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I can't align Ralph's desire for a small squad with a style of play almost guaranteed to see injured and/or knackered players.

The inability to shut up shop when having a bad day is also a concern. Everyone needs a Plan B, as Mike Tyson almost said.

Ralph is clearly a fantastic, passionate but perhaps fair-weather manager. The Germanic reputation for inflexibility (I know he is Austrian) may be to blame here - he is not the only manager in the top leagues to suffer this trait.

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Would not want him to resign at all. We have been top of the league and playing the best football for years and he has got the best from players who are generally not top quality. Last night was a disaster due to injuries, inexperienced players and top quality opposition. MIke Deans performance was also bad but that did not cost us the game.

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No and I think this thread is silly.

All these people going 'teams shouldn't capitulate like this etc etc.', are missing one thing.

Our players week in week out train and play to do high intensity pressing game, pushing their opponents back and working on very specific actions, 'automations' or something I think Ralph calls it, so all this play is basically second nature to them, this is how they know how to play and what they train for all the time. 

How easy do you expect the team to just switch that off and suddenly play a narrow ow block? Not very easy.

We have to accept for the style of play we have and for the great and exciting games to watch, when things go wrong, we get injuries and some bad luck there is chance for a spanking in there, much like Leeds as well.  

Our players attitude and mentality is to constantly play on the front foot and its difficult to suddenly switch that up, and you have to remember we don't have a world class squad full of experienced players who know what to do in every situation in football. We have a relatively young squad lacking a lot of first teamers out there, I would reckon Vestergaard and Romeu asides being very important players are big leaders and communicators, which means we didn't have that on the pitch.

Let's be honest Ralph has the vast majority of the time got this squad to overperform, the last few weeks largely can be put down to bad luck with injuries and poor decisions IMO, even if what happened tonight (which it wouldn't without the injuries and poor decisions), more of the squad available and some less terrible decisions and we'd probably be still amongst the top 5 or 6, we should have had a point or more against Villa, and I reckon with less injuries some of those draws would be wins and suddenly we have 4-6 more points. 

Let's also put this into perspective, we just lost 9-0, we have massive amounts of injuries, and yet we are still only 6 points from 5th. 

And we do it with a very fun to watch style of play, that sometimes causes us to fuck up, but I'd honestly much rather us lose 9-0 once a season than be like a Newcastle or a Burnley and be less exciting than watching paint dry. 

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Obviously shouldn't be sacked and hopefully wont resign. He's a fantastic manager and I'm glad we have him - but that still doesn't excuse a second 9-0 defeat. Keeping possession and maintaining defensive discipline when you are clearly the second best team on the pitch is an art in itself, one he needs to work a bit harder at enforcing with this team.

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We are extremely lucky to have this manager and we should hold on to him whatever it takes. If anything having a second 9 nil defeat on his CV may help us keep him! 

 

Unlike Leicester where we were crap, we suffered yesterday mainly due to injuries and having to use youth players. That's not really Ralph's fault, more a fault of an owner who refuses to put his hand in his pocket.

 

If anything, Ralph may decide to walk, but let's hope that doesn't happen. Our first XI can beat anybody,  it is strength in depth that we lack and for that we need investment. Ralph can't work miracles forever. 

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Last night was a "perfect storm"... a threadbare squad of fit players (2 keepers on the bench!) playing away at Man United (joint league leaders, in excellent form), a young debutant getting sent off inside 2 minutes and a set of match officials intent on giving pretty much every decision against Saints (not even just the marginal decisions).

Which manager would you prefer to have at Saints, a manager who suffered two 9-0 defeats or a manager who took us to the top of the table for the first time in the Premier League era?

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Also should be remembered that this season probably two of the greatest club sides in history, with two of the greatest managers probably in history, with their full teams have been on the end of thumpings, and they had no sendings off nor any dodgy decisions against them. 

We are a club with about 1/4 if not less of their budgets, who were missing 9 first team squad members, had two players sent off and some officials hell bent on giving everything against us. 

It's an anomaly result in a season of weird results, we just need to get back on track as soon as possible and get out first team back on the pitch, which we know can compete up there with the very best in the league and we can still have a good season to build on for next year (and hopefully new better owners as well). 

We are still a work very much in progress, this is just a little embarrassing bump in the road. 

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I’d quite happily take getting thumped 9-0:once a season if it means we get to keep Ralph.

Hes got his flaws, but given some genuine resources he’ll do amazing things for a club. To get that shower of shit to top place was a miracle in itself. 

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We were well beaten last night, but the 9-0 scoreline was just a freak. There's a reason that most of the media coverage is talking about VAR and the refereeing.

We went top of the Premier League for the first time since it was formed. We're 6 points off 5th. We beat the reigning champions. We knocked the holders out of the FA Cup. A few games ago we were still in the title race.

There's knee-jerk, and then there's this.

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29 minutes ago, Give it to Ron said:

So how do you think we can afford to pay off another manager and staff when we can’t even loan a full back?

ludicrous our support 

Well that’s clearly not an issue of cost, not that I’m suggesting we should pay Ralph off.

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12 hours ago, Ekelund said:

Nippers 10, seen two 9-0 defeats, he made me stay til Leicester got their 7th, TV tonight. 

 

We're used to getting beat, of course we are but tonight and villa has me close to just binning it off thanks to VAR.  Surely these will be held up as examples as to how its going wrong. 

 

Personally I'm just grateful I was around for tiss. You know, the old days... 

 

No doubting this side, when fit, are far ahead of the mid 90s side but it got me thinking. 

 

Tiss in a shit team?

 

Or

 

Ings (while we've got him) in a decent 11 aiming for mid table. 

 

If we're not going to go for it properly, and I mean properly, I'd take Simon charlton, Alan nielson, Richard dryden etc giving it to tiss all day long. It was electric. 

 

I'm 38 and perhaps the VAR detachment has got me after the last 2 games but I wish me nipper could see tiss in his pomp. 

 

We'll get there

I'm a 60 odd year old MP and this is rough, can't imagine how it is for the youngsters.  I remember a couple of heavy defeats when I was a kid, doesn't make for a pleasant time in school the next day.

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WE need Ralph more than ever now. We've got the basis of a good squad, just not enough to cover excessive injuries. And a new manager would dismantle what is good, as always happens.

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Ralph is basically the Jack Stephens of management. Pretty decent, some flashes of brilliance but also the tendency to oversee a colossal balls up. 
 

Which is kinda what Saints are and have always been 🤷🏼‍♂️

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We need Ralph more than ever now. Hes the best manager we've had in a long long time  Hes had to deal with not only a crippling injury list but also the complete farce of that officiating of last night. We are still only 4 points off of 6th and in the 5th round of the cup :) hopefully when the injury list starts to ease we will be back to being very competitive again. Upwards and onwards, in Ralph we trust :)

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Ridiculous to want Ralph gone, if anything we should be praying he wants to stay, even the board aren't at fault for this, I'm pretty sure if the owner gave them cart blanche they'd get all the players Ralph wants and needs.  No, the fault lies squarely at Gao's feet, he is the one who thinks that you can run a premier league football club with zero investment

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17 hours ago, simo said:

Genuine question , not saying he's been awful for us but how many top flight managers have two 9 nil defeats on their record !? He's been seriously let down by the higher management at Saints and if I was him I'd walk it's embarrassing. 

We are only 6 points away from 5th place! 🙄

I know we won't finish 5th. But a Saints manager shouldn't resign when that close to 5th place.

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2 hours ago, Pancake said:

Ralph is basically the Jack Stephens of management. Pretty decent, some flashes of brilliance but also the tendency to oversee a colossal balls up. 
 

Which is kinda what Saints are and have always been 🤷🏼‍♂️

Jack Stephens has never shown a flash of brilliance so the simile ends there. 

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Not a chance will he resign !     Saying that i think he will go at the end of the season .   No decent manager will put up with the constraints we have implemented ..We have no money and it will only get worse.!    Hoping  some rich fooker will buy us and put some money in.

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Should Ralph resign ?

On the back of that result,no

On the knowledge that he,s probably got this team as far as he can with the backing the owner is giving him,then would not be surprised as yes.

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On 02/02/2021 at 22:15, simo said:

Genuine question , not saying he's been awful for us but how many top flight managers have two 9 nil defeats on their record !? He's been seriously let down by the higher management at Saints and if I was him I'd walk it's embarrassing. 

You’re embarrassing 

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1 hour ago, gammon cheeks said:

Not a chance will he resign !     Saying that i think he will go at the end of the season .   No decent manager will put up with the constraints we have implemented ..We have no money and it will only get worse.!    Hoping  some rich fooker will buy us and put some money in.

We’ve brought in Salisu, Diallo, Walcott, KWP and Minamino in a year when everyone is tighter because of Covid. We’ve also stuck with a manager who has lost 9-0 twice and is yet to finish top half. I’m not sure Europe’s giants rate Ralph quite as highly as we do. Poch and Koeman were both consistently better and only went to Everton and Spurs.

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4 minutes ago, Give it to Ron said:

Anyone else see the banners on Millbrook Road Bridge....Back Ralph

This. His said in the presser he's been lifted by a mass of messages of support from fans.

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10 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

We’ve brought in Salisu, Diallo, Walcott, KWP and Minamino in a year when everyone is tighter because of Covid. We’ve also stuck with a manager who has lost 9-0 twice and is yet to finish top half. I’m not sure Europe’s giants rate Ralph quite as highly as we do. Poch and Koeman were both consistently better and only went to Everton and Spurs.

As long time sufferers of Southampton Football Club, I think us fans appreciate the job Ralph is doing because we know what a mess he inherited.  The 9-0s hurt, but nearly any other manager would have us relegated or battling against it, he's lifted us up to solid mid table with further aspirations, incredible job.

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10 minutes ago, Charlie Wayman said:

"Games like this can happen from time to time...."  quote from RH press conference!

They don't happen to anybody else matey and never twice in 18 months.

so what do you suggest. Guarantee me performances like this season and one 9-0 defeat and ill take that to the day i die. Been to a S?T holder for too many years to know that we are onto  a good thing here. 

My biggest fear right now is that we will be relegated within 2/3 years of RH leaving.

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Sack him off get Gerrard in with Lampard as Asst. Manager.

Scholes in as coach alongside G.Neville. Shame Phil just got a new job he could have run the ladies team.

Owen comes in as motivational speaker.

 

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Where's all this 'I'm embarrassed' shit come from? I was proud to call myself a Saints fan before Tuesday and still am today.

I don't how old the posters are on here but in our previous time in the top flight I can remember shipping 7 goals at both Goodison and Anfield never mind the fateful 3 nil up at half time against Tranmere only to lose 4-3. Sadly shit happens but through all our travails (and there's been plenty) I've never been embarrassed to say I'm a Saints fan.

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22 minutes ago, wild-saint said:

Guarantee me performances like this season and one 9-0 defeat and ill take that to the day i die

Totally. In fact, I think we should own this 9-0 malarkey from here on in and engineer one each season.

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29 minutes ago, Charlie Wayman said:

"Games like this can happen from time to time...."  quote from RH press conference!

They don't happen to anybody else matey and never twice in 18 months.

You really have got a bee in your underwear about this haven’t you? Look none of us are happy about it BUT ffs, if Dean hadn’t taken over with his ego trip and totally ballsed up with the second sending off that game ends 6-1, maybe 7 (the Adams goal should of counted)  it doesn’t go to 9. Don’t let the fact we have horrendous injuries, are playing kids cos there is no other choice, and had to play the previous 85 minutes with 10 men get in your way though eh?

That result is absolutely nowhere near as bad or hurtful as the Leicester one, that was a disgrace. Tuesday was not, fuck me even the normally brain dead Paul Merson on Sky said “this ain’t a 9-0, no way”

I’m still more upset about the injustice of the Villa game. Nobody will ever convince me we weren’t cheated there. That’s the game you should be having a fit about, not a result where everything that could possibly go wrong did.

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2 hours ago, Trout-Tickler said:

Where's all this 'I'm embarrassed' shit come from? I was proud to call myself a Saints fan before Tuesday and still am today.

I don't how old the posters are on here but in our previous time in the top flight I can remember shipping 7 goals at both Goodison and Anfield never mind the fateful 3 nil up at half time against Tranmere only to lose 4-3. Sadly shit happens but through all our travails (and there's been plenty) I've never been embarrassed to say I'm a Saints fan.

I was at tranmere that night and at Goodison park but being at Leicester home last year and and again a 9 zip at old Trafford on tv gotta say the stick I took for foxes game Isn’t as bad as old Trafford maulin! Two 9 Nils in two seasons with same manager not changing tac to suit situations ie go 3 at the back with wing backs or 5 across the middle ..I love Ralph and seen some of the best football saints have played under him .. but Letting experienced full backs go out on loan and bringing in  a cb with personal issues and long term injury we know nothing about can not be ignored..embarrassed is a strong word and would never associate with my love for Southampton ..more disbelief of current issues is more par.

A win a st James park tomorrow with some key missing players back we be a start to long road of putting this to bed ..pundits will be dining out on two 9 nils for years to come unfortunately 

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3 hours ago, Trout-Tickler said:

Where's all this 'I'm embarrassed' shit come from? I was proud to call myself a Saints fan before Tuesday and still am today.

I don't how old the posters are on here but in our previous time in the top flight I can remember shipping 7 goals at both Goodison and Anfield never mind the fateful 3 nil up at half time against Tranmere only to lose 4-3. Sadly shit happens but through all our travails (and there's been plenty) I've never been embarrassed to say I'm a Saints fan.

I'm with you my adipose friend. Are you S.B. by any chance? Hartley?

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8 hours ago, Chris cooper said:

I was at tranmere that night and at Goodison park but being at Leicester home last year and and again a 9 zip at old Trafford on tv gotta say the stick I took for foxes game Isn’t as bad as old Trafford maulin! Two 9 Nils in two seasons with same manager not changing tac to suit situations ie go 3 at the back with wing backs or 5 across the middle ..I love Ralph and seen some of the best football saints have played under him .. but Letting experienced full backs go out on loan and bringing in  a cb with personal issues and long term injury we know nothing about can not be ignored..embarrassed is a strong word and would never associate with my love for Southampton ..more disbelief of current issues is more par.

A win a st James park tomorrow with some key missing players back we be a start to long road of putting this to bed ..pundits will be dining out on two 9 nils for years to come unfortunately 

If you’re going to make comments at least do some research. 
 

We played 5 at the back v Leicester and that also didn’t work.

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On 02/02/2021 at 23:32, Morse said:

There is a lot Ralph cant control, like a player getting sent off after 2 minutes, and Mike Dean being an utter tool. But a team should know what to do in a bad situation to stop it getting out of hand. Most teams do, it's why 9-0's are so rare. Once is embarrassing twice is negligent. 

Agree...

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No he shouldn't resign, and overall he has been great for us.

However I think he has a few blind spots - maybe because he is strong in his own belief/stubborn etc. He never seems to want to revert to a plan B (I believe he does have plans B and C but seldom seems to utilise them for whatever reason). After all he did change the kamikaze high defending tactics of the first two games. But you do have to question why after 4 or 5 down at OT he didn't just ask the payers to park the bus? There was no way we were going to get anything out of the game at that stage, and for anyone that thinks it was the players choice, you could clearly hear Ralph encouraging the team to push up in the commentary.

Ah well if he was perfect he wouldn't be our manager - same as the players. 

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This is definitely a case of be careful what you wish for. Although I do agree with those that cite negligence when something like this happens twice, it really is unacceptable. Charlie Austin loves to pipe up at times like these and although he’s a bitter bloke, he makes some valid points - we should have defended that game in a way where we never see such a  scoreline again.

However, this was different to Leicester - Refs and VAR made this game the record scoreline. Injuries and early red card made the prefect storm. Sounds an easy bias/excuse, but it’s 6-0 with 5 to play (we had also scored a fair goal). We are not seeing 9-0 without the Bednarek decisions. We cannot remove all blame though, we were absolutely shocking.

Ultimately, are we likely to find another manager that can deliver the following:

1. 5th highest points PL total in a calendar year (2020).

2. Style of football we actually get behind and enjoy watching.

3. Strong relationship with the fans, Ralph’s emotionally there with us. See Sheffield United and Liverpool at home.

4. Manager with potential. I think we have seen Ralph improve and he has the potential to improve much further. He’s linked with big clubs for a reason.

With all that in mind, we would be asking him to resign on the basis of just 2 games of football, when the entire time inbetween he’s been working miracles. I’m fully behind Ralph and hope this summer someone finally invests in us to move that glass ceiling a little higher.

To sack Ralph for making this unwanted history would be short sighted and only impact us negatively going forward. Injuries are on their way back and we should see the Saints that have entertained and performed beyond our expectations since Project Restart return.

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