Jump to content

Recommended Posts

I think many fell into the trap that they felt they were dealing with a normal business and not football. The law don't want to liquidate a community club, and the owners seem to know it.

For many Pompey fans im happy, but in the main I detest that you have had glory times and trophies on the back of all taxpayers. Don't tell me British justice is the envy of the world Lol

 

British Justice is the best that money can buy.

Link to post
Share on other sites

FFS. They got the case fast-tracked as well, and were calling for a "sporting chance" yesterday.

 

What about all the f**king clubs relegated and kicked out of cup competitions by their cheating. Did they get a sporting chance ?

 

Complete f**king chav c**ts.

Link to post
Share on other sites

Disappointed but not surprised. There is a growing industry in the UK and US that exists to exploit the gap between the letter of the law and the spirit of the law. AA and the whole of the Skates senior management structure are just more of the same.

 

It will be interesting now, to see what Chanrai does, and how quickly he can run off with his share of the parachute money.

 

After that, there is the small issue of meeting the terms of the CVA -

 

- So far only £5M of the 15 required has been raised in transfers.

- The attendance and ST prediction was also ambitious

- Ben Haim has gone on loan to West Ham, who wanted him to take a pay cut, so I am sure the skates will be paying a share of his salary.

- Nugent and Utaka are still on the books, at £30k plus a week, with image rights on top!

 

On top of this, we may find out soon what the FL may have in store for them in terms of a transfer embargo and then there are other issues such as outstanding tax evasion charges, the unlicensed agent in the CVA, and anything else that is uncovered if the forensic accountants can finally get to work.

Link to post
Share on other sites
Deduct it from the £37m (HMRC's view) or from the £24m (AA's view)....?

 

It will obviously have to be deducted from the £24 million, as had the work-experience level judge accepted that the debt was £37, even an imbecile such as he would have had to have accepted that HMRC would have had enough votes to have overuled the CVA.

Link to post
Share on other sites

Football in this country are now bullet-proof with this judgment - and they will know it.

 

Stand by for more nonsense - especially from the Premier League.

 

A chance to start the clean-up has been missed.

 

I've already bought my Saints season ticket, but although its nothing to do with Saints I really feel that I cannot support this tower of sh*t that football has become with my money any more.

 

This may be my last season ticket.

Edited by Trader
Link to post
Share on other sites

Incredible.

 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/aug/05/hmrc-fail-block-portsmouth-administration

 

"HMRC is naturally disappointed not to have won this appeal and we can confirm that we do not intend to appeal."Our aim when pursuing debt of any kind is to achieve a fair outcome for the taxpayer and we will take this forward in the wider context of the football industry through separate and outstanding legal proceedings over the status of the so-called football creditors rule.

"This is an important and complex judgment and until we have had the opportunity to study it in detail we can't comment further."

Link to post
Share on other sites
I'm not calling the skates anymore just CHEATS now thread required I feel to spread the message. Would love to play them with all our fans calling them cheats, in fact I feel every club shoud do it.

 

sorry wrote that too fast I am really angery, new thread required to give them a new name; CHEATS

Link to post
Share on other sites

£230k costs is "70% of our costs" according to defence QC. I whispered 'offer them 20p in the £ over 5 years'.... HMRC going after the big one now - the football creditors rule. PL lawyer sat in court taking notes.

 

Perhaps hmrc think the first installment wi fail to materialise and then go back to court?

Link to post
Share on other sites

Irrespective of the outcome, the vast majority of right thinking people know this outcome is a sham. Publicly they have been dragged through the mud, PL accusing them of not being honest, negative national coverage of the case plus the fact the could not conjure up the balls to argue their case with any reasonable facts more on a begging bowl pleading crocodile tears don't liquidate us.

 

IMHO, more is yet to come out of this in relation to the pending court cases for those accused in other matters regarding that club. The Judge didn't have the balls to make the right decision , maybe a level of car parking fines punishment is more suited. Let them have their moment of victory, however, they may have won a battle but the struggle goes on and who knows what is around the corner with SG laying his rightful claim to the land surrounding the club, this may be disappointing now , but their future is not bright , they can bask in the knowledge that they cheated so many tax payers in the country when at a time when local services are being cut to the bone , schools budgets being reduced and hospitals laying off 600 people , I'm sure they take huge pleasure and satisfaction in their decisions to rip so many people off , if that brings them joy so be it, It's distasteful that they act in such a way and I am sure "The best fans" in the world will be just so proud of that record , if this was SFC as a fan for over 40years I wouldn't **** on them if they were on fire and feel ashamed that the club could act in such a way. Best of British to them, what comes around ..............

Link to post
Share on other sites
you're right, but on the other hand it should have ended a long time a go! As I said a few pages back, Pompey are an unflushable turd.

 

It should have ended in liquidation, but it didn't.

 

Thankfully we still have months of enjoyment to come but no doubt Nick will inform us all that they are going back up as champions.

Link to post
Share on other sites
Irrespective of the outcome, the vast majority of right thinking people know this outcome is a sham. Publicly they have been dragged through the mud, PL accusing them of not being honest, negative national coverage of the case plus the fact the could not conjure up the balls to argue their case with any reasonable facts more on a begging bowl pleading crocodile tears don't liquidate us.

 

IMHO, more is yet to come out of this in relation to the pending court cases for those accused in other matters regarding that club. The Judge didn't have the balls to make the right decision , maybe a level of car parking fines punishment is more suited. Let them have their moment of victory, however, they may have won a battle but the struggle goes on and who knows what is around the corner with SG laying his rightful claim to the land surrounding the club, this may be disappointing now , but their future is not bright , they can bask in the knowledge that they cheated so many tax payers in the country when at a time when local services are being cut to the bone , schools budgets being reduced and hospitals laying off 600 people , I'm sure they take huge pleasure and satisfaction in their decisions to rip so many people off , if that brings them joy so be it, It's distasteful that they act in such a way and I am sure "The best fans" in the world will be just so proud of that record , if this was SFC as a fan for over 40years I wouldn't **** on them if they were on fire and feel ashamed that the club could act in such a way. Best of British to them, what comes around ..............

 

Nah, it's the end of the game - they have got away with it - and have given all clubs wanting to go down that path a blueprint of how to get away with it.

 

A precedent has now been set and HMRC will not want to get their nose bloodied yet again.

 

As I said earlier, football is now bullet-proof and will now really go on the rampage.

Link to post
Share on other sites

maybe its a blessing that the skates won this case and are now regarded nationally as the cheats that got away with it. Better that than a liquidated club that is reborn (as AFC Wimbledon was) to be widely supported by the footballing community (as AFC Wimbledon is).

Link to post
Share on other sites
Exactly, this is one of the things I've thought all along, why do posters on this thread have so much faith in HMRC? Wouldn't put it past them at all to f**k up.

 

Said it all along, why were so many on here confident at the HMRC's legal ability? Not unlike a big, public, bureaucratic organisation to stuff up something like this. Hopefully we'll hear a bit less from the "experts" on here and fingers crossed for many more years of suffering for the blue few.

Edited by Sour Mash
Link to post
Share on other sites
maybe its a blessing that the skates won this case and are now regarded nationally as the cheats that got away with it. Better that than a liquidated club that is reborn (as AFC Wimbledon was) to be widely supported by the footballing community (as AFC Wimbledon is).

 

Kind of agree with that, they'd have loved being a "martyr" and becoming some sort of "peoples club", hopefully they'll now rot for years, rather than being able to rise from the ashes as a new "phoenix" type club.

Link to post
Share on other sites
Nah, it's the end of the game - they have got away with it - and have given all clubs wanting to go down that path a blueprint of how to get away with it.

 

A precedent has now been set and HMRC will not want to get their nose bloodied yet again.

 

As I said earlier, football is now bullet-proof and will now really go on the rampage.

 

This

Link to post
Share on other sites

Afraid thats It for this installment.

 

They won on a technicality and because of an incompetent HMRC brief..

 

But they will be regarded in a much less favourable light by the footballing world, and there is fun and games to go with servicing their CVA obligations and the Chanrai v Gaydamak scenario might be entertaining.

 

Lets move on and support our much more honourable club! I'm sure the next time we will meet them on the pitch we will thrash them anyway

Link to post
Share on other sites

Alpine is right , The judiciary are at fault and so weak willed. Play the victim card and you will always win.

lets see how much huntley gets as compensation. He should get the same QC on to his case the slimy cheats used.

 

So is it true I can screw the HMRC by having my image rights in an off shore account.

also what about the charity and the small caterer who is only getting 20p in the pound when these prima donna stars are going to get the full whack

Sol bloody campbell and co I hope yur all pleased with yourself how about donating your windful to charity.

Link to post
Share on other sites

So what is Chainrai going to do with it? OK there are some parachute payments left to come, but footballing debts of, what, £50m, no squad and a **** ground, still doesn't add up to much. The embargo is still in place until all footballing debts are paid off. In order to do that Chainrai will have to dig deep, which while he may loan the money to the company (no doubt with a decent interest rate), will he be prepared to do it? I still don't see why anyone would buy the club with it's secured debt, as well as the unsecured debt, as there is nothing to buy.

 

It will be interesting to see what Chainrai does. I suppose he can pay off all the debt, ship in lots of overpaid players (mercenary pieces of **** that they are) and get promoted. That would be galling but I really can't see that happening. Promotion from the Championship isn't that easy and there is no squad in place yet. Having been told that they were trading while insolvent months ago, I am not quite sure that I really understand how they have got to this position. I hope that the Tax Payers Alliance might have something to say about this.

Link to post
Share on other sites

****s. That's all there is to say.

 

watch them now go out of admin, start buying players and win promotion.

 

For all the utter ******** that they have done over the last few years, they have just been given help and support all the way. Sick

Link to post
Share on other sites
So... how likely is it that they will pay the PAYE and NI on the next month's wage bill? What's to stop them holiding up two fingers to HMRC? (again)

 

If they don't won't that break the CVA, meaning that HMRC can drag them back to court again?

Link to post
Share on other sites
If they don't won't that break the CVA, meaning that HMRC can drag them back to court again?

 

I'm not clear what happens regards regualr tax payments and other outgoings when a company is in administration. Presumably it gets difficult to obtain any form of credit, but if you don't pay you taxes what redress is there for HMRC?

Link to post
Share on other sites
****s. That's all there is to say.

 

watch them now go out of admin, start buying players and win promotion.

 

For all the utter ******** that they have done over the last few years, they have just been given help and support all the way. Sick

 

FFS. This DOES NOT mean the embargo is going to be lifted.

 

They still have to raise £15m from player sales to service the CVA.

Link to post
Share on other sites
Having been told that they were trading while insolvent months ago, I am not quite sure that I really understand how they have got to this position

 

That's the bit I'm not understanding either.

 

The case that was brought to the court by HMRC always had a fairly narrow remit in the general scheme of things. (i.e. Challenging the nitty gritty of the CVA) whereas the 'bigger picture' misdemeanour is surely the perceived wisdom that they were trading whilst insolvent? In other words, they were breaking the law of the land - pure and simple?

 

Which begs the question....who's responsibility is it to report this overriding 'crime'? The government? The office of fair trading? Company's House?

 

Or is it, if we (the general public) perceive it to be the case that we have perceived a corporate crime are we duty bound to pop down to the local nick to report said crime?

 

How does it work? How does a company that is perceived to be trading whilst insolvent get called to account?

 

Perhaps this trial has been a smokescreen for the 'real' misdemeanour ?

Link to post
Share on other sites
If they don't won't that break the CVA, meaning that HMRC can drag them back to court again?

 

I tell you if that QC for the HMRC had Hitler and all his cronies in the dock about war crimes, they would walk away with their reputations untouched.

So don't hold your breath for any future court appearances.

Let them get htier teeth into real wrongdoers, an old widowed lady who has filled her tax return in incorrectly for example.

Link to post
Share on other sites

I doubt this circus is done yet, we have the tax evasion cases to look forward to still.

 

The transfer embargo wont be lifted overnight either.

 

 

On a side note they showed this really ugly skate who looked like Wurzel Gummidge ( wearing his bad hat wearing head) playing the trumpet outside the courts on both SSN and Meridian Tonight - I nearly fell on the floor when I realised it was a female - Jeez TCWTB has some serious competition from the TTWTT - The Tranny with The Trumpet.

Link to post
Share on other sites
×
×
  • Create New...

Important Information

View Terms of service (Terms of Use) and Privacy Policy (Privacy Policy) and Forum Guidelines ({Guidelines})