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45 minutes ago, austsaint said:

Nice try - using those kind of sketch figures/stats to infer that the likes of Tella and Smallbone can match the influence of a Boufal is ludicrous.  I can recall many  assists and creative contributions by Boufal that the likes of Smallbone and Tella are unlikely to ever match.    They are young, but scarcely match the skills and potential of previous youth players like Hesketh, Sims, even Reed at the same stage....yet, they now appear as players in our best 18....that's worrying.

"Many assists and creative contributions" - really?

I agree we can't rely on the academy to replace him, but he has been a complete waste of money. It's telling that the only current serious links are to a mid-table French team and the Greek champions. 

 

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2 hours ago, austsaint said:

despite what the Lord Duckhunters' and others say about SB.

Others? What about every single manager that he’s played for in England. You know, the guys that watch him day in & day out. Don’t tell me, they’re wrong and you’re right. Doesn’t it tell you something that nobody half decent is interested in signing him, fuck me even Gaston managed to get one premier league club interested. 

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The Bouf is the most skilful player in our team by far, he could nutmeg a caterpillar.

Unfortunately we are using effort and tactics to overcome superior players in the opposition teams - The Bouf is not so great at that.

Nice player from the bench in this team, brilliant player in other team where others work for him.

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3 minutes ago, Convict Colony said:

The Bouf is the most skilful player in our team by far, he could nutmeg a caterpillar.

Unfortunately we are using effort and tactics to overcome superior players in the opposition teams - The Bouf is not so great at that.

Nice player from the bench in this team, brilliant player in other team where others work for him.

Oh right. When and where did this happen?

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5 minutes ago, Convict Colony said:

The Bouf is the most skilful player in our team by far, he could nutmeg a caterpillar.

Unfortunately we are using effort and tactics to overcome superior players in the opposition teams - The Bouf is not so great at that.

Nice player from the bench in this team, brilliant player in other team where others work for him.

True, but he then has little sense of when to pass the ball and goes on to try it again and loses possession

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8 hours ago, austsaint said:

Nice try - using those kind of sketch figures/stats to infer that the likes of Tella and Smallbone can match the influence of a Boufal is ludicrous.  I can recall many  assists and creative contributions by Boufal that the likes of Smallbone and Tella are unlikely to ever match.    They are young, but scarcely match the skills and potential of previous youth players like Hesketh, Sims, even Reed at the same stage....yet, they now appear as players in our best 18....that's worrying.

Yep, Lighthouse way of comparing the effectiveness of players is nonsense. Smallbone hasn't done anything so far to suggest that he is capable of effecting a game in the way SB can. Having seen Tella play, I can only assume that he's in the squad as there's nobody else if we're keeping SB away from the team. SB on the bench, or as cover or an alternative, makes sense to me. 

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10 minutes ago, egg said:

Yep, Lighthouse way of comparing the effectiveness of players is nonsense. Smallbone hasn't done anything so far to suggest that he is capable of effecting a game in the way SB can. Having seen Tella play, I can only assume that he's in the squad as there's nobody else if we're keeping SB away from the team. SB on the bench, or as cover or an alternative, makes sense to me. 

Well Sims has scored 2 in 2 for b team, so should be another option. He’s effected games previously. I can certainly understand logic in getting a fee for boufal given the fringe nature of his role.

 

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1 hour ago, egg said:

Yep, Lighthouse way of comparing the effectiveness of players is nonsense. Smallbone hasn't done anything so far to suggest that he is capable of effecting a game in the way SB can. Having seen Tella play, I can only assume that he's in the squad as there's nobody else if we're keeping SB away from the team. SB on the bench, or as cover or an alternative, makes sense to me. 

I’m not raising the flag for Tella or Smallbone but seriously, what do they need to replace? Boufal set up a goal against 10 man Brighton, when we were already winning and they were chasing shadows. We looked better against Everton when he came on but still lost and he turned the game around against Watford.

 

The win at Stamford Bridge showed how well we can play without him, then he started two games against Palace and Huddersfield, put in a pair of non-performances and was rarely seen again. He played 1 minute plus some injury time after the restart, during which time we played some of our best football and achieved our best run of form.

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1 hour ago, verlaine1979 said:

Sims reminds me of Javier Saviola, insofar as he's so small that when he's running with the ball is looks like the top of it almost reaches his knee.

Didn't look too bad running with the ball at Anfield that night!

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11 hours ago, verlaine1979 said:

Sims reminds me of Javier Saviola, insofar as he's so small that when he's running with the ball is looks like the top of it almost reaches his knee.

Sims, at 5’9 is taller than arguably the 2 best ever players with the ball at his feet Maradonna And messi. So I’ll take your judgement about his height being a issue with a pinch of salt. 

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12 hours ago, Lighthouse said:

I’m not raising the flag for Tella or Smallbone but seriously, what do they need to replace? Boufal set up a goal against 10 man Brighton, when we were already winning and they were chasing shadows. We looked better against Everton when he came on but still lost and he turned the game around against Watford.

 

The win at Stamford Bridge showed how well we can play without him, then he started two games against Palace and Huddersfield, put in a pair of non-performances and was rarely seen again. He played 1 minute plus some injury time after the restart, during which time we played some of our best football and achieved our best run of form.

We get that you don't like Boufal so time to lift the needle off the old record and bin it. He will leave, the controversy will be over. I will have better memories of him than you. Let's wish him well and if he blossoms elsewhere let's hope you're big enough the acknowledge it.

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1 hour ago, Charlie Wayman said:

We get that you don't like Boufal so time to lift the needle off the old record and bin it. He will leave, the controversy will be over. I will have better memories of him than you. Let's wish him well and if he blossoms elsewhere let's hope you're big enough the acknowledge it.

Well said Charlie.   Most would concede the weaknesses in Boufal's game; particularly in the Premier League with the style of player RH wants.   He has some sublime Football talent though, and I thoroughly enjoyed watching it.    My best memory was the goal line control and pull back resulting in a goal for Romeu - not sure of the game, but very few players could have engineered that assist.

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Look at our wingers. While they can all play on both sides, we have AFAIK

 

Left - Djenepo, Redmond, Boufal

Right - Sims, Tella

 

So it would be good to sell one on the left to reinforce the right, as I'm not sure anyone would really be happy to go into the season with Sims and Tella there. I know that Armstrong has deputised well on the right, but he is more a central/attacking midfielder and freeing him up to play through the middle might be just the creativity we need. 

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9 hours ago, SKD said:

Sims, at 5’9 is taller than arguably the 2 best ever players with the ball at his feet Maradonna And messi. So I’ll take your judgement about his height being a issue with a pinch of salt. 

I was directly comparing him to an Argentine international who played for both Barcelona and Madrid. What makes you think I'm criticising his height?

That said, if he really is 5'9, he must have short little legs for someone that tall...

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7 hours ago, angelman said:

I know that Armstrong has deputised well on the right, but he is more a central/attacking midfielder and freeing him up to play through the middle might be just the creativity we need. 

The two players behind the strikers in the 4222 system are narrow already.

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31 minutes ago, LeG said:

Pretty sure that Boufal perfectly fits RH style. Its just a case of the club raising funds. Sad. At least Gao is buggering off.

Well that is exactly what I reported weeks ago.

Ralph has no issue with Sof and would like him to stay but as we are skint we need to sacrifice him hence why Ralph was lamenting his lack of options at the weekend.

Would be better to keep him especially if we know more money is coming around the corner With the takeover.

Our guess our only hope to keep him is if bids are so poor that it doesn’t make it worthwhile to sell him.

What i don’t understand at all is why isn t he training with the squad and involved if there are lack of options in the squad would make sense to use him in the short term for the benefit of results, unless there is an appearance bonus somewhere about to be triggered if he plays.

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4 minutes ago, stevy777_x said:

Well that is exactly what I reported weeks ago.

Ralph has no issue with Sof and would like him to stay but as we are skint we need to sacrifice him hence why Ralph was lamenting his lack of options at the weekend.

Would be better to keep him especially if we know more money is coming around the corner With the takeover.

Our guess our only hope to keep him is if bids are so poor that it doesn’t make it worthwhile to sell him.

What i don’t understand at all is why isn t he training with the squad and involved if there are lack of options in the squad would make sense to use him in the short term for the benefit of results, unless there is an appearance bonus somewhere about to be triggered if he plays.

If there’s a takeover & if there’s cash available. 

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1 hour ago, stevy777_x said:

Well that is exactly what I reported weeks ago.

Ralph has no issue with Sof and would like him to stay but as we are skint we need to sacrifice him hence why Ralph was lamenting his lack of options at the weekend.

Would be better to keep him especially if we know more money is coming around the corner With the takeover.

Our guess our only hope to keep him is if bids are so poor that it doesn’t make it worthwhile to sell him.

What i don’t understand at all is why isn t he training with the squad and involved if there are lack of options in the squad would make sense to use him in the short term for the benefit of results, unless there is an appearance bonus somewhere about to be triggered if he plays.

If this is the case then why did Martin Semmens say the other week that we didn't need to sell in order to buy? Surely we have to keep hold of Sofiane as like you say Ralph wants him to stay. He's one of our most creative players!

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I know a lot of people on here get frustrated with Redmond, but I think we are actually missing him......at least he takes on people and runs AT them. Having seen how Djenepo played on Sunday (or didn't - at times it looked like he'd never seen a football in his life) makes you wonder if Ralph might be less keen to get rid of Boufal.  No, he's not been great, but I think I'm right in saying he played under Puel, The Clown and Mark Hughes, totally different styles to Ralph. Maybe, just maybe, a run of a few games (if Redmond is still out) would give him the boost he needs. I've seen Boufal play a few times and each time - the one thing I have been impressed with is his chasing back and closing down. Yes I know his decision making needs improving, but again....maybe decent coaching can improve that. Just a thought......

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If Ralph rates him why hasn't he been playing? As for 'closing down', I don't think he knows what it is. He is talented but a show pony, and that's not what we need, if we did Ralph would pick him, or Mark Hughes might have, or The Clown but he gets the thumbs down from them all. Will anyone buy him?

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1 hour ago, Dellman said:

If Ralph rates him why hasn't he been playing? 

Hasenhuttl has very strange criteria for assessing players like how many sprints they can do in 15 minutes and their 25 metre sprint times. On that basis he would've loaned out Le Tissier to Worthing and offered him on a free. They also have to have a name that can be made to sound very chummy like Prow-sey, Ing-sey, Redders, Bertie. Poor Sofiane has no chance.

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1 hour ago, Charlie Wayman said:

Hasenhuttl has very strange criteria for assessing players like how many sprints they can do in 15 minutes and their 25 metre sprint times. On that basis he would've loaned out Le Tissier to Worthing and offered him on a free. They also have to have a name that can be made to sound very chummy like Prow-sey, Ing-sey, Redders, Bertie. Poor Sofiane has no chance.

Much as I like both Armstrong and Djenepo, if Boufal had played like they did on Saturday he would have been hauled off earlier and been given the rounds of the kitchen on this site.     And then we have to watch the hapless Tella come on and deliver something many grades below Boufal's capabilities.

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5 hours ago, Charlie Wayman said:

Hasenhuttl has very strange criteria for assessing players like how many sprints they can do in 15 minutes and their 25 metre sprint times. On that basis he would've loaned out Le Tissier to Worthing and offered him on a free. They also have to have a name that can be made to sound very chummy like Prow-sey, Ing-sey, Redders, Bertie. Poor Sofiane has no chance.

Boufhead?

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1 hour ago, skintsaint said:

When did this start happening?

I'm not saying the end product is always there....his shooting can be wayward, which is why he frustrates, but he does run at defenders and take them on. Nobody did that last weekend which is why I say we are missing him. Some youtube clips attached.....hopefully

 

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5 hours ago, Charlie Wayman said:

Hasenhuttl has very strange criteria for assessing players like how many sprints they can do in 15 minutes and their 25 metre sprint times. On that basis he would've loaned out Le Tissier to Worthing and offered him on a free. They also have to have a name that can be made to sound very chummy like Prow-sey, Ing-sey, Redders, Bertie. Poor Sofiane has no chance.

Boufy the vampire slayer.

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On 23/09/2020 at 09:02, SKD said:

Sims, at 5’9 is taller than arguably the 2 best ever players with the ball at his feet Maradonna And messi. So I’ll take your judgement about his height being a issue with a pinch of salt. 

Simms, Maradonna and Messi In the same sentence, cor blimey!

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I'd imagine it's a combination of factors, Ralph probably wants him as a squad option but likely he wants to play more which can't be guaranteed, plus he's probably amongst the higher earners I would reckon and his contract is running out so better for the club to cash in rather than losing him for free. 

Talented but inconsistent probably best described him and I'd probably say lacking the fast decision making to play under Ralph's system where everything is done at high pace, Boufal has always I think looked more suited to a slower more possession based style where he can stand up his marker and take him on before having a shot or finding a pass. 

Never got these accusations of laziness though, seemed to always work hard to me when I have seen him and we've never heard anything of him being a bad trainer or being unprofessional, seems to have just got on with it despite getting little game time. 

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8 hours ago, Saint Keef said:

I'm not saying the end product is always there....his shooting can be wayward, which is why he frustrates, but he does run at defenders and take them on. Nobody did that last weekend which is why I say we are missing him. Some youtube clips attached.....hopefully

 

Can you imagine if we were linked with this guy, and he was doing it in Spain.  Our fans would be absolutely buzzing.  We're a better side when he is playing.

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57 minutes ago, Saint Garrett said:

Can you imagine if we were linked with this guy, and he was doing it in Spain.  Our fans would be absolutely buzzing.  We're a better side when he is playing.

When he's on form, we win more than we lose - without question.

The problem is that he flits in and out of form so quickly, he needs to find more consistency. But no doubt that he's a top level PL player when on form.

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5 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

When he's on form, we win more than we lose - without question.

The problem is that he flits in and out of form so quickly, he needs to find more consistency. But no doubt that he's a top level PL player when on form.

I agree. I also feel that people don't always appreciate what he does off the ball with his runs and covering. I really feel we miss this aspect of his game, particularly away from home. Sure, it isn't going to feature on a highlights reel on Youtube but it really does improve our team play. Djenepo tried to play that role against Burnley and had to sacrifice his creativity and adventure, when Redmond is on song he can marry together both defensive discipline and cover with some good attacking play.   

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21 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

When he's on form, we win more than we lose - without question.

The problem is that he flits in and out of form so quickly, he needs to find more consistency. But no doubt that he's a top level PL player when on form.

Part of me is hoping that all the rumours of him leaving lead nowhere and that he stays for a further year. If Djenepo continues to play as he did on Saturday then he is not the chosen one that we were led to believe he was. Boufal was never that bad in a single match and as many have said Tella may have a future but he is not the present and the present is what we need right now. 

Djenepo is a Hasenhuttl signing is he not so that's another potential concern. Don't get me wrong I want him to be a great success, just imagine if we could get him and Boufie firing on all cylinders.

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8 minutes ago, Charlie Wayman said:

Part of me is hoping that all the rumours of him leaving lead nowhere and that he stays for a further year. If Djenepo continues to play as he did on Saturday then he is not the chosen one that we were led to believe he was. Boufal was never that bad in a single match and as many have said Tella may have a future but he is not the present and the present is what we need right now. 

Djenepo is a Hasenhuttl signing is he not so that's another potential concern. Don't get me wrong I want him to be a great success, just imagine if we could get him and Boufie firing on all cylinders.

I wasn't talking about Boufal, I was talking about Redmond.

As far as Boufal is concerned, he offers nothing and never has. If getting shot of him frees up the money to buy someone more direct/quicker, then let's do it. We won't miss him.

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9 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

I wasn't talking about Boufal, I was talking about Redmond.

As far as Boufal is concerned, he offers nothing and never has. If getting shot of him frees up the money to buy someone more direct/quicker, then let's do it. We won't miss him.

That's your opinion and you're entitled to it. And it seems to align with Ralph's. 

For better or for worse, we seem to have given Ralph greater and greater control. If he isn't prepared to play Bouf, then it's better for him to go where he will get game time.

But I think it's a pity. Bouf is a game changer and we need them. Ralph seems to stubbornly stick to the same group of players, even when we need fresh ideas.

Let me know who we can get for €1.5M that is better than Boufal.

 

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1 hour ago, the saint in winchester said:

That's your opinion and you're entitled to it. And it seems to align with Ralph's. 

For better or for worse, we seem to have given Ralph greater and greater control. If he isn't prepared to play Bouf, then it's better for him to go where he will get game time.

But I think it's a pity. Bouf is a game changer and we need them. Ralph seems to stubbornly stick to the same group of players, even when we need fresh ideas.

Let me know who we can get for €1.5M that is better than Boufal.

 

It’s not just Ralph, it’s every single manager he’s had in England.
 

We had the Gasronettes waxing lyrically about the wonders he can perform, having wet dreams over “The Villa game”, wondering how managers could overlook their hero, how could they not see what these hipsters could. Of course the dream faded and died ....... in Hull, as he was shite. Now we have the Boufonts, writing poetically about “The West Brom” goal (at least Gaston had a whole game to wank over), rallying against 5 managers who dare to leave him out. Like The Gastonettes they’ll end up disappointed and deflated. 2 show ponies destined for the knackers yard. 

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1 hour ago, Charlie Wayman said:

If Djenepo continues to play as he did on Saturday then he is not the chosen one that we were led to believe he was.  

He had a terrible game, yes (along with Armstrong). But Djenepo was probably our best player against Spurs the previous week. 

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38 minutes ago, qwertyell said:

He had a terrible game, yes (along with Armstrong). But Djenepo was probably our best player against Spurs the previous week. 

Indeed. Just like Mane was inconsistent for a good year and a half. Think he deserves another season before we write him off. 

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47 minutes ago, qwertyell said:

He had a terrible game, yes (along with Armstrong). But Djenepo was probably our best player against Spurs the previous week. 

Moussa just needs a run of games, he is coming into this season with no form at all. He had a very stop-start first year with us, in fact it was more stop than start. Not sure what the injuries were, but it was certainly hampering him getting up a head of steam.

If we've got to the bottom of those injuries and he's now fit, give him a run of games and we'll see the trickery/pace that we know he can produce. He was utterly hopeless on Saturday for sure, but it's a hard game to judge him on as he needs to find his way back to some form.

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50 minutes ago, qwertyell said:

He had a terrible game, yes (along with Armstrong). But Djenepo was probably our best player against Spurs the previous week. 

Also need to factor in the tactics we used against Burnley. He was probably told to mind his defensive duties and not leave the FB exposed.

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