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55 minutes ago, skintsaint said:

Jimenez would have been pie in the sky.....didn't he cost Wolves £35m to sign?

Wolves had him on loan initially in the summer of 2018, albeit with a £30m clause in it.

There's a small possibility he may have cost less when we signed Gudio. At the end of the day I think we had that level of fee to potentially use.

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On 11/08/2020 at 15:07, S-Clarke said:

There needs to be some sort of investigation into Carrillo and Pellegrino. Something seriously dodgy going on there, and whilst we're at it sue him for £19m

But it’s no excuse for the club to blame it all on Pellegrino because ultimately it was someone above him who signed off on this ridiculous transfer. It’s still astounding to me that the club would spend that amount of money on a player so closely linked to a manager who they were already getting close to sacking! Just shows how badly the club’s transfer policy had gone off the rails at that point.

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1 minute ago, Saint Pete said:

But it’s no excuse for the club to blame it all on Pellegrino because ultimately it was someone above him who signed off on this ridiculous transfer. It’s still astounding to me that the club would spend that amount of money on a player so closely linked to a manager who they were already getting close to sacking! Just shows how badly the club’s transfer policy had gone off the rails at that point.

And that clearly many of the club's recruitment people didn't rate, making it an absurd decision all round, a player you haven't scouted properly, not on your shortlist and you just go with the manager's choice who is already underperforming (and should have been sacked by then anyway).

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On Jimenez to be fair he hardly had a stellar goal record before his move to Wolves, he had 31 in 120 for Benfica, and 1 goal in 21 for Atletico Madrid, so us signing him I don't think was pie in the sky but obviously the agent links were the problem more than anything. 

I mean probably if we had signed him a lot of would have been questioning the signing considering his goal record, and you never know he might not have worked out, considering the state the club was in at the time, we were hardly a free flowing confident team. Whereas Wolves were after getting promoted and were then boosted by some big signings. 

Probably a hard situation for any player from another country to come into, come straight into the PL in a relegation threatened team, in a new country, not speaking the language, half way through the season and then be expected to score the goals to keep them up. And then the manager you joined for, gets sacked within 10 games of you being there, have to feel a little sorry Carrillo to be fair (though i am sure the money helps). 

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Guido Carrillo or Raul Jimenez....

Suck me sideways. That is unbelievable, even if remotely true.  That is not the actions of a well run club of the time.  Thank god Les and more so, Ross have long gone.

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If anyone has actually read the article it just says we had watched Jimenez but the chance of signing him was very small due to his involvement with Jorge Mendez.

It doesnt suggest we signed Carillo instead of Jimenez as a conscious choice.

It does say that a high profile recruiment person threatened to quit over the signing and were persuaded that Carillo would be our striker for a long time after Pellegrino would leave. 

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16 minutes ago, Batman said:

Guido Carrillo or Raul Jimenez....

Suck me sideways. That is unbelievable, even if remotely true.  That is not the actions of a well run club of the time.  Thank god Les and more so, Ross have long gone.

The article sounded like the unnamed “senior source close to recruitment department” trying to distance himself from it...

Article states Jimenez wasn’t possible anyway.

Horrendous signing regardless.

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23 minutes ago, Dusic said:

If anyone has actually read the article it just says we had watched Jimenez but the chance of signing him was very small due to his involvement with Jorge Mendez.

It doesnt suggest we signed Carillo instead of Jimenez as a conscious choice.

It does say that a high profile recruiment person threatened to quit over the signing and were persuaded that Carillo would be our striker for a long time after Pellegrino would leave. 

Sadly that’s proving to be the case, can’t get rid of the useless lump.

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The best thing you can say about the deal was that it was only a relatively short contract which expires end of this season. 

Imagine if it was a 5 year deal. 

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1 hour ago, Saint Pete said:

But it’s no excuse for the club to blame it all on Pellegrino because ultimately it was someone above him who signed off on this ridiculous transfer. It’s still astounding to me that the club would spend that amount of money on a player so closely linked to a manager who they were already getting close to sacking! Just shows how badly the club’s transfer policy had gone off the rails at that point.

IIRC and IMHO, the fans had gone right off Pelegrino and we wanted him out. The directors, however, wanted to stand by their man and hoped that bringing in the striker he nominated would improve results and so get the fans back onside. But … he didn't score in first few games and the clamour for Pelegrino got too much and the Board finally gave him his P45. Now we had no manager and a misfiring striker. It was a £19M gamble and it backfired.

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What a team we’d have had though if all the players Les and Ross nearly signed had. Jimenez, Maddison, McGuire, Promes to name but 4. Such a shame we ended up with Carillo, Elyanoussi, Lemina and co instead.

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We didn't nearly sign Jiminez. The article makes it clear we'd tracked him but had no real chance of getting the player due to his agent. 

Maddison was close and would have been an amazing signing but we couldn't compete with Leicester offering him more money and European football.

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Still think he's fine if a 5m sort of try hard extra option, especially with 2 up front. Not his fault we paid an insane sum for him. Seems to have hurt his career too.

Although if you want to score goals don't play for Pellegrino. Saw a couple of Leganes games where he was alone up front entirely, no support and balls lumped long to him. 

But spending 19m on a player we hadn't tracked and staff thought wasn't good enough was insane. Hope we're past that now. I get it if it's a loan or small ish fee but club record signings need thinking out. Guess we did similar for Poch with Osvaldo and Puel with Boufal, albeit with slightly more tracking and thought. But still huge amounts that didn't work. Ramirez at least felt like a thought out gamble that didn't pay off. 

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23 hours ago, adriansfc said:

Guess we did similar for Poch with Osvaldo and Puel with Boufal, albeit with slightly more tracking and thought. 

In some ways it’s welcome that the club backed the manager and signed someone he wanted against the wishes of everyone else. In principle that can be a good sign, it’s just the wrong manager this time. I’m sure there’s examples where a manager insisted on a player against the scouting team, and that player turned out a success. Pelle was clearly a Koeman signing, it would be interesting to know what the recruitment committee discussed with that one. 
 

It’s all well and good the recruitment guys washing their hands of this one, making it known how bad it was. However bad this one was , some of the ones tracked with more thought were just as god damn awful. 

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On 21/08/2020 at 09:49, Batman said:

Guido Carrillo or Raul Jimenez....

Suck me sideways. That is unbelievable, even if remotely true.  That is not the actions of a well run club of the time.  Thank god Les and more so, Ross have long gone.

Its all well and thinking Jimenez would have been a great signing in hindsight but before he joined Wolves he was a striker with a 1 in 5 record playing for one of the best teams in a league that is not one of Europes top 5 and probably a level below the PL. He also was not a first team regular for them either. 

Which is why Wolves probably signed him on loan initially.

If we'd signed a back up striker from Benfica who had a 1 in 5 record I doubt many would be hailing him as an amazing signing, he pretty much would have been as big a gamble as Carrillo was. 

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48 minutes ago, tajjuk said:

Its all well and thinking Jimenez would have been a great signing in hindsight but before he joined Wolves he was a striker with a 1 in 5 record playing for one of the best teams in a league that is not one of Europes top 5 and probably a level below the PL. He also was not a first team regular for them either. 

Which is why Wolves probably signed him on loan initially.

If we'd signed a back up striker from Benfica who had a 1 in 5 record I doubt many would be hailing him as an amazing signing, he pretty much would have been as big a gamble as Carrillo was. 

Very true but also begs the question of why we didn't sign Carrillo on loan with an option. 

 

I can't think of many examples of us doing this (Danso, Ings and Alderweireld spring to mind) but it's becoming more common in the past few seasons. 

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3 minutes ago, UpweySaint said:

Very true but also begs the question of why we didn't sign Carrillo on loan with an option. 

 

I can't think of many examples of us doing this (Danso, Ings and Alderweireld spring to mind) but it's becoming more common in the past few seasons. 

Because Monaco knew we were desperate.

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What beggars belief is way back when we were sniffing around him, most of us clowns with an opinion on Saints and football in general had our doubts about Carrillo from the sparse and uninspiring YouTube “promotional” videos pinging about. So if a bunch of idiots who are easily fleeced to watch football can spot the bloke is pretty much a steaming pile of a player, how the hell do a bunch of folk highly paid working in the inner sanctum of football, not spot that this guy was not worth anywhere near the club record fee that was stumped up for him...........let alone buy a player to give a manager who was clearly way out of his depth in the a premier league one last chance. Yup most of this has been said already in the umpteen posts in this thread.

Absolute car crash

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3 minutes ago, John Boy Saint said:

What beggars belief is way back when we were sniffing around him, most of us clowns with an opinion on Saints and football in general had our doubts about Carrillo from the sparse and uninspiring YouTube “promotional” videos pinging about. So if a bunch of idiots who are easily fleeced to watch football can spot the bloke is pretty much a steaming pile of a player, how the hell do a bunch of folk highly paid working in the inner sanctum of football, not spot that this guy was not worth anywhere near the club record fee that was stumped up for him...........let alone buy a player to give a manager who was clearly way out of his depth in the a premier league one last chance. Yup most of this has been said already in the umpteen posts in this thread.

Absolute car crash

Don’t forget for everyone who saw it had disaster written all over it there were some who claimed he had a goal scoring rate of one in two.

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On 23/08/2020 at 00:19, Turkish said:

Don’t forget for everyone who saw it had disaster written all over it there were some who claimed he had a goal scoring rate of one in two.

2011–2015 Estudiantes 118 (28)
2015–2016 Monaco B 1 (0)
2015–2018 Monaco 65 (15)

Were there? Interesting to look back at that thread.

Personally, I looked at his wikipedia page at the time and the goals to games ratio made me very concerned. Obviously you get your James Beattie's that take a while before becoming prolific, but you don't break your transfer record on the chance he `might' come good. You spend it on a goalscorer, with a decent record in a lessor league. 

 

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On 22/08/2020 at 23:43, Archers Road Stand said:

Because Monaco knew we were desperate.

They certainly saw Old Les coming. I read a Monaco fans' forum at the time and they were absolutely amazed that they were getting that much for him. They thought he was worth no more than £5 mill. Talking of transfer fees,  Mané  is currently valued at more than £120 mill. In fact, taking the age of players like Messi and Ronaldo into account, he is probably the most valuable player in the world.

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18 minutes ago, Chez said:
2011–2015 Estudiantes 118 (28)
2015–2016 Monaco B 1 (0)
2015–2018 Monaco 65 (15)

Were there? Interesting to look back at that thread.

Personally, I looked at his wikipedia page at the time and the goals to games ratio made me very concerned. Obviously you get your James Beattie's that take a while before becoming prolific, but you don't break your transfer record on the chance he `might' come good. You spend it on a goalscorer, with a decent record in a lessor league. 

 

The rationale went something along the lines of if you take out games he didn't start, was subbed off, played more than 60 minutes then he's got a great record. It was hilarious. 

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7 minutes ago, Nordic Saint said:

They certainly saw Old Les coming. I read a Monaco fans' forum at the time and they were absolutely amazed that they were getting that much for him. They thought he was worth no more than £5 mill. Talking of transfer fees,  Mané  is currently valued at more than £120 mill. In fact, taking the age of players like Messi and Ronaldo into account, he is probably the most valuable player in the world.

They were right. Do you remember all the self back slapping when the deal went through? How hard they had to work to get him and it was a hard deal to do etc. I bet was only hard to do because Monaco thought it was a wind up

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25 minutes ago, Chez said:
2011–2015 Estudiantes 118 (28)
2015–2016 Monaco B 1 (0)
2015–2018 Monaco 65 (15)

Were there? Interesting to look back at that thread.

Personally, I looked at his wikipedia page at the time and the goals to games ratio made me very concerned. Obviously you get your James Beattie's that take a while before becoming prolific, but you don't break your transfer record on the chance he `might' come good. You spend it on a goalscorer, with a decent record in a lessor league. 

 

I seem to remember the vast majority of people had their doubts from the beginning. There was probably some smarty pants trying to be quirky by engineering his goal per minutes ratio to look good but it’s not the forum mantra Turkish has been endlessly reminding us of for the last 2.5 years.

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2 minutes ago, Turkish said:

They were right. Do you remember all the self back slapping when the deal went through? How hard they had to work to get him and it was a hard deal to do etc. I bet was only hard to do because Monaco thought it was a wind up

Surprised the deal didn't make it onto BBC Watchdog Rogue Traders - Some foreign Johnnies taking advantage of a gullible old man and his idiot nephew fleecing them out of all their savings for "something that was not even worth half what they paid" -  said the expert hidden in the cupboard under the stairs watching the secret camera footage.

When things are looking gloomy in the Monaco boardroom, I bet all someone has to do is mention Carrillos name and they all cheer up.

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I suppose that for the sake of balance, it should be pointed out that we signed VVD for £12m around the time that John Stones and David Luiz were being sold for £50mil (ish).

Sure the Carrillo signing was a disaster but every team has their good and bad ones and over the last decade we've probably been above average at least !!

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3 minutes ago, eurosaint said:

I suppose that for the sake of balance, it should be pointed out that we signed VVD for £12m around the time that John Stones and David Luiz were being sold for £50mil (ish).

Sure the Carrillo signing was a disaster but every team has their good and bad ones and over the last decade we've probably been above average at least !!

Spot on. It’s as if every success was nothing to do with Les but every failure down to him. Cakeism 

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5 minutes ago, eurosaint said:

I suppose that for the sake of balance, it should be pointed out that we signed VVD for £12m around the time that John Stones and David Luiz were being sold for £50mil (ish).

Sure the Carrillo signing was a disaster but every team has their good and bad ones and over the last decade we've probably been above average at least !!

Yes agreed but coupled with Gunn, Hoedt, Lemina, Boufal, Elynoussi, Clasie, Forster extension as well no wonder we are stuffed for signings

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7 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Officially our worst signing ever? 

Considering Ali Dia never actually signed, and Osvaldo actually managed to get on the scoresheet before losing his head, I think we can safely say that's true. 

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3 hours ago, Sheaf Saint said:

Considering Ali Dia never actually signed, and Osvaldo actually managed to get on the scoresheet before losing his head, I think we can safely say that's true. 

Dia  never cost us a penny other than maybe a couple of quid in wages and Osvaldo actually looked like a quality footballer until he went mental.

Carillo was known garbage when we got him (Look at that goal scoring record in Argentina!) cost us a record transfer fee and clearly is on wages that make him un-affordable to the sort of clubs who actually want him.  He is clearly our worst signing by a country mile if you take into account ability, impact and cost.  The others people have mentioned in this thread at least had the possibility of being decent (Lemmina, Boufal etc) Carrillo was obviously garbage! 

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9 minutes ago, Dr. Kucho said:

Will the club post a compilation of his highlights on social media when he leaves? 

His header at Burnley back into the path of Gabiadini via a defender missing the ball was vintage saints and always how i will fondly remember him

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To be fair, why wouldn't they wish him well? If someone offered you (and let's be honest, whoever you are, you're probably not that much worse than Guido...) a ridiculous amount of money to join a Premier League club, you'd take it, and wouldn't be too fussed about moving on to a less well paid job. I don't think he's done anything but TRY to be good. Unfortunately he hasn't been good enough but not through any fault of his own.

He is a name I'm sure we'd all rather forget about, but it is firmly on those in charge at the club who deserve any wrath over this rather than the player himself!

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19 minutes ago, mrfahaji said:

To be fair, why wouldn't they wish him well? If someone offered you (and let's be honest, whoever you are, you're probably not that much worse than Guido...) a ridiculous amount of money to join a Premier League club, you'd take it, and wouldn't be too fussed about moving on to a less well paid job. I don't think he's done anything but TRY to be good. Unfortunately he hasn't been good enough but not through any fault of his own.

He is a name I'm sure we'd all rather forget about, but it is firmly on those in charge at the club who deserve any wrath over this rather than the player himself!

Agreed. TBF if the club have put a Tweet out like this, it means he’s been pretty amenable in the negotiations to pay off his contract and expect he’s foregone some cash that was owed to him.

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That transfer is going to be hurting us financially for a few years to come. Massive loss on that one, a criminal use of the VVD funds - that should have been used to build a legacy, but we splurged it on guys like him who we now have to let go as a freebie.

Glad he's gone, but christ, what a huge financial disaster for us. It's like we threw £20m out of the stadium and into the river Itchen for laughs.

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8 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

That transfer is going to be hurting us financially for a few years to come. Massive loss on that one, a criminal use of the VVD funds - that should have been used to build a legacy, but we splurged it on guys like him who we now have to let go as a freebie.

Glad he's gone, but christ, what a huge financial disaster for us. It's like we threw £20m out of the stadium and into the river Itchen for laughs.

Probably more like £35m allowing for his wages. Criminal. 

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32 minutes ago, mrfahaji said:

To be fair, why wouldn't they wish him well? If someone offered you (and let's be honest, whoever you are, you're probably not that much worse than Guido...) a ridiculous amount of money to join a Premier League club, you'd take it, and wouldn't be too fussed about moving on to a less well paid job. I don't think he's done anything but TRY to be good. Unfortunately he hasn't been good enough but not through any fault of his own.

He is a name I'm sure we'd all rather forget about, but it is firmly on those in charge at the club who deserve any wrath over this rather than the player himself!

This.

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I don’t have a problem with the guy, ok so he may not have been good enough, but at least he tried. I’ve seen some go through the motions and take the piss. I don’t think he was as bad as some made out. Suffered more ridicule than deserved because of who signed him and the extortionate fee, neither of which were his fault.  

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