their name yet again.

 

http://www.chichester.co.uk/sport/football/pompey-latest/appy-players-are-staying-until-january-1-4217723

 

 

Michael Appleton has revealed Pompey’s players cannot move to another club until January.

The Blues’ current squad will not be allowed to sign for another team before the start of 2013, despite most of them being on one-month deals.

And Appleton assured supporters the finance is in place to keep together the players currently at Fratton Park, regardless of whether a takeover of the club is completed in the coming days.

The Pompey players’ current deals run until September 6 – and Football League regulations state only players unattached on the final day of the window can be signed in a closed period.

Appleton said: ‘We’re in control of the situation.

‘They can’t leave the club until the contract finishes – which is the second week of September.

‘If they leave they can’t sign for another club until January, so it’s in their best interests to stay.

‘Even if they don’t want to stay beyond January they can earn themselves a contract by playing and playing well.

‘It was a difficult situation we were put in, but we knew what we were doing and we weren’t stupid.

‘We weren’t going in with our eyes closed.

‘It works for both parties. If they aren’t comfortable with the situation in January we can reassess it then.

‘It’s in everyone’s best interests to re-sign.’

 

Struggling with a lack of cash?

 

Can't seem to make your way in the game under a transfer embargo?

 

Creditors you'd like to mug off?

 

Contact Skates FC, we have the IP to give everyone the V's*

 

*Football league sanctioned and approved

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Bit surprised more wasn't made of this little gem - the DCFSBs live up to their name yet again.

 

http://www.chichester.co.uk/sport/football/pompey-latest/appy-players-are-staying-until-january-1-4217723

 

 

Michael Appleton has revealed Pompey’s players cannot move to another club until January.

The Blues’ current squad will not be allowed to sign for another team before the start of 2013, despite most of them being on one-month deals.

And Appleton assured supporters the finance is in place to keep together the players currently at Fratton Park, regardless of whether a takeover of the club is completed in the coming days.

The Pompey players’ current deals run until September 6 – and Football League regulations state only players unattached on the final day of the window can be signed in a closed period.

Appleton said: ‘We’re in control of the situation.

‘They can’t leave the club until the contract finishes – which is the second week of September.

‘If they leave they can’t sign for another club until January, so it’s in their best interests to stay.

‘Even if they don’t want to stay beyond January they can earn themselves a contract by playing and playing well.

‘It was a difficult situation we were put in, but we knew what we were doing and we weren’t stupid.

‘We weren’t going in with our eyes closed.

‘It works for both parties. If they aren’t comfortable with the situation in January we can reassess it then.

‘It’s in everyone’s best interests to re-sign.’

 

I wonder what the PFA will have to say about that - If pompey discard one of those players on the 6th September, they will not be allowed to work until January - that can't be right surely. Restraint of trade springs to mind.

 

I have always tried to refrain from lobbing insults at them, but they really are the lowest form of pond life.

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I wonder what the PFA will have to say about that - If pompey discard one of those players on the 6th September, they will not be allowed to work until January - that can't be right surely. Restraint of trade springs to mind.

 

I have always tried to refrain from lobbing insults at them, but they really are the lowest form of pond life.

 

Pretty sure they will be able to sign for other clubs as the loan window will be open won't it?

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I wonder what the PFA will have to say about that - If pompey discard one of those players on the 6th September, they will not be allowed to work until January - that can't be right surely. Restraint of trade springs to mind.

 

I have always tried to refrain from lobbing insults at them, but they really are the lowest form of pond life.

 

I thought the rules implied that appy was wrong? The club hold their registrations during their month but unless they renew the contract the don't keep the registration?

 

They are not effected by the various windows as, like owen, they are free agents and can sign at any time.

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The referee lost the plot. The game was probably a little bit too big for him and maybe the occasion was too big for him in terms of Fratton Park.

 

That has to be one of the best quotes ever........12,000 odd must have benn terrifying ;-)

A large chunk of that crowd were schoolkids with free tickets lol !

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the best quote......'The referee lost the plot. The game was probably a little bit too big for him and maybe the occasion was TOO BIG FOR HIM IN TERMS OF FRATTON PARK'...what the **** is that bloke on?!?!

 

But he then goes on to say that he didn't actually see the incident - so he's slagging-off the ref for losing the plot in the heated atmosphere of a half-empty stadium, and getting a decision completely wrong regarding an incident that Unappy himself claims he didn't see.

 

The complete lack of logic would have Mr Spock foaming at the mouth!

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I wonder what the PFA will have to say about that - If pompey discard one of those players on the 6th September, they will not be allowed to work until January - that can't be right surely. Restraint of trade springs to mind.

 

I have always tried to refrain from lobbing insults at them, but they really are the lowest form of pond life.

 

I thought the rules implied that appy was wrong? The club hold their registrations during their month but unless they renew the contract the don't keep the registration?

 

They are not effected by the various windows as, like owen, they are free agents and can sign at any time.

 

Okay, maybe I'm completely confused about the situation, but I thought:

 

a) DFCSBs were still under a transfer embargo, which meant that...

b) They can only "sign" players under one month "uncontracted" terms, which meant that...

c) According to someone who posted the exact rules on this a few days (couple of weeks?) ago (apologies - but this thread moves on far too quickly!) the players weren't tied to the club and therefore would be free to sign for any other club without impediment from DFCSBs

 

If it turns out that DFCSBs are actually signing these players on proper contracts which does stop the players from playing for another club until January at the earliest, how have they managed to get past the transfer embargo?

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Okay, maybe I'm completely confused about the situation, but I thought:

 

a) DFCSBs were still under a transfer embargo, which meant that...

b) They can only "sign" players under one month "uncontracted" terms, which meant that...

c) According to someone who posted the exact rules on this a few days (couple of weeks?) ago (apologies - but this thread moves on far too quickly!) the players weren't tied to the club and therefore would be free to sign for any other club without impediment from DFCSBs

 

If it turns out that DFCSBs are actually signing these players on proper contracts which does stop the players from playing for another club until January at the earliest, how have they managed to get past the transfer embargo?

 

Asked and answered m'lud

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the best quote......'The referee lost the plot. The game was probably a little bit too big for him and maybe the occasion was TOO BIG FOR HIM IN TERMS OF FRATTON PARK'...what the **** is that bloke on?!?!
I would have thought that the ref was too big for that game as he had the balls to send a home player off. Appy is obviously not appy as the home crowd did not influence the ref in his favour
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I know its chirlish and it is past history but...they're here, they're there, they're every ****ing where, empty seats, empty seats. Sorry had some skates pointing out how empty sms was when they weren't watching us on motd. League 1 with league 1 prices or not they are tin pot

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I would have thought that the ref was too big for that game as he had the balls to send a home player off. Appy is obviously not appy as the home crowd did not influence the ref in his favour

Looking at the ref's stats to see if it's the biggest game he's been involved with (answer: 3rd, behind Hull v Brighton 11/12 and Huddersfield v Yeovil 11/12) I noticed that he's not trigger happy, in his 36 previous matches at Conference National and above he's only sent off two players before.

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Neil Allen ‏@pn_neil_allen

 

Hearing Portpin want to charge #Pompey Trust £1m+ a year to rent Fratton Park. Property developer option would cost 8th or 9th of that.

 

So what exactly would the 'property developer's' financial model be ? He isn't running a charity.

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Neil Allen ‏@pn_neil_allen

 

Hearing Portpin want to charge #Pompey Trust £1m+ a year to rent Fratton Park. Property developer option would cost 8th or 9th of that.

 

Lets be generous and say the property developer only wants a 5% (i.e. one 20th) return. If they claim he only wants 8.5% of the the £1m that portpin want then he would need to buy FP for £(1m/8.5)*20 = 2.35 million. Good luck with that.

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Lets be generous and say the property developer only wants a 5% (i.e. one 20th) return. If they claim he only wants 8.5% of the the £1m that portpin want then he would need to buy FP for £(1m/8.5)*20 = 2.35 million. Good luck with that.

 

There's no way he would be happy with a 5% return.........unless he had an ulterior motive. Hmmmm

 

He either thinks he can get it for closer to 1.2m, or Mr. Allen is talking horsesh1t.

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There's no way he would be happy with a 5% return.........unless he had an ulterior motive. Hmmmm

 

He either thinks he can get it for closer to 1.2m, or Mr. Allen is talking horsesh1t.

I thought it was valued at 7m and a high profile Skate had reliably informed us it was worht close to 20m.Surely he wasnt talking s####
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I thought it was valued at 7m and a high profile Skate had reliably informed us it was worht close to 20m.Surely he wasnt talking s####

 

The £7M being mentioned comes from the Land Registry documentation; it's the price stated as paid for the property at its last sale rather than a valuation. As for Ho's famous Tesco valuation of £20M, that's just laughable - no change there then. :)

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Neil Allen ‏@pn_neil_allen

 

Hearing Portpin want to charge #Pompey Trust £1m+ a year to rent Fratton Park. Property developer option would cost 8th or 9th of that.

 

So, the rent would be about £115k per season? Or about £5-6k per home game?

 

Lol. Only true if there's a dubious ulterior motive.

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Neil Allen ‏@pn_neil_allen

 

Hearing Portpin want to charge #Pompey Trust £1m+ a year to rent Fratton Park. Property developer option would cost 8th or 9th of that.

 

Beginning to look like my post of the 23rd was pretty accurate!

 

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My prediction: Chainrai takes over, then offers the trust a deal for them to buy the football club as such, but with him retaining
Fratton Park and charging them rent at a silly rate, say even £1 million a year, effectively getting a return on his money without losing his equity.

 

If the trust won't (or more likely can't) do the deal, he either builds up big debts all over again, extracting whatever he can from the parachute payments and reneging on football creditors deals then makes a run for it ---- or he just liquidates immediately, leaving FP to rot for a bit till the council give up on their probably uneforceable restrictions and let him build there.

 

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Bit surprised more wasn't made of this little gem - the DCFSBs live up to their name yet again.

 

http://www.chichester.co.uk/sport/football/pompey-latest/appy-players-are-staying-until-january-1-4217723

 

 

Michael Appleton has revealed Pompey’s players cannot move to another club until January.

The Blues’ current squad will not be allowed to sign for another team before the start of 2013, despite most of them being on one-month deals.

And Appleton assured supporters the finance is in place to keep together the players currently at Fratton Park, regardless of whether a takeover of the club is completed in the coming days.

The Pompey players’ current deals run until September 6 – and Football League regulations state only players unattached on the final day of the window can be signed in a closed period.

Appleton said: ‘We’re in control of the situation.

‘They can’t leave the club until the contract finishes – which is the second week of September.

‘If they leave they can’t sign for another club until January, so it’s in their best interests to stay.

‘Even if they don’t want to stay beyond January they can earn themselves a contract by playing and playing well.

‘It was a difficult situation we were put in, but we knew what we were doing and we weren’t stupid.

‘We weren’t going in with our eyes closed.

‘It works for both parties. If they aren’t comfortable with the situation in January we can reassess it then.

‘It’s in everyone’s best interests to re-sign.

 

 

 

Surely he meant RESIGN ??

 

Now that WOULD be in their best interests

 

PS Can someone request the FA's "How to run an insolvent Business" brochure ..... must be a best seller by nowi

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Section 56 of the FL rules make it abundantly clear that Appy is incorrect about players not being able to sign for other clubs if they leave Portsmouth. He's just talking nonsense again.

 

Perhaps he was meaning they can't move until the January transfer window, which I think he's wrong about anyway

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But he then goes on to say that he didn't actually see the incident - so he's slagging-off the ref for losing the plot in the heated atmosphere of a half-empty stadium, and getting a decision completely wrong regarding an incident that Unappy himself claims he didn't see.

 

The complete lack of logic would have Mr Spock foaming at the mouth!

 

Which is the stock answer from most Managers.

 

It's always amazed me how it is that most Managers mysteriously MISS what happens on the pitch

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Appleton is talking b*ll*cks, imo.

 

If those players dont sign a renewal, they are free agents.

 

Unless, of course, they have some clause that PFC must formally say it is over after the month otherwise it is automatically renewed, which means imo Birchy has been lying about them being one-month contracts

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you got lucky, there was only one major development while you were away, then it all fizzled out a bit after that.

 

If you want to save yourself time -

 

the Trust agreed a deal of £7.25M for the ground, Chinny ripped up all security and has walked away smiling - we were sad to see him go.

 

Tesco has offered £20M for the land but the Trust is more likely to redevelop the site themselves with the backing of supporters.

They also increased their offer to CVA creditors, sorted the charities, and renegotiated with all the former players to pay £6M.

They've already cleared that in cash from the new pledges that are now pouring in - their management structure and plans look really professional.

 

Birch has overturned the points penalty and the FL have apologised.

 

The fresh feel-good factor meant a sell out for the home win over Oldham but despite all the optimism, Appy is still reluctant to spend money and has been using youth team members instead of mercenaries, a policy that has been rewarded as many of them look really promising and a credit to the academy that is the envy of many top European clubs.

 

And a local plumber has identified the source of fat and fixed it for £80 + vat.

He still awaits payment....but they have 30 days, and the recent U-turn in policy and the refreshing winds of change blowing through the club would suggest that he will get paid earlier than that.

 

 

Many of us are quite jealous but refuse to admit it.

We had to put up with a boring game yesterday AND I washed my hands at half time and they felt a bit fatty afterwards.

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Appleton is talking b*ll*cks, imo.

 

If those players dont sign a renewal, they are free agents.

 

Unless, of course, they have some clause that PFC must formally say it is over after the month otherwise it is automatically renewed, which means imo Birchy has been lying about them being one-month contracts

 

They already kicked one out (his name was Doolally or something!) and he said at the time he was looking for another club so that does not tie in with Mr Appy's comments !!

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Neil Allen ‏@pn_neil_allen

 

Hearing Portpin want to charge #Pompey Trust £1m+ a year to rent Fratton Park. Property developer option would cost 8th or 9th of that.

 

More scurrilous reporting from Pompey's chief spin doctor.

 

The only plans and submittals in are for either Portpin to own and run the club, or for The Pompey Trust to buy the club and run it. There is no proposal for Portpin to lease the club back to the Trust, Chainrai has said he doesn't want to do that (not that his word is anything to go by, of course).

 

Just more of a media witch-hunt from Neil Allen I feel, to drive the anti-Chainrai brigade closer to fever pitch.

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From my reading of the rules, I think the DFCSBs have pulled another quite impressive piece of loop-hole negotiation.

 

As far as I can tell, the FL rules would not allow the players to sign for other clubs after the one-month elapses.

 

At that point it will be after the transfer deadline, and the players were not free agents at the point the transfer deadline expired, so therefore don't qualify as free agents.

 

Stand to be corrected on this! Either way, it's a pretty shameful attempt to leave the players with their hands tied.

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From my reading of the rules, I think the DFCSBs have pulled another quite impressive piece of loop-hole negotiation.

 

As far as I can tell, the FL rules would not allow the players to sign for other clubs after the one-month elapses.

 

At that point it will be after the transfer deadline, and the players were not free agents at the point the transfer deadline expired, so therefore don't qualify as free agents.

 

Stand to be corrected on this! Either way, it's a pretty shameful attempt to leave the players with their hands tied.

 

Would like to see the FL reg's that lead you to that conclusion.`

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I see their match on Tuesday is live on Sky Sports, will be good to see the 'bestest' in action.

 

Hope there are no empty seats or booing... :lol:

 

Bound to be, they think it is a nothing competition, below their standing in the football world, or so they said two years ago.

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Would like to see the FL reg's that lead you to that conclusion.`

 

59.2 A Club may only register a Player in accordance with Regulation 59.1 (subject to the provisions of Regulation 41.5) during a Closed Period if he is an Unemployed Player.

 

i.e. you can sign players outside the transfer window if they are "Unemployed Player(s)". So what is an Unemployed Player?

 

41.6.3 'Unemployed Player' shall mean any Player who: (a) has not at any time been registered with:

(i) a Member Club;

(ii) a club that is participating in The Football Conference (National Division) or The Premier League; and/or

(iii) any other association football club in a country other than England,

or

(b) if he has been registered with any of the clubs listed in paragraph (a) above, his registration has expired at any time prior to the end of a Transfer Window and he has not since been registered with any such club.

 

- "not at any time been registered" would seem to exclude option (a)

- for (b), "expired at any time prior to the end of a Transfer Window" would not apply as the non-contract registration will have expired after the Transfer Window shut

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From my reading of the rules, I think the DFCSBs have pulled another quite impressive piece of loop-hole negotiation.

 

As far as I can tell, the FL rules would not allow the players to sign for other clubs after the one-month elapses.

 

At that point it will be after the transfer deadline, and the players were not free agents at the point the transfer deadline expired, so therefore don't qualify as free agents.

 

Stand to be corrected on this! Either way, it's a pretty shameful attempt to leave the players with their hands tied.

 

Is that not why they were allowed to join on a 'non contract' basis !!

I know that it is a bit of a nonsense but that is what the Skates said at the time and if this is correct then the players were free agents at the point of the transfer deadline !

Surely if Pompey are able to dump the players then they have a right to employmant elsewhere ??

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