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Boufal definitely better as an impact sub, and so far most of Djenepo's best performances have been from the bench as well.

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Really disappointed he didn't offer more against Huddersfield. You have to wonder if we are ever going to get much out of him, beyond a handful of cameo appearances every season. Must be so frustrating for RH and the coaching staff.

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Really disappointed he didn't offer more against Huddersfield. You have to wonder if we are ever going to get much out of him, beyond a handful of cameo appearances every season. Must be so frustrating for RH and the coaching staff.

 

He had very little service, in fairness. He made a number of runs, but Romeu just wasn't on his wavelength. He became more frustrated with those around him as the game went on. Suspect if he'd been playing in front of Bertrand, Cedric or Armstrong, it might have been a different outcome.

Plus, any time he did get the ball, Huddersfield lept on him far quicker than anyone else. They'd obviously been briefed, and knew that it was probably going to be a game where he had a point to prove, so nulified the threat. It wasn't a good game of football at all.

 

It feels like he keeps being given chances, but I don't actually think he does. He's limited to these little cameo appearances, and never seems to get 90mins. He and Djenepo are genuinely exciting players, and both have the ability to be ruthless, but I worry that the majority of his teammates aren't dialled in to Boufal's mental tactics.

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He must be pretty p4ssed off by now. Ralph rarely starts him and when he is brought on it's usually only for 20 minutes or so towards the end when usually we have withdrawn into our defensive shell to survive the inevitable last 10 minutes blitzkrieg of the opposition. Doesn't really give the lad a chance.

 

Still seems to me that having a big engine is all that matters to Ralph, finesse seems lost on him and so Armstrong gets the nod over Boufal for example. Mourinho commenting on our recent match against Spurs said that it was more like a fight than a football match and he called it about right, Ralph's team is like the big bad wolf, he'll huff and he'll puff until he knocks your house down.

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He must be pretty p4ssed off by now. Ralph rarely starts him and when he is brought on it's usually only for 20 minutes or so towards the end when usually we have withdrawn into our defensive shell to survive the inevitable last 10 minutes blitzkrieg of the opposition. Doesn't really give the lad a chance.

 

Still seems to me that having a big engine is all that matters to Ralph, finesse seems lost on him and so Armstrong gets the nod over Boufal for example. Mourinho commenting on our recent match against Spurs said that it was more like a fight than a football match and he called it about right, Ralph's team is like the big bad wolf, he'll huff and he'll puff until he knocks your house down.

 

But that’s ok. Boufal is a talented player but if he’s not going to suit our style of play so be it. Personally I feel he COULD fit and be a good player for us, but equally he hasn’t shown enough to justify building a team round (which is what you’re asking if you think RH’s tactics should change)

 

Equally, although I think his performances earlier in the season warranted a bit more time in the starting eleven, it’s a fair observation that recently he has struggled when starting and has done better coming on late.

 

You do need players like Boufal in this league, but if the likes of Djenepo and Redmond can offer the creativity AND follow instructions better - which is debatable but maybe RH’s opinion - then you can’t blame the manager for his selection. You can’t expect Boufal to be scintillating every match, even though he seems to get criticism whenever he isn’t, but he probably has to do more to justify a starting berth atm.

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He had very little service, in fairness. He made a number of runs, but Romeu just wasn't on his wavelength. He became more frustrated with those around him as the game went on. Suspect if he'd been playing in front of Bertrand, Cedric or Armstrong, it might have been a different outcome.

Plus, any time he did get the ball, Huddersfield lept on him far quicker than anyone else. They'd obviously been briefed, and knew that it was probably going to be a game where he had a point to prove, so nulified the threat. It wasn't a good game of football at all.

 

It feels like he keeps being given chances, but I don't actually think he does. He's limited to these little cameo appearances, and never seems to get 90mins. He and Djenepo are genuinely exciting players, and both have the ability to be ruthless, but I worry that the majority of his teammates aren't dialled in to Boufal's mental tactics.

 

A post full of excuses.

 

In the first half all we did was send the ball up the left, he had plenty of "service", with Danso sat on the right in acres of space being criminally ignored by everyone (yes Danso was a bit shonky once he had the ball, but had more chances of getting it forward if anyone had bothered to pick him out).

 

Don't provide Boufal with get out clauses for a poor performance, he's been given plenty of chances, yet always reverts to type.

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Really disappointed he didn't offer more against Huddersfield. You have to wonder if we are ever going to get much out of him, beyond a handful of cameo appearances every season. Must be so frustrating for RH and the coaching staff.

 

A post full of excuses.

 

 

Don't provide Boufal with get out clauses for a poor performance, he's been given plenty of chances, yet always reverts to type.

 

This thread could be about Fabrice Fernandes, or Gaston... just change the name and insert...

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We need end product!

 

While I love seeing Boufal ghost past three defenders, there is a point where the ball should be released or delivered, and all our 'flair players' sometimes need to sharpen up their decision-making.

There is a limit to how many times Bertrand will sprint up on an overlap expecting a pass, only to discover that the ball has been lost in a second attempt at ghosting past the three.

Call me old school, but showboating should be the exclusive domain of the team that is three-up, not one-down.

I recall Tadic skinning a Chelsea defender, he dummied him about three times, it was brilliant......however, 30 seconds later the ball was in our net.

Hopefully decision-making and end product is being gently-coached into the more skilled members of the squad....

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This thread could be about Fabrice Fernandes, or Gaston... just change the name and insert...

 

Ha, fair point.

 

I really want to see him come good but time is running out. He should be one of the first names on the team sheet based on ability. I know he was injured recently but he needs to step up, much like Tadic did in the second half of 17/18. That's the level of performance we need and should expect from him.

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Boufal definitely better as an impact sub, and so far most of Djenepo's best performances have been from the bench as well.

 

Agree. These two ARE better as impact subs. When they come on with 30 mins to go, the opposition are tired, the crowd is lifted, and we look invigorated.

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A post full of excuses.

 

In the first half all we did was send the ball up the left, he had plenty of "service", with Danso sat on the right in acres of space being criminally ignored by everyone (yes Danso was a bit shonky once he had the ball, but had more chances of getting it forward if anyone had bothered to pick him out).

 

Don't provide Boufal with get out clauses for a poor performance, he's been given plenty of chances, yet always reverts to type.

 

Like I posted about a page back he had consecutive games where he got to the byline and made clear chances one which ings scored vs Everton one which long fluffed .. one which Bertrand didn’t finish but all were great chances created by him also created goal for redmond earlier in the season.. I’m really wondering what some of you guys are watching he has looked better then redmond for 80 percent of the games.

I really must stop reading this thread, one poor performance in a disjointed second string side and the daggers come out for boufal always

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Like I posted about a page back he had consecutive games where he got to the byline and made clear chances one which ings scored vs Everton one which long fluffed .. one which Bertrand didn’t finish but all were great chances created by him also created goal for redmond earlier in the season.. I’m really wondering what some of you guys are watching he has looked better then redmond for 80 percent of the games.

I really must stop reading this thread, one poor performance in a disjointed second string side and the daggers come out for boufal always

 

Blatant cultural discrimination, I think.

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What's his best position even? I wonder if he's better as a No. 10 then a winger?

 

I think he could do a decent job playing up ahead of Ings.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

About 300 miles ahead of Ings... in France.

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Like some of us have said time & time again. A Gaston tribute act, the sooner his contract runs out the better.

 

 

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Like some of us have said time & time again. A Gaston tribute act, the sooner his contract runs out the better.

 

 

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Thought he played well today - and worked hard off the ball too. He was poor v Villa but all other recent performances have shown he adds something to the team. Don’t get the “write him off” verdicts. If you have to criticise players today, what about Shane Long? Valery?

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The recurring theme with Boufal 'Frustrating, he could offer me' - he can't though, can he. It's been years of the same from him, flattering.

 

He is not suited to this league, end of. He will never, ever be a success in this league. He'll be a decent player in another league, but he's never a £20m player as we shelled out.

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Too slow in decision making. He's so skilful but it's not going to happen.

 

Look at Redmond - a frustrating player whose end product isn't quite good enough, but he's hugely missed because he's still involved in far more goals than Boufal. I can see Redmond improving further and he's been mostly good under Ralph. But I can't see Boufal even getting to Redmond's standard. .

 

The way we play I'm fine with Redmond, Armstrong and Djenpo, we just need one more in there for next season. Bowen would have been perfect but guess money is tight

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If was hilarious when after beating a player he lost the ball to a player laying on the floor. Sums him up.

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Too slow in decision making. He's so skilful but it's not going to happen.

 

Look at Redmond - a frustrating player whose end product isn't quite good enough, but he's hugely missed because he's still involved in far more goals than Boufal. I can see Redmond improving further and he's been mostly good under Ralph. But I can't see Boufal even getting to Redmond's standard. .

 

The way we play I'm fine with Redmond, Armstrong and Djenpo, we just need one more in there for next season. Bowen would have been perfect but guess money is tight

 

Just wanted to check this and redmond has played nearly 13.5 games more than boufal time wise this season.

 

He has 3 goals 1 assist and Boufal 2 assists 0 goals so I'd say their output is both poor and I'd take an updgrade on both but we have more pressing issues elsewhere.

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Just wanted to check this and redmond has played nearly 13.5 games more than boufal time wise this season.

 

He has 3 goals 1 assist and Boufal 2 assists 0 goals so I'd say their output is both poor and I'd take an updgrade on both but we have more pressing issues elsewhere.

 

Redmond tends to the the pass before the assist, he transitions defence to attack and puts players in positions where they can be dangerous, unlike Boufal who runs into players and loses the ball most of the time. Redmond is probably our second or third most valuable player after Ings and maybe JWP, there is a reason we have had such a downturn in form and quality without him.

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He is one of those players that you know can be better, so you keep waiting and every now and then, you will get flashes of what might be.

But it is never going to materialise into anything consistent.

We keep waiting and we keep hoping, but we are wasting our time, he is never going to make it in this league.

Exactly the same as Gaston and look what happened to him. He left us and did nothing, no one missed him and it would be the same with Boufal.

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He's not good enough, simple as that. He has no pace to beat a man and when he does he tries to beat them again. His delivery is always under or over hit.

 

An amazing 5 a side player, not a great premier league player.

 

Get rid in the summer.

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He's not good enough, simple as that. He has no pace to beat a man

 

This is nonsense. He had more successful take ons than Messi (or anyone else in La Liga) last season.

 

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This is nonsense. He had more successful take ons than Messi (or anyone else in La Liga) last season.

 

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That's why every club in the world wants to sign Boufal then, as he must be good as Messi. Look at his chances created, big chances created, goals etc and he will be nowhere near the leader board.

 

You can put stats like that up, but these are pointless stats. He has no end product, you may as well have a freestyler play for us.

 

69 appearances in the league for us and has 3 goals/4 assists.

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This is nonsense. He had more successful take ons than Messi (or anyone else in La Liga) last season.

 

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But his complete absence from all other stats demonstrates his inability to do anything with the ball once he's beaten a defender.

 

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That's why every club in the world wants to sign Boufal then, as he must be good as Messi. Look at his chances created, big chances created, goals etc and he will be nowhere near the leader board.

 

You can put stats like that up, but these are pointless stats. He has no end product, you may as well have a freestyler play for us.

 

69 appearances in the league for us and has 3 goals/4 assists.

 

You have to remember that stats is all MLG understands.

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Tbf to MLG he's only responding to the point someone made that boufal cannot beat a man, which he clearly can.

 

We all know there's no end product after he's beaten that man!

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This is nonsense. He had more successful take ons than Messi (or anyone else in La Liga) last season.

 

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And Celta Vigo were nearly relegated.

 

Boufal's "take ons" were about as useful as a chocolate teapot.

 

Aimlessly ****ing around with the ball is not a quality.

 

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Tbf to MLG he's only responding to the point someone made that boufal cannot beat a man, which he clearly can.

 

We all know there's no end product after he's beaten that man!

 

Unless he is lying on the floor

 

 

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Simply not enough 'end product'. Yes, hes a skillful player, there's no doubt about that - but 9 times out of 10 there's nothing at the end of it. Time to mag to grid for me I'm afraid.

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The perfect example of this was on Saturday first half, he expertly got to the byline and then whipped in a cross so hard and to no one. He really produce an opportunity out of nothing but then completely threw it away with such a shocking cross. We would be better off him not creating as we become more vulnerable when he does eventually **** it up.

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If was hilarious when after beating a player he lost the ball to a player laying on the floor. Sums him up.

 

Yep. Blew past 2 players and then ran right into a player that was effectively out of the game. Ruined a very good attack too. Sums him up. Headless chicken. Passes when he has a free look at goal, shoots when there are open teammates. No-one knows what he's going to do, probably not even him.

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Exactly as above. Last seasons stats deceive by way that Boufal will often beat a man or two and then lose the ball trying to do too much/running out of play or a poor decision with the pass/cross.

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But his complete absence from all other stats demonstrates his inability to do anything with the ball once he's beaten a defender.

 

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TBF all the other stats are Messi........

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Yep. Blew past 2 players and then ran right into a player that was effectively out of the game. Ruined a very good attack too. Sums him up. Headless chicken. Passes when he has a free look at goal, shoots when there are open teammates. No-one knows what he's going to do, probably not even him.

 

Have said it all along, Boufal is a talented footballer, he 's even quite goo defensively, but he has a fundamental flaw in his game, that is he never looks up and so has no awareness of what is going on around him. Unless or until he can be coached out of that (and it seems like it can' t) he will never be a successful professional footballer contributing to the team. It is a team game and he is unable to be a team player.

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Didn't see the game past about 25 minutes but I find Glen's match reports to be generally fair and often reflect my thoughts when I have seen the game. He says in his latest blog that Boufal worked hard and did well even if the game didn't suit him much. Surprised me to read that given the comments on here.

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Didn't see the game past about 25 minutes but I find Glen's match reports to be generally fair and often reflect my thoughts when I have seen the game. He says in his latest blog that Boufal worked hard and did well even if the game didn't suit him much. Surprised me to read that given the comments on here.
I have agreed that he worked hard defensively, which is good to see but not his prime function, which is to be creative.

 

As has been said many times, his weakness is that after beating one or more players, there's no vision. If he doesn't get a shooting chance it's unlikely he'll find a useful pass.

 

Maybe there's hope as Redmond used to be like that. But I fear Boufal is a much slower learner.

 

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I have agreed that he worked hard defensively, which is good to see but not his prime function, which is to be creative.

 

As has been said many times, his weakness is that after beating one or more players, there's no vision. If he doesn't get a shooting chance it's unlikely he'll find a useful pass.

 

Maybe there's hope as Redmond used to be like that. But I fear Boufal is a much slower learner.

 

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Right, thanks. Given we had 10 men and seemed to trying to salvage something from the game, does he not deserve credit for putting a shift in rather than pelters because he didn’t create anything?

 

Pretty sure one justification for Redmond’s place in the team - of which I don’t dispute - is that he might not get many goals or assists but he is a better “team” player and works hard...

 

There was a match recently - Burnley? - where we needed Boufal to step up creatively and he didn’t, so fair enough. Just doesn’t seem like this is the right game to single him out for.

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Right, thanks. Given we had 10 men and seemed to trying to salvage something from the game, does he not deserve credit for putting a shift in rather than pelters because he didn’t create anything?

 

Pretty sure one justification for Redmond’s place in the team - of which I don’t dispute - is that he might not get many goals or assists but he is a better “team” player and works hard...

 

There was a match recently - Burnley? - where we needed Boufal to step up creatively and he didn’t, so fair enough. Just doesn’t seem like this is the right game to single him out for.

That's fair.

 

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He also gave the ball away repeatedly with passes that should have been simple and conceded stupid freekicks and the penalty.

 

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Right, thanks. Given we had 10 men and seemed to trying to salvage something from the game, does he not deserve credit for putting a shift in rather than pelters because he didn’t create anything?

 

Pretty sure one justification for Redmond’s place in the team - of which I don’t dispute - is that he might not get many goals or assists but he is a better “team” player and works hard...

 

There was a match recently - Burnley? - where we needed Boufal to step up creatively and he didn’t, so fair enough. Just doesn’t seem like this is the right game to single him out for.

 

No, he doesn’t. Nobody deserves credit for simply ‘putting a shift in’, that’s the absolute bare minimum I’d expect from any player. That’s how we’ve ended up in this mess, crap players like Long and Boufal who ‘put a shift in’ are seen as being worthy of praise, when in their actual role of setting up and scoring goals they are terrible.

 

Armstrong puts a shift in and is good. We are a noticeably better team with him in it, as we were with Stephen Davis. As a team we’ve put in many awful attacking performances with Boufal on the pitch.

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No, he doesn’t. Nobody deserves credit for simply ‘putting a shift in’, that’s the absolute bare minimum I’d expect from any player. That’s how we’ve ended up in this mess, crap players like Long and Boufal who ‘put a shift in’ are seen as being worthy of praise, when in their actual role of setting up and scoring goals they are terrible.

 

Armstrong puts a shift in and is good. We are a noticeably better team with him in it, as we were with Stephen Davis. As a team we’ve put in many awful attacking performances with Boufal on the pitch.

 

I just meant that previously people used to criticise him for not putting a shift in, and when he has a good game from a defensive point of view - in a match where the team’s focus was on defending - he gets criticised for not being creative.

 

I’m disappointed with him second half of this season, but it just seems to me some people are looking for any excuse to slate him.

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I just meant that previously people used to criticise him for not putting a shift in, and when he has a good game from a defensive point of view - in a match where the team’s focus was on defending - he gets criticised for not being creative.

 

I’m disappointed with him second half of this season, but it just seems to me some people are looking for any excuse to slate him.

 

TBH I really can’t remember all that many people ever actually criticising him for being lazy. That’s never been the accusation, more that he has a poor attitude towards team play. He often looks like he’s playing for himself and by the time he’s shown everyone he can beat a man, 6 more have got back to defend.

 

There’s no excuse to slate him, he’s just not actually done anything since she’s been here. A couple of screamers against crap teams when he first signed, that’s about it.

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TBH I really can’t remember all that many people ever actually criticising him for being lazy. That’s never been the accusation, more that he has a poor attitude towards team play. He often looks like he’s playing for himself and by the time he’s shown everyone he can beat a man, 6 more have got back to defend.

 

There’s no excuse to slate him, he’s just not actually done anything since she’s been here. A couple of screamers against crap teams when he first signed, that’s about it.

 

When is his contract up, next season? He hasn't done enough to earn another one, and I can't see that he'd be desperate to stay anyway, so pretty sure we won't have him much longer. His time with us has definitely been disappointing, can't argue that. However I think he has had some decent moments - of all our poor signings, he has at least had some good games (I've been to two matches this year, and he did well in both). Plus after a fair bit of turmoil he at least came back this season, worked hard and contributed. He might not have been a great signing but he hasn't been one of the worst!

 

Always thought he had potential, but not sure if he will ever fulfil it. But Jack Stephens was pretty poor for years, to the extent that I was pretty confident we would lose if he played, and he seems to have miraculously turned a corner. Maybe that's temporary, maybe it's because he's a centre half, but it shows it can happen. I'll always want every Saints player to be good, just feels like quite a few people on here almost want Boufal to be rubbish. Also, that screamer he scored against West Brom - they may have been a crap team, but we couldn't break them down until he did what he did, wasn't like he scored the last goal in a 5-0 win!

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Like I posted about a page back he had consecutive games where he got to the byline and made clear chances one which ings scored vs Everton one which long fluffed .. one which Bertrand didn’t finish but all were great chances created by him also created goal for redmond earlier in the season.. I’m really wondering what some of you guys are watching he has looked better then redmond for 80 percent of the games.

I really must stop reading this thread, one poor performance in a disjointed second string side and the daggers come out for boufal always

 

One performance? Only seeing comments based on his whole time here myself.

 

Backed him time and again and he just lets you down. Poor decision making, anonymous games, pushed off the ball too much. I just don't think he's going to improve. He was really hit and miss in Spain too so his reputation seems based on one good Ligue 1 season ages ago now.

 

Djenpo seems more raw with a bit more pace and power that could be utilised. I get why he's inconsistent. But Boufal has been around a while and played in three decent leagues. When fully fit Redmond and Armstrong are decent, I'd rather investment was on a partner for Ings as create plenty of chances with them in a 4222. Djenepo is there for competition. That's an area we could gamble on a younger winger rather than a first team signing.

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And Celta Vigo were nearly relegated.

 

Boufal's "take ons" were about as useful as a chocolate teapot.

 

Aimlessly ****ing around with the ball is not a quality.

 

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To be fair, that list was posted in response to someone saying he never beat a player. It was wrong. So in this case MLG was right and could back it up.

 

Whether or not Boufal creates any end result is beside the point and would be pointless to comment on with regard to what he wrote.

 

 

 

 

As someone who has watched very little football this year, I have no idea what to think of Boufal. From this forum, I had been led to believe that he was probably our best player and should start more, but now it seems he's a waste of space and should never start.

 

It's pretty tough these days anyway to say who needs more time to settle in properly and who needs dropping. Stephens, Bednarek, JWP, Redmond and Armstrong are all players now being lauded after they were once considered not good enough. Gunn, Hoedt and Vestergaard are widely considered to be a waste of space now, but will maybe one day be in the same position.

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