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Do that and you'll be in the exact same situation because Bertrand will want to leave because he is not playing. Only clubs playing in like the Champions league can realistically have two quality options for each position. We can neither afford the wages or the transfers fees to buy an upgrade on Bertrand when he is probably one of our highest earners, it would just be madness, especially when other areas of the squad need far more attention.

 

I'd rather have a stronger first 11 than a deeper squad, a back up to Bertrand is not going to keep us up, new centre-back and midfielders more likely is.

He has been trying to leave for three years part of the reason we should have replaced him already. We don't have to let him go in Jan anyway. But trying to get through the rest of the season with one LB is mad it has already cost us points this season.

 

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But the idea that we could spend a decent amount to improve a team that is in dire need of improvements isn't that ludicrous.

 

I disagree. The reality is that players in Jan go for vastly inflated fees. Then there's the fact teams don't want to sell their better players in Jan. So its far more likely you'll end up buying the sort of dross we currently have plenty of or even worse another Carrillo.

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I disagree. The reality is that players in Jan go for vastly inflated fees. Then there's the fact teams don't want to sell their better players in Jan. So its far more likely you'll end up buying the sort of dross we currently have plenty of or even worse another Carrillo.
Well that's the fault of the club (again) for not investing properly in the summer. We have to look for proper reinforcements in January because we have little choice unless we are simply accepting relegation.

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Well that's the fault of the club (again) for not investing properly in the summer. We have to look for proper reinforcements in January because we have little choice unless we are simply accepting relegation.

 

I don’t see how signing Carrillo did anything but hinder our progress season after season.

Equally I don’t see not overpaying for Adams in Jan meant we accepted relegation.

Looking across all last january’s Prem Signing the Only the good ones were 2 loans & one of those was outrageously expensive

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Player I’ve had my eye on for a while is playing tonight on Sky... Romaine Sawyers would be a perfect fit for us along side someone like Romeu.

 

Wasn’t sure if he would be able to make the step up, but from this season it’s clear he is. Unfortunately feels like we’ve missed the boat on that one though.

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I don’t see how signing Carrillo did anything but hinder our progress season after season.

Equally I don’t see not overpaying for Adams in Jan meant we accepted relegation.

Looking across all last january’s Prem Signing the Only the good ones were 2 loans & one of those was outrageously expensive

No but just because we made cr*p buys in past January windows is not an excuse for not spending anything now. Ideally we should have strengthened in the summer but given that is no longer an option, I'd rather buy a decent cb in January than simply roll over and die.

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Player I’ve had my eye on for a while is playing tonight on Sky... Romaine Sawyers would be a perfect fit for us along side someone like Romeu.

 

Wasn’t sure if he would be able to make the step up, but from this season it’s clear he is. Unfortunately feels like we’ve missed the boat on that one though.

 

How is it clear he is ready for the step up from playing in the best team in the CHAMPIONSHIP?

Players are brought up from there and don't make it but you will never know till they are given the chance

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How is it clear he is ready for the step up from playing in the best team in the CHAMPIONSHIP?

Players are brought up from there and don't make it but you will never know till they are given the chance

 

Is your sad little life that boring that you just try to start an argument over anything on an Internet forum :lol:

 

But it’s clear because he is significantly better than ANY CM we have. Good on the ball, good going forwards, not too bad defensively either. A proper box to box player which we don’t have, and need.

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Is your sad little life that boring that you just try to start an argument over anything on an Internet forum :lol:

 

But it’s clear because he is significantly better than ANY CM we have. Good on the ball, good going forwards, not too bad defensively either. A proper box to box player which we don’t have, and need.

 

 

And too old for us

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Is your sad little life that boring that you just try to start an argument over anything on an Internet forum :lol:

 

But it’s clear because he is significantly better than ANY CM we have. Good on the ball, good going forwards, not too bad defensively either. A proper box to box player which we don’t have, and need.

 

He moves on if you fully ignore him. He uses the "lamesaint" username too occasionally.

 

My advice just ignore both of his trolling accounts.

 

on Romaine Sawyers he will go up with WBA this season. He wouldn't swap for us now

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Yeah, Sawyers is a West Brom lad and working well with a good manager in Bilic. Didn't realise he was 28 though, thought he was younger than that.

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Is your sad little life that boring that you just try to start an argument over anything on an Internet forum :lol:

 

But it’s clear because he is significantly better than ANY CM we have. Good on the ball, good going forwards, not too bad defensively either. A proper box to box player which we don’t have, and need.

 

Sorry quitter but if you think that post is trying to start an argument then you are a bit of a touchy boy. :lol:

the post you make out is only realy your blinkered opinion nithing more

He is champoinship player (currently) he could be good in the PL but its not a given and its not clear he is better than ours untill he has proved it, so calm down knub nuts

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He moves on if you fully ignore him. He uses the "lamesaint" username too occasionally.

 

My advice just ignore both of his trolling accounts.

 

on Romaine Sawyers he will go up with WBA this season. He wouldn't swap for us now

 

The big Troll triggered, your ignore set up is clearly not working is it ? probably a lie like you betting bull shyte :lol:

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It was interesting to see a Watford, a club I’ve always considered to be a small premier league club/middle sized championship club were able to sign a player for £30m this summer and have spent £90m more than they’ve made from sales in the last five years whilst we had to sell to buy players this summer and all the ones before that.

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It was interesting to see a Watford, a club I’ve always considered to be a small premier league club/middle sized championship club were able to sign a player for £30m this summer and have spent £90m more than they’ve made from sales in the last five years whilst we had to sell to buy players this summer and all the ones before that.

 

Watford still had to sell someone for 18m in order to be able to bring in Sarr.

Saints bought £52m, sold 24m this season

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Watford still had to sell someone for 18m in order to be able to bring in Sarr.

Saints bought £52m, sold 24m this season

 

What about the previous couple of seasons regarding Saints?

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Watford still had to sell someone for 18m in order to be able to bring in Sarr.

Saints bought £52m, sold 24m this season

 

Gabbiadini £12m, Austin £4m, Gallagher £5m, target £17m is a lot more than £24m pal.

 

we bought Adams £16m, djenepo £15m, Ings came out of last seasons budget so actually £38m earnt and £31m spent.

 

This year Watford spent £36m and sold £19m

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According to transfermarkt

-38m 18/19

+37m 17/18

 

How do you explain Watford have spent £90m more than they’ve sold over the last 5 years whilst we’ve made a profit?

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How do you explain Watford have spent £90m more than they’ve sold over the last 5 years whilst we’ve made a profit?

 

Well you included 15/16, their first season up wasn’t it?when they accrued 66m of that. Most teams do that, accessing tv money whilst their wage bills probably are lower.

 

Then there’s the fact their wage bill is probably lower than ours.

Then there’s the fact they aren’t owned by GAO.

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How do you explain Watford have spent £90m more than they’ve sold over the last 5 years whilst we’ve made a profit?

 

We pay more in wages. Its not all about transfer fees

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Well you included 15/16, their first season up wasn’t it?when they accrued 66m of that. Most teams do that, accessing tv money whilst their wage bills probably are lower.

 

Then there’s the fact their wage bill is probably lower than ours.

Then there’s the fact they aren’t owned by GAO.

 

We pay more in wages. Its not all about transfer fees[/

 

Interesting theory. Don’t we always say that lots of players are ruled out due to wages. So Do we pay more wages than Bournemouth who have a £133m spend or West Ham who

Have a £155m spend or Leicester who have a £112’ positive spend in the same period we’ve made a profit yet still have to sell to buy?

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No one has ever been able to explain why we have to sell players to buy them, the only club that has to do this. It's incredible, our wage bill is high but 10th out of premier league clubs but lower than Crystal Palace £56m net spend) Leicester (£112m Net spend) and only slightly more than Bournemouth (£133m net spend) West Ham (£155m net spend) and Newcastle (£107m). Agents fess, bonuses and NI contributions are a load of bo1locks as everyone else has to pay them.

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No one has ever been able to explain why we have to sell players to buy them, the only club that has to do this. It's incredible, our wage bill is high but 10th out of premier league clubs but lower than Crystal Palace £56m net spend) Leicester (£112m Net spend) and only slightly more than Bournemouth (£133m net spend) West Ham (£155m net spend) and Newcastle (£107m). Agents fess, bonuses and NI contributions are a load of bo1locks as everyone else has to pay them.

 

Because we’re a balance sheet football club and in this day and age at our level, unless you’re really lucky, you won’t survive with that mentality.

 

We could still act as a stepping stone club, but Unless you’re willing to spend c.25-30m on potential, you’re gonna drop eventually.

 

Basically, it’s penny pinching and it’s not worked.

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My Xmas list for New Year would be:

 

A decent Centre Half - £20m+ (lose any of our current mob apart from possibly Bednerak?)

A left footed midfielder/attacker - £15m ish (possibly lose Armstrong?)

with a bit of pace

A tall forward, good in the air - £5m/£10m (lose Shane Long?)

(not necessarily a starter)

 

Cant see any of this happening unfortunately despite the fact that we have approx £75m of 'Talent' out on loan ie Forster/Elonouyssi/Carillo/Hoedt/Lemina

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= first priority is right back and centre back

Next I think goalkeeper, McCarthy flapping costs is goals at man city arsenal and again today

Then extra central midfielder

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I don't think a midfielder is anywhere near top of Ralph's January transfer wishlist. I think he believes jwp, Armstrong, hoj and rom is good enough to beat the drop. well I guess we'll find out soon enough.

 

I think best we could hope for is a backup LB, possibly also a RB IF the greatest RB ever Cedric leaves for real Madrid or Barcelona. That maehle fella looking pretty decent this season as well I see.

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= first priority is right back and centre back

Next I think goalkeeper, McCarthy flapping costs is goals at man city arsenal and again today

Then extra central midfielder

 

First priority must be centre back as it has been for seasons. Danso was a total waste when we were crying out for upgrades and he had only ever been played out of position. Utterly bizarre, as is many of our decisions in this seemingly rudderless ship. I’m hoping Crocker can steady us away from the rocks but I can’t see is avoiding relegation as predicted from the start of the season when we neglected our defence for a third season. We had been sussed by the opposition & went on a third season with this bunch. Unbelievable neglect, incompetency or naivety to not learn from your mistakes and riding your luck. Heed your warnings.

 

I’d also invest in top quality coaching staff starting at goalkeeping coaches as all our young goalkeepers with great potential are deteriorating at SFC. Look at Forster now, even Gazzaniga improved at Spurs but I won’t hold my breath for Tommy Forecast. That was a Lowe purchase so beyond redemption. ;o) We really need to look at our GK coaching.

 

Ideally in Jan, CB, RB and if possible, a robust bulldozer of a midfielder. Breaking up the play but adept at passing well.

 

I don’t expect any of it but if we don’t sign a CB and prevent throwing away further (relegation battle) matches (& points), CONTINUALLY, we are as good as relegated. I don’t see three worse teams. Our defence is the worst in the league.

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My list in order of priority hasn't much changed since earlier posts, and is probably similar to most people's:

 

CB

RB

LB

DM

 

Centre Back has to be addressed. The problem is we have tons of crap ones on the books sucking up the wages and TBF, we need a top class Centre Back to come in which requires superb scouting - something we've not been great at for years.

 

Right Back - again we already have two which is an issue, but Cedric is a liability and Valery is the future. Cedric needs to be sold/loaned out and a new one brought in.

 

Left Back - OK we have Bertrand as a starter, but he's been far from his best for some time now, and with no back up left back seemingly as Ralph is unwilling to try Vokins, we end up playing out of position players there. If anything I'd be bringing someone in that could ultimately displace Bertrand as first choice.

 

Defensive Midfield - If the centre backs are going to continue to ship goals, then a brick ****house Wanyama-esque defensive midfielder is needed. But then Ralph seems unwilling to play the only one we have on the books in Romeu, so I think this will be less high up on the priority list.

 

 

The attack is fine, I can't see anything happening there, which is a shame as I would be all over Bowen otherwise. Goalkeeper? Well we are supposed to have two good ones on the books, but they've both been poor this year. Still I can't see anything happening there. If Gunn is the future, maybe we should just play him - he'd certainly be first choice in the Championship if we go down.

 

I can't see 4 players being brought in in January, so even if we bring 2 in, it needs to be a right back and centre back.

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I mean really we need -

 

CB (probably two)

RB

LB (back up)

GK (older one while Gunn develops IMO and one better than McCarthy)

2 DMs (playmaker one and proper mobile physical one)

AM (playmaker in Tadic style)

Target man.

 

Which is whole team.

 

But a CB has to be the priority, someone with some leadership and physical presence, but also some pace.

And then probably a full back for the right side, we know Cedric is leaving anyway and he doesn't seem to be putting it fully in (though not as bad as some are making it out) and Valery is still very work in progress.

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The attack is fine, I can't see anything happening there

 

Is it? Pretty much all of our goals have been scored by one player who has a history of missing large parts of the season through injury.

 

What's the plan if that happens again, as we must imagine there's a decent chance.

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I don't think a midfielder is anywhere near top of Ralph's January transfer wishlist. I think he believes jwp, Armstrong, hoj and rom is good enough to beat the drop. well I guess we'll find out soon enough.

 

I think best we could hope for is a backup LB, possibly also a RB IF the greatest RB ever Cedric leaves for real Madrid or Barcelona. That maehle fella looking pretty decent this season as well I see.

 

Yeah he has looks like a key piece of our jigsaw.

 

He intercepts balls so he can launch counter attacks.

 

is fast and tall and is physical (no more long balls towards cedric from the opposition)

 

And based on this clip he prefers direct or slide passes over crosses. I think that is important based on Che at Brum last year he preferred that style of pass to get his goals, it could mean him and Danny unleashed a lot earlier.

 

watch?v=SWBzvdhCoK4

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Is it? Pretty much all of our goals have been scored by one player who has a history of missing large parts of the season through injury.

 

What's the plan if that happens again, as we must imagine there's a decent chance.

 

The reasoning is that if the defence improves, things at the top of the park will improve too. Redmond is out of form but will improve, and we have Djenepo and Boufal too, not to mention JWP and Armstrong that can play more advanced roles. Oh, and Sims back from his loan. I’d be massively surprised if we brought in an attacking midfielder with all those on the books. As for strikers... we’ll after spending £15 million on Adams in the summer, again I’d be massively surprised if we spent more on a striker, although as Long would be going in the summer most likely, I think that position would be addressed then. The defence needs sorting way more than the attack, and from what I read on here, it seems like we’re going to have limited funds to do even that!

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Right back and Centre back are a must. I know the model is to buy young, but I feel we need a relatively experienced centre back to make sure we see out games without hanging on and having a bit of game management.

 

Cedric is absolutely pathetic and needs to be sold in January. Valery isn't good enough defensively, but good going forwards.

 

The attack is strong enough and I don't feel needs addressing.

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Goalkeeper for me. We have a dodgy defence who'd benefit hugely from a calm presence behind them. We've completed fcked up the keeper's position for years now and it's hurting us.

 

People go easy on McCarthy because he replaced woefully off form Forster then Gunn. But there's a reason he hasn't played much at this level, he's a really poor all round keeper. It's not the massive howlers all keepers make at some stage, it's just consistently conceding slightly soft goals and making poor decisions. Flapping at crosses and not dominating the box has really cost us recently.

 

Hoping Ralph has some keeping ideas from the Bundesliga. Gunn can learn alongside someone decent and experienced. But right now, ridiculously, our best keeper is Forster.

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Goalkeeper for me. We have a dodgy defence who'd benefit hugely from a calm presence behind them. We've completed fcked up the keeper's position for years now and it's hurting us.

 

People go easy on McCarthy because he replaced woefully off form Forster then Gunn. But there's a reason he hasn't played much at this level, he's a really poor all round keeper. It's not the massive howlers all keepers make at some stage, it's just consistently conceding slightly soft goals and making poor decisions. Flapping at crosses and not dominating the box has really cost us recently.

 

Hoping Ralph has some keeping ideas from the Bundesliga. Gunn can learn alongside someone decent and experienced. But right now, ridiculously, our best keeper is Forster.

Someone with experience would be ideal, 32+ years old. Any reserve keepers about that were first choice in the prem for a number of years?

 

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If we can't afford and sign a CB who is better than the players we have then we really do deserve relegation.

 

If we don't sign one then relegation will be handed to us on a plate.

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Is it? Pretty much all of our goals have been scored by one player who has a history of missing large parts of the season through injury.

 

What's the plan if that happens again, as we must imagine there's a decent chance.

 

A very fair point and a new issue that I’ve been discussing my friends. Well Ings stay there until May, probably not and we’ve had our longest run with him so we are riding a luck. If we bring in a loan, we need an established scorer not a work in progress to come straight into the squad for a relegation battle and all a loan would probably be best bet as our future is murky.

 

Our defence counteracts our attacking positivity (despite us needing 5 chances to convert 1) so that’s the immediate area of concern (as it has been for 3 season, can’t let that dig go) but if Ings goes down, we have an entirely bigger problem). If we don’t act in January, we will go down and we will deserve it for being the most idiotic and complacent football club in the league. 3 relegation battles with pretty much the same, pitiful defence.

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A very fair point and a new issue that I’ve been discussing my friends. Well Ings stay there until May, probably not and we’ve had our longest run with him so we are riding a luck. If we bring in a loan, we need an established scorer not a work in progress to come straight into the squad for a relegation battle and all a loan would probably be best bet as our future is murky.

 

Our defence counteracts our attacking positivity (despite us needing 5 chances to convert 1) so that’s the immediate area of concern (as it has been for 3 season, can’t let that dig go) but if Ings goes down, we have an entirely bigger problem). If we don’t act in January, we will go down and we will deserve it for being the most idiotic and complacent football club in the league. 3 relegation battles with pretty much the same, pitiful defence.

 

That meant to read, “will Ings stay fit”

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A very fair point and a new issue that I’ve been discussing my friends. Well Ings stay there until May, probably not and we’ve had our longest run with him so we are riding a luck. If we bring in a loan, we need an established scorer not a work in progress to come straight into the squad for a relegation battle and all a loan would probably be best bet as our future is murky.

 

Our defence counteracts our attacking positivity (despite us needing 5 chances to convert 1) so that’s the immediate area of concern (as it has been for 3 season, can’t let that dig go) but if Ings goes down, we have an entirely bigger problem). If we don’t act in January, we will go down and we will deserve it for being the most idiotic and complacent football club in the league. 3 relegation battles with pretty much the same, pitiful defence.

 

If Ings is injured, we have Che Adams ready to come in or have you already written him off after 8 games? Mess

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If Ings is injured, we have Che Adams ready to come in or have you already written him off after 8 games? Mess

 

Yes, I have written him off. Not just because of the lack of goals, but due to the lack of mobility, the lack of a strikers instinct, the lack of dribbling skill, the lack of a passing game, the lack of any semblance of a footballing brain befitting of the Prem. He’s just not good enough and a waste of how many millions?

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