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1 hour ago, Guided Missile said:

Latest from the CEO of Airbus, Guillaume Faury

Looking forward to the negative spin the Remainers will put on this news, as they emerge from the shadows, like Japanese soldiers after WWII.

You are just plain weird.

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1 hour ago, Guided Missile said:

Latest from the CEO of Airbus, Guillaume Faury

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Faury laughs when asked about the possibility of moving production out of Britain. “We want to grow in the UK. We will be willing to do more than we are doing to today, to have a win-win for the UK and Airbus.”

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Looking forward to the negative spin the Remainers will put on this news, as they emerge from the shadows, like Japanese soldiers after WWII.

Not a 'negative spin', but context. If you read the whole article it is clear that what he is saying is that he would be happy to 'grow in the UK' given an appropriate operating environment, for instance winning a new military helicopter contract in return for guaranteeing they are built in the UK. However, he also says that they operate in a Global environment, and things are subject to change. ( He specifically mentions China as a growtrh area, but remember, Airbus has already moved some wing production to China, so expansion there would not benefit the UK manufacturing plants ).

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100 days later, Brexit isn't working and business wants it fixed

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/04/12/business/brexit-trade-100-days/index.html

 

"But it's been 100 days since the United Kingdom split from its single biggest trading partner and Brexit is proving to be disastrous for many British exporters, which have rejected Johnson's description of the issues as "teething problems" and are now asking the government to take urgent action to prevent further losses."

 

""The difficulties exporters are facing are not just 'teething problems.' They are structural issues that, if they continue to go unaddressed, could lead to long term, potentially irreversible weakness in the UK export sector," she added."

 

"But a survey of over 1,000 UK business leaders conducted by EY and lobby group London First in late February found that three quarters have experienced disruption to their operating model following the end of the Brexit transition period, and half expect it to continue over the long term."

 

"The fact is, companies trading with the EU did not need to know or understand customs until now. And there isn't enough capacity in the [customs] industry to provide the required support," said Anna Jerzewska, the founder of international trade consultancy Trade & Borders"

 

"Since the referendum, international financial services firms have migrated almost £1.3 trillion ($1.8 trillion) worth of assets and relocated 7,600 jobs from Britain to the European Union, according to data tracked by EY. Amsterdam has already overtaken London as Europe's top share trading center."

 

"The new trading relationship is expected to lead to a long-run loss of output in Britain of around 4% compared to remaining in the European Union, according to the UK Office for Budget Responsibility, which produces economic forecasts for the government. Exports and imports will be around 15% lower in the long run."

 

 

 

 

 

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Meanwhile, the news being reported by UK press says :

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Trade between the UK and EU partially recovered in February, after a steep drop in January following Brexit.

Official figures show exports to the EU jumped by 46.6%, £3.7bn, to £11.6bn, following January's 42% slump when firms struggled with new trade rules.

However, the Office for National Statistics said exports were still below last year's levels and imports from the EU had seen a weaker recovery.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-56729631

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2 hours ago, Weston Super Saint said:

Correct.

Impact of covid %?

No idea, but we had CoVid last February, and only left the EU 3 months ago, and the slump in January was in relation to the preceeding month. I would have thought that the most severe impact of CoViD had already been felt well before 'Independence Day'.

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17 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

No idea, but we had CoVid last February, and only left the EU 3 months ago, and the slump in January was in relation to the preceeding month. I would have thought that the most severe impact of CoViD had already been felt well before 'Independence Day'.

Didn't the article point out the slump in January was partly due to 'stockpiling' in December?

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19 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

Didn't the article point out the slump in January was partly due to 'stockpiling' in December?

Yes, but there are ao many variables that in the short term it probably isn't a good idea to make definitive judgements either way. ( Didn't JRM mention 40 years, as he was moving his investment funds into an EU base ) I just thought that it might be interesting to have an alternative, ( non UK or EU ), report on how things are perceived to be progressing.

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20 hours ago, buctootim said:

Britain is adopting EU food standards. So that was all worth it then. Still have the black, err blue passports though - unlike Farage and Boris' dad. .    

Remainers passport colour obsession again. 

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43 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Remainers passport colour obsession again. 

Lol. I knee that would wind Ducky up. His view of the world and desire to live  in the 1970s clearly hasn't been influenced by reading the Express or Mail. 

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5 hours ago, warsash saint said:

Just popped in to see if anyone has come up with any tangible benefits of Brexit yet?

Freedom

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-56741000

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Brexit has given the UK back its independence and boosted innovation, inventor Sir James Dyson has said.

"We've got our freedom, we can make trade agreements with other countries outside Europe [and] we can employ people from all around the world," Sir James told the BBC.

 

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Sir James knows all about employing people from all around the world.

The tax-efficient flag-hugger has closed UK factories and offices and moved jobs abroad so he can employ people all around the world.

While loudly advising others to do the opposite.

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Ambrose Evans-Pritchard in the Telegraph this morning:
 

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Two cheers for the British Wirtschaftswunder. It may not be an economic miracle, but the accelerating recovery now under way is a breathtaking turn of fortunes for the much denigrated Brexit economy. The UK will probably regain pre-Covid levels of output before the eurozone, perhaps by Christmas. By the end of next year it may even have recouped the entire cross-Channel gap in growth since the referendum. Philip Shaw from Investec has pencilled in blistering growth of 7.3pc this year, but says it could be over 8pc. “We’re trying not to sound outrageous but that is what the numbers are telling us,” he said. The firm has the eurozone pegged at 4.4pc. Upgrades are pouring in. The Swiss bank UBS has raised its UK forecast from 3.8pc to 5.5pc. Bank of America and Barclays have both raised theirs to 5.9pc. A “very optimistic” Goldman Sachs is eyeing 7.1pc, thanks to both early and rapid vaccination. The US bank says press alarmism about a 1.3 million exodus of EU nationals fleeing London is nonsense. “The true net outflow of migrants is closer to the 200,000 mark,” it said. It predicts that many will return soon because jobs are scarce at home. Migrants from Hong Kong will do the rest. “Everybody has been too bearish on the UK,” said David Owen from Jefferies. “It is going to be a ‘coiled spring’ recovery and we even think the UK will outperform the US in 2022 with 7.6pc growth.”

Let's face it Remainers, your boys took a hell of a beating.

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1 hour ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Let’s look at it from another ankle, why are remainers bothered what colour their passports are ? 

It is an absolutely trivial detail  that somehow became the poster boy of Brexit. I think remainders just find it funny. Yeah sure trade has been hit, fishing is in the toilet and Brits are getting deported from Spain BUUUT........ we have got.....

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2 hours ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Let’s look at it from another ankle, why are remainers bothered what colour their passports are ? 

Lets give the black passport a good kicking.  😀

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5 hours ago, buctootim said:

It is an absolutely trivial detail  that somehow became the poster boy of Brexit. I think remainders just find it funny. Yeah sure trade has been hit, fishing is in the toilet and Brits are getting deported from Spain BUUUT........ we have got.....

.....our vaccines

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8 minutes ago, Sergei Gotsmanov said:

but a lot later of course

As has been discussed earlier in the thread, there would not have been anything preventing the UK doing it's own thing from day one.

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Just now, badgerx16 said:

As has been discussed earlier in the thread, there would not have been anything preventing the UK doing it's own thing from day one.

You're wasting your time.

These people just ignoring the EU nations already making their own calls about vaccines left right and centre - yesterday's news about Denmark halting AZ completely being the most recent example.

bUt i tHouGht tHeY aLL jUSt dO wHAt tHe GErmAnS sAy

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10 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

As has been discussed earlier in the thread, there would not have been anything preventing the UK doing it's own thing from day one.

If we hadn’t of voted to leave the EU that europhile loon Cameron would still be running the Government and have a cabinet full of euro extremists. Whether they could or couldn’t do their own thing , is a pointless debate, there’s absolutely no chance the clowns would have broken ranks from their beloved EU. We’d be in the same boat as the rest of The EU if a majority of us visionaries hadn’t saved the day. 

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55 minutes ago, Mystic Force said:

Norwegian fish from Norwegian waters foreigners go home! They were pinning for the fjords.

Surely this is about Eric the halibut, not a blue parrot.

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16 hours ago, badgerx16 said:

UK fishing is having a post-Brexit bonanza...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-56932551

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The UK and Norway have failed to reach a fishing deal for this year, with the industry warning that hundreds of crew members will be left out of work.

It means UK fleets will have no access to Norway's sub-Arctic waters, known for their cod catches."

This won't happen . Wes promised. 

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Farage said the acid test for Brexit would be fishing - the UK fishing industry describes it today as a disaster.

Norway is celebrating, the EU must be pissing themselves laughing at us, we appear to have voted away our own fishing rights.

Our fish cannot be happy, how can we cheer them up?

 

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23 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

In the first post-Brexit Eurovision the UK come last with 'nul points'. Qu'el Surprise.

( Mind you, Germany only got 3 ).

Song was bland, he sang it badly, put on no show at all and he looked like a binman. We were lucky to get nil as they say.

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10 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

Song was bland, he sang it badly, put on no show at all and he looked like a binman. We were lucky to get nil as they say.

Exactly. In previous years I've been shocked at how few points the "UK" has got, but that song was drivel, with no show what-so-ever and he looked like some random pissed bloke from the Standing Order. That paired with how much this country is hated, I'm not surprised it got 0 points. 

 

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30 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

In the first post-Brexit Eurovision the UK come last with 'nul points'. Qu'el Surprise.

( Mind you, Germany only got 3 ).

Russia occupied most of Eastern Europe until 30 years ago, are awash with racist homophobes and they still get plenty of votes from the public. TBH it’s arrogant thinking that the rest of Europe actually gives a flying f**k about Brexit when voting for a bloody karaoke contest. Nobody hates us, we just don’t have any real friends. If the Isle of Wight had a separate vote, like Cyprus, we’d get 12 points straight off the bat. Likewise we don’t have half of France and Belgium made up of ‘ethnic Brits’ like most of the Balkan and East European countries.

 

Amanda f**king Holden though, stood there looking like mutton, saying, "hey good evening in Dutch/French, I don’t have a clue which is which, lol" ... good grief.

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Why am I not surprised the Remainers on this site are fans of the fucking Eurovision song contest, as if it is related in any way to music and Britain's contribution to world music. Just for some balance and in reverse order, below is a list and explains more than you ever need to know about British music. Nul points? Yeah, that's right:

 

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10. The Stone Roses

Who cares if they only really released one good album, the Stone Roses have carved out a groove in the British zeitgeist unlike anyone else before or after them. Their self-titled 1989 debut is quite rightly regarded as one of the most influential British records ever made; if you walk into any indie bar across the country on a Friday night, you can guarantee it’ll be playing through the speakers and going down a storm.

9. The Clash

From the angsty exuberance of their self-titled debut to the ambitious genre-bending efforts of London Calling and Sandinista, The Clash put out a succession of classic albums between 1977 and 1985. The band stood up for admirable causes, famously performing at Rock Against Racism and embracing lefty politics in their writing too. Forget the Sex Pistols, The Clash are the greatest punk band the UK has ever produced.

8. The Cure

Robert Smith’s the Cure are one of most iconic British bands of the 1980s and 1990s, and hold a special place in the hearts of many music fans up and down the country. From the the stark and intense nature of albums like 1982’s Pornography, through to the more flamboyant and playful records like Wish, Kiss Me, Kiss Me, Kiss Me and Disintegration - arguably the band’s masterpiece - Smith created some of the greatest alternative British music of his generation.

7. Oasis

How many times has someone picked up a guitar and performed a dodgy rendition of Wonderwall at a party? Or how many times has someone murdered a rendition of Don’t Look Back In Anger at karaoke? Oasis's songs themselves are some of the most accessible and instantaneous British songs ever written and that’s before you even consider the charisma of the band that performed them: The Gallagher brothers were at war most of the time during Oasis’s career, but out of that tension came the most iconic songs of the 1990s and some of the most culturally significant British music ever made.

6. The Smiths

They might have inspired more terrible student bands than any other artist, but the Smiths remain one of the greatest bands Britain has ever produced. Morrissey’s unmistakable vocals and the chime of Johnny Marr’s beautiful guitar playing made them one of the most distinctive bands of the 1980s, and a hit with indie fans ever since. It’s almost scary to think that Marr formed the Smiths, released four incredible studio albums and quit the band all by the time he was 24: a staggering achievement at such an early age.

5. The Rolling Stones

Without doubt one of the most influential British rock bands of all time, the Rolling Stones could easily top any list of iconic British rock groups. Childhood friends Mick Jagger and Keith Richards formed an iconic musical partnership as kids in the 1950s before forming the Stones with Brian Jones, Charlie Watts, Bill Wyman and Ian Stewart. The group developed on their early covers of tracks by the likes of blues legends Howlin’ Wolf and Chuck Berry to produce more and more expansive sounds, but still kept blues-rock at the absolute core of their music. The reductive ‘Beatles vs Stones’ argument will always persist amongst music fans, but the swagger and the sheer riffage on display on classic Stones’ albums Let It Bleed, Sticky Fingers and Exile on Main Street is irresistible.

4. Pink Floyd

The Dark Side of the Moon, The Wall, Wish You Were Here... the list of classic albums goes on. Pink Floyd have created some of the most accomplished and successful UK rock music ever made and always maintained a distinctively British sense of eccentricity and idiosyncracy. The prog rock legends are one of the most commercially successful British bands ever and David Gilmour remains one of the most revered guitarists of his generation too.

3. Radiohead

Radiohead could have carried on making albums like The Bends and OK Computer and become the biggest British band of all time in the late 1990s. However, they challenged themselves to change their sound, and with Kid A they showed the benefits of never standing still as an artist. They're a great band who refuse to settle, but still manage to create weird and wonderful music. They're beyond doubt one of the very, very best British rock bands of all time.

2. Led Zeppelin

Rock monsters Led Zeppelin are one of the greatest, hardest rock bands ever, and the four individual members are all some of the best players of their generation too. Robert Plant, John Paul Jones, John Bonham, and Jimmy Page stand head and shoulders above their contemporaries as individual musicians, and their talents combined to create some of the heaviest rock of their generation. In fact, Communication Breakdown is often cited as the first heavy metal song. Whether you believe that or not, the band’s influence is undeniable and their status as British rock gods is untouchable.

1. The Beatles

Battle hardened in the clubs of Hamburg, the fab four transformed from squeaky-clean pop sweethearts to rock monsters during the course of their career, and produced some of the best music ever made along the way. They constantly pushed boundaries, took their sound to places you'd never think possible and together with pioneering producer George Martin used the studio as an instrument unlike ever before. Their story and their music is legendary, and you just can't look past them as the greatest British rock band of all time.

 

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57 minutes ago, Guided Missile said:

Why am I not surprised the Remainers on this site are fans of the fucking Eurovision song contest, as if it is related in any way to music and Britain's contribution to world music. Just for some balance and in reverse order, below is a list and explains more than you ever need to know about British music. Nul points? Yeah, that's right:

 

 

You're really not a well man, are you?

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45 minutes ago, Guided Missile said:

Why am I not surprised the Remainers on this site are fans of the fucking Eurovision song contest, as if it is related in any way to music and Britain's contribution to world music. Just for some balance and in reverse order, below is a list and explains more than you ever need to know about British music. Nul points? Yeah, that's right:

 

 

Pretty sure no one on here who watched Eurovision is buying, downloading or streaming any of the songs to complement their current collection which would most likely already include a number of the acts on that list.

It might have had held more weight if Kate Bush had replaced Oasis who are one of the most insanely overrated bands ever. In fact I'd rather listen to our nul points Eurovision entry than them any time.

Quite weird to include Stone Roses. One exceptional album and some follow up fodder isn't worthy of putting them on a list which excludes giants of the music industry who sold far more records and were hugely influential like Elton John, Black Sabbath, George Michael, Queen, Fleetwood Mac and The Who. I'd even have Stormzy on there above Stone Roses but he wouldn't fit the demographic of the original list. 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Guided Missile said:

Why am I not surprised the Remainers on this site are fans of the fucking Eurovision song contest, .........

Find a single post where any "remainer" says they are a fan of Eurovision. You are just a sad, blinkered, obsessed Gammon gobshite.

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31 minutes ago, The Cat said:

Pretty sure no one on here who watched Eurovision is buying, downloading or streaming any of the songs to complement their current collection which would most likely already include a number of the acts on that list.

It might have had held more weight if Kate Bush had replaced Oasis who are one of the most insanely overrated bands ever. In fact I'd rather listen to our nul points Eurovision entry than them any time.

Quite weird to include Stone Roses. One exceptional album and some follow up fodder isn't worthy of putting them on a list which excludes giants of the music industry who sold far more records and were hugely influential like Elton John, Black Sabbath, George Michael, Queen, Fleetwood Mac and The Who. I'd even have Stormzy on there above Stone Roses but he wouldn't fit the demographic of the original list. 

 

 

As is usual, GM's opinion is cut&pasted, though, as is normal, without attribution - nobody could ever believe he strung all those words together himself. Nor do I think that he has actually listened to half of the bands he listed.

This is the original, and it does indeed include Queen and Sabbath;

https://www.standard.co.uk/culture/music/the-20-greatest-british-rock-bands-of-all-time-a3655391.html

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9 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

As is usual, GM's opinion is cut&pasted, though, as is normal, without attribution - nobody could ever believe he strung all those words together himself. Nor do I think that he has actually listened to half of the bands he listed.

This is the original, and it does indeed include Queen and Sabbath;

https://www.standard.co.uk/culture/music/the-20-greatest-british-rock-bands-of-all-time-a3655391.html

Love the fact Super Furries make the original list. Definitely one of my favourite bands. Gruff Rhys is a bit of a legend as far as I'm concerned.

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I think it has to be a military invasion of Europe. They claim not to like our music but I wonder if they like our piano wire around their necks! 🤪

I am sure that our resident Pompey Poly, poison peddlar weirdo would agree.

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