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The Property agents advising the receivers of Miland 2004 are expecting ( have been told maybe?) PKF to put PFC into liquidation next week as neither bid has any real chance of progressing.

 

One week to go guys, 7 days and counting, tick tock....

 

Can someone provide a little more info on this post? Sounds very interesting. The next exciting instalment?!

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I might be wrong but I thought Swansea were a fan owned club? It was certainly a group of fans that did the massive amount of work involved in saving them from their previous nightmare of an owner.

 

If so, surely they're the biggest (or did they say in England rather then the FL?).

 

Someone correct me if I'm wrong

 

You were quite correct. The phrase used was 'unprecedented in the UK'.

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If the Trust takes over, in terms of average attendance, they will be the biggest club to do this. I worry that the 1700 bandied about on here as Trust Contributors might have grown a bit over the last few weeks as Allen and his Cronies have influenced local opinion. Hope I'm wrong. If the Trust take over and succeed in resurrecting this disgrace of a club from it's near death experience I will be mightily ****ed off. Liquidation, Chinny or a fresh start like Newport County. Any of those.

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So what the Trust mean is 'we are the biggest of all the Trusts that aren't bigger', Yes?

 

Indeed.

 

In the same way as they are also the best - off all the clubs that aren't better - and the loudest - of all the clubs that aren't louder - and the most financially secure - of all the clubs that aren't more financially secure - the list goes on....

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But Maskell only anticipates a future for the Skates based on the Trust taking over the reins in conjunction with people suddenly interested in the club because they are property developers.

But on the basis that, according to Maskell:

 

This makes a watertight deal with a property developer as partner an attractive one, as long as it retains the club’s ownership of Fratton Park in the long term.

 

I don't see a long queue of property developers looking for a chance to be involved in a scheme which doesn't have any, er, property development.

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If the Trust takes over, in terms of average attendance, they will be the biggest club to do this. I worry that the 1700 bandied about on here as Trust Contributors might have grown a bit over the last few weeks as Allen and his Cronies have influenced local opinion. Hope I'm wrong. If the Trust take over and succeed in resurrecting this disgrace of a club from it's near death experience I will be mightily ****ed off. Liquidation, Chinny or a fresh start like Newport County. Any of those.

 

Not that it really mattters, but I think swansea's attendances were abut the same as PFC's in the champinship, and presumably are higher now they are in the PL, so no even that claim is not correct.

 

The trust definitely had 1670 pledges when they submitted their formal bid. The figure may well have risen since then, but their p.r. has always over-hyped the numbers. They were saying 'just under 2000' weeks before the 1670 became public for example. So their claims that many more have signed up recently probably mean they are still around 2000 maximum IMO, or they'd be saying "well over £2 million pledged" instead of claiming merely the £2 million.

 

In any event, fair play to those c 2000, but as a figure for such a "big club", it is not very impressive.

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Our old deluded skate friend speaks out on POL

 

I used to post on there quite a bit and it was actually a really good site. There were quite a few Pompey on there and the banter was pretty good. There's a few guys I know from those days who have kept in touch and are pretty good friends. I have other scummer mates too through work who, again, enjoy a bit of banter and we enjoy the rivalry. Speaking as I find, although I've never met Steve Grant we did exchange a few PM's and he always came across as a decent bloke (everyone has their own opinion). But the mood on the board really changed when they were relegated and the impression I got was that it just f.cked their heads up that they weren't a top flight club and we were. The cup win seemed to be a big turning point for them along with the media's constant talk about our fans. That really riles them (witness their constantly describing us as the "bestest fans"). I may be wrong but I've only ever seen about two mentions of their fans in the media and one of those was about how jester hat wearing friendly they were when they lost the cup final to Arsenal. After we won the cup most of them kept on about how we were "lucky" and only won because we only played lower league clubs (hello Man U). I thought that was called the luck of the draw but apparently not. That changed over time to the "cheats" thing. I had a look at their famous OCD conspiracy thread this morning and noticed about 6 posts from this morning referring to us being liquidated which should wipe off the cup win (any amateur psychologists out there care to comment on that?). They've constantly bigged themselves up about their knowledge of our situation and they have got some things right - but what they forget is that they propose about 500 wrong or blatantly idiotic theories for every right one. Let's face it, over the course of 1500 pages you'd have to be a monkey with a typewriter NOT to get a few things right. But they told me repeatedly that Lampitt was a FL plant to make sure that "the truth" (maybe that should read "THE TRUTH!!!!!!!!") didn't come out. That the "conspiracy" to keep us going reached to the highest levels of the world game because people in power at UEFA and FIFA were involved in backhanders to allow us to "get away" with it and on and on ad nauseum.

 

I kept posting on there to try and provide at least some balance (posting pieces from David Conn and others to show to disprove some of their "facts") but it was just a waste of time. Eventually someone posted my name on there (which wasn't a big deal, quite a few of them know who I am anyway) but then my Linkedin profile was posted and the final straw came when some **** obviously Googled my name and came up with a birthday message from The News and posted what he thought were my wife and kids names on there. Luckily it wasn't me, just someone with the same name but it persuaded me that enough was enough and I bowed out.

 

There's an awful lot of dicks on there. One of their more sensible fans posted on there that many of them had more posts on the thread about us than they do on their main board (what's THAT all about?) but, don't forget they have a lot of decent fans too and the obsessed scum gimps who are posting/ lurking on here are a pretty small percentage.

 

But the ones on THAT thread? LMFAO. What a bunch of obsessed ******* losers. And I know you're reading this already Girls and will be reporting back avidly.

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Putting things really simply. If Pompey fans buy their club out of administration, why didn't Saints fans look to do the same when their club was in administration? Didn't that generous Swiss bloke buy you out of it at the very last minute, coming from nowhere? I'm not supprised that a few thousand of you turn out annually to celebrate him! But for me the big question is why were saints fans prepared to let their debt ridden club die? I cannot fathom it? For all the ill's of football and Pompey is one of the sickest puppies, how could a true fan let it die? It's like family, you cant turn your back on it. Of course I realise clearly Saints fans see things differently, but I don't understand why? I wouldn't want to be in the metaphorical trenches with any gutless types with the prevailing attitude to your own displayed on here.

 

Swansea is 20% fans owned and are a fantastic admirable club, Exeter are fan owned and I admire them greatly. Pompey are in administration, on life support. The fans will not pull the plug on their club. Hopefully we can emulate a few of the clubs who are still left to be admired. You lot got into debt, did nothing about out and but for the inexplicable grace of a poorly man who wanted a last minute play thing, would not even be here.

 

Pompey fans are looking to pay off debts with OUR OWN MONEY, WHO paid off your debts after your mad scramble spending money you didnt have to get back into the Premiership at the first time of asking? ANY of you lot? ........Didn't think so, so stop taking the moral highground by proxy, Marcus Liebherr has my respect, Saints fans who stood around pathetically watching their club die with their hands in their pockets sure dont. "This is why the country goes to war out of Portsmouth", as our late, great manager Bally once said.

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It's just PR Jamie, he's a Saints fan.

 

I have met him, it was a long time ago, maybe 2001, he told me he was a saints fan but rangers were his 2nd team. We took the **** for a bit as I like Celtic but then talked about saints. If he says he is not a saints fan now, he is lying.

 

Wade Elliot is also a saints fan, went to school with him and used to go to the dell with him. Both similar ages, both from Eastleigh, both saints fans.

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This raises the question of whether Birch would be allowing such signings, even for a month , if he were really about to liquidate.

 

Your crediting hims with a sense of propriety which he has already demonstrated he lacks in abundance, somehting happens to people when they get involved in that club!

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I'm really proud of the fans efforts to save Portsmouth. If we can pull it off (and I say 'we' loosely as apart from chucking in 1k, I have done very little) it will be amazing.

 

Congratulations on putting your money where you mouth is. I was going to comment at more length but everything has already been pointed out. It's the nature of the efforts, not their existance, that we've been commenting on here. If you can't pull it off - and that includes failure within the Pompey biennial administration cycle - will there be any impetus for an "AFC" approach.

 

If it were me I wouldn't want my 1k paying off past debts - many of dubious provenance; I'd want it as an investment in the future. At the moment it's just throwing good money after bad, or in gambling terms, chasing your losses.

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No move for fans to buy Saints was made because we were told that Pinnacle led by MLT was a serious buyer, who was going to try and oppose Tiss? In fact it turned out he was taken for a mug but another was waiting ...we were a good investment, can't say the same about poor Pompey

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Putting things really simply. If Pompey fans buy their club out of administration, why didn't Saints fans look to do the same when their club was in administration? Didn't that generous Swiss bloke buy you out of it at the very last minute, coming from nowhere? I'm not supprised that a few thousand of you turn out annually to celebrate him! But for me the big question is why were saints fans prepared to let their debt ridden club die? I cannot fathom it? For all the ill's of football and Pompey is one of the sickest puppies, how could a true fan let it die? It's like family, you cant turn your back on it. Of course I realise clearly Saints fans see things differently, but I don't understand why? I wouldn't want to be in the metaphorical trenches with any gutless types with the prevailing attitude to your own displayed on here.

 

Brilliant PES, apart from one small detail. As soon as we went into admin, there were a large number, 30+ interested parties. Of those there were three that wanted to go the whole way and buy the club. These three, including markus, and the mad bloke who lived with his mum in Harrow had put together full proposals before any fans had a chance to buy the club. This was because we had some infrastructure that was worth something.

 

To enable us to come out of admin without a CVA, we needed to do a deal with those we owed money to. This was a number a bit smaller than the 75 pages of creditors you shafted, and did not include HMRC or other football clubs. However, it did mean Barclays and Aviva. From very early on, the administrator made it clear that the club would be taken over, and as a result the fans did not need to devise a plan to start again in the Wessex League.

 

In the end, we probably did come close to going out of business, but this was down to the poor judgement of the administrator, rather than the fact that noone wanted ther club. He chose an undefunded Walter Mitty as preferred bidder, as opposed to a Swiss based Billionaire.

 

If for a minute we had thought that the club would not be bought, we would have tried to raise the cash. In fact the fund raising had bearly started when Liebherr took over.

 

We were lucky to attract who we did, but we did attract buyers because we were not the financial basket case you lot were and are.

 

Best of luck with your failing bid, giving all the money to Chinny to rent back the dump is going to hurt a lot.

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No move for fans to buy Saints was made because we were told that Pinnacle led by MLT was a serious buyer, who was going to try and oppose Tiss? In fact it turned out he was taken for a mug but another was waiting ...we were a good investment, can't say the same about poor Pompey

 

Yep, big catchment area, great youth set-up, great stadium. Pity the radio station and the catering the envy of the Premiership was already gone, but WTF we were still a good investment.

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Brilliant PES, apart from one small detail. As soon as we went into admin, there were a large number, 30+ interested parties. Of those there were three that wanted to go the whole way and buy the club. These three, including markus, and the mad bloke who lived with his mum in Harrow had put together full proposals before any fans had a chance to buy the club. This was because we had some infrastructure that was worth something.

 

To enable us to come out of admin without a CVA, we needed to do a deal with those we owed money to. This was a number a bit smaller than the 75 pages of creditors you shafted, and did not include HMRC or other football clubs. However, it did mean Barclays and Aviva. From very early on, the administrator made it clear that the club would be taken over, and as a result the fans did not need to devise a plan to start again in the Wessex League.

 

In the end, we probably did come close to going out of business, but this was down to the poor judgement of the administrator, rather than the fact that noone wanted ther club. He chose an undefunded Walter Mitty as preferred bidder, as opposed to a Swiss based Billionaire.

 

If for a minute we had thought that the club would not be bought, we would have tried to raise the cash. In fact the fund raising had bearly started when Liebherr took over.

 

We were lucky to attract who we did, but we did attract buyers because we were not the financial basket case you lot were and are.

 

Best of luck with your failing bid, giving all the money to Chinny to rent back the dump is going to hurt a lot.

 

Superb.

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Putting things really simply. If Pompey fans buy their club out of administration, why didn't Saints fans look to do the same when their club was in administration? Didn't that generous Swiss bloke buy you out of it at the very last minute, coming from nowhere? I'm not supprised that a few thousand of you turn out annually to celebrate him! But for me the big question is why were saints fans prepared to let their debt ridden club die? I cannot fathom it? For all the ill's of football and Pompey is one of the sickest puppies, how could a true fan let it die? It's like family, you cant turn your back on it. Of course I realise clearly Saints fans see things differently, but I don't understand why? I wouldn't want to be in the metaphorical trenches with any gutless types with the prevailing attitude to your own displayed on here.

 

Swansea is 20% fans owned and are a fantastic admirable club, Exeter are fan owned and I admire them greatly. Pompey are in administration, on life support. The fans will not pull the plug on their club. Hopefully we can emulate a few of the clubs who are still left to be admired. You lot got into debt, did nothing about out and but for the inexplicable grace of a poorly man who wanted a last minute play thing, would not even be here.

 

Pompey fans are looking to pay off debts with OUR OWN MONEY, WHO paid off your debts after your mad scramble spending money you didnt have to get back into the Premiership at the first time of asking? ANY of you lot? ........Didn't think so, so stop taking the moral highground by proxy, Marcus Liebherr has my respect, Saints fans who stood around pathetically watching their club die with their hands in their pockets sure dont. "This is why the country goes to war out of Portsmouth", as our late, great manager Bally once said.

 

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That's another thing we have to counter constantly: the idea that two different things called "administration" were anything like the same beyond the name. My (and others') notional thousand pounds would have actually made a difference, Aviva were prepared to take a small hit on the mortgage (they'd already made on the deal) and there was considerable asset backing. How many times to we have to point out these differences?

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Putting things really simply. If Pompey fans buy their club out of administration, why didn't Saints fans look to do the same when their club was in administration? Didn't that generous Swiss bloke buy you out of it at the very last minute, coming from nowhere? I'm not supprised that a few thousand of you turn out annually to celebrate him! But for me the big question is why were saints fans prepared to let their debt ridden club die? I cannot fathom it? For all the ill's of football and Pompey is one of the sickest puppies, how could a true fan let it die? It's like family, you cant turn your back on it. Of course I realise clearly Saints fans see things differently, but I don't understand why? I wouldn't want to be in the metaphorical trenches with any gutless types with the prevailing attitude to your own displayed on here.

 

Brilliant PES, apart from one small detail. As soon as we went into admin, there were a large number, 30+ interested parties. Of those there were three that wanted to go the whole way and buy the club. These three, including markus, and the mad bloke who lived with his mum in Harrow had put together full proposals before any fans had a chance to buy the club. This was because we had some infrastructure that was worth something.

 

To enable us to come out of admin without a CVA, we needed to do a deal with those we owed money to. This was a number a bit smaller than the 75 pages of creditors you shafted, and did not include HMRC or other football clubs. However, it did mean Barclays and Aviva. From very early on, the administrator made it clear that the club would be taken over, and as a result the fans did not need to devise a plan to start again in the Wessex League.

 

In the end, we probably did come close to going out of business, but this was down to the poor judgement of the administrator, rather than the fact that noone wanted ther club. He chose an undefunded Walter Mitty as preferred bidder, as opposed to a Swiss based Billionaire.

 

If for a minute we had thought that the club would not be bought, we would have tried to raise the cash. In fact the fund raising had bearly started when Liebherr took over.

 

We were lucky to attract who we did, but we did attract buyers because we were not the financial basket case you lot were and are.

 

Best of luck with your failing bid, giving all the money to Chinny to rent back the dump is going to hurt a lot.

 

Don't you just love the sound of a sweetly struck six being hit high-and-handsome straight back over the bowler's head and way beyond the pavilion.

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PES - if it wasn't for the Parachute payments the Pompey life support machine would have been switched off months and months ago and the trust would never have had time to think about a plan let alone put together a bid. Pompey have been extremely lucky to be in the first wave of relegated clubs getting the improved 4-year parachute payments. If your collapse had come a year or two earlier you'd currently be following AFC Pompey in non-league.

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Putting things really simply. If Pompey fans buy their club out of administration, why didn't Saints fans look to do the same when their club was in administration? Didn't that generous Swiss bloke buy you out of it at the very last minute, coming from nowhere? I'm not supprised that a few thousand of you turn out annually to celebrate him! But for me the big question is why were saints fans prepared to let their debt ridden club die? I cannot fathom it? For all the ill's of football and Pompey is one of the sickest puppies, how could a true fan let it die? It's like family, you cant turn your back on it. Of course I realise clearly Saints fans see things differently, but I don't understand why? I wouldn't want to be in the metaphorical trenches with any gutless types with the prevailing attitude to your own displayed on here.

 

Swansea is 20% fans owned and are a fantastic admirable club, Exeter are fan owned and I admire them greatly. Pompey are in administration, on life support. The fans will not pull the plug on their club. Hopefully we can emulate a few of the clubs who are still left to be admired. You lot got into debt, did nothing about out and but for the inexplicable grace of a poorly man who wanted a last minute play thing, would not even be here.

 

Pompey fans are looking to pay off debts with OUR OWN MONEY, WHO paid off your debts after your mad scramble spending money you didnt have to get back into the Premiership at the first time of asking? ANY of you lot? ........Didn't think so, so stop taking the moral highground by proxy, Marcus Liebherr has my respect, Saints fans who stood around pathetically watching their club die with their hands in their pockets sure dont. "This is why the country goes to war out of Portsmouth", as our late, great manager Bally once said.

 

The SOS group received over £1m in pledges but was always a back up. However despite the blue chip Liebherr bid, for some reason despite using borrowed deposit money the Pinnacle bid was given preferred status. A lot of time was lost but SFC continued to trade out of administration with contributions from Leon Crouch, then by selling players. Thankfully in the end the Pinnacle bid collapsed, immediately Markus Liebherr and Nicola Cortese stepped in and bought the club. The SOS group had met with club directors, politicians and councillors who had indicated the possibility and short time scale needed for the City Council to buy St Mary's. The Pinnacle bid used up so much time that it is unlikely that a rescue could have been completed. Owning Staplewood, the 41 acre Jackson's Farm at Hedge End, a stadium that Aviva had placed a £7m asking price on with about £2m other debts and a solvent football club was an attractive proposition.

 

In the event the approx £14m to buy the assets and pay off all the debts of SLH was a good deal. The football club avoided going into administration and so continued to trade and paid it's debts. Any guesses what it is worth now? This year the total outlay together with the further investment by Markus Liebherr amounting to £33m was converted into equity making the club debt free.

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PES - if it wasn't for the Parachute payments the Pompey life support machine would have been switched off months and months ago and the trust would never have had time to think about a plan let alone put together a bid. Pompey have been extremely lucky to be in the first wave of relegated clubs getting the improved 4-year parachute payments. If your collapse had come a year or two earlier you'd currently be following AFC Pompey in non-league.

 

Not forgetting they've had two administrations in two years which has given them plenty of practice.

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Putting things really simply. If Pompey fans buy their club out of administration, why didn't Saints fans look to do the same when their club was in administration?

 

Putting the reply really simply, (so that you will be able to understand it) there was debate about fans forming a trust to buy the club if the worst came to the worst. But whilst we were in administration, there was activity mooted by various interested parties to buy us. We had Walter Mitty characters, as have you, but then again, we had hints of serious buyers being interested, unlike you. Strange as it might seem to you, we were a very good business proposition with our stadium, academy, training ground, Jackson's Farm etc. Unfortunately your club isn't. Do you see the difference?

 

Didn't that generous Swiss bloke buy you out of it at the very last minute, coming from nowhere? I'm not supprised that a few thousand of you turn out annually to celebrate him! But for me the big question is why were saints fans prepared to let their debt ridden club die? I cannot fathom it? For all the ill's of football and Pompey is one of the sickest puppies, how could a true fan let it die? It's like family, you cant turn your back on it. Of course I realise clearly Saints fans see things differently, but I don't understand why? I wouldn't want to be in the metaphorical trenches with any gutless types with the prevailing attitude to your own displayed on here.

Yes, ML seemed to come out the blue, 11th hour. But he had made enquiries earlier and his takeover had been delayed by Fry wasting time on the Pinnacle bid. But most of us were still confident that had not ML taken us over, somebody else would have stepped in. I repeat; we were a saleable commodity. You lot aren't, you're a basket case, where the only alternatives are a Hong Kong loan shark, or the Keystone Cop outfit that is your Trust - or maybe the Trust in conjunction with property developers, a peculiar variation of the species apparently, one only interested in what is good for the club, rather than what they can get out of it.

 

As for your absurd little rant about us being prepared to watch our club die, we dropped down to the third division and still maintained strong attendances. Personally, I would have still attended and supported the club had we been liquidated and started at the very foot of the pyramid. So don't try and paint us as gutless fair weather supporters.

 

Swansea is 20% fans owned and are a fantastic admirable club, Exeter are fan owned and I admire them greatly. Pompey are in administration, on life support. The fans will not pull the plug on their club. Hopefully we can emulate a few of the clubs who are still left to be admired. You lot got into debt, did nothing about out and but for the inexplicable grace of a poorly man who wanted a last minute play thing, would not even be here.

 

Perhaps Swansea and Exeter fans are willing to club together to run part or all of their clubs because they can see that their money invested in their clubs is well spent and achieves the ends they want. To that end, they have had a far better take-up than you Skates have managed. And I thought that you lot had the best fans in the land. Or could it be that your take-up of donations towards saving your club is lessened because some of the more intelligent Skates (an oxymoron, I know) realise that they might as well just chuck their money straight down the drain, that it would only be delaying the inevitable for a few more months anyway?

 

And were you aware that ML had health issues that meant that he only had a year or two to live? You are obviously better informed than me. I had no idea, until seeing pictures of him some time after his takeover where he appeared to look a bit jaundiced.

 

Pompey fans are looking to pay off debts with OUR OWN MONEY, WHO paid off your debts after your mad scramble spending money you didnt have to get back into the Premiership at the first time of asking? ANY of you lot? ........Didn't think so, so stop taking the moral highground by proxy, Marcus Liebherr has my respect, Saints fans who stood around pathetically watching their club die with their hands in their pockets sure dont. "This is why the country goes to war out of Portsmouth", as our late, great manager Bally once said.

 

It really is delicious, the irony of you preaching about the moral high ground at us. I don't recall us owing a penny to local charities, the tax man, or local businesses.

 

As for standing around with our hands in our pockets, we had bucket collections, organised marches in protest against Lowe and Wilde and also some with the highest principles boycotted the club until they were gone. So don't talk to us about morality. Many of us realised that ultimately a boycott would force the club over the brink and that although administration was a gamble, the likelihood would be that somebody else would take us over and rid us of Lowe, Wilde, Askham, Richards, and all the other dross attached to us. I suspect that there is an element of your fan base that is currently boycotting you until the likes of Chainrai is gone. That might account for your falling attendances, but I don't see you or anybody else mentioning it as an effective weapon to bring about change, a reason to claim that you lot have principles. And although you wring your hands and cry crocodile tears about the succession of crooks who owned you, I don't recall any protests against them. So who's gutless? But then, if you had principles, you lot would not have countenanced charities being defrauded and you would have deemed it a priority to make that right.

 

And Ball, who was also a player for us and a good manager here too, got it a bit wrong. The majority of soldiers who left to fight in the Second World War, went out from Southampton.

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Putting things really simply.

 

Administration isn't a simple matter, this may be why we joke about the Trust bid, even if it is well intended.

 

If Pompey fans buy their club out of administration, why didn't Saints fans look to do the same when their club was in administration?

 

The club was not in administration, it was only the parent company hence the administrator beating his chest on the legal injustice failing to recognise a members club could impose sanctions as the see fit.

 

Didn't that generous Swiss bloke buy you out of it at the very last minute, coming from nowhere?

 

Incorrect, he was in the race but the administrator was taken in by the MLT fronted consortium.

 

I'm not supprised that a few thousand of you turn out annually to celebrate him! But for me the big question is why were saints fans prepared to let their debt ridden club die? I cannot fathom it? For all the ill's of football and Pompey is one of the sickest puppies, how could a true fan let it die? It's like family, you cant turn your back on it. Of course I realise clearly Saints fans see things differently, but I don't understand why?

 

From the time the parent company were known to be in trouble, only a few months passed to when administration finally arrived, and when it did the administrator acknowledged 30+ interested parties. Not quite the scenario were a fans bid would be successful.

 

I wouldn't want to be in the metaphorical trenches with any gutless types with the prevailing attitude to your own displayed on here.

 

:rolleyes:

 

Swansea is 20% fans owned and are a fantastic admirable club, Exeter are fan owned and I admire them greatly. Pompey are in administration, on life support. The fans will not pull the plug on their club. Hopefully we can emulate a few of the clubs who are still left to be admired.

 

Well if you want to be admired, start from scratch, build a decent club from the bottom, the way AFC Wimbledon and FCUM have rather than trying to cling on to something that gives you a head start to try and make it easier. Where is this fighting in the trench attitude suddenly disappeared to?

 

You lot got into debt, did nothing about out.

 

The debt was being paid back, Barclays cut the overdraft, Lowe was performing his financial obligations until that point. The way he didn't wasn't nice but at least the effort was there with selling the high earners, loaning those players unable to sell and a high proportion of the youth team became the first team. When it went t!ts up there were further player sales in the summer, fan funding and High Net Individuals also contributed to keeping SFC going.

 

but for the inexplicable grace of a poorly man who wanted a last minute play thing, would not even be here.

 

As said before it wasn't last minute and he saw some value in SFC which has been realised, as he has turned his loan to equity and the value of the club exceeds what he has invested.

 

 

Pompey fans are looking to pay off debts with OUR OWN MONEY,

 

Which debts; CVA1, football related, CVA2, BC's secured debt, all of it?

 

WHO paid off your debts after your mad scramble spending money you didnt have to get back into the Premiership at the first time of asking? ANY of you lot? ........Didn't think so

 

See above, so don't assume anything, but you yourself admitted to not doing anything bar putting in your pledge to save PFC, so I shouldn't expect much fact finding or analysis here.

 

so stop taking the moral highground by proxy, Marcus Liebherr has my respect, Saints fans who stood around pathetically watching their club die with their hands in their pockets sure dont. "This is why the country goes to war out of Portsmouth", as our late, great manager Bally once said.

 

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It goes all the way back to Henry V setting out for the french campaign that finished at Agincourt.

 

Yeah, but my comment about the Exocets wasnt called for - sorry to any ex-navy types that knew deceased from Sheffield, Atlantic conveyor or Glamorgan. The skate tw*t just got to me with his hubris.

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Pompey fans are looking to pay off debts with OUR OWN MONEY, /QUOTE]

 

What a larf, your own money huh! the trust has encouraged most of these poor saps to take out loans, for the magical £1000. So as well as begging the local council for a LOAN , the basis of the pledges to run the trust are ummmm! LOANS. Now don't get me wrong, but isn't this the reason of your demise, borrowing money?

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is Ho rewriting history again?....and I thought he was outed as a retaliation for his own action...

And PES rewriting history too, bless! - a pattern is emerging.

 

 

I did chuckle at his claim that pompey fans are trying to pay off the debts.

Haven't see that claim anywhere before, I could have sworn that they are trying to write off the majority, pay a pittance and pretend nothing has happened - business as usual in portsmyth - just gloss over the facts.

 

 

 

If my team had suffered a downward swing of 70 league places against our bitter rivals in the time it takes Appy to barbecue 12 squirrels, I'd keep a low profile.

I certainly wouldn't be giving it large with arguments that a slightly backward six-year-old could dismiss.

 

Why will they not accept reality?

It must be that great wartime pompey spirit that saw the Canberra sail past the Round Tower en route to the Falklands. :?

 

 

 

 

Just admit that it's gone pear-shaped and win back some street cred - that's why Mack gets no respect for his grammar but plenty for his spirit - he can see the big picture, he understands - he just can't express it very well. :)

 

 

 

 

Bally - great player, unreliable historian.

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Depressed of Shirley, Wes Tender, rallyboy... good work chaps.

 

Simple, effective, and no doubt soon to be completely ignored by PES, Ho and co in search of their next 'come back'.

Ho did that whole piece because he knew someone would post it on here and his memory lives on Lol.

Some of what he says is true, we did not like playing 2nd fiddle to them, afterall we had been top dogs for 30 or more years and so it comes hard to see your neighbours doing well especially if you were in turmoil. I myself disliked the way they got to the position on the back of cheating. The FA cup etc can't be taken away but it would balance things if they suffered real football pain.

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that's why Mack gets no respect for his grammar but plenty for his spirit - he can see the big picture, he understands - he just can't express it very well. :)

 

There's just something I'm not sure of regarding Mack; is he really not that great when it comes to the grammatical aspects, or is he instead playing a blinder with a superb parody of a typical skate? As you say, he does get it, he understands the big picture and although he gets some stick from us, he takes it in good spirit and makes light of it. His sense of humour leads me to believe that he could indeed be playing to the gallery with a stereotypical parody of your average Skate fan, in which case I take my hat off to him. We have gone on their forums and pretended to be like that ourselves, so why shouldn't he do it on here as a way of gaining acceptance by us?

 

The end result though, is that you can feel sympathy for the likes of Mack for the downturn in his club's fortunes, but not for those Skates who somehow think that what we went through is somehow the same as what has brought them low.

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Putting things really simply. If Pompey fans buy their club out of administration, why didn't Saints fans look to do the same when their club was in administration? Didn't that generous Swiss bloke buy you out of it at the very last minute, coming from nowhere? I'm not supprised that a few thousand of you turn out annually to celebrate him! But for me the big question is why were saints fans prepared to let their debt ridden club die? I cannot fathom it? For all the ill's of football and Pompey is one of the sickest puppies, how could a true fan let it die? It's like family, you cant turn your back on it. Of course I realise clearly Saints fans see things differently, but I don't understand why? I wouldn't want to be in the metaphorical trenches with any gutless types with the prevailing attitude to your own displayed on here.

 

Brilliant PES, apart from one small detail. As soon as we went into admin, there were a large number, 30+ interested parties. Of those there were three that wanted to go the whole way and buy the club. These three, including markus, and the mad bloke who lived with his mum in Harrow had put together full proposals before any fans had a chance to buy the club. This was because we had some infrastructure that was worth something.

 

To enable us to come out of admin without a CVA, we needed to do a deal with those we owed money to. This was a number a bit smaller than the 75 pages of creditors you shafted, and did not include HMRC or other football clubs. However, it did mean Barclays and Aviva. From very early on, the administrator made it clear that the club would be taken over, and as a result the fans did not need to devise a plan to start again in the Wessex League.

 

In the end, we probably did come close to going out of business, but this was down to the poor judgement of the administrator, rather than the fact that noone wanted ther club. He chose an undefunded Walter Mitty as preferred bidder, as opposed to a Swiss based Billionaire.

 

If for a minute we had thought that the club would not be bought, we would have tried to raise the cash. In fact the fund raising had bearly started when Liebherr took over.

 

We were lucky to attract who we did, but we did attract buyers because we were not the financial basket case you lot were and are.

 

Best of luck with your failing bid, giving all the money to Chinny to rent back the dump is going to hurt a lot.

 

OI!! PES you thick nauseating ****, read this several times till you "get" it....then sod off because you are boring the s h i t e out of everyone with your crap

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The end result though, is that you can feel sympathy for the likes of Mack for the downturn in his club's fortunes, but not for those Skates who somehow think that what we went through is somehow the same as what has brought them low.

 

True, and I'm absolutely sure Mack is also having a bit of linguistic fun at our expense too, (speaking as an English as a Foreign Language teacher who has seen enough mangled language!). And who could blame him?

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There's just something I'm not sure of regarding Mack; is he really not that great when it comes to the grammatical aspects, or is he instead playing a blinder with a superb parody of a typical skate?.

 

Mack is indeed just playing the role of thick skate, all this poor grammer is something that's evolved in recent times. Back in the day (i think back in the saints web days) his spelling & wording was fine. As you say, he gets it, that doesn't happen to someone with the brain cells of a wet fish. I wish Mack posted on here more, he's great value, knows his stuff, isn't afraid to show up on here when things are going badly & mostly importantly doesn't take himself too seriously! I've mentioned it in Bearsys thread in site suggestions but I'll say here as well, I'd happily pay the fiver to make Mack a full member.

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