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Sofiane Boufal - Official: Free Transfer to Angers


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13 hours ago, Hawkswood said:

Christ. Imagine if we'd got relegated with all that lot still on the wage bill. Doesn't bear thinking about.

But for Gabbiadini’s outstretched leg at Swansea, the club would have been and in all honesty would have been in very serious jeopardy of going bust if they hadn’t already. There haven’t been many highlights in the Gao era but firing Reed - Kreuger should be ashamed for not doing that before he could squander the VVD money - and hiring Ralph have been the two main ones. Wish he’d done it in November 2017 pre Carrillo but better late than never. Still some deadwood to go - Forster, Hoedt and Lemina one year to go - but as others have posted a lot more cleared now and a cleaner start for a new owner which I think we will have. That Forster second extension still makes me shake my head, no justification for it. Doubt we will ever get to the bottom of it. Our deadwood is proportionally not much worse than most PL clubs now.

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He is a very skillful player, no question about that but I think that the reason why he didn't feature or didn't appear to get a run out of many different managers at Saints is because I think he was un-coachable to some extent. He seemed to be hard wired to try the same type of move each time he got the ball regardless of the situation. He didn't appear to have any situational awareness and would try to go around another player when an easy pass or shot was on or shoot from a really tight angle when the easy pass was on. Must have been infuriating for managers, as it was for fans.

I played with guys like that. Coach would say, "I want you to stop trying to cut inside and shoot, they've read it and are easily stopping you, mix it up a bit" but then said player would still do it over and over again.

In the highlight videos we watched of Boufal he had a ton of space to try his tricks and would even mess a few up but get away with it because the defending was so poor. In the premier league you can't get away with that. He was found out and couldn't (or wouldn't) adapt.

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20 hours ago, SuperSAINT said:

Made a BIG saving on the overall wage bill when you think:

Yoshi / Cedric / PEH / Reed / Lemina / Carrillo / Hoedt % / Boufal

Have all gone.

Does anyone have an estimate of the total wages saved here?

 

Edit - I see its been estimated as 350k. No further questions M'luds.

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2 hours ago, OttawaSaint said:

He is a very skillful player, no question about that but I think that the reason why he didn't feature or didn't appear to get a run out of many different managers at Saints is because I think he was un-coachable to some extent. He seemed to be hard wired to try the same type of move each time he got the ball regardless of the situation. He didn't appear to have any situational awareness and would try to go around another player when an easy pass or shot was on or shoot from a really tight angle when the easy pass was on. Must have been infuriating for managers, as it was for fans.

I played with guys like that. Coach would say, "I want you to stop trying to cut inside and shoot, they've read it and are easily stopping you, mix it up a bit" but then said player would still do it over and over again.

In the highlight videos we watched of Boufal he had a ton of space to try his tricks and would even mess a few up but get away with it because the defending was so poor. In the premier league you can't get away with that. He was found out and couldn't (or wouldn't) adapt.

agree with this summary To a certain extent ala Lemina, boufal was a player that wanted to take everyone on himself with often unnecessary tricks at the wrong times instead of playing to someone in a better position! He definitely had Lots of natural talent with the ball but no football brain in terms of knowing where everyone else is on the pitch

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1 minute ago, Mr X said:

I agree with this summary To a certain extent ala Lemina, boufal was a player that wanted to take everyone on himself with often unnecessary tricks at the wrong times instead of playing to someone in a better position! He definitely had Lots of natural talent with the ball but no football brain in terms of knowing where everyone else is on the pitch 

You have both got it right. I manage at a rather lower level of football but the problem appears at every level. Players who think being skilful, having tricks is enough. It really isn't. Indeed what make you a footballer is understanding the context in which to use that skill. Boufal - who has made me smile at times which is nice - just didn't get it. Compare with Le Tiss who was the ultimate team player. Extravagant goal on - yeh lets take it - but not on lets slip in Gordon Watson (yes Gordon fucking Watson!)

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3 hours ago, OttawaSaint said:

He is a very skillful player, no question about that but I think that the reason why he didn't feature or didn't appear to get a run out of many different managers at Saints is because I think he was un-coachable to some extent. He seemed to be hard wired to try the same type of move each time he got the ball regardless of the situation. He didn't appear to have any situational awareness and would try to go around another player when an easy pass or shot was on or shoot from a really tight angle when the easy pass was on. Must have been infuriating for managers, as it was for fans.

I played with guys like that. Coach would say, "I want you to stop trying to cut inside and shoot, they've read it and are easily stopping you, mix it up a bit" but then said player would still do it over and over again.

In the highlight videos we watched of Boufal he had a ton of space to try his tricks and would even mess a few up but get away with it because the defending was so poor. In the premier league you can't get away with that. He was found out and couldn't (or wouldn't) adapt.

Basically when going forward he would not or could not get his head up to see what was on around him. Obviously several managers hoped or thought they could coach this out of him, but they couldn't, it is his style or a trait. He was extremely skilful, no doubt, but skill is not enough in a team. He was also by far the best of our AMs at defending, certainly better than Redmond or Tadic, but he was here to create and he couldn't. Wish him well, but glad to see him gone, big mistake. He will do OK in a less intense league. 

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4 hours ago, OttawaSaint said:

He is a very skillful player, no question about that but I think that the reason why he didn't feature or didn't appear to get a run out of many different managers at Saints is because I think he was un-coachable to some extent. He seemed to be hard wired to try the same type of move each time he got the ball regardless of the situation. He didn't appear to have any situational awareness and would try to go around another player when an easy pass or shot was on or shoot from a really tight angle when the easy pass was on. Must have been infuriating for managers, as it was for fans.

I played with guys like that. Coach would say, "I want you to stop trying to cut inside and shoot, they've read it and are easily stopping you, mix it up a bit" but then said player would still do it over and over again.

In the highlight videos we watched of Boufal he had a ton of space to try his tricks and would even mess a few up but get away with it because the defending was so poor. In the premier league you can't get away with that. He was found out and couldn't (or wouldn't) adapt.

He's an odd player, like you say he's very skilful, probably the most skilful player at the club. But he was lacking other attributes. I'd agree with you that his awareness and general football brain was poor, that can't be coached and that's what you're born with really. He's what I'd call a luxury player, someone you can throw on and let the showboats come out - but you need time and space to do that and this league doesn't really afford that luxury.

The lack of suitors says it all really. He's ended up at Angers because whilst he's talented, he lacks other key ingredients to be a top level player.

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11 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

Hopefully he’s found a level where he can deliver consistently, for his own sake if nothing else. 

Think it s more about a style of play and league than level. Just not suited to the PL, it happens.

he s always had the level to shine.

He ll be at a top european club in the next 2 years.

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8 minutes ago, stevy777_x said:

He’ll be at a top european club in the next 2 years.

I wish him well... but no.

 

In 4 years here he scored against WBA... who got relegated, Boro.... who got relegated, Sunderland... who got relegated and Spurs.... who were 5-0 up and already in the pub. He’ll do well in Ligue 1 and there’s no shame in that but he’s not about to suddenly light up Europe.

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1 minute ago, Lighthouse said:

I wish him well... but no.

 

In 4 years here he scored against WBA... who got relegated, Boro.... who got relegated, Sunderland... who got relegated and Spurs.... who were 5-0 up and already in the pub. He’ll do well in Ligue 1 and there’s no shame in that but he’s not about to suddenly light up Europe.

I think we get you don't rate him!    I do, but he was not suited to the Prem and didn't get the trust/faith from a couple of poor Managers.

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16 minutes ago, stevy777_x said:

Think it s more about a style of play and league than level. Just not suited to the PL, it happens.

he s always had the level to shine.

He ll be at a top european club in the next 2 years.

Yet we couldn’t sell him, having to give him away. Can’t believe these top clubs didn’t snap him up then.

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1 hour ago, stevy777_x said:

Think it s more about a style of play and league than level. Just not suited to the PL, it happens.

he s always had the level to shine.

He ll be at a top european club in the next 2 years.

Top club in an obscure league, maybe. He's not going to make it at the top level.

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1 hour ago, Convict Colony said:

Boufal has an Turkish or Serie A major team vibe for me.

Could see him at Galatasary like team

Not me I have never signed him on football manger. 

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