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6 hours ago, View From The Top said:

I've just been reading an article where companies are closing down their UK based operations that deal with the EU and setting up offices in the Netherlands instead and that the advise to do so has come directly from the Dept For Trade.

That's jobs and livelihoods going.

And after a while you realise its not efficient to have two bases so close down the UK end and move wholesale. 

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12 hours ago, CB Fry said:

The vast majority of people under 45 voted remain in the first place. Its hardly the preserve of the "enlightened next generation". Just people that work, run businesses and pay tax. 

Innteresting the only thing you have to say is warmed up campaign speak.

21 days in and all you've got in your armoury is some imagined electoral battle against Nick Clegg all over again.

It is actually quite interesting how perceptions are shaped. The vast majority of under 25's voted to remain but only a small majority of the 25-49 year old segment voted to remain.

 

It is interesting how perceptions are shaped. The vast majority of under 25s voted to remain but only a small majority of 25-49 year olds voted to remain

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4 minutes ago, Sergei Gotsmanov said:

It is interesting how perceptions are shaped. The vast majority of under 25s voted to remain but only a small majority of 25-49 year olds voted to remain

The split for those 25-34 was 62-38 remain. Those 34 year old young whippersnappers.

So yeah, interesting how "perceptions are shaped", indeed.

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8 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

Because they did x x x 

Not according to yougov...

Turnout by age group in the graph below shows that about 42% of those under 35 voted to remain (62% of approx 68% turnout) - that's not an overwhelming majority....

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21 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

Not according to yougov...

Turnout by age group in the graph below shows that about 42% of those under 35 voted to remain (62% of approx 68% turnout) - that's not an overwhelming majority....

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Someone's been on Google. Funny really, I thought spaffing on about "well if you count the whole population then the majority didn't vote for Brexit at all"  was the preserve of sopping wet bad-loser remoaners? Very odd to see it employed here.

Vote's over mate.

You've won. 22 days in we get on with serious task of telling any haulage, fish, exporter or any other business impacted by the political decisions made that firms have been going bust for millennia and they just need to suck it the fuck up. That's right isn't it?

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12 hours ago, View From The Top said:

I don't think he quite understands how the demographic is changing and just how pro-Europe the younger generations are.

I understand perfectly, not only do I have 5 kids under 35 but I’ve heard this pony over and over again in relation to the Tory party. What I understand, that you appear not to, is that a lot  people’s politics change as they get older. If you think it’s just a question of waiting until the older leave voters die and then we’ll rejoin, then unfortunately you’re going to to extremely disappointed.  

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7 minutes ago, View From The Top said:

Simply put, if you were young or educated you voted Remain.

If you were old or uneducated you voted Leave.

The end.

These educated youngsters, were they taught by teacher like you? I just thank god that my children weren’t. 

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10 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

I understand perfectly, not only do I have 5 kids under 35 but I’ve heard this pony over and over again in relation to the Tory party. What I understand, that you appear not to, is that a lot  people’s politics change as they get older. If you think it’s just a question of waiting until the older leave voters die and then we’ll rejoin, then unfortunately you’re going to to extremely disappointed.  

I think you are wrong there, most old fuckers nowadays had their views on Europe shaped by the war, that won’t be the same for younger generations. Plus the world is getting ‘woker’ by the day, dinosaur opinions like yours will be long gone soon.

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18 minutes ago, aintforever said:

I think you are wrong there, most old fuckers nowadays had their views on Europe shaped by the war, that won’t be the same for younger generations. Plus the world is getting ‘woker’ By the day, dinosaur opinions like yours will be long gone soon.

Lol. What a load of pony.

Luckily, we have two referenda to refer to. One 30 odd years after the war and one 70 odd years after the war. I guess your argument is that the further we get from the war, the more our views are shaped by it, and that only the 30% of under 30’s that voted to leave in ‘75 survived, to vote us out in ‘16. Here’s a thought. Maybe a hell of a lot of the youngsters of ‘75 (the old fuckers today) voted to remain in ‘75 and leave in ‘16. Having seen us both out and in of the EU/EEC/Common market. These uneducated ignorant golf club bores were uniquely positioned to make an informed decision. You never know, when the next vote comes around, you’ll vote to stay out....

Todays Wokie is tomorrow’s Tory, if that wasnt the case the Torrow party would have ceased to exist a generation ago. 

 

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12 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Lol. What a load of pony.

Luckily, we have two referenda to refer to. One 30 odd years after the war and one 70 odd years after the war. I guess your argument is that the further we get from the war, the more our views are shaped by it, and that only the 30% of under 30’s that voted to leave in ‘75 survived, to vote us out in ‘16. Here’s a thought. Maybe a hell of a lot of the youngsters of ‘75 (the old fuckers today) voted to remain in ‘75 and leave in ‘16. Having seen us both out and in of the EU/EEC/Common market. These uneducated ignorant golf club bores were uniquely positioned to make an informed decision. You never know, when the next vote comes around, you’ll vote to stay out....

Todays Wokie is tomorrow’s Tory, if that wasnt the case the Torrow party would have ceased to exist a generation ago. 

 

As the world gets More woke. I read (from Andrew Neil) that no Labour leader born in the last 100 years (bar the hated Blair) has ever won a general election.

Again, bar the hated Blair, Labour have ever only won a working majority twice, and the last time was decades ago.

I guess that means the Tory’s are finished!!!

 

 

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7 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

As the world gets More woke. I read (from Andrew Neil) that no Labour leader born in the last 100 years (bar the hated Blair) has ever won a general election.

Again, bar the hated Blair, Labour have ever only won a working majority twice, and the last time was decades ago.

I guess that means the Tory’s are finished!!!

 

 

It's nothing to do with your red v blue bollocks, fact is the world my daughter is growing up in is massively more woke than my upbringing during the 1980s, and her children's will be more still.

At my school during the dark days of Thatcher, racism, sexism, xenophobia, homophobia were all accepted and normal. You don't have to go back too far and we were putting war heroes behind bars for being gay. I expect even your beloved Tory party is way more woke now than back in the 70's.

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26 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Lol. What a load of pony.

Luckily, we have two referenda to refer to. One 30 odd years after the war and one 70 odd years after the war. I guess your argument is that the further we get from the war, the more our views are shaped by it, and that only the 30% of under 30’s that voted to leave in ‘75 survived, to vote us out in ‘16. Here’s a thought. Maybe a hell of a lot of the youngsters of ‘75 (the old fuckers today) voted to remain in ‘75 and leave in ‘16. Having seen us both out and in of the EU/EEC/Common market. These uneducated ignorant golf club bores were uniquely positioned to make an informed decision. You never know, when the next vote comes around, you’ll vote to stay out....

Todays Wokie is tomorrow’s Tory, if that wasnt the case the Torrow party would have ceased to exist a generation ago. 

 

Big difference there is no one voted to leave the single market in 2016, as you Jihadis like to tell us - the EU is completely different now to back then.

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22 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

As the world gets More woke. I read (from Andrew Neil) that no Labour leader born in the last 100 years (bar the hated Blair) has ever won a general election.

Again, bar the hated Blair, Labour have ever only won a working majority twice, and the last time was decades ago.

I guess that means the Tory’s are finished!!!

 

 

That’s right.

I guess the Remoaners on here are so wedded to their ideology that it’s inconceivable to them that lived experiences change peoples politics. That young socialists become old Tories. In their world a young  remainer will always vote for The EU, that they’re “education” will ensure that they always vote the “right” way. It seems quite beyond them that uneducated people can have more intelligence than people with higher educational attainment (unless it’s tories of course, they’ve no problem with understanding the concept of the upper class Tory educated twit). My father in law left school at 14 with fuck all in terms of pieces of paper showing his intelligence. He ended up owning  restaurants & night clubs and was one of the smartest blokes I ever met. He died a millionaire, having owned a house overlooking Poole harbour. He voted leave, so clearly wasn’t as intelligent or knowledgable on the subject of EU membership as a 23 year old just out of a Poly with a degree in Film Studies. 

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24 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

That’s right.

I guess the Remoaners on here are so wedded to their ideology that it’s inconceivable to them that lived experiences change peoples politics. That young socialists become old Tories. In their world a young  remainer will always vote for The EU, that they’re “education” will ensure that they always vote the “right” way. It seems quite beyond them that uneducated people can have more intelligence than people with higher educational attainment (unless it’s tories of course, they’ve no problem with understanding the concept of the upper class Tory educated twit). My father in law left school at 14 with fuck all in terms of pieces of paper showing his intelligence. He ended up owning  restaurants & night clubs and was one of the smartest blokes I ever met. He died a millionaire, having owned a house overlooking Poole harbour. He voted leave, so clearly wasn’t as intelligent or knowledgable on the subject of EU membership as a 23 year old just out of a Poly with a degree in Film Studies. 

Some people get rich and want to keep hold of their money - I'm not sure anyone would dispute that.

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2 hours ago, CB Fry said:

Someone's been on Google. Funny really, I thought spaffing on about "well if you count the whole population then the majority didn't vote for Brexit at all"  was the preserve of sopping wet bad-loser remoaners? Very odd to see it employed here.

Vote's over mate.

You've won. 22 days in we get on with serious task of telling any haulage, fish, exporter or any other business impacted by the political decisions made that firms have been going bust for millennia and they just need to suck it the fuck up. That's right isn't it?

You missed the important bit of adapt, invent and overcome first.  These are key steps before we tell them to suck it the fuck up.

Unlike you to read a post and infer what you thought was said ;) 

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A mate of my told me he voted for Brexit as he wanted to get our sovereignty back.

He is now upset that the SNP's desire want to leave the UK has been fired up by the decision to leave the EU and  may well be followed by N Ireland and [possibly Wales.

I am sure that Boris and his cohorts will be against the breakup of the UK but it is no good just saying 'No'.

A compelling argument must be made for continuation of the Union without all the deception that accompanied the Brexit vote.

 

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5 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

You missed the important bit of adapt, invent and overcome first.  These are key steps before we tell them to suck it the fuck up.

Unlike you to read a post and infer what you thought was said ;) 

From the initial reports it seems that people are adapting. They are deciding to set up overseas - with the inevitable loss of jobs and tax revenues in this country.

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26 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

You missed the important bit of adapt, invent and overcome first.  These are key steps before we tell them to suck it the fuck up.

Unlike you to read a post and infer what you thought was said ;) 

On the contrary, I have excellent recall of your pitifully vapid truisms.

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3 hours ago, CB Fry said:

The split for those 25-34 was 62-38 remain. Those 34 year old young whippersnappers.

So yeah, interesting how "perceptions are shaped", indeed.

I was replying to a post you made about under 45s. You seem to have changed your sample size!

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28 minutes ago, spyinthesky said:

A mate of my told me he voted for Brexit as he wanted to get our sovereignty back.

He is now upset that the SNP's desire want to leave the UK has been fired up by the decision to leave the EU and  may well be followed by N Ireland and [possibly Wales.

I am sure that Boris and his cohorts will be against the breakup of the UK but it is no good just saying 'No'.

A compelling argument must be made for continuation of the Union without all the deception that accompanied the Brexit vote.

 


Why would leaving The EU affect Welsh independence, Wales also voted to leave.
 

There is an argument for the Micks & Sweaties to be had. Inside the UK and out of EU or out of uk in EU. In relation to the Micks, I’ve always believed Ireland is one country, and good riddance to The Sweaties.
 

Not that it will happen, arguing for independence between two EU states is easier to make than wanting to join the EU when RUK is out of it. Boris should let Krankie crack on with explaining what it means in terms of  The Euro, Schengen, and border controls to the  voters. Personally, I reckon a lot of Sweaties use the SNP as a vehicle to get more money and influence from the pinko English establishment. I don’t believe they’ll have the balls to go it alone, but Boris should give her a vote and I hope I’ll be proved wrong. 

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2 hours ago, View From The Top said:

Simply put, if you were young or educated you voted Remain.

If you were old or uneducated you voted Leave.

The end.

I think that is rather simplified. The older you are the less likely you are to have been to have studied for A levels or gone to University so if more older people voted leave than that exaggerates the variance between those that went to University and those that did not.

As it happens I think you are probably right but it is not so black and white as you suggest.

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42 minutes ago, Tamesaint said:

From the initial reports it seems that people are adapting. They are deciding to set up overseas - with the inevitable loss of jobs and tax revenues in this country.

Good for them. Rightly they should be doing whatever is best for their business. If that means moving to the EU then fair play.

Some of them may have been better off doing so before we ended the transition period as they wouldn't have needed to meet immigration criteria, but I guess they were seeing if they could have their cake and eat it.

I'm not sure the loss of tax income will be an enormous hit to the economy unless you have some early figures that say differently?

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47 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

Good for them. Rightly they should be doing whatever is best for their business. If that means moving to the EU then fair play.

Some of them may have been better off doing so before we ended the transition period as they wouldn't have needed to meet immigration criteria, but I guess they were seeing if they could have their cake and eat it.

I'm not sure the loss of tax income will be an enormous hit to the economy unless you have some early figures that say differently?

When a country borrows £270 billion in 9 months I think that it needs all the tax revenue that it can get.

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1 hour ago, Lord Duckhunter said:


Why would leaving The EU affect Welsh independence, Wales also voted to leave.
 

There is an argument for the Micks & Sweaties to be had. Inside the UK and out of EU or out of uk in EU. In relation to the Micks, I’ve always believed Ireland is one country, and good riddance to The Sweaties.
 

Not that it will happen, arguing for independence between two EU states is easier to make than wanting to join the EU when RUK is out of it. Boris should let Krankie crack on with explaining what it means in terms of  The Euro, Schengen, and border controls to the  voters. Personally, I reckon a lot of Sweaties use the SNP as a vehicle to get more money and influence from the pinko English establishment. I don’t believe they’ll have the balls to go it alone, but Boris should give her a vote and I hope I’ll be proved wrong. 

Duck speak is certainly a funny old language. Irish people are " Micks." Scottish people are "Sweaties". Anybody to the left of Genghis Khan is a "pinko".

If Nicola Sturgeon is "Krankie" why is Johnson  "Boris" ? Why isn't he "Fat Blond Liar" or FBL for short?  😁

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1 hour ago, Lord Duckhunter said:


Why would leaving The EU affect Welsh independence, Wales also voted to leave.
 

There is an argument for the Micks & Sweaties to be had. Inside the UK and out of EU or out of uk in EU. In relation to the Micks, I’ve always believed Ireland is one country, and good riddance to The Sweaties.
 

Not that it will happen, arguing for independence between two EU states is easier to make than wanting to join the EU when RUK is out of it. Boris should let Krankie crack on with explaining what it means in terms of  The Euro, Schengen, and border controls to the  voters. Personally, I reckon a lot of Sweaties use the SNP as a vehicle to get more money and influence from the pinko English establishment. I don’t believe they’ll have the balls to go it alone, but Boris should give her a vote and I hope I’ll be proved wrong. 

Troll on a Pony

 

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1 hour ago, Tamesaint said:

Duck speak is certainly a funny old language. Irish people are " Micks." Scottish people are "Sweaties". Anybody to the left of Genghis Khan is a "pinko".

If Nicola Sturgeon is "Krankie" why is Johnson  "Boris" ? Why isn't he "Fat Blond Liar" or FBL for short?  😁

Wrong.

Northern Irish are Micks, Irish are Paddy’s .

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24 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Wrong.

Northern Irish are Micks, Irish are Paddy’s .

Or, as Tracey Ullman put it in a sketch show, there are "micks, spicks, frogs, wogs, krauts, sprouts, and deigos".

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2 hours ago, Tamesaint said:

When a country borrows £270 billion in 9 months I think that it needs all the tax revenue that it can get.

According to Lord Agnew, the Cabinet Office Minister the UK contributed £226bn to the EU budget and EEC since 1973, compared to Covid related costs which are heading towards £300m>

An interesting comparison.

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19 hours ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

With all these problems and with top top people of high intelligence pointing them out, I’m sure the momentum for rejoining will be unstoppable. A rejoin party or coalition is clearly going to sweep to power, as the old racists die out and the enlightened next generation together with disgruntled fishermen  lead us back into the wonderful EU. If a bunch of halfwits can persuade the voters to leave, surely the intelligentsia can persuade us to rejoin. 
 

Alternatively, you’re howling at the wind. 

Depends how many half-wits are about. 

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8 minutes ago, spyinthesky said:

According to Lord Agnew, the Cabinet Office Minister the UK contributed £226bn to the EU budget and EEC since 1973, compared to Covid related costs which are heading towards £300m>

An interesting comparison.

Covid cost just £300m ????? Do us a favour. I think somebody has had too much loopy juice. 

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20 minutes ago, spyinthesky said:

According to Lord Agnew, the Cabinet Office Minister the UK contributed £226bn to the EU budget and EEC since 1973, compared to Covid related costs which are heading towards £300m>

An interesting comparison.

I think you meant Covid costs are nearing £300bn.

 

https://www.nao.org.uk/covid-19/cost-tracker/

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20 hours ago, Tamesaint said:

But don't forget. If people travel to their company's new EU offices to hand over job details, before they lose their own, they could well be travelling on blue passports. 

That's a relief!

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23 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

What’s Remoaners obsession with the colour of passports. I’ve never met a leaver who gives a shiny shite what colour they are. 

"In a statement, Home Secretary Priti Patel said: “Leaving the European Union gave us a unique opportunity to restore our national identity and forge a new path in the world.

“By returning to the iconic blue and gold design, the British passport will once again be entwined with our national identity and I cannot wait to travel on one.”"

https://www.politicshome.com/news/article/boris-johnson-unveils-iconic-brexit-blue-passport-design

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Believe it or not, I haven’t met Priti, so my assertion that I’ve yet to met a leaver who gives a shiny, stands. I wouldn’t mind betting that on this thread the colour of passports is mentioned by Remoaners more than leavers. Perhaps it’s time to stop banging on about them.  

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9 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

 I wouldn’t mind betting that on this thread the colour of passports is mentioned by Remoaners more than leavers.

It's when we try to find something about Brexit that hasn't proved to be a negative.

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1 hour ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Believe it or not, I haven’t met Priti, so my assertion that I’ve yet to met a leaver who gives a shiny, stands. I wouldn’t mind betting that on this thread the colour of passports is mentioned by Remoaners more than leavers. Perhaps it’s time to stop banging on about them.  

So why did the Brexit press make such a big thing of it.  I have Brexit acquaintances that were over the moon about their new blue passports, something they had never had before despite the bollocks printed, and the claims of Brexiteers, they were black.

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2 hours ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Believe it or not, I haven’t met Priti, so my assertion that I’ve yet to met a leaver who gives a shiny, stands. I wouldn’t mind betting that on this thread the colour of passports is mentioned by Remoaners more than leavers. Perhaps it’s time to stop banging on about them.  

Blue passports, cheaper tampons - you should be bigging up the two main Brexit positives so far.

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58 minutes ago, moonraker said:

So why did the Brexit press make such a big thing of it.  I have Brexit acquaintances that were over the moon about their new blue passports, something they had never had before despite the bollocks printed, and the claims of Brexiteers, they were black.

They were blue numbnuts...

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