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4 minutes ago, SFC Forever said:

The sad fact as I see it is that last tail end we did not have the players that we now have. Our bench was terribly weak and that is why I believe Ralph struggled as severely as he did when making substitutions.  Now having replaced seriously poor players with more quality we are able to react positively with our subs. Salisu is far better than any of last season's defenders. Tino is also a massive improvement and KWP is still one of our best players. 

For anybody to say that the improvement in quality has less to do with Ralph's improving substitutions needs to wake up. Not having competition for places leaves players feeling safe in the knowledge that they will be playing week on week as long as they are fit.

He played Redmond instead of Adams up front in a semi final. That’s not down to lack of resource, that’s down to lack of judgement. I’ve also read that Vesty & Bertrand’s lack of pace was a problem playing Ralph ball, that’s down to him. Insisting on playing a way that doesn’t suit the players available, is a  lack of judgement again. There’s plenty of other examples, Stephens in midfield, the after you Claude goalkeeping policy. In some games we were a complete and utter shambles, that’s not resources, that’s not being set up properly and a lack of flexibility.

Anyway, let’s hope he has learnt and adapted, because if we believe the cult, and he’s managing exactly the same way as he did last season, it won’t take too many suspensions/injuries before we’re on another horrendous run. 

 

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I'd say 90% of the time if a teams quality dramatically drops for a sustained period of time its an injury to a player (or multiple) or drop in form of a player (or multiple) who was more key than people thought, if it comes back when the player returns then that goes up to 99%. The very rare times a manager tends to make an impact of that size it is a positive one with change of formation or giving some new lads a chance.

People love "sack the manager" as it is an easy thing to grasp and get your head around but it rarely is the root of the problem (occasionally is, but pretty rare). Dean Smith is an example, he's the same guy who managed them the last 3 years, the thing that has changed is they lost their most important guy. Obviously if they can upgrade on him they should (same with any manager ever) but some fans are calling for him to be replaced by John Terry or Frank Lampard and I just feel like, his team isn't that good right now, that needs to be addressed primarily.

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1 hour ago, TWar said:

The big benefit of this thread is it shows the casual onlooker how stupid the "failures and successes are on the manager and no one else" mentality is with a good working example of how - surprisingly - having a better playing squad does matter a bit.

Agreed that it is a silly mentality as it is a combination of things that go into any teams successes and failures. Having a better squad will also obviously help with results/performances unless you are a truly dire manager (which I don't believe Ralph to be).

A lot of this talk seems to skirt around my main issues with Ralph last season though so let me try putting it this way...

During last seasons poor run do you believe that - when you take into account injuries, squad depth, covid and all other factors - Ralph did the best he could with what was available? Do you think the performances, results and points return over those last 20 games from January onwards was the best we could have hoped for under the circumstances?

I'm not looking for a discussion about what options were available or what outside factors were at play i'm purely interested on how people think Ralph reacted to and dealt with these issues. Did he do a good job when a bad hand was played to him or did he fumble when his back was up against the wall?

My personal opinion is that - again having taken all other elements into account - we still under performed due to the manager in that he was unable to do anything to overturn our bad form and that decisions that were made actively hampered us in some cases. It would appear that many think he did well enough or at least not bad enough for it to be a problem but it's hard to get a judge on this as the discussion is always shifted to the other factors rather than to Ralph himself.

In the end though he still did enough over the course of the season to keep us up and both him and the squad look to have improved greatly this season. Perhaps last seasons poor run is something that can be looked at as a one off and left in the past but it has left doubt in my mind as to how he can deal with adversity when it does arrive.

 

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2 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

He played Redmond instead of Adams up front in a semi final. That’s not down to lack of resource, that’s down to lack of judgement. I’ve also read that Vesty & Bertrand’s lack of pace was a problem playing Ralph ball, that’s down to him. Insisting on playing a way that doesn’t suit the players available, is a  lack of judgement again. There’s plenty of other examples, Stephens in midfield, the after you Claude goalkeeping policy. In some games we were a complete and utter shambles, that’s not resources, that’s not being set up properly and a lack of flexibility.

Anyway, let’s hope he has learnt and adapted, because if we believe the cult, and he’s managing exactly the same way as he did last season, it won’t take too many suspensions/injuries before we’re on another horrendous run. 

 

Thats one decision you disagree with, in a vacuum. Maybe Redmond had been better in training, maybe Adams was carrying a knock or a tight muscle, maybe he felt (correctly) the game would be pretty cagey and that he needed more creatively and that Redmond could provide that. Who knows. It was one choice.

How is Vesty and Bertrands lack of pace down to him? He didn't sign them? He clearly wanted a quicker CB thats why we brought in Salisu and Salisu would have been playing much earlier if it wasn't for injury. That's down to poor recruitment pre-Ralph as Vest was basically never good, Ryan should have been replaced way before he was and Ralph clearly wanted fullbacks in Jan and we didn't give him any.

Stephens in midfield was again due to necessity due to injuries to Romeu and Diallo coupled with Armstrong being needed further up, Smallbone being out, and Jankewitz being not up to the level. The goalkeeping thing was clearly to assess his number one for the following season after we were safe, similar to how top teams give youngsters a run out near the end of the year. I didn't like it but it had logic.

Flexibility comes with having more players, you can't be flexible if you don't have options.

It will take a lot more injuries and suspensions as we have a lot more depth, that is literally the point. 

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5 minutes ago, Diabolus Ex Machina said:

During last seasons poor run do you believe that - when you take into account injuries, squad depth, covid and all other factors - Ralph did the best he could with what was available? Do you think the performances, results and points return over those last 20 games from January onwards was the best we could have hoped for under the circumstances?

 

I think he did pretty well, Pep/Klopp might have done better, Howe/Ole might have done worse. He did what I would expect a top half prem manager to have done in that sort of situation. Stylistically, a manager who didn't play his high tempo style wouldn't have been as likely to have had so many injuries but on the other hand, such a manager wouldn't have had us soaring so high considering how little we spent pre-injury.

It's also worth noting such a thing is hard to judge, given the massive constraints of fixture congestion and recovery time our team was placed under the freak COVID season. I think it hurt high tempo teams disproportionately and we saw Liverpool struggle a bit too. Similarly massively blighted by injury.

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12 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

He played Redmond instead of Adams up front in a semi final. That’s not down to lack of resource, that’s down to lack of judgement. I’ve also read that Vesty & Bertrand’s lack of pace was a problem playing Ralph ball, that’s down to him. Insisting on playing a way that doesn’t suit the players available, is a  lack of judgement again. There’s plenty of other examples, Stephens in midfield, the after you Claude goalkeeping policy. In some games we were a complete and utter shambles, that’s not resources, that’s not being set up properly and a lack of flexibility.

Anyway, let’s hope he has learnt and adapted, because if we believe the cult, and he’s managing exactly the same way as he did last season, it won’t take too many suspensions/injuries before we’re on another horrendous run. 

 

Like I said above, his resources weren’t great but the high line and constant press with Vest and Bertrand in defence was a error from the manager.

He was too stubborn last season in my mind.

 

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2 minutes ago, TWar said:

Thats one decision you disagree with, in a vacuum. Maybe Redmond had been better in training, maybe Adams was carrying a knock or a tight muscle, maybe he felt (correctly) the game would be pretty cagey and that he needed more creatively and that Redmond could provide that. Who knows. It was one choice.

How is Vesty and Bertrands lack of pace down to him? He didn't sign them? He clearly wanted a quicker CB thats why we brought in Salisu and Salisu would have been playing much earlier if it wasn't for injury. That's down to poor recruitment pre-Ralph as Vest was basically never good, Ryan should have been replaced way before he was and Ralph clearly wanted fullbacks in Jan and we didn't give him any.

Stephens in midfield was again due to necessity due to injuries to Romeu and Diallo coupled with Armstrong being needed further up, Smallbone being out, and Jankewitz being not up to the level. The goalkeeping thing was clearly to assess his number one for the following season after we were safe, similar to how top teams give youngsters a run out near the end of the year. I didn't like it but it had logic.

Flexibility comes with having more players, you can't be flexible if you don't have options.

It will take a lot more injuries and suspensions as we have a lot more depth, that is literally the point. 

Wait for the "Yeah, but no, but....." from Lord Ducky. He really is coming across as a sad, bitter individual who is desperate, now that things are looking up a bit, to find something/anything to placate the "Anti-Ralph Coven".

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1 hour ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

He made many mistakes last season, picked the wrong side too many times, was too inflexible tactically, and was too slow with his substitutions. It looks to me like he’s gone away in the summer and had a look at himself and addressed these failings.
 

If you want to believe he’s managing exactly the same way as he did last season I suggest you get your head up from the latest spreadsheet and pay attention. 

Every single one of your points can be put down to squad depth.

''Too inflexible tactically'' - didn't have the right mix of players to do anything radically different.

''Too slow with substitutions'' - he turned around and saw N'Lundulu, Valery, Watts and Obafemi on the bench and probably thought what's the point.

''Picked the wrong side too many times'' - What with injuries and suspensions he was having to play with numerous squad pegs in round holes to get us through games.

It's amazing how he's suddenly better with substitutes now he has viable options to choose.

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Just now, S-Clarke said:

Every single one of your points can be put down to squad depth.

''Too inflexible tactically'' - didn't have the right mix of players to do anything radically different.

''Too slow with substitutions'' - he turned around and saw N'Lundulu on the bench and probably thought what's the point.

''Picked the wrong side too many times'' - What with injuries and suspensions he was having to play with numerous squad pegs in round holes to get us through games.

It's amazing how he's suddenly better with substitutes now he has viable options to choose.

This seems such an obvious conclusion to reach I think to not get there you have to be wilfully choosing not to

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16 minutes ago, Diabolus Ex Machina said:

Agreed that it is a silly mentality as it is a combination of things that go into any teams successes and failures. Having a better squad will also obviously help with results/performances unless you are a truly dire manager (which I don't believe Ralph to be).

A lot of this talk seems to skirt around my main issues with Ralph last season though so let me try putting it this way...

During last seasons poor run do you believe that - when you take into account injuries, squad depth, covid and all other factors - Ralph did the best he could with what was available? Do you think the performances, results and points return over those last 20 games from January onwards was the best we could have hoped for under the circumstances?

I'm not looking for a discussion about what options were available or what outside factors were at play i'm purely interested on how people think Ralph reacted to and dealt with these issues. Did he do a good job when a bad hand was played to him or did he fumble when his back was up against the wall?

My personal opinion is that - again having taken all other elements into account - we still under performed due to the manager in that he was unable to do anything to overturn our bad form and that decisions that were made actively hampered us in some cases. It would appear that many think he did well enough or at least not bad enough for it to be a problem but it's hard to get a judge on this as the discussion is always shifted to the other factors rather than to Ralph himself.

In the end though he still did enough over the course of the season to keep us up and both him and the squad look to have improved greatly this season. Perhaps last seasons poor run is something that can be looked at as a one off and left in the past but it has left doubt in my mind as to how he can deal with adversity when it does arrive.

 

Prett much sums up how I feel about last season, Ralph had some issues and didnt get it right a lot of the time 2nd half of the season, injuries or not. He should have shut up shop, and made us harder to beat, he didnt and the confidence drained from the lives of the players, at all levels.

And as Duck said, at least he seems to have learned from this. I wouldn’t be surprised if him learning was also sitting down with Semmons, and being told wtf was that about…

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4 minutes ago, TWar said:

This seems such an obvious conclusion to reach I think to not get there you have to be wilfully choosing not to

Or some top trolling!

Note how Ducky always fails to answer direct questions with any kind of tangible answer. Amazing how such a poor manager turned around a team with 9 points from 16, to one which finished the season on 39 points without signing a single player. I am certain Howe wouldn't be able to do similar at Newcastle. Nor would Howe get a team like Leipzig to finish 2nd in the Bundesliga.

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Can you imagine if Ralph now goes to Villa, and we get Eddie Howe. All worked out perfectly after all 🤪

And then Newcastle have to re-hire Steve Bruce, as no one else wants to go there. I was hoping Shearer on MOTD would throw his hat into the ring. You know youre fucked when Alan starts offering his services. Still, the fences around St James Park would have never looked to freshly creosote’d.

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2 minutes ago, Billy the Kidd said:

Prett much sums up how I feel about last season, Ralph had some issues and didnt get it right a lot of the time 2nd half of the season, injuries or not. He should have shut up shop, and made us harder to beat, he didnt and the confidence drained from the lives of the players, at all levels.

And as Duck said, at least he seems to have learned from this. I wouldn’t be surprised if him learning was also sitting down with Semmons, and being told wtf was that about…

He could have done things differently. He certainly made some mistakes. No one is perfect. I would have done things differently. Those things are probably different to the different things you would do. That's football. At the end of the day though his decisions were largely ones made through necessity, not simple choices. Plus we were never even remotely likely to be relegated. We also made it to the FA Cup semi-final. I disagreed with Redmond starting in that match too, but understand why Ralph picked him at the time. Redders had scored a couple of lovely goals in the previous matches. Adams had been a bit 'off'. And the reason we lost had nothing to do with Redmond. It was fluke goal conceded in what was a very even match. But when someone has a bee in their bonnet, and his name is Ducky........ 

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3 minutes ago, Billy the Kidd said:

Can you imagine if Ralph now goes to Villa, and we get Eddie Howe. All worked out perfectly after all 🤪

 

Please God, no!!!!!

Moreover, why do Villa think they can simply click their fingers and take managers already under contract elsewhere? That didn't even work for Newcastle, with all their wealth!

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2 minutes ago, Minsk said:

He could have done things differently. He certainly made some mistakes. No one is perfect. I would have done things differently. Those things are probably different to the different things you would do. That's football. At the end of the day though his decisions were largely ones made through necessity, not simple choices. Plus we were never even remotely likely to be relegated. We also made it to the FA Cup semi-final. I disagreed with Redmond starting in that match too, but understand why Ralph picked him at the time. Redders had scored a couple of lovely goals in the previous matches. Adams had been a bit 'off'. And the reason we lost had nothing to do with Redmond. It was fluke goal conceded in what was a very even match. But when someone has a bee in their bonnet, and his name is Ducky........ 

Sure, I like Ralph, would be keeping him, just sometimes these threads can come across as Ralph couldn’t do anything wrong, he was hamstrung by injuries and depth etc. Which are true, but not that he was the messiah as he did cause a lot of issues himself, that is what most people appear to be saying, even Duck from what I can tell.

And now ive got to worry about Ralph leaving for the Villa, and us getting Steve Bruce.

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1 minute ago, Minsk said:

Please God, no!!!!!

Moreover, why do Villa think they can simply click their fingers and take managers already under contract elsewhere? That didn't even work for Newcastle, with all their wealth!

Yeah, I think he will stay, but I can see him being tempted as a move up from us. Bigger club, more money etc.

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2 minutes ago, Billy the Kidd said:

Sure, I like Ralph, would be keeping him, just sometimes these threads can come across as Ralph couldn’t do anything wrong, he was hamstrung by injuries and depth etc. Which are true, but not that he was the messiah as he did cause a lot of issues himself, that is what most people appear to be saying, even Duck from what I can tell.

And now ive got to worry about Ralph leaving for the Villa, and us getting Steve Bruce.

Right, everything doesn’t have to be black or white. We had massive issues with our squad making life tough for Ralph. Where I feel Ralph was to blame was sticking to his high energy, high line, high press tactics.

I like Ralph and want him to stay, he is getting closer to having the squad he needs to play a full season with his philosophy at a consistent level.

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45 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

He played Redmond instead of Adams up front in a semi final. That’s not down to lack of resource, that’s down to lack of judgement. I’ve also read that Vesty & Bertrand’s lack of pace was a problem playing Ralph ball, that’s down to him. Insisting on playing a way that doesn’t suit the players available, is a  lack of judgement again. There’s plenty of other examples, Stephens in midfield, the after you Claude goalkeeping policy. In some games we were a complete and utter shambles, that’s not resources, that’s not being set up properly and a lack of flexibility.

Anyway, let’s hope he has learnt and adapted, because if we believe the cult, and he’s managing exactly the same way as he did last season, it won’t take too many suspensions/injuries before we’re on another horrendous run. 

 

Do you actually have any idea how pathetic you come across when you keep referring to anybody who doesn't share your overly negative view of Ralph as 'the cult'?

Ralph, like anyone has strengths and he has weaknesses. There's not a single poster here who would try and argue that he is perfect and has never made any mistakes. But your constant harping on about his faults without showing the slightest sign of praising his successes is getting very tiresome now.

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Aston Villa' board's delusions are apparent in even thinking about Gerrard. If he was even remotely interested in moving to a 'lower level' PL club he would be Newcastle manager by now. Publicly even considering a  PL manager still in employment is just asking for litigation. I would suggest the best they can do right now is Lampard, or possibly Nuno, although that could more fan angst than Rafa to Everton

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44 minutes ago, Billy the Kidd said:

Prett much sums up how I feel about last season, Ralph had some issues and didnt get it right a lot of the time 2nd half of the season, injuries or not. He should have shut up shop, and made us harder to beat, he didnt and the confidence drained from the lives of the players, at all levels.

And as Duck said, at least he seems to have learned from this. I wouldn’t be surprised if him learning was also sitting down with Semmons, and being told wtf was that about…

Spot on. 

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20 minutes ago, Sheaf Saint said:

But your constant harping on about his faults without showing the slightest sign of praising his successes is getting very tiresome now.

Pony.

 

I’ve posted praise for the bloke on various threads, particularly the match day ones (when it’s deserved). I can totally understand you not wanting to read my opinions, but try not to make things up when you don’t. it’s getting very tiresome now. 

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21 minutes ago, Billy the Kidd said:

Prett much sums up how I feel about last season, Ralph had some issues and didnt get it right a lot of the time 2nd half of the season, injuries or not. He should have shut up shop, and made us harder to beat, he didnt and the confidence drained from the lives of the players, at all levels.

And as Duck said, at least he seems to have learned from this. I wouldn’t be surprised if him learning was also sitting down with Semmons, and being told wtf was that about…

I think the players finally got it! Ralfs playbook is all about his pressing style and the automism within it. I like most thought wtf with the 9-0 drubbing, but right there he showed he was not going to back down from his press. I look back and think he said 1-0 or 9-0, I want you to keep practicing the press. We have to get it right! Shut up shop was not in his mind. In the summer he brought in players to compliment the press, trained all summer on the press and automism. Players now seem to understand what is required,  our press is the best in the league! We have better coverage at the back and the off ball marking has improved.  We now get all three teams now beginning to win using the playbook. It has taken a while, but what Ralf was trying to introduce was very difficult. Anyone who has played ball will know the style we play is very difficult achieve tactically and physically. We have recruited the right players and taken a couple of years to get it to this point. I think there is more to come as the playbook is ingrained further and the players improve with a clear path on what is needed.

This year we have the press and automism working much better, step one completed, so Ralf has added better game control/ management.  We press and rest intelligently. We will defend a lead in the second half if needed and getting better at it.

Players are improving under him and the team cohesion and attitude looks great. 

My rose tinted glasses are full red, white and black! March on and up Saints!

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2 minutes ago, BERMUDASAINT said:

I think the players finally got it! Ralfs playbook is all about his pressing style and the automism within it. I like most thought wtf with the 9-0 drubbing, but right there he showed he was not going to back down from his press. I look back and think he said 1-0 or 9-0, I want you to keep practicing the press. We have to get it right! Shut up shop was not in his mind. In the summer he brought in players to compliment the press, trained all summer on the press and automism. Players now seem to understand what is required,  our press is the best in the league! We have better coverage at the back and the off ball marking has improved.  We now get all three teams now beginning to win using the playbook. It has taken a while, but what Ralf was trying to introduce was very difficult. Anyone who has played ball will know the style we play is very difficult achieve tactically and physically. We have recruited the right players and taken a couple of years to get it to this point. I think there is more to come as the playbook is ingrained further and the players improve with a clear path on what is needed.

This year we have the press and automism working much better, step one completed, so Ralf has added better game control/ management.  We press and rest intelligently. We will defend a lead in the second half if needed and getting better at it.

Players are improving under him and the team cohesion and attitude looks great. 

My rose tinted glasses are full red, white and black! March on and up Saints!

You may have a some credence in your post, but last year, having had around 2 years of automations and the press, idle have thought they should have known what it was and what to do. 

I think Ralph can likely take the plaudits for the great run in 2020 so can shoulder some of the shit from Jan to May 21. 

Im just pleased my weekends aren’t a total write off after more inept displays and defeats, although I’m still not getting carried away by beating teams around us, let’s see how things are in Jan, but I think we’re gonna be ok. 

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Aston Villa have nobody lined up as an immediate replacement for Dean Smith, Sky Sports News has been told, though Denmark coach Kasper Hjulmand is expected to be considered - while Steven Gerrard and Ralph Hassenhuttl have also been linked.

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🚨 Aston Villa are considering Southampton manager Ralph Hasenhuttl & Rangers boss Steven Gerrard as their next manager after the dismissal of Dean Smith #saintsfc [telegraph]
 

Seems a bit unlikely 

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7 minutes ago, DT said:

🚨 Aston Villa are considering Southampton manager Ralph Hasenhuttl & Rangers boss Steven Gerrard as their next manager after the dismissal of Dean Smith #saintsfc [telegraph]
 

Seems a bit unlikely 

They sack a manger after 5 defeats we keep one who won 4 in about 30 I am sure he is a perfect fit!!

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Ralph’s odds tumbling for the Villa job. He was 12/1 an hour ago and now 6/1 third favourite, behind Gerrard and Terry.

Personally I’d be gutted if he did leave us for Villa. But money and ambition talks I guess, and he wouldn’t get a Big 6 job (yet), so next best I suppose. 

This has a sniff of the Koeman to Everton (would never happen, just a sideways step) move…. 

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55 minutes ago, DT said:

🚨 Aston Villa are considering Southampton manager Ralph Hasenhuttl & Rangers boss Steven Gerrard as their next manager after the dismissal of Dean Smith #saintsfc [telegraph]
 

Seems a bit unlikely 

And I'm considering heading into town this evening and getting a blowey off Margot Robbie.

Anyone placing bets?

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5 hours ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

If you think last seasons horrendous results weren’t down to Ralph in any way ,there’s no hope for you. If you think he didn’t make any mistakes, then you’re “pretty dim”. We were a fucking shambles half the time, that’s on the manager, nobody else. 

 

You talk about the cult but you seem to be forming your own. Yes Ralph made some mistakes but you seem blinkered to some of the mitigating factors of last season. 

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10 minutes ago, Yozzman said:

You talk about the cult but you seem to be forming your own. Yes Ralph made some mistakes but you seem blinkered to some of the mitigating factors of last season. 

I think cult is the wrong word for his ilk, they just have agenda's 

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1 hour ago, TWar said:

Pretty unlikely he goes tbh. Lateral move to a team who could easily be in a bit of trouble. Could happen, hope it doesn't though. Ralph is our biggest asset (even more so than JWP probably)

Personally I hope you’re right. But we did say the same about Koeman to Everton.

Money talks sadly, and a little bit of a boards ambition (or lack of) too.

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