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More importantly, a good summary being shared now:

 

Strap yourselves in folks, one of the political stories of the century is brewing...

 

1. A concerned mother shares a photo of her 4-year-old boy who was forced to wait hours on a hospital floor with suspected pneumonia.

 

2. The photo circulates online so a journalist challenges Boris Johnson about it during an interview by showing him the picture of the boy on his phone.

 

3. Johnson repeatedly refuses to even look at the boy, let alone acknowledge responsibility for the situation, and eventually steals the journalists phone and puts it in his pocket.

 

4. There is uproar about Johnson's lack of compassion so Health Minister, Matt Hancock, is dispatched to the hospital to deal with the situation.

 

5. Matt Hancock briefs journalists that, while at the hospital, one of his advisors was "punched" by a Labour activist.

 

6. Much of the media unquestioningly report the "punch" by the "Labour activist" as fact without checking the validity of the allegation. Widespread rage about "violent Labour activists" spreads like wildfire online.

 

7. Video footage then emerges online showing that the story had been entirely fabricated and was 100% false.

 

8. The media sheepishly backtrack on what they have posted out to the world.

 

9. A Facebook post then appears claiming to be from a "good friend" of a nurse working in Leeds hospital. The post says that the photograph of the 4-year-old was faked by a "Labour activist". The post is shared more than 30,000 times.

 

10. The claim is unquestioning reported as fact by much of the media without checking its validity.

 

11. Suspicions of the validity of the claim are then raised as it is discovered there are literally thousands and thousands of Facebook and Twitter accounts posting exactly the same claim, word for word.

 

12. It becomes clear that bots are being used to spread disinformation. The hospital also confirms the accuracy of the photo and that it had already apologised to the mother.

 

13. The media sheepishly backtrack on what they have posted out to the world.

 

14. The account where the post originated then comes into question. It belongs to a (real) woman named Sheree Jenner-Hepburn who claims her account has "hacked".

 

15. Further investigation shows that Sheree Jenner-Hepburn was not the innocent victim of a hack, but that the post was made from her account intentionally, as she responded to her friend's comments on the post.

 

16. It's then discovered that Sheree Jenner-Hepburn's son has a Facebook friend with a very prominent role within this story which may cast light on the motives behind the fake post.

 

17. It's… Matt Hancock's account!!!

 

In summary: it appears that the actual Health Minister of the British Government has not only fabricated a "punch" to deflect the heat from his boss, but, after being found out the first time, he *may* have used his friend's Facebook account to circulate another entirely fabricated story to try and smear his political opponents.

 

Even the writers of The Thick Of It would find this story too incredible to script!

 

[Pictures in the comments to show the proof of various parts of the story for those who have dismissed me as a "mad conspiracy theorist". The "conspiracies" are real. All you have to do is open your eyes.]

 

Credit Jon Maiden for the excellent text

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More importantly, a good summary being shared now:

 

Strap yourselves in folks, one of the political stories of the century is brewing...

 

1. A concerned mother shares a photo of her 4-year-old boy who was forced to wait hours on a hospital floor with suspected pneumonia.

 

2. The photo circulates online so a journalist challenges Boris Johnson about it during an interview by showing him the picture of the boy on his phone.

 

3. Johnson repeatedly refuses to even look at the boy, let alone acknowledge responsibility for the situation, and eventually steals the journalists phone and puts it in his pocket.

 

4. There is uproar about Johnson's lack of compassion so Health Minister, Matt Hancock, is dispatched to the hospital to deal with the situation.

 

5. Matt Hancock briefs journalists that, while at the hospital, one of his advisors was "punched" by a Labour activist.

 

6. Much of the media unquestioningly report the "punch" by the "Labour activist" as fact without checking the validity of the allegation. Widespread rage about "violent Labour activists" spreads like wildfire online.

 

7. Video footage then emerges online showing that the story had been entirely fabricated and was 100% false.

 

8. The media sheepishly backtrack on what they have posted out to the world.

 

9. A Facebook post then appears claiming to be from a "good friend" of a nurse working in Leeds hospital. The post says that the photograph of the 4-year-old was faked by a "Labour activist". The post is shared more than 30,000 times.

 

10. The claim is unquestioning reported as fact by much of the media without checking its validity.

 

11. Suspicions of the validity of the claim are then raised as it is discovered there are literally thousands and thousands of Facebook and Twitter accounts posting exactly the same claim, word for word.

 

12. It becomes clear that bots are being used to spread disinformation. The hospital also confirms the accuracy of the photo and that it had already apologised to the mother.

 

13. The media sheepishly backtrack on what they have posted out to the world.

 

14. The account where the post originated then comes into question. It belongs to a (real) woman named Sheree Jenner-Hepburn who claims her account has "hacked".

 

15. Further investigation shows that Sheree Jenner-Hepburn was not the innocent victim of a hack, but that the post was made from her account intentionally, as she responded to her friend's comments on the post.

 

16. It's then discovered that Sheree Jenner-Hepburn's son has a Facebook friend with a very prominent role within this story which may cast light on the motives behind the fake post.

 

17. It's… Matt Hancock's account!!!

 

In summary: it appears that the actual Health Minister of the British Government has not only fabricated a "punch" to deflect the heat from his boss, but, after being found out the first time, he *may* have used his friend's Facebook account to circulate another entirely fabricated story to try and smear his political opponents.

 

Even the writers of The Thick Of It would find this story too incredible to script!

 

[Pictures in the comments to show the proof of various parts of the story for those who have dismissed me as a "mad conspiracy theorist". The "conspiracies" are real. All you have to do is open your eyes.]

 

Credit Jon Maiden for the excellent text

 

And you expect.......?

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More importantly, a good summary being shared now:

 

Strap yourselves in folks, one of the political stories of the century is brewing...

 

1. A concerned mother shares a photo of her 4-year-old boy who was forced to wait hours on a hospital floor with suspected pneumonia.

 

2. The photo circulates online so a journalist challenges Boris Johnson about it during an interview by showing him the picture of the boy on his phone.

 

3. Johnson repeatedly refuses to even look at the boy, let alone acknowledge responsibility for the situation, and eventually steals the journalists phone and puts it in his pocket.

 

4. There is uproar about Johnson's lack of compassion so Health Minister, Matt Hancock, is dispatched to the hospital to deal with the situation.

 

5. Matt Hancock briefs journalists that, while at the hospital, one of his advisors was "punched" by a Labour activist.

 

6. Much of the media unquestioningly report the "punch" by the "Labour activist" as fact without checking the validity of the allegation. Widespread rage about "violent Labour activists" spreads like wildfire online.

 

7. Video footage then emerges online showing that the story had been entirely fabricated and was 100% false.

 

8. The media sheepishly backtrack on what they have posted out to the world.

 

9. A Facebook post then appears claiming to be from a "good friend" of a nurse working in Leeds hospital. The post says that the photograph of the 4-year-old was faked by a "Labour activist". The post is shared more than 30,000 times.

 

10. The claim is unquestioning reported as fact by much of the media without checking its validity.

 

11. Suspicions of the validity of the claim are then raised as it is discovered there are literally thousands and thousands of Facebook and Twitter accounts posting exactly the same claim, word for word.

 

12. It becomes clear that bots are being used to spread disinformation. The hospital also confirms the accuracy of the photo and that it had already apologised to the mother.

 

13. The media sheepishly backtrack on what they have posted out to the world.

 

14. The account where the post originated then comes into question. It belongs to a (real) woman named Sheree Jenner-Hepburn who claims her account has "hacked".

 

15. Further investigation shows that Sheree Jenner-Hepburn was not the innocent victim of a hack, but that the post was made from her account intentionally, as she responded to her friend's comments on the post.

 

16. It's then discovered that Sheree Jenner-Hepburn's son has a Facebook friend with a very prominent role within this story which may cast light on the motives behind the fake post.

 

17. It's… Matt Hancock's account!!!

 

In summary: it appears that the actual Health Minister of the British Government has not only fabricated a "punch" to deflect the heat from his boss, but, after being found out the first time, he *may* have used his friend's Facebook account to circulate another entirely fabricated story to try and smear his political opponents.

 

Even the writers of The Thick Of It would find this story too incredible to script!

 

[Pictures in the comments to show the proof of various parts of the story for those who have dismissed me as a "mad conspiracy theorist". The "conspiracies" are real. All you have to do is open your eyes.]

 

Credit Jon Maiden for the excellent text

 

Sounds very far-fetched. Remember we’re talking about Matt Hancock here.

 

https://m.facebook.com/www.JOE.co.uk/videos/437918810458434/

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More importantly, a good summary being shared now:

 

Strap yourselves in folks, one of the political stories of the century is brewing...

 

1. A concerned mother shares a photo of her 4-year-old boy who was forced to wait hours on a hospital floor with suspected pneumonia.

 

2. The photo circulates online so a journalist challenges Boris Johnson about it during an interview by showing him the picture of the boy on his phone.

 

3. Johnson repeatedly refuses to even look at the boy, let alone acknowledge responsibility for the situation, and eventually steals the journalists phone and puts it in his pocket.

 

4. There is uproar about Johnson's lack of compassion so Health Minister, Matt Hancock, is dispatched to the hospital to deal with the situation.

 

5. Matt Hancock briefs journalists that, while at the hospital, one of his advisors was "punched" by a Labour activist.

 

6. Much of the media unquestioningly report the "punch" by the "Labour activist" as fact without checking the validity of the allegation. Widespread rage about "violent Labour activists" spreads like wildfire online.

 

7. Video footage then emerges online showing that the story had been entirely fabricated and was 100% false.

 

8. The media sheepishly backtrack on what they have posted out to the world.

 

9. A Facebook post then appears claiming to be from a "good friend" of a nurse working in Leeds hospital. The post says that the photograph of the 4-year-old was faked by a "Labour activist". The post is shared more than 30,000 times.

 

10. The claim is unquestioning reported as fact by much of the media without checking its validity.

 

11. Suspicions of the validity of the claim are then raised as it is discovered there are literally thousands and thousands of Facebook and Twitter accounts posting exactly the same claim, word for word.

 

12. It becomes clear that bots are being used to spread disinformation. The hospital also confirms the accuracy of the photo and that it had already apologised to the mother.

 

13. The media sheepishly backtrack on what they have posted out to the world.

 

14. The account where the post originated then comes into question. It belongs to a (real) woman named Sheree Jenner-Hepburn who claims her account has "hacked".

 

15. Further investigation shows that Sheree Jenner-Hepburn was not the innocent victim of a hack, but that the post was made from her account intentionally, as she responded to her friend's comments on the post.

 

16. It's then discovered that Sheree Jenner-Hepburn's son has a Facebook friend with a very prominent role within this story which may cast light on the motives behind the fake post.

 

17. It's… Matt Hancock's account!!!

 

In summary: it appears that the actual Health Minister of the British Government has not only fabricated a "punch" to deflect the heat from his boss, but, after being found out the first time, he *may* have used his friend's Facebook account to circulate another entirely fabricated story to try and smear his political opponents.

 

Even the writers of The Thick Of It would find this story too incredible to script!

 

[Pictures in the comments to show the proof of various parts of the story for those who have dismissed me as a "mad conspiracy theorist". The "conspiracies" are real. All you have to do is open your eyes.]

 

Credit Jon Maiden for the excellent text

This exciting new information pretty much guarantees a 150 seat working majority for Corbyn and comrades. Congratulations Jeremy and everyone at Sqwarkbox.

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Adam Price, leader of Plaid Cymru, wants to make lying by politicians a criminal offence. Good luck getting that onto the Statute book.

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There is a 'Reality Check' article on the BBC website titled "The misinformation war over the boy in the hospital". Not a single mention of Laura Kuensberg's twitter account.

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Adam Price, leader of Plaid Cymru, wants to make lying by politicians a criminal offence. Good luck getting that onto the Statute book.

 

If he got it done in Wales and SNP got it done in Scotland then the pressure on Westminster would be huge.

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Was Ashworth just having some ‘Bantz’ about jezza. Or is he telling more lies suggesting that?

 

I’ll see your Ashworth and raise you a Major, a Heseltine and a Clark.

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If he got it done in Wales and SNP got it done in Scotland then the pressure on Westminster would be huge.

True, but politics would be an extremely quiet world if they weren't able to distort the truth.

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This election campaign has made it pretty clear that much of Labour's core support no longer feel that Labour represent them properly.

 

So what's the future of Labour/opposition then? Most people would probably agree that their is a need for some kind of socialism in the UK, whether that's in the form of healthcare paid for by the taxpayer, affordable housing, basic rights for workers, decent schools and other services funded by taxation etc.

 

Those things will be catered for to an extent by the Conservatives, but they aren't really in line with Conservative ideals, as they are a part of socialism. Given enough power over enough time they will be heavily affected/eroded. Not that Conservative ideals are wrong, many of them are very important to me, but a world with no socialism would be pretty bleak.

 

 

 

Just wondering, with this election looking a clear Tory win, what future, credible opposition will be? Will there be a genuine overhaul, or just a reshuffling? Is "not Corbyn" really enough? Interested in perspectives from both sides.

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Another brilliant day for Johnson so far.

 

When asked to do a live interview on GMB, one of his aides tells the reporter to f*ck off, and Johnson hides in a fridge to escape the camera crew.

 

Such a noble, statesmanlike character isn't he.

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I’ll see your Ashworth and raise you a Major, a Heseltine and a Clark.

 

Soggy fails to realise the difference between a current shadow minister slagging off his leader and three Tory dinosaurs, two of whom have been retired for some time and the third who should have retired some time ago. All three of them historically happy with EU vassal state membership of the EU. Ashworth on the other hand, says that Labour's muddled position on the EU has caused the party to lose support.

 

You haven't thought this through very well, Soggy.

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Frankly, this election is dismal and boils down to a choice between what you think is the least damaging of:

 

- the clueless approach to Brexit and utter skulduggery of the Tories

 

OR

 

- the economic naivety and myopic dogma of the current Labour party

 

I take some solace from the fact that even if Johnson wins and gets the WA through, he might be forced into a rethink during the course of next year. I take further solace from the fact that the Corbyn government might not be able to implement policies particularly quickly and could get booted out in five years without causing too much irreversible harm.

 

Maybe a hung parliament and further gridlock is best, which might even help embolden politicians to seek electoral reform.

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Another brilliant day for Johnson so far.

 

When asked to do a live interview on GMB, one of his aides tells the reporter to f*ck off, and Johnson hides in a fridge to escape the camera crew.

 

Such a noble, statesmanlike character isn't he.

 

I, like you, cannot begin to understand where this idiot/clown/buffon garners support from anyone.

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You have to go some to find a worse choice than Donald Trump but in this campaign Johnson has shown that he is. Apart from the same old soundbite, he rambles incoherently and embarrasses himself on a daily basis. Mr Bean would make a better PM.

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After all the "debate", to summarise my position:

 

Why I will not vote Tory.

 

1. I don't want a PM who is a pathological liar.

2. I value the NHS and don't want it sold piecemeal to the USA.

3. I want a statesman-like PM who will face up to interviews, give real answers rather than parroted soundbites and not talk over interviewers to avoid questions.

4. I want a PM I can trust.

5. I want a PM with a sense of responsibility to his family, children and partners past and present.

6. I don't want to leave the EU.

7. I don't want a PM who steals a phone to avoid looking at an unpalatable photo, says to camera "there's no media here" and hides in a fridge.

8. I want a PM who respects all people regardless of race, religion and gender and who doesn't use derogatory comments towards them.

9. I want our government to remain accountable, subject to scrutiny and legal challenge (see P48 of the Tory manifesto)

10. I want a fair Britain and a caring society where homelessness and poverty are tackled, food banks once again become a thing of the past and the rich pay their share of taxes

 

 

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I, like you, cannot begin to understand where this idiot/clown/buffon garners support from anyone.

 

He also refused to be interviewed on Radio 2 by Jeremy Vine. The only party leader to do so and ( with the exception of car crash May) the first PM to refuse to go on this show or its predecessor for over 50 years.

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Nige now supporting proportional voting.

 

Nigel Farage in supporting whatever works best for him personally shocker.

 

Proportional voting worked out well for him in the Euro elections in May, but with FPTP he's got little to no hope of getting any MPs into Westminster at a GE.

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You have to go some to find a worse choice than Donald Trump but in this campaign Johnson has shown that he is. Apart from the same old soundbite, he rambles incoherently and embarrasses himself on a daily basis. Mr Bean would make a better PM.

 

Trump is on a different level of corruption, criminality and ignorance.

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I, like you, cannot begin to understand where this idiot/clown/buffon garners support from anyone.
I expect you were dumbfounded why anyone would vote trump or brexit as well.

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After all the "debate", to summarise my position:

 

Why I will not vote Tory.

 

1. I don't want a PM who is a pathological liar.

2. I value the NHS and don't want it sold piecemeal to the USA.

3. I want a statesman-like PM who will face up to interviews, give real answers rather than parroted soundbites and not talk over interviewers to avoid questions.

4. I want a PM I can trust.

5. I want a PM with a sense of responsibility to his family, children and partners past and present.

6. I don't want to leave the EU.

7. I don't want a PM who steals a phone to avoid looking at an unpalatable photo, says to camera "there's no media here" and hides in a fridge.

8. I want a PM who respects all people regardless of race, religion and gender and who doesn't use derogatory comments towards them.

9. I want our government to remain accountable, subject to scrutiny and legal challenge (see P48 of the Tory manifesto)

10. I want a fair Britain and a caring society where homelessness and poverty are tackled, food banks once again become a thing of the past and the rich pay their share of taxes

 

 

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I sure as **** hope you aren't another mug voting for labour then.

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After all the "debate", to summarise my position:

 

Why I will not vote Tory.

 

1. I don't want a PM who is a pathological liar.

2. I value the NHS and don't want it sold piecemeal to the USA.

3. I want a statesman-like PM who will face up to interviews, give real answers rather than parroted soundbites and not talk over interviewers to avoid questions.

4. I want a PM I can trust.

5. I want a PM with a sense of responsibility to his family, children and partners past and present.

6. I don't want to leave the EU.

7. I don't want a PM who steals a phone to avoid looking at an unpalatable photo, says to camera "there's no media here" and hides in a fridge.

8. I want a PM who respects all people regardless of race, religion and gender and who doesn't use derogatory comments towards them.

9. I want our government to remain accountable, subject to scrutiny and legal challenge (see P48 of the Tory manifesto)

10. I want a fair Britain and a caring society where homelessness and poverty are tackled, food banks once again become a thing of the past and the rich pay their share of taxes

 

 

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Well put Shroppie. I would add one more. 11. I am going to vote for a country that gives my children and their children an opportunity to live in a society that is fair and supportive of everybody and is governed by people who carry out these principles in everything they do.

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Well put Shroppie. I would add one more. 11. I am going to vote for a country that gives my children and their children an opportunity to live in a society that is fair and supportive of everybody and is governed by people who carry out these principles in everything they do.
Indeed. I keep thinking of more, but isn't the above list damning enough for someone who wants our trust and votes?

 

In years gone by, when elections were fought on policies and record in power, any one of those would be have been fatal.

 

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Has he ever hidden in a fridge to avoid a TV interview?

 

He’s bribed foreign leaders, colluded with election interference, sexually assaulted women, made lots of weird sexualised comments about his own daughter, slopes off to play golf constantly, corruptly had government money spent on his own businesses, passed overtly racist laws, had some covfefe, bullied people and broken obligations throughout his career causing serious financial difficulties for loads of businesses, got into infantile keyboard wars with people, generally demeaned the office, interposed his unqualified friends and family into inappropriate official situations, threatened to annex a foreign country, supported illegal Israeli actions, incited violence against journalists, lied constantly etc.

 

Johnson is a knob and has done some of the knobish things mentioned above and his campaign is being run by knobs and his cabinet is full of knobs but he’s a got a way to go until he achieves Trump-level knob-head.

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Well put Shroppie. I would add one more. 11. I am going to vote for a country that gives my children and their children an opportunity to live in a society that is fair and supportive of everybody and is governed by people who carry out these principles in everything they do.

 

You won’t be voting then?

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Well put Shroppie. I would add one more. 11. I am going to vote for a country that gives my children and their children an opportunity to live in a society that is fair and supportive of everybody and is governed by people who carry out these principles in everything they do.

 

Where is this Utopia and when will you be moving there? If they'll have you, that is.

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Where is this Utopia and when will you be moving there? If they'll have you, that is.

 

Surely aspiring to live in Utopia is better than the last 9 years of enforced austerity?

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So old Boris refusing just about every interview going. What is he so petrified of?

 

Being exposed as a fraud and clueless. Trouble is hopefully the damage is already done. They should have hidden him in the same cellar as Rees-Mogg.

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So old Boris refusing just about every interview going. What is he so petrified of?
He might be asked a question and be expected to answer.

 

Which is difficult as he only does set-piece soundbites, insulting his opponents and lying (unchallenged) and is pretty ignorant of most of his own party's policy.

 

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Most of the polls seem to show the Conservative vote remaining fairly constant with Labour dropping off sufficiently to give the Tories a clear majority.

 

Effectively a majority government due to Labour voters abstaining because of the clueless leadership.

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After all the "debate", to summarise my position:

 

Why I will not vote Tory.

 

1. I don't want a PM who is a pathological liar.

2. I value the NHS and don't want it sold piecemeal to the USA.

3. I want a statesman-like PM who will face up to interviews, give real answers rather than parroted soundbites and not talk over interviewers to avoid questions.

4. I want a PM I can trust.

5. I want a PM with a sense of responsibility to his family, children and partners past and present.

6. I don't want to leave the EU.

7. I don't want a PM who steals a phone to avoid looking at an unpalatable photo, says to camera "there's no media here" and hides in a fridge.

8. I want a PM who respects all people regardless of race, religion and gender and who doesn't use derogatory comments towards them.

9. I want our government to remain accountable, subject to scrutiny and legal challenge (see P48 of the Tory manifesto)

10. I want a fair Britain and a caring society where homelessness and poverty are tackled, food banks once again become a thing of the past and the rich pay their share of taxes

 

 

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**** me! Friday the 13th is going to be horrendous in your house!

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**** me! Friday the 13th is going to be horrendous in your house!
Possibly so.

 

But if it is, it'll be horrendous for the country too.

 

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Poor old Boris. It looks like his “Get Brexit Done” pledge has been dealt a death blow by Michael Barnier who says that it is “unrealistic” that it will be sorted by 2021. Another false claim by the waffling, lying, clueless Tory leader.

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Poor old Boris. It looks like his “Get Brexit Done” pledge has been dealt a death blow by Michael Barnier who says that it is “unrealistic” that it will be sorted by 2021. Another false claim by the waffling, lying, clueless Tory leader.

 

Will we have left The EU by 2021 if Boris wins tomorrow. Yes or no?

 

 

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Will we have left The EU by 2021 if Boris wins tomorrow. Yes or no?

 

 

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Not exactly getting Brexit done is it?

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Will we have left The EU by 2021 if Boris wins tomorrow. Yes or no?

 

 

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Even better pal: the UK could have all the de facto obligations of EU membership with none of its benefits. Unless he sells chumps like you out.

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Surely aspiring to live in Utopia is better than the last 9 years of enforced austerity?

 

So this Utopia only exists in your head. Whilst it's in there, it can have free roaming unicorns and flights of pigs too, if your imagination is up to it.

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Oh dear, Laura Kuenssberg once again proving herself unfit for her position...

 

 

Did she learn nothing from what happened the other day?

And Wes thinks the beeb is biased against the tories.

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