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Just now, JustinSFC said:

The only ones of those who you could say have improved directly due to Ralph is Prowse.

As for Bednarek. He's got worse.

The others have been the same.

There is no way Bednarek has gotten worse, you clearly don't remember him under Hughes he was getting held out the side by Hoedt. Romeu has gotten exponentially better, as has Stu. Stephens has ups and downs but his quantity of "ups" were much higher under Ralph.

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2 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

There is a huge difference between a rumour of a club making a bid vs him 'almost' leaving the club

https://www.watfordobserver.co.uk/sport/16403799.james-ward-prowse-watford-reportedly-make-10-million-bid-southampton-midfielder/

True, I remember hearing from some source at the time we had a £15m price tag but they wouldn't go over £10m. Either way, his price tag has clearly over tripled since then thanks to Ralph completely reinventing him as a footballer and making him into our best and most important player.

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Are we going to be top of the points conceded from winning positions table for the third running season? Honestly what the fuck does he say at half time.

Genuinely think we need some Strachan or Poch-esque fitness training as we are wank second half.

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11 minutes ago, Saints foreva said:

71 points lost from a winning position under Hassenhuttl now. Shocking, fucking shocking. 

Almost as bad as 2....9-0 defeats.....................................................................................how many of those games when points are lost were say in the last 10 mins or less?

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3 hours ago, TWar said:

True, I remember hearing from some source at the time we had a £15m price tag but they wouldn't go over £10m. Either way, his price tag has clearly over tripled since then thanks to Ralph completely reinventing him as a footballer and making him into our best and most important player.

This aged well.

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Bored of his feeble attempts at game management and his inability to learn any lessons. This side should be drilled to see out games and, if they were, that would have been a straightforward victory and 3 welcome points. Instead we cede the initiative after half time in nearly every match and Ralph is incapable of doing anything about it. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. Maybe Ralph's sanity is in question. 

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Just now, SaveloyMush said:

I hope you are not counting this season in that, as he has been shit.

£50m+? Fuck off.

I am. He hasn't been. And that's how much he would be worth. He had an excellent game until the last 3 mins or so.

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38 minutes ago, Baird of the land said:

Not sure what you can do with these players. They just have no ruthlessness and a massive panic switch.

He's signed at least half of them or decided to keep the ones he inherited, buck stops with him. He's had 3 years and we will be fighting relegation this year for sure.

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3 hours ago, JustinSFC said:

The only ones of those who you could say have improved directly due to Ralph is Prowse.

As for Bednarek. He's got worse.

The others have been the same.

Agreed. This whole Improving players stuff is a bit of a myth.

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39 minutes ago, bpsaint said:

Are we going to be top of the points conceded from winning positions table for the third running season? Honestly what the fuck does he say at half time.

Genuinely think we need some Strachan or Poch-esque fitness training as we are wank second half.

It's got nothing to do with fitness or what's said. It's as simple as the other manager making changes and us not reacting or adapting.

Shit game management / tactical competence. Nothing more, nothing less. 

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3 minutes ago, egg said:

It's got nothing to do with fitness or what's said. It's as simple as the other manager making changes and us not reacting or adapting.

Shit game management / tactical competence. Nothing more, nothing less. 

Of course it's also down to what is said. Managers need to motivate their players, get them in the right frame of mind, prepare them for tough situations (against 10 men shouldn't be that tough though FFS). Ralph clearly is unable to do that (along with the other things you mentioned too).

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2 minutes ago, egg said:

It's got nothing to do with fitness or what's said. It's as simple as the other manager making changes and us not reacting or adapting.

Shit game management / tactical competence. Nothing more, nothing less. 

Exactly this. It's happening too many times to be considered bad luck - it is sheer incompetence. Time he started earning his huge salary.

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27 minutes ago, Streaky said:

He's signed at least half of them or decided to keep the ones he inherited, buck stops with him. 

Isn't that a bit like blaming me for my car breaking down because I was only able to afford a Lada rather than a Rolls Royce?

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He needs a strong number 2 to say ‘sorry Ralph - but I disagree’, surrounded by inadequate yes men, I’d even go so far as to say he’s been given far too much power. We’re never going to fire him as we can’t afford to - also can’t see us attracting anyone better so we’ll continue to squander chances and tire/ get figured out 2nd half. Just got to hope we’re better than 3 others each season. Also aside from JWP I’m struggling to think of a player he has improved.

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1 hour ago, Roo1976 said:

Almost as bad as 2....9-0 defeats.....................................................................................how many of those games when points are lost were say in the last 10 mins or less?

The 9-0's are a millstone around his neck that will probably never go away (well, not unless he achieves something truly remarkable, like win a trophy or something). They will always be used as a stick to beat him with and it's only fair to be honest (no matter how unfair the second one was IMO).

I'm still in the camp that thinks we should persevere with him, but I often ask myself why. I guess the reason is that I honestly don't think either of us could do any better at this time and that the continuity is probably doing us more good than we can really appreciate.

The thing that frustrates / motivates me in equal measure is that we always seem 2-3 games away from either a decent / toxic position, but invariably we achieve neither.  If we'd won against Leicester and Brighton things would be looking rather good right now, but if we'd lost them then we'd probably all be calling for his head.  It was the same with the Norwich game, a real punch in the stomach after the promise beforehand.

In summary, we just seem to be plodding along in the most mediocre of fashions, but then that pretty much reflects the club as a whole really?

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50 minutes ago, egg said:

It's got nothing to do with fitness or what's said. It's as simple as the other manager making changes and us not reacting or adapting.

Shit game management / tactical competence. Nothing more, nothing less. 

Game management wise I thought we were pretty solid in second half. It wasn't the managers fault JWP gave the ball away and Romeu gave the foul away. 

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We're on track to stay up, but not much more.  I suspect the board won't do anything while that's the case. Today we were 2 minutes from going 11th.

For those who want Ralph gone we are not doing badly enough to create momentum.  It still feels like the Ralph out movement (not cult) is on-line more than in the city or the stadium.

For those who want Ralph to stay he's not doing well enough to make it easy for us to defend him. I'm more in this camp, which is why I try to stay away from here on days like this.  But like a moth to a flame I've been drawn in.

As things stand I''m pretty certain he won't be going anywhere.  And that's alright with me. But we need to change the pattern soo.  Not scoring enough early, fading in the 2nd half and dropping points is so familiar we need to try something different.  And that's down to Ralph.  I thought he'd fixed it earlier but 3 of the last 4 games suggest it's still there.

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4 minutes ago, The Left Back said:

We're on track to stay up, but not much more.  I suspect the board won't do anything while that's the case. Today we were 2 minutes from going 11th.

For those who want Ralph gone we are not doing badly enough to create momentum.  It still feels like the Ralph out movement (not cult) is on-line more than in the city or the stadium.

For those who want Ralph to stay he's not doing well enough to make it easy for us to defend him. I'm more in this camp, which is why I try to stay away from here on days like this.  But like a moth to a flame I've been drawn in.

As things stand I''m pretty certain he won't be going anywhere.  And that's alright with me. But we need to change the pattern soo.  Not scoring enough early, fading in the 2nd half and dropping points is so familiar we need to try something different.  And that's down to Ralph.  I thought he'd fixed it earlier but 3 of the last 4 games suggest it's still there.

Good summary, it’s where I’m at.

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48 minutes ago, The Left Back said:

We're on track to stay up, but not much more.  I suspect the board won't do anything while that's the case. Today we were 2 minutes from going 11th.

For those who want Ralph gone we are not doing badly enough to create momentum.  It still feels like the Ralph out movement (not cult) is on-line more than in the city or the stadium.

For those who want Ralph to stay he's not doing well enough to make it easy for us to defend him. I'm more in this camp, which is why I try to stay away from here on days like this.  But like a moth to a flame I've been drawn in.

As things stand I''m pretty certain he won't be going anywhere.  And that's alright with me. But we need to change the pattern soo.  Not scoring enough early, fading in the 2nd half and dropping points is so familiar we need to try something different.  And that's down to Ralph.  I thought he'd fixed it earlier but 3 of the last 4 games suggest it's still there.

I suspect a lot are the missing 3,000 or so from the attendance every home game but that’s not to say there isn’t an anti Ralph sentiment in the ground - the boos at full-time were very much a reflection of seeing the same pattern for 3 years. 

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48 minutes ago, The Left Back said:

We're on track to stay up, but not much more.  I suspect the board won't do anything while that's the case. Today we were 2 minutes from going 11th.

For those who want Ralph gone we are not doing badly enough to create momentum.  It still feels like the Ralph out movement (not cult) is on-line more than in the city or the stadium.

For those who want Ralph to stay he's not doing well enough to make it easy for us to defend him. I'm more in this camp, which is why I try to stay away from here on days like this.  But like a moth to a flame I've been drawn in.

As things stand I''m pretty certain he won't be going anywhere.  And that's alright with me. But we need to change the pattern soo.  Not scoring enough early, fading in the 2nd half and dropping points is so familiar we need to try something different.  And that's down to Ralph.  I thought he'd fixed it earlier but 3 of the last 4 games suggest it's still there.

Grab an extra goal in the first half and we win this game. That's what's so tantalising - it feels like we're so close to being a good side. With a clinical striker and a better keeper we'd be a mid table team. As it is, it is hard to defend but I've certainly seen far worse Saints sides. Today doesn't bear comparison to the way the relegation side kept panicking and dropping points

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2 hours ago, Sunglasses Ron said:

The 9-0's are a millstone around his neck that will probably never go away (well, not unless he achieves something truly remarkable, like win a trophy or something). They will always be used as a stick to beat him with and it's only fair to be honest (no matter how unfair the second one was IMO).

I'm still in the camp that thinks we should persevere with him, but I often ask myself why. I guess the reason is that I honestly don't think either of us could do any better at this time and that the continuity is probably doing us more good than we can really appreciate.

The thing that frustrates / motivates me in equal measure is that we always seem 2-3 games away from either a decent / toxic position, but invariably we achieve neither.  If we'd won against Leicester and Brighton things would be looking rather good right now, but if we'd lost them then we'd probably all be calling for his head.  It was the same with the Norwich game, a real punch in the stomach after the promise beforehand.

In summary, we just seem to be plodding along in the most mediocre of fashions, but then that pretty much reflects the club as a whole really?

This is correct - well put. It’s also the best we can achieve without any serious investment.
 

The expectations on here are baffling bordering on moronic 

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1 minute ago, There when Franny scored said:

This is correct - well put. It’s also the best we can achieve without any serious investment.
 

The expectations on here are baffling bordering on moronic 

Just so we are clear, what expectations are on here? That we don’t capitulate in 2nd halves? That we player more consistently, that we make better subs more often. 

Im not sure these are so moronic. I’ve always been keen to keep Ralph, but im very confused about him, and likely not as confused as he is about how to change things. 

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1 minute ago, Billy the Kidd said:

Just so we are clear, what expectations are on here? That we don’t capitulate in 2nd halves? That we player more consistently, that we make better subs more often. 

Im not sure these are so moronic. I’ve always been keen to keep Ralph, but im very confused about him, and likely not as confused as he is about how to change things. 

We’ve regularly capitulated from winning positions in my 40 years watching Saints. You can’t expect to play vaguely attacking, high tempo football like we do and not have spells later in the game where the other team are on top. He said when we he arrived it might be a roller coaster but it wouldn’t be boring. He’s true to his word. He obviously doesn’t tell them to capitulate second half but a team of mediocre players can’t play well the whole game. If they could they wouldn’t be playing for us. If they can, we sell them to better teams. 
 

The style we play has us doing fairly well for the players we have given the overall minimal net outlay over a prolonged period. Lots of other teams have spent more and been relegated. You have to accept the drawbacks in our approach. In the long term Ralph considers it pays off. So far I would say he’s basically right. We stay up and have had a couple of decent cup runs. 
 

The other obvious approach for a club like us is to do what Puel did. Organised with an emphasis on a defensive platform. He also kept us up and we had a decent cup run. 
 

Do you remember how his style of football went down on here!

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I really didn’t see this as a second half capitulation. They had one chance straight at McCarthy, used all three subs trying to change things but we contained them well, and had chances to make it a comfortable two or three - nil.

Today was on the players, our game plan was sound and the subs pretty much correct. I don’t know what Ralph is supposed to do about JWP playing a truly astonishing ball across the front of his own penalty box, without looking and with a massive space in front of him.

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Just now, There when Franny scored said:

We’ve regularly capitulated from winning positions in my 40 years watching Saints. You can’t expect to play vaguely attacking, high tempo football like we do and not have spells later in the game where the other team are on top. He said when we he arrived it might be a roller coaster but it wouldn’t be boring. He’s true to his word. He obviously doesn’t tell them to capitulate second half but a team of mediocre players can’t play well the whole game. If they could they wouldn’t be playing for us. If they can, we sell them to better teams. 
 

The style we play has us doing fairly well for the players we have given the overall minimal net outlay over a prolonged period. Lots of other teams have spent more and been relegated. You have to accept the drawbacks in our approach. In the long term Ralph considers it pays off. So far I would say he’s basically right. We stay up and have had a couple of decent cup runs. 
 

The other obvious approach for a club like us is to do what Puel did. Organised with an emphasis on a defensive platform. He also kept us up and we had a decent cup run. 
 

Do you remember how his style of football went down on here!

Well I don’t think we need to play like Puels team to be more effective than now. 

Watching Saints do so for 40 years is irrelevant. Maybe we need to play to the strengths of the players we have. Rangnick was interviewed the other day and asked about Ronaldo. He said you have to play a way to suit the players. We are doing the exact opposite and have done for 4 years under Ralph. At times it has been ok and worked well, and others it has been a disaster. 

We have done ok and Ralph has kept us up, that doesn’t mean we can’t do better or worse, but Ralph for sure has an arrogance about him and doesn’t like saying he got it wrong. 

Not wanting to drag up the Puel shit, it wasn’t all bad, boring shit under him, maybe the last 6 weeks but I didn’t mind him personally, and it was never as bad as people made out. 

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I think the vast majority on here don’t just want to see managers go, but are sick of paying for and watching this repeated awful performance game in and game out. I’m a saints supporter it’s not about winning every game but my frustration at watching us make the same mistakes every game in the 2 nd half is really growing.  I’m not sure the players are as bad as the 2nd halves show but the tactical nouse certainly is. It’s like knowing you are going to crash and just not stopping it..  that’s Ralph’s job. Whether he is up to it or not can be debated, but it seems to me that he is not  as he just can’t stop it happening. 
 

 

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21 minutes ago, There when Franny scored said:

 

The expectations on here are baffling bordering on moronic 

What is 'moronic' about expecting us to win a home game to a weakened Brighton side who are down to ten men?

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3 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

I really didn’t see this as a second half capitulation. They had one chance straight at McCarthy, used all three subs trying to change things but we contained them well, and had chances to make it a comfortable two or three - nil.

Today was on the players, our game plan was sound and the subs pretty much correct. I don’t know what Ralph is supposed to do about JWP playing a truly astonishing ball across the front of his own penalty box, without looking and with a massive space in front of him.

You have a point about the 2nd half and I get you can’t always dominate the game for 90 mins, but Ralph rarely makes any attempt to change stuff when opposing teams and managers change stuff. 

I agree the players let him down, but that was mainly from 90 to 98 mins, what about the other 45 mins before where we didn’t really change stuff or try to play in a different way? JWP brain farting and using that as the excuse is papering over the cracks imo. 

As good as I think we were against a better Leicester side, Brighton we’re poor and we couldn’t beat them, and barely reacted to this in the second period. So correct not a capitulation but hardly a ringing endorsement for a tactical masterclass from Ralph either. Put simply, he barely blinked second half. 

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7 minutes ago, Billy the Kidd said:

Well I don’t think we need to play like Puels team to be more effective than now. 

Watching Saints do so for 40 years is irrelevant. Maybe we need to play to the strengths of the players we have. Rangnick was interviewed the other day and asked about Ronaldo. He said you have to play a way to suit the players. We are doing the exact opposite and have done for 4 years under Ralph. At times it has been ok and worked well, and others it has been a disaster. 

We have done ok and Ralph has kept us up, that doesn’t mean we can’t do better or worse, but Ralph for sure has an arrogance about him and doesn’t like saying he got it wrong. 

Not wanting to drag up the Puel shit, it wasn’t all bad, boring shit under him, maybe the last 6 weeks but I didn’t mind him personally, and it was never as bad as people made out. 

I think that’s a fair view although I don’t agree. I think we play quite entertaining football given the players we have and get enough points in the process. We might be able to play a more boring style and get more points with these players but certainly not many more. They aren’t good players relative to the league. I think Brighton have better players and have certainly invested more. 
 

Completely agree about Puel though. I was simply pointing out how he was viewed on here. I also rated him. 

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