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interesting the different tones in those two stories (Guardian and Telegraph) to what has gone before. Both seem to suggest that Spurs hold many, if not all the cards and will low ball us knowing that's where the player wants to go. Havjng set a £25m benchmark, now Spurs know what to under cut. I wonder if Saints will try to play hard ball and refuse any offer below that figure despite knowing that they will have an unhappy player and an asset that will depreciate to £0 in 12months time? The game of poker begins, but the concept of a bidding war looks to have ended.  Watch the tone of the KWP transfer change in the near future to that of Spurs not needing to sell and Saints desperate to land their man. The reality is that Spurs want Hoj (the board won't want to disappoint Mourinho) and don't want KWP (the board want to free up wages).

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36 minutes ago, Chez said:

interesting the different tones in those two stories (Guardian and Telegraph) to what has gone before. Both seem to suggest that Spurs hold many, if not all the cards and will low ball us knowing that's where the player wants to go. Havjng set a £25m benchmark, now Spurs know what to under cut. I wonder if Saints will try to play hard ball and refuse any offer below that figure despite knowing that they will have an unhappy player and an asset that will depreciate to £0 in 12months time? The game of poker begins, but the concept of a bidding war looks to have ended.  Watch the tone of the KWP transfer change in the near future to that of Spurs not needing to sell and Saints desperate to land their man. The reality is that Spurs want Hoj (the board won't want to disappoint Mourinho) and don't want KWP (the board want to free up wages).

Possibly, though the Spurs board don't seem to have had keeping managers happy high on their list of priorities in previous windows. Levy just seems to have a mantra of always underpay and always oversell, and if either of those can't be achieved, he gets out of the market.

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1 hour ago, Chez said:

interesting the different tones in those two stories (Guardian and Telegraph) to what has gone before. Both seem to suggest that Spurs hold many, if not all the cards and will low ball us knowing that's where the player wants to go. Havjng set a £25m benchmark, now Spurs know what to under cut. I wonder if Saints will try to play hard ball and refuse any offer below that figure despite knowing that they will have an unhappy player and an asset that will depreciate to £0 in 12months time? The game of poker begins, but the concept of a bidding war looks to have ended.  Watch the tone of the KWP transfer change in the near future to that of Spurs not needing to sell and Saints desperate to land their man. The reality is that Spurs want Hoj (the board won't want to disappoint Mourinho) and don't want KWP (the board want to free up wages).

If the fee really is that low I would like to see us hold our ground. He'll want a 'big' move as a free agent next year so should still be a useful asset.

 

I think we need to remember that, as much as we are loathe to lose players on a free, you're summary in your last sentence is spot on. If spurs honestly think they can land a proven prem CM, previous skipper and key international for pennies they need a reality check - despite many on here who don't rate him he stills holds value.

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Amateur hour at Saints courtesey of Jordan Sibley coming up with some fake everton bid and telling journos.

Spurs will just play the long game here as the player only having one year left means peanuts will be on offer.

 

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5 hours ago, SuperSAINT said:

 

So, appears yesterday's story that he had agreed terms with Everton was bull then?

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1 minute ago, Saint Pete said:

So, appears yesterday's story that he had agreed terms with Everton was bull then?

Yup. 

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Was there a story hed agreed terms with Everton? I only saw stories that Everton had a bid accepted.

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1 minute ago, CB Fry said:

Was there a story hed agreed terms with Everton? I only saw stories that Everton had a bid accepted.

In the Echo yesterday. 

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Posted (edited)

What makes you think it's bull? He can agree terms in principle with more than one club before signing.

Edited by DuncanRG

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Pretty obvious that Saints leaked the story about PEH and Everton to get Spurs to come to the table with a serious offer.

Notice Dan Sheldon today wording it like this:

..."with the Daily Echo being led to believe Hojbjerg has visited their Finch Farm training base and agreed personal terms."

The other day it was:

"PIERRE-EMILE Hojbjerg has visited Everton’s training ground and agreed to personal terms after Saints accepted their £25million offer."

Led to believe by Saints and handily reporting it.

 

 

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1 minute ago, Dusic said:

Pretty obvious that Saints leaked the story about PEH and Everton to get Spurs to come to the table with a serious offer.

Why would Saints think Spurs would be influenced by a newspaper report in a multi million pound business transaction?

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In the last few hours Hojbjerg 'liked' this tweet which isn't very professional of him as that becomes public when he does so.

 

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2 minutes ago, Saint Garrett said:

Its not like it's a surprise, he's always said he wants Spurs.

Not publicly he hasn't. 

Articles saying he wants to join Spurs is not the same as the player liking Tweets that say he wants to join Spurs.

Edited by Matthew Le God

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6 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

Not publicly he hasn't. 

Articles saying he wants to join Spurs is not the same as the player liking Tweets that say he wants to join Spurs.

thats gonna go down well if Spurs pull out and he goes to Everton. Doesnt take much to upset them and that certainly will

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He also has Southampton Football Club captain in his bio, that needs updating. 

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1 hour ago, beatlesaint said:

thats gonna go down well if Spurs pull out and he goes to Everton. Doesnt take much to upset them and that certainly will

He would just say his phone was unlocked in his pocket or whatever. 

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1 hour ago, Matthew Le God said:

In the last few hours Hojbjerg 'liked' this tweet which isn't very professional of him as that becomes public when he does so.

 

I know players do this - but do it after the seasons finished. 

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1 minute ago, Toadhall Saint said:

Has he gone yet? Yawn 🥱 

Will probably rumble on.

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He really isn't a good enough player to warrant all this faffing.

Lets hope he just clears off imminently in a way that frees up enough funds to get KWP in.

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2 minutes ago, the saint in winchester said:

Sadly yes, this will rumble on.

PEH wants to join THFC, KWP wants to join SFC. Should be easy to grant those two wishes … yet it will rumble on.

The deals can be done independently from each other. Plus transfer window isn't even open yet.

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7 minutes ago, the saint in winchester said:

Sadly yes, this will rumble on.

PEH wants to join THFC, KWP wants to join SFC. Should be easy to grant those two wishes … yet it will rumble on.

simple, that's what every one wants, what's the problem? KWP has a spark about him PEH has lost his. Let's be 'having yer

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8 minutes ago, Dellman said:

simple, that's what every one wants, what's the problem? KWP has a spark about him PEH has lost his. Let's be 'having yer

Because Levy has us exactly where he wants us. Hojbjerg only wants to go to Spurs. Saints can't afford to let him go for nothing, so without any alternative suitors (assuming Hojbjerg refuses Everton) then the most likely outcome at the moment is for Spurs to underpay for Hojbjerg and Saints to overpay (or don't buy) KWP. Levy has us by the balls and will wait and wait because he knows that we will get more desperate the closer we get to the end of the transfer window. He has history of this.  He is proper business man and this isn't football manager.

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To be fair, he did spend £30m on Moussa Sissoko on transfer deadline day four years ago.

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Very true, but not sure that we want to play hardball until the last day of the transfer window as Newcastle did nor do I think our finances are up to waiting that long if we want a replacement. I fear the worst here. I suspect Spurs, agent and Hojbjerg are all working in tandem and we are going to struggle to get close to £20m (never mind £25m).  Let's hope I'm wrong.

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1 hour ago, WALK DMC said:

Because Levy has us exactly where he wants us. Hojbjerg only wants to go to Spurs. Saints can't afford to let him go for nothing, so without any alternative suitors (assuming Hojbjerg refuses Everton) then the most likely outcome at the moment is for Spurs to underpay for Hojbjerg and Saints to overpay (or don't buy) KWP. Levy has us by the balls and will wait and wait because he knows that we will get more desperate the closer we get to the end of the transfer window. He has history of this.  He is proper business man and this isn't football manager.

He’d like to think so. Personally I’d call his, PEH’s and the agent’s bluff by offering Reed a new contract and appointing PEH captain - of the U23s next season. Eg your career can rot for a season if you don’t start acting in a professional manner and have your go-for tell Spurs to pay up or chip a bit off the price for KWP. Think you will find PEH will need to force Mourinho’s hand a bit if that’s who he really wants in the summer. 

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1 hour ago, saint1977 said:

He’d like to think so. Personally I’d call his, PEH’s and the agent’s bluff by offering Reed a new contract and appointing PEH captain - of the U23s next season. Eg your career can rot for a season if you don’t start acting in a professional manner and have your go-for tell Spurs to pay up or chip a bit off the price for KWP. Think you will find PEH will need to force Mourinho’s hand a bit if that’s who he really wants in the summer. 

Would be very poor business to take that action rather than just accept 15-20million now and move on! 

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3 minutes ago, djharvey said:

Would be very poor business to take that action rather than just accept 15-20million now and move on! 

£20m perhaps, but anything less and I'd be inclined to tell him he's staying. 

Are Denmark in the Euros ? If so doubt he'll want to stagnate too much.

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1 minute ago, Badger said:

£20m perhaps, but anything less and I'd be inclined to tell him he's staying. 

Are Denmark in the Euros ? If so doubt he'll want to stagnate too much.

Yes they are

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6 minutes ago, Badger said:

£20m perhaps, but anything less and I'd be inclined to tell him he's staying. 

Are Denmark in the Euros ? If so doubt he'll want to stagnate too much.

Yes, Denmark are one of the hosts.

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1 minute ago, Whitey Grandad said:

Yes, Denmark are one of the hosts.

Being hosts isn't the reason they are in the finals. Host city countries are not guaranteed a spot.

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8 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

Being hosts isn't the reason they are in the finals. Host city countries are not guaranteed a spot.

I was trying to be concise and I failed.

I should have said, “Yes, and Denmark are one of the hosts.”

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19 minutes ago, djharvey said:

Would be very poor business to take that action rather than just accept 15-20million now and move on! 

Not saying that’s what the club should do or will do but to have it as a genuine option lets other clubs know that there isn’t an old duffer/5ft tall kid doing our transfer negotiating any more. I want to move on as well but not prepared to let PEH and his agent dictate and Levy think he can take the pee on that and KWP. He said he wanted a CL club which Spurs aren’t at present 

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I’d say Saints hold a good few cards. Not need to hold our nerve. If Spurs don’t match Everton’s offer, he has the choice of going to Everton or staying at Saints. 
 

In practice, if Spurs get within an inch of the Everton offer, you might accept it if you want to help facilitate the KWP transfer.

But, as a rule, if you do have two offers on the table, you don’t accept the lower one. Especially if it’s much lower.

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1 hour ago, SaintBobby said:

I’d say Saints hold a good few cards. Not need to hold our nerve. If Spurs don’t match Everton’s offer, he has the choice of going to Everton or staying at Saints. 
 

In practice, if Spurs get within an inch of the Everton offer, you might accept it if you want to help facilitate the KWP transfer.

But, as a rule, if you do have two offers on the table, you don’t accept the lower one. Especially if it’s much lower.

I guess we might take a lower offer based on the payment structure. For example Everton are offering 25m over 3 years whereas Spurs are offering 20m over 2. From a cash flow perspective you might accept Spurs offer. 

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8 minutes ago, MarkSFC said:

I guess we might take a lower offer based on the payment structure. For example Everton are offering 25m over 3 years whereas Spurs are offering 20m over 2. From a cash flow perspective you might accept Spurs offer. 

Sure, just price in any delay/staging

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2 hours ago, SaintBobby said:

I’d say Saints hold a good few cards. Not need to hold our nerve. If Spurs don’t match Everton’s offer, he has the choice of going to Everton or staying at Saints. 
 

In practice, if Spurs get within an inch of the Everton offer, you might accept it if you want to help facilitate the KWP transfer.

But, as a rule, if you do have two offers on the table, you don’t accept the lower one. Especially if it’s much lower.

I agree. There comes a point (with every place being worth about 2.5m) it wouldn’t be worth selling against a weakened squad. Let’s hope the KWP price is already agreed. Spurs are sure to try and pull our pants down as they always do..

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If the story in The Echo is correct - that Hojberg has agreed to go Everton for £25m -  that's certainly more than I expected.  If his aim was to sign for one of the top six, he seems to have missed the target, something that he does too often on the field.  .  

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6 hours ago, SaintBobby said:

I’d say Saints hold a good few cards. Not need to hold our nerve. If Spurs don’t match Everton’s offer, he has the choice of going to Everton or staying at Saints. 

yes, but if he stays then we are down £25m, then come next summer we have £0 to work with to sign his replacement. Saints do not want that. It's very bad business.

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2 hours ago, Chez said:

yes, but if he stays then we are down £25m, then come next summer we have £0 to work with to sign his replacement. Saints do not want that. It's very bad business.

Plus we have to pay him his wages.

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4 hours ago, Chez said:

yes, but if he stays then we are down £25m, then come next summer we have £0 to work with to sign his replacement. Saints do not want that. It's very bad business.

That's the nature of a negotiation though. You don't negotiate from your worst case scenario, but you do need to risk your worst case scenario.

If we accept the Everton offer and he stays, then maybe we make clear he will be trainign with the kids and not selected to play for the full year. Potentitally we lose £25m. Potentially he loses a chance at a meaningful career.

A lot of it is who blinks first. All sides have a lot to gain and a lot to lose.

On the logic that the worst case scenario is we get zero, you might as well accept £1 now.....

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The idea of him staying for a year and just training with the kids is absurd and will not happen in any scenario.

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17 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

The idea of him staying for a year and just training with the kids is absurd and will not happen in any scenario.

Not least because nobody at the club has an issue with him. Manager, board, players. All happy. If he stays, he'll play. Only people in this thread who have riled themselves up whilst scrolling through the posts on here have an actual problem with him. Club are keen to sell, player is keen to leave, both are trying to quicken it up and are using Everton to do so.

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5 hours ago, CB Fry said:

The idea of him staying for a year and just training with the kids is absurd and will not happen in any scenario.

Absolutely - you don't let players get down to only a year left on their contracts and then try and hardball who they can sign for. At the very least, it would absolutely kill our reputation as a reasonable stepping stone club for talented young players.

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It's all a game of bluff essentially. And who blinks first. The worst case scenarios never/rarely happen, but you get to a happy compromise by keeping them in play.

 

Let's hope we get £25m for him. Would be very good business.

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His comments on hoping to join Spurs may lead to Everton withdrawing their offer. Then Spurs come in and offer £15M, and with no other offer on the table, we will have to accept that.

So, not sure we hold any or all the cards here.

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