Jump to content

Recommended Posts

So the message to anyone who wants to spend money they don't have, and then spend some more, just keep spending, then when it all goes pop the PL will come and save the day.

 

Are their fans, as some were encouraging, still going to invade the pitch on Saturday, wonder how the authorities will deal with that?

 

Just like our government did with the banks !!

Link to post
Share on other sites
Storrie (see what I did there? ;-)) - broke on ESPN online yesterday, then the Mail picked it up.

 

Solent covered it in their reports this morning, saying that Scudamore's going to call all Prem clubs this weekend in an attempt to gain approval.

 

Not our Scudamore though...;-)

 

Actually...how about SWF's Scudamore rings round the teams before the real one?

 

Ah ok, so there may actually be nothing in this at all then - is this Storrie saying that Scudamore has agreed this or do we have a direct quote from him?

Link to post
Share on other sites

A special rule for Portsmouth - Previous owner and manager in court for tax evasion. Current chief executive in court for tax evasion. Entire club being sued for non payment of taxes, Manager in brothel scandal, More owners than home wins this seasons

= Bail out from the Premier league

 

What message does this send out to decent owners trying to run a proper business

It Stinks !!

Link to post
Share on other sites
A special rule for Portsmouth - Previous owner and manager in court for tax evasion. Current chief executive in court for tax evasion. Entire club being sued for non payment of taxes, Manager in brothel scandal, More owners than home wins this seasons

= Bail out from the Premier league

 

What message does this send out to decent owners trying to run a proper business

It Stinks !!

 

Indeed if this is an attempt to save the PL reputation clearly it just doesn't!

Link to post
Share on other sites
Sorry to be dim - have had a good look around and can't see any official source about the parachute payments - where is this all coming from?

 

I think it was a rumour started in the mirror but neither sky or the beeb are bothering to report it yet last i looked.

 

Supports the "story started by Storrie" theory IMO

Link to post
Share on other sites
I think it was a rumour started in the mirror but neither sky or the beeb are bothering to report it yet last i looked.

 

Supports the "story started by Storrie" theory IMO

 

Could be a ruse to flush out someone prepared to take them over...or at least so they can survive til the summer....then implode.

 

If that happens, expect their Youth Team next season. If they haven't already come to us....haha we could have the last laugh yet!! ;-)

Link to post
Share on other sites

Day 2 after the fire.

 

Still no factual ATTRIBUTABLE comment from any FAPL sources.

 

Think you're all falling into the "more people taken in by leaks from PCFC sources" category TBH.

 

The fact that there is again no comment tells us all we need to know.

 

They are a Norwegian Blue

Link to post
Share on other sites

Let's look at it logically - from what I remember, the Premier League requires a majority of 14:6 when voting on major decisions. Obviously Pompey won't be able to vote, whether that makes the quorum 13:6 or 14:5, I've no idea. For prudence, let's assume the lowest scenario.

 

Teams who Pompey have beaten this season:

Wolves

Wigan

Burnley

Liverpool

 

I think it's fair to say that none of these teams will be willing to help Pompey out. If they go under, each of these teams will benefit from their defeats being erased from the records, so they won't lose any points. 4 against the bailout

 

Teams that have beaten Pompey twice:

Fulham

Arsenal

Man City

Man United

 

It's fairly safe to say that Fulham, Manchester City and Arsenal will want Pompey to survive. For City and Arsenal, that is because Liverpool dropped three points against Pompey. For Fulham, while relegation is unlikely, Pompey's records being erased would bring them one point closer to the relegation zone (8 points clear instead of 9), and would take them further away from the Europa League qualifying places (11 points instead of 9). It's not quite so clear-cut for Manchester United - while they would lose ground on Chelsea to increase the gap to 4 points instead of 1, they would have a game in hand, and they would expect Chelsea to beat Pompey in their second game anyway. 3 in favour of the bailout, 1 undecided

 

Teams that have beaten Pompey in the only game they've played against them so far:

Birmingham

Bolton

Aston Villa

Everton

Tottenham

Blackburn

Stoke

Chelsea

 

Unlikely that any of these teams would want Pompey to go bust this season. They've got another game to play against them, and already have 3 points in the bag from the first meeting. 8 in favour of the bailout

 

The rest:

Sunderland

West Ham

Hull

 

West Ham collected 4 points from Pompey - they'll probably be quite happy with that at the moment. They'd drop from 14th to 18th, 3 points from safety, if those points were taken away.

 

Hull only picked up 1 point from the game at the KC Stadium - would they fancy their chances at Fratton Park?

 

Sunderland don't have that option, they conceded injury-time equalisers home and away and will expect other teams around them to pick up points against Pompey, With the records expunged, they'd increase the gap between them and the relegation zone from 3 to 4 points. 1 in favour of the bailout, 1 against, 1 undecided

 

So I make that 12 definitely in favour of the bailout, 5 definitely against it, and 2 undecided - I suspect Hull would lean slightly towards the "against" vote, which would be enough to veto it.

Link to post
Share on other sites

Nice to see that Caborn sees what we see...re: Premier only interested in them surviving until they get relegated..then -

 

Who cares?

 

The brand remains intact - as does the FA (Cup) after this weekend.

 

Seeing Mark Fry's comments regarding how surprised he is that they were granted the extra 7 days...do not underestimate the power of the FA.

 

Wonder what Wiseman thinks of all this?

Link to post
Share on other sites
Let's look at it logically - from what I remember, the Premier League requires a majority of 14:6 when voting on major decisions. Obviously Pompey won't be able to vote, whether that makes the quorum 13:6 or 14:5, I've no idea. For prudence, let's assume the lowest scenario.

 

Teams who Pompey have beaten this season:

Wolves

Wigan

Burnley

Liverpool

 

I think it's fair to say that none of these teams will be willing to help Pompey out. If they go under, each of these teams will benefit from their defeats being erased from the records, so they won't lose any points. 4 against the bailout

 

Teams that have beaten Pompey twice:

Fulham

Arsenal

Man City

Man United

 

It's fairly safe to say that Fulham, Manchester City and Arsenal will want Pompey to survive. For City and Arsenal, that is because Liverpool dropped three points against Pompey. For Fulham, while relegation is unlikely, Pompey's records being erased would bring them one point closer to the relegation zone (8 points clear instead of 9), and would take them further away from the Europa League qualifying places (11 points instead of 9). It's not quite so clear-cut for Manchester United - while they would lose ground on Chelsea to increase the gap to 4 points instead of 1, they would have a game in hand, and they would expect Chelsea to beat Pompey in their second game anyway. 3 in favour of the bailout, 1 undecided

 

Teams that have beaten Pompey in the only game they've played against them so far:

Birmingham

Bolton

Aston Villa

Everton

Tottenham

Blackburn

Stoke

Chelsea

 

Unlikely that any of these teams would want Pompey to go bust this season. They've got another game to play against them, and already have 3 points in the bag from the first meeting. 8 in favour of the bailout

 

The rest:

Sunderland

West Ham

Hull

 

West Ham collected 4 points from Pompey - they'll probably be quite happy with that at the moment. They'd drop from 14th to 18th, 3 points from safety, if those points were taken away.

 

Hull only picked up 1 point from the game at the KC Stadium - would they fancy their chances at Fratton Park?

 

Sunderland don't have that option, they conceded injury-time equalisers home and away and will expect other teams around them to pick up points against Pompey, With the records expunged, they'd increase the gap between them and the relegation zone from 3 to 4 points. 1 in favour of the bailout, 1 against, 1 undecided

 

So I make that 12 definitely in favour of the bailout, 5 definitely against it, and 2 undecided - I suspect Hull would lean slightly towards the "against" vote, which would be enough to veto it.

 

Thanks Steve,

 

I was hoping someone was gonna do a rundown cos I couldn't be bothered ;)

 

Pulis has apparently gone on record saying Pompey should be brought to account, or words to those degree

 

Besides this is if this rumour is true and that is looking unlikely currently

Link to post
Share on other sites
http://www.portsmouth.co.uk/sport/10-reasons-why-being-Pompey.6067322.jp

 

Copied from a thread on the main board, but nice to see they struggled to find 10 things.

 

Yeah, I read that as well - really feeble stuff. Given their inclusion of Lowe as a reason why it's better to be Pompey than Saints, I think we could come up with at least three chairmen and sundry hangers-on to include on a similar list from our point of view. And 'Arry deserves a place on our list just as much as he does on theirs - after all, he may have relegated us, but that's a mere bagatelle compared to what (in the long term) he did to them!

Link to post
Share on other sites
Yeah, I read that as well - really feeble stuff. Given their inclusion of Lowe as a reason why it's better to be Pompey than Saints, I think we could come up with at least three chairmen and sundry hangers-on to include on a similar list from our point of view. And 'Arry deserves a place on our list just as much as he does on theirs - after all, he may have relegated us, but that's a mere bagatelle compared to what (in the long term) he did to them!

 

Here's my choice,...Terry Venables (Mr £1). Hope this makes the top 10;)

Link to post
Share on other sites

It seems, that an awful lot of people, are getting their knickers in a twist, over a non-storrie. IMHO, I cannot see the PL doing this, as the fallout will be massive. I still stand by my thoughts, that Poopey will go out of buisness, on their return visit to the courts of Justice. The only way out, is a HUGE injection of cash, and that, I think we all agree, is unlikely. So chill pill chaps and chapesses, the stage is set, the players are all in the theatre, and the show will continue to play for the next week.

Link to post
Share on other sites
It seems, that an awful lot of people, are getting their knickers in a twist, over a non-storrie. IMHO, I cannot see the PL doing this, as the fallout will be massive. I still stand by my thoughts, that Poopey will go out of buisness, on their return visit to the courts of Justice. The only way out, is a HUGE injection of cash, and that, I think we all agree, is unlikely. So chill pill chaps and chapesses, the stage is set, the players are all in the theatre, and the show will continue to play for the next week.

 

Exactly what I was thinking.

Link to post
Share on other sites
Here's my choice,...Terry Venables (Mr £1). Hope this makes the top 10;)

 

I think I could come up with five owners, chairman and directors in the last 4 months that would beat Lowe.

 

Nice to see that they can take a pop at us for £4m on Rory Delap....a player who is still playing in the PL. Utaka anyone...and that's just for starters?

Link to post
Share on other sites
It seems, that an awful lot of people, are getting their knickers in a twist, over a non-storrie. IMHO, I cannot see the PL doing this, as the fallout will be massive. I still stand by my thoughts, that Poopey will go out of buisness, on their return visit to the courts of Justice. The only way out, is a HUGE injection of cash, and that, I think we all agree, is unlikely. So chill pill chaps and chapesses, the stage is set, the players are all in the theatre, and the show will continue to play for the next week.

 

Agreed.

Link to post
Share on other sites
A special rule for Portsmouth - Previous owner and manager in court for tax evasion. Current chief executive in court for tax evasion. Entire club being sued for non payment of taxes, Manager in brothel scandal, More owners than home wins this seasons

= Bail out from the Premier league

 

What message does this send out to decent owners trying to run a proper business

It Stinks !!

 

 

Having worked in London for many years and witnessed much of the same :smt119...... Your description above...

Sounds a similar scenario.. to how many of our big companies operate and likewise that crowd who work under that big clock tower next to the big bridge...:D

 

But your point is well made about how decent peeps percieve how these cretins get away

with it..:rolleyes:

Edited by ottery st mary
Link to post
Share on other sites

Spoke to two established skates this morning, i can not understand their thought paterns at all. The only thing they are grasping as to the saving grace of their club is the fan power. They think as well as many 1000s of others that because so many people will be effected if the club go OOB, that the courts and PL/FA will see them ok as to not p155 any supporters of. I got really annoyed at this point and left the room.

Link to post
Share on other sites
The only thing they are grasping as to the saving grace of their club is the fan power.

 

Fan power? What, the 14 or 15,000 that turned up for the vital 6 pointer against Sunderland?

 

The only saving grace is that the PL doesn't want a PL club to go bust, that's the only thing that'll save them, apart from some half-witted multi millionaire coming to the rescue who would've already come out of the woodwork if he/she existed.

Link to post
Share on other sites
Millions around the world would be effected, dont shout at me lol, their words not mine, mupets

 

Effected? Possibly. But not in a bad way. Lots of extra promotion spots up for grabs. I'm sure the fans of the clubs after these places wont be too gutted about it being at the skates' expense.

Link to post
Share on other sites
Spoke to two established skates this morning, i can not understand their thought paterns at all. The only thing they are grasping as to the saving grace of their club is the fan power. They think as well as many 1000s of others that because so many people will be effected if the club go OOB, that the courts and PL/FA will see them ok as to not p155 any supporters of. I got really annoyed at this point and left the room.

 

Not only are their thought processes obscure, but they clearly cannot read....

 

Justice Derrett

 

“I am obviously conscious that, by making a winding-up order, it would have very severe consequences not only for the company as a business but for the supporters, but that is not a consideration that I strictly take into account.”

Link to post
Share on other sites

The PL should've only lifted the transfer embargo for the purpose of Pompey to sell players only in order to pay some of their debts. It is totally unfair, especially on other PL teams, in and around the relegation spots that a clearly insolvent club is able to sign players.

 

Its a situation that stinks but then again not surprising that the PL and football in general is more or less courrupt.

Link to post
Share on other sites
The PL should've only lifted the transfer embargo for the purpose of Pompey to sell players only in order to pay some of their debts. It is totally unfair, especially on other PL teams, in and around the relegation spots that a clearly insolvent club is able to sign players.

 

Its a situation that stinks but then again not surprising that the PL and football in general is more or less courrupt.

 

I understand from teh Skates on here that they were allowed to sell under the terms of the embargo anyway

Link to post
Share on other sites
They've just signed another player they can't pay.

 

Vexing though this undoubtedly is, especially if he's able to play tomorrow, it can only harm them further in the medium term - ie the next couple of weeks. The judge has already said that she fears they are trading insolvently and that, if allowed to continue trading, they will simply accrue more debts which they can't then pay; their response - go out and increase their running costs! Unbelievable.

Link to post
Share on other sites

Basically for the PL to do that would mean all of the teams would have to agree to it right as would mean a change of the rules? I think the PL will have said something like they will put it to the vote but know it will be shot down. Only the teams owed money by them will agree to it. The teams fighting it down the bottom i.e 40% will say no.

 

Also i think Portsmouth asking for it in the 1st place pretty much prooves they have nobody lined up. They ask for it a day after the court case, if they had a guy coming in or the current owner was going to put his money in they would not need to do that right?

 

As each day goes by i think fans in general are becoming more and more angry at the way this has been dealt with and the way they seem to be given chance after chance. They have lost the "lets feel sorry for them" tag. Like today they have signed a defender. How can they pay him if they are insolvent? It stinks.

Link to post
Share on other sites

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,12875_5944834,00.html

 

Portsmouth have announced the signing of Serbian defender Dusko Tosic on a free transfer.....The 25-year-old has been awarded a work permit and he could go straight into the squad to tackle fierce rivals Southampton in the FA Cup this weekend if he receives international clearance in time.

 

How can this be allowed? Its a disgrace that they cant pay wages on time yet have been able to add extra on to it. I suppose not paying £2million a month costs the same as not paying £1.8 million but it shouldn't be allowed to happen.

Link to post
Share on other sites
http://www.portsmouth.co.uk/sport/10-reasons-why-being-Pompey.6067322.jp

 

Copied from a thread on the main board, but nice to see they struggled to find 10 things.

a short list of my own

 

1. Redcrap - charged with football corruption/tax evasion

2. Tells strories - charged with football corruption tax evasion

3. 64 `PFC supporters' - Guilty banned for football hooligansim after derby game

4. Bond - investigated for football coruption

5. Azougly - providing false evidence in court

6. Venables - Disqualified from acting as a director

7. Johnson - On the spot fine for stealing toilet seat

8. Quinn - Guilty of driving whilst banned and neglecting racehorses

9. Rix - Guilty of underage sex and indecent assault

10. PFCs real owner Gaydamak Sr - Guilty of illegal arms sales

oh and if you don't like any of them there is always Alan Biley's haircut. Criminal.

Link to post
Share on other sites
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,12875_5944834,00.html

 

Portsmouth have announced the signing of Serbian defender Dusko Tosic on a free transfer.....The 25-year-old has been awarded a work permit and he could go straight into the squad to tackle fierce rivals Southampton in the FA Cup this weekend if he receives international clearance in time.

 

How can this be allowed? Its a disgrace that they cant pay wages on time yet have been able to add extra on to it. I suppose not paying £2million a month costs the same as not paying £1.8 million but it shouldn't be allowed to happen.

 

Someone should explain to Mr. Tosic what being paid "monthly in arrears" really means at Pompey.

Link to post
Share on other sites

This really is a total mystery to me. I honestly don't know what the outcome is going to be. As long as we beat them, I don't really care either. I'd rather see them relegated, then relegated again and again and again rather than them going out of existence, however when I hear news that they have been allowed to sign another player it really does make me want them to disappear. I certainly wouldn't lose any sleep over it if they went bust.

Link to post
Share on other sites
It's almost as if Storrie wants them to go bust

 

In his first interview afte rthe case he quoted the lawyer from HMRC who said that they (pompey) have continued to increase thier expenditure (or words to that effect) and how he was wrong............ then storrie goes and.................... increases his expenditure. He is either very very stupid or he is tsicking two fingers up at HMRC - Brave man

Link to post
Share on other sites
×
×
  • Create New...

Important Information

View Terms of service (Terms of Use) and Privacy Policy (Privacy Policy) and Forum Guidelines ({Guidelines})