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Except he played several after Leicester before his mystery illness.

One very bad game when everyone else played badly, when he has also has had very good games is hardly cause for writing him off.

I’m fine with replacing Cedric with someone with some experience, just not with someone who’s not done well and has little real experience.

 

I’m going by Ralph favouring Soares who openly said he’s leaving so it illustrates Ralph lack of faith in Valery & I personally think he tackling and tracking is cr*p, which is fairly important for a defender. He can be good going forward & play some decent passes but that’s not enough to be classed a good FB. I think replacing Soares with a better, ball winning, high energy RB is high on the club’s agenda.

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It only would make any sense if we have already decided he's not good enough and are buying a replacement.

 

If there is truth that the club want to sell him against the managers wishes, it's really time for Ralph to stand up and insist Adams doesn't leave before a replacement that Ralph approves is signed. Otherwise we would all know what would happen here!

Yes we do. I'm getting a a sense of deja vu, all over again. A year ago the club loaned out Cedric and did not bring in a replacement. A gamble which fortunately paid off. Getting rid of Adam's, hoping Ings doesn't get injured and not bringing in a goalscorer, would be an even bigger and stupider gamble.

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Not sure about Walker-Peters, Poch played Aurier and Foyth over him, and Aurier is a terrible full back and Foyth is a centre-back. Now Mourinho has played Aurier and gave a debut to an 18 year old at right back against Liverpool instead of playing him.

 

Walker-Peters was the 22nd-best player on the pitch against Newport County in the FA Cup 4th Round in 2018/19 and I don't think he's improved since. I wouldn't touch him with a 50ft pole.

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that concerns me too. He was a good prospect, but there seems little faith in him at this time. Very young still, so still time to develop, but if he is to be first choice next season then we will need him to fulfil his promise quickly

 

Is 22 very young?

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Is 22 very young?

 

Not really, and honestly I know there are some doubts about Valery, but he clearly showed in the 2nd half of last season he has a lot of talent and was a big part of turning things around under Ralf after Huges was sacked, some top performances in there. From what I have seen of Walker-Peters, and the fact he seemingly has been over looked by two top coaches and can't get a place ahead of a very dodgy full back in Aurier, I am struggling to see how a guy 2 years older who has shown less promise than Valery is worth getting.

 

I know Valery has had problems this year, but who knows the full details, maybe this virus has been affecting him the whole time and it only got diagnosed recently? Some viruses can be really nasty and drain people of their energy, constant headaches etc. whilst not showing masses of physical signs so he could have looked fit to play but really wasn't and is now being ruled out until he can get rid of it.

 

Long term I think he'll be a good player, seems to have all the attributes needed to be a good modern full back, but he needs to learn and improve his defending, which will take time and experience.

 

Replace Cedric like for like, as in Cedric is the senior player and first choice, so we need a new first choice right back, who then has Valery challenging him for a place.

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Not really, and honestly I know there are some doubts about Valery, but he clearly showed in the 2nd half of last season he has a lot of talent and was a big part of turning things around under Ralf after Huges was sacked, some top performances in there. From what I have seen of Walker-Peters, and the fact he seemingly has been over looked by two top coaches and can't get a place ahead of a very dodgy full back in Aurier, I am struggling to see how a guy 2 years older who has shown less promise than Valery is worth getting.

 

I know Valery has had problems this year, but who knows the full details, maybe this virus has been affecting him the whole time and it only got diagnosed recently? Some viruses can be really nasty and drain people of their energy, constant headaches etc. whilst not showing masses of physical signs so he could have looked fit to play but really wasn't and is now being ruled out until he can get rid of it.

 

Long term I think he'll be a good player, seems to have all the attributes needed to be a good modern full back, but he needs to learn and improve his defending, which will take time and experience.

 

Replace Cedric like for like, as in Cedric is the senior player and first choice, so we need a new first choice right back, who then has Valery challenging him for a place.

 

Glandular Fever is one exmple of what is a possible viral infection could have and I wouldnt wish it on anyone. Thats a nasty example of a viral infection that can have quite a bit of longevity.

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Is it one of those wobbly VAR lines?

 

It must've been a Phil Jones style crossing of the line, face first and mostly still stuck there.

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its taking as long as VAR to announce....

 

It will probably be off side too

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Not many signings about generally. Think clubs are wising up to it a bit, going for loans or going with what they have. Too much panic money thrown at things. We got our success by looking at players for the next few years and developing them and need to stick with that.

 

Guess we'll loan a full back and that'll be about it. Summer we need more at CM, CB, full back and another attacker. But 4 decent signings over the summer while shipping out the deadwood is far more feasible.

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Not many signings about generally. Think clubs are wising up to it a bit, going for loans or going with what they have. Too much panic money thrown at things. We got our success by looking at players for the next few years and developing them and need to stick with that.

 

Guess we'll loan a full back and that'll be about it. Summer we need more at CM, CB, full back and another attacker. But 4 decent signings over the summer while shipping out the deadwood is far more feasible.

 

The last few summers would suggest otherwise!

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Not many signings about generally. Think clubs are wising up to it a bit, going for loans or going with what they have. Too much panic money thrown at things. We got our success by looking at players for the next few years and developing them and need to stick with that.

 

Guess we'll loan a full back and that'll be about it. Summer we need more at CM, CB, full back and another attacker. But 4 decent signings over the summer while shipping out the deadwood is far more feasible.

 

I remember similar being said a few seasons back which deferred through multiple, virtually inactive, transfer windows until the last summer which was lauded as the big rebuild and we barely even bolstered the defence so I won’t get overly excited. I’d have liked to have seen some decisive action by mid January yet still no movements. Let’s hope things are quietly progressing in the background due to the sensitive nature of football (and some forum members, with ‘members’ being the operative word)

 

I’m still keen on Maehle above others. Unsure why. Just seems more PL ready.

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I remember similar being said a few seasons back which deferred through multiple, virtually inactive, transfer windows until the last summer which was lauded as the big rebuild and we barely even bolstered the defence so I won’t get overly excited. I’d have liked to have seen some decisive action by mid January yet still no movements. Let’s hope things are quietly progressing in the background due to the sensitive nature of football (and some forum members, with ‘members’ being the operative word)

 

I’m still keen on Maehle above others. Unsure why. Just seems more PL ready.

 

After our early season form I think we would all have liked to have seen a defender or two come in early in January. However as we are currently 3 wins from 3 this calendar year, I think the club has bought themselves some breathing space. As long as a player or two is in by February 1st, the second half of the season we will be stronger.

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Mourinho has let a lot of good players leave who go on to better things. Personally I'd put more faith in the fact Poch rated him.

 

But what does it mean for Valery? Would Cedric leave? Valery loaned out or sold?

 

KWP feels like more of a summer signing if Cedric goes. We don't want to instantly disrupt the back 4 and KWP wants to move to play.

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After our early season form I think we would all have liked to have seen a defender or two come in early in January. However as we are currently 3 wins from 3 this calendar year, I think the club has bought themselves some breathing space. As long as a player or two is in by February 1st, the second half of the season we will be stronger.

 

Agreed. As long as a player or arrives before the window shuts, we should be ok.

 

I've been considering all this Leeds interest and Bielsa talk. If Bielsa is so keen on Che Adams that Leeds have made him their number one target, it should give us enough reason enough to hang onto him. Bielsa is no fool. A genuine workaholic genius in my eyes. He has also shown recently that he's finding his feet as the winning goal at Leicester proved. If we cash in on Adams purely for the sake of money (with no upgrade) then we truly are an idiotic club.

 

Losing Adams would be a big mistake. The more I reflect, the more I feel Leeds interest should alert us to the skills of Adams. He may not have scored but he’s been an important part of our turnaround, as has been Armstrong and Long

 

Adams retains the ball really well & appears to have a good brain. We need to keep all of the above and concentrate on a proven CB and cover for full back positions in my opinion. Stephens & Bednarek have finally formed a convincing partnership, but I fear we still lack a really top CB to Marshall the defence properly.

A commanding voice at the base of the midfield (address that in summer) should be our second priority. Full back positions are essential as we are always one injury away from a crisis. If key players in key positions in which we are thin in depth (i.e. Ings, Soares or Bertrand), we could easily slip back into the doldrums. Just a thought.

 

That is all. I was also trying to be concise ;)

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The last few summers would suggest otherwise!

 

I said decent! I think/hope hope hope we've learned out lesson.

 

But who knows. I trust Ralph more anyway. Ings signing good, I still don't mind Adams and he's not that pricy in todays market really. Not all signings the last few years have been poor either, Armstrong, Djenepo, Bednarek all good.

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Mourinho has let a lot of good players leave who go on to better things. Personally I'd put more faith in the fact Poch rated him.

 

But what does it mean for Valery? Would Cedric leave? Valery loaned out or sold?

 

KWP feels like more of a summer signing if Cedric goes. We don't want to instantly disrupt the back 4 and KWP wants to move to play.

To be honest if KWP is signed now as a loan with option to buy, it would make more sense to let Cedric leave now (assuming Cedric is still committed to leaving at end of season anyway). That way Ralph will see enough of him in action to decide whether to sign permanently. Obviously also depends what's going on with Valery's fitness.

 

From a selfish short term fan view, I would prefer if Cedric stayed as we seem to have finally sorted the defence for now. But probably makes more sense strategically to plan ahead if he's off.

 

 

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Is it wise to have all these "WPs" in the team? We have a JWP and now possibly a KWP. I hope those in charge of recruitment will continue to build our team working through the rest of the alphabet for other WPs. I also have to question what happened to AWP through to IWP.

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Personally would not be a fan of that. Don't rate him and think he isn't quick enough for the PL.

 

Would have to question why Fulham would sell their main LB for a relatively paltry £7m.

 

Everton get Lucas Digne, we get Joe Bryan. There's a gulf in quality between those two signings. Bertrand has been one of our best ever left backs - we need someone as good as him in the future or we are going to struggle. Again. Penny-pinching will cost us long term.

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Everton get Lucas Digne, we get Joe Bryan. There's a gulf in quality between those two signings. Bertrand has been one of our best ever left backs - we need someone as good as him in the future or we are going to struggle. Again. Penny-pinching will cost us long term.

 

I would question your assessment of Digne, cos he hasn't looked that great on the occasions I've watched him, but I agree we should be looking at better than this lad from Fulham. With him on the left and KWP on the right, we would be looking at a significant downgrade on what we currently have.

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When they came up, Fulham wanted Targett and when they couldn’t get him, they settled for Bryan. If we sell Targett and poss Bertrand (in the summer) and end up with Bryan as first choice, that’s look like poor planning.

 

He was very well respected when at Bristol City, but was pretty rubbish in his only premier league season and is part of a shaky Fulham defence in the Champo

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Bryan would be an awful signing in my opinion. He has a decent cross on him, but that is about it. Can you imagine if we had him LB and Cedric RB, would be the smallest full backs in the league. Teams already target Cedric every game with his lack of height.

 

Walker-Peters would be an excellent loan with an option to buy. He can play both flanks and i've been impressed by him when I have seen him play for Spurs.

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Alex Crook : Can confirm #THFC defender Kyle Walker-Peters is on #SaintsFC list of transfer window targets.

 

 

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Hopefully walker Peters stuff is complete nonsense.

Either that or we get lucky and he goes to palace.

 

Is it a loan? “Come & sit in the bench for 6 months” isn’t a great pitch.

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Kicker says Pongracic has signed Wolfsburg for under 10m euros. Shame if we missed out on a long term target.

 

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Kicker says Pongracic has signed Wolfsburg for under 10m euros. Shame if we missed out on a long term target.

 

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The report says Hasenhuttl really tried to get him in the summer, but that we are no longer interested now.

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Mourinho has let a lot of good players leave who go on to better things. Personally I'd put more faith in the fact Poch rated him.

 

Did he rate him though? I don't remember there being much confidence shown in him by Poch in more recent times?

I'd hope its a loan with a view to buy. Thats a win win for us. He then has the chance to dislodge Cedric during the loan. If he cant at least push him close, then perhaps he is not the guy we need long term.

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Alex Crook : Can confirm #THFC defender Kyle Walker-Peters is on #SaintsFC list of transfer window targets.

 

 

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does SFC or THFC tell Crook anything? Could be the agent being busy promoting/touting his client. Time will tell.

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does SFC or THFC tell Crook anything? Could be the agent being busy promoting/touting his client. Time will tell.

 

He said later nothing agreed or even close so hopefully better targets he can’t even get picked over this youngster tonight

 

 

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Alex Crook : Can confirm #THFC defender Kyle Walker-Peters is on #SaintsFC list of transfer window targets.

 

 

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The club don't reveal things to Crook. His surname is apt, he copies/pastes from other sources or makes things up

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The club don't reveal things to Crook. His surname is apt, he copies/pastes from other sources or makes things up

 

How would you know?

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The club don't reveal things to Crook. His surname is apt, he copies/pastes from other sources or makes things up

 

Who said they did? I just posted what he said on Twitter. The only 100% is the OS.

 

 

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He said later nothing agreed or even close so hopefully better targets he can’t even get picked over this youngster tonight

 

 

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If they do want to sell him why make him cup tied or leave him open to injury?

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KWP would be a good signing IMO. Can play LB almost as well as RB, is fast, good one vs one and still very young. We have been linked the last few windows so have probably followed him for a while.

 

He needs game time but could develop into a good player. Has played well for the England age group teams that are of a high level. A loan with a reasonably priced option would be ideal.

 

Bryan - as a second choice maybe, but with Vokins emerging and Bertrand a far superior player, I don't like this one. He is 26 so presumbly wants to play frequently. Fulham fans don't rate him. Hopefully his Agent is trying to drum up interest in him.

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If they do want to sell him why make him cup tied or leave him open to injury?

 

Agreed but how do teams watch him and decide if not playing he is not even on bench? Players get injured in training or u23s.

We are selling Adams and he gets brought on ;-)

Anyway not sure this is a goer anyway Levy will want a fortune he always does

 

 

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Thought we'd be in for Maehle having been closely linked twice before. Perhaps this potential signing is a victim of Gao being cash strapped.

 

KWP - has any signing from Spurs been that good for us ?

 

LB - the Dutch lad sounded a good prospect, although something didn't stack up there as to why PSG might let him go. Joe Bryan hasn't set the world alight at Fulham despite being rated at Bristol City. We should be aiming higher, although I doubyt we'd be looking to shell out £7m on him.

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Mourinho has let a lot of good players leave who go on to better things. Personally I'd put more faith in the fact Poch rated him.

 

But what does it mean for Valery? Would Cedric leave? Valery loaned out or sold?

 

KWP feels like more of a summer signing if Cedric goes. We don't want to instantly disrupt the back 4 and KWP wants to move to play.

 

I don’t think bringing in the new right back will make any difference, it will improve the squad to have a ball winning RB no doubt.

 

Very good point about having more faith in Poch that Moany-yo-yo. If Jose doesn’t want KWP, there’s a good chance that he’s a bloody good player and, as you say, i’d much rather trust the judgement of Mauricio Pochettino rather than José Mourinho. Look at Jose’s record:

 

Mo Salah, Mata, Robben, Lukaku, Kevin De Bruyne... :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Thought we'd be in for Maehle having been closely linked twice before. Perhaps this potential signing is a victim of Gao being cash strapped.

 

KWP - has any signing from Spurs been that good for us ?

 

LB - the Dutch lad sounded a good prospect, although something didn't stack up there as to why PSG might let him go. Joe Bryan hasn't set the world alight at Fulham despite being rated at Bristol City. We should be aiming higher, although I doubyt we'd be looking to shell out £7m on him.

 

Tommy Forecast. Pekhart. Lowe turned them from youth rejects with no discernible talent into worldbeaters. :lol: At least we didn’t waste anything like football’s world record transfer fee sell on clause for them.

 

Oh, wait..... :rolleyes:

 

I can’t say why, just instinct, but I really like the sound of Maehle. Having said that, I was really keen on & a big advocate for Clasie and I was supremely chuffed for the ambition our old board showed in signing Gaston Ramirez but that didn’t work well did it?! I don’t know why but I wasn’t keen on the PSG guy recently touted. I’ve now completely forgot but who was the guy that was offered to clubs? I would be immediately suspicious when any club offer out a player to other clubs.

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What a depressing quality of player we are being linked to. £35m not looking too true, is it?

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What a depressing quality of player we are being linked to. £35m not looking too true, is it?

 

It's almost as if that claim came from the Daily Express...

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Confirmed here:

 

Have we been linked with any other centre backs? I can’t think of many. I thought Pongracic was a decent fit for us on paper, young, shown how good he is at Salzburg, inexpensive, has worked with Ralph etc. Hey ho, we move on.

 

It definitely seems like we’re penny pinching, I just hope it doesn’t pee Ralph off to the extent he wants out.

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