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20 hours ago, TWar said:

Would people prefer we sign Cash or KWP? Personally ideally I'd see us sell Hojbjerg ASAP for max money and buy Cash, then use the money to sign McKennie. Stop messing about with spurs.

Agree.

Remember the Gospel according to Rupert "we don't deal with North London Yobbos".

16 hours ago, danjosaint said:

Might be me but id rather Cash over kwp

My initial preference was Zeefuik, but if he's not interested then I don't see KWP as the solution to our problems. He has played reasonably well and is an improvement on Valery this season no doubt but I'm amazed so many see him as such a prospect, he had c 20 games for spurs and about 8 games for us during an end of season run in.

For me, he doesn't seems particularly powerful and another shortarse. We know the problems a shortarsed Cedric caused us. 

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The last 3 Dutchmen we have purchased (Hoedt, Martina, Clasie) were nowhere near Prem class, and this Zeefuik guy has not done anything to tell me that he is a work in progress at the best.

KWP is the one we should aim for - Already approved by Ralph and fits our system

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33 minutes ago, Foxstone said:

The last 3 Dutchmen we have purchased (Hoedt, Martina, Clasie) were nowhere near Prem class, and this Zeefuik guy has not done anything to tell me that he is a work in progress at the best.

KWP is the one we should aim for - Already approved by Ralph and fits our system

You don't think it might be our recruitment that was at fault, rather than all of Dutch football?

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3 hours ago, SaintsFan86 said:

So Pierre signed for us 4 years ago at the age of 20 on 60K a week? That's bullshit. Of course he would be getting a pay rise.

He's on at least £50k...I wouldn't move to Spurs when a more established player for a 20% or less payrise.

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4 hours ago, ErwinK1961 said:

👍 he’s trying to sound like he knows what he’s talking about, but doesn’t.

A bit like our new hero worm friend.

A bit harsh if you're referring to me. 

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52 minutes ago, Foxstone said:

The last 3 Dutchmen we have purchased (Hoedt, Martina, Clasie) were nowhere near Prem class, and this Zeefuik guy has not done anything to tell me that he is a work in progress at the best.

KWP is the one we should aim for - Already approved by Ralph and fits our system

Would be nice to get the Dutch posters views on him if they ever drop by.

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1 hour ago, Foxstone said:

The last 3 Dutchmen we have purchased (Hoedt, Martina, Clasie) were nowhere near Prem class, and this Zeefuik guy has not done anything to tell me that he is a work in progress at the best.

KWP is the one we should aim for - Already approved by Ralph and fits our system

This, as far as I can see. Approved and improved by Ralph. I have no idea what Matt Cash is like, but KWP is improving all the time. MoM a couple times. Why would we want to take another trialist, and one likely to cost over £12M?

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1 hour ago, Foxstone said:

The last 3 Dutchmen we have purchased (Hoedt, Martina, Clasie) were nowhere near Prem class, and this Zeefuik guy has not done anything to tell me that he is a work in progress at the best.

KWP is the one we should aim for - Already approved by Ralph and fits our system

The last 3 Dutchmen we purchased were actually Hoedt, Martina and van Dijk. I think VvD was definitely Prem class, even if he was a cock.

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Random linkage i saw whilst trying out new rumours for us (reddit) , it says he has trained with us and Juventus, anyone know anything ?

 

 

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15 hours ago, Convict Colony said:

Random linkage i saw whilst trying out new rumours for us (reddit) , it says he has trained with us and Juventus, anyone know anything ?

 

 

He's chosen Ajax apparently.

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6 hours ago, qwertyell said:

He's chosen Ajax apparently.

A well trodden path for Danish youngsters. Can't blame him really. 

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Sky reporting that we've accepted £15m for Højbjerg and paying £12m for KWP, with add-ons to be negotiated. 

 

I can't help feeling we're being absolutely fucked over yet again

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52 minutes ago, Viking Saint said:

Sky reporting that we've accepted £15m for Højbjerg and paying £12m for KWP, with add-ons to be negotiated. 

 

I can't help feeling we're being absolutely fucked over yet again

1 year on contract. Decent RB. Alright CM.

Great deal.

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1 hour ago, Viking Saint said:

Sky reporting that we've accepted £15m for Højbjerg and paying £12m for KWP, with add-ons to be negotiated. 

 

I can't help feeling we're being absolutely fucked over yet again

Adam Blackmore disputing this. Claims no price for Hojbjerg has been agreed and that 15 million is well below our valuation

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6 minutes ago, woodsaint1 said:

Adam Blackmore disputing this. Claims no price for Hojbjerg has been agreed and that 15 million is well below our valuation

Crook also saying similar and we want 25m

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14 minutes ago, Give it to Ron said:

Crook also saying similar and we want 25m

£25m has been widely mooted as our price for PEH, hence accepting 40% less doesn't strike me as a great piece of business..... 

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3 hours ago, adriansfc said:

1 year on contract. Decent RB. Alright CM.

Great deal.

That's my feeling too.  I think it was Verlaine who thought 20 million for PEH and 15 million for KWP might be the wash up....a 5 million net gain for a player in the last year of his contract and a FB who looks every bit a 15 million pond player - especially when compared to the money received for Matt Targett.    So if it was 15m for PEH and 12m for KWP (add ons and back ended payments aside) would it be such a bad deal for Saints?    I think not.

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WE've got rid of one we didn't want and we've got one we do want and £3million as well. Nothing to moan about --good business. More of the same, please!

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1 minute ago, Dellman said:

WE've got rid of one we didn't want and we've got one we do want and £3million as well. Nothing to moan about --good business. More of the same, please!

It's not confirmed yet!

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I don't understand that some Saints fans are prepared for the club to accept poorer terms in our transfer business than the club are seeking. Do they not realise that we have other transfer targets as well and that some of those may well be dependant upon getting the transfer money from selling Hojbjerg at somewhere near our valuation of him?

Let's not compromise with Spurs and let's be clear with Hojbjerg:

"We have talked and talked but Spurs don't value you highly enough to buy you, so what would you like to do? You can move to Everton or one of the other clubs who value you highly enough to meet our valuation of you or you can stay at Saints and sign a new contract? The choice is yours."

OK - I get it that Hojbjerg could dig in his heels and insist we keep talking the hind legs of a donkey in the hope that Levy might have a personality change, but at some stage even Spuds are going to have to change tack - they either pay what we want or they buy someone else. Let's force them to make the difficult decision. Mourinho is not going to be best pleased if he doesn't get what he wants!

 

Edited by SaintJackoInHurworth
typo and change of text style for imaginary conversation

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9 hours ago, woodsaint1 said:

Adam Blackmore disputing this. Claims no price for Hojbjerg has been agreed and that 15 million is well below our valuation

 

54 minutes ago, Earthworm Jim said:

Sky reporting nonsense again. They need to check their sources. 

#ITK 

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1 hour ago, Earthworm Jim said:

Sky reporting nonsense again. They need to check their sources. 

You follow Adam Blackmore as well then

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Cannot believe we would accept such a deal. Only £3m difference between an experience International Premier League player and a hitherto bit part player seems nonsense.

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2 hours ago, rooney said:

Cannot believe we would accept such a deal. Only £3m difference between an experience International Premier League player and a hitherto bit part player seems nonsense.

Hojbjerg is in the last year of his contract and kwp is English which will have significant impacts. 

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Have to agree,  don't particularly rate Hoj or Kwp but despite what most fans think of Hoj he does do a certain job well, which is why Jose wants him, id tell Hoj if he wants to go hand in a request to forfeit any bonuses hes owed, if not play hardball,  Spurs will need him and wont wait a season for him especially if Ndombele goes to Inter. Kwp is imo only being lauded as Valery is so bad, really think we could do much better, if not then 10m surely has to be the ceiling we'd pay, so far hopefully reports of players plus 3m are wide of the mark and Semmens can add some backbone to Saints

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Everyone in the bottom half would be happy to take Watkins, very good player. I'd be happy with him for sure, though not sure it's where we'll be prioritising our funds this window - especially given Long has signed his new deal. Unless we're looking to sell Adams and replace with Watkins...

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/53662774

 

BBC running the Watkins availability story too. Unless we hit the jackpot shifting our loan army I can't see us affording him/prioritising the forward positions but he would be a top signing at a reasonable price. If the stars aligned we could then look at loaning out Obefemi for consistent game time next season.

 

I think he has enough versatility to be effective in the 2 behind the strikers for us too so maybe worth a look if Boufal moves on too.

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34 minutes ago, Saint Garrett said:

Everyone in the bottom half would be happy to take Watkins, very good player. I'd be happy with him for sure, though not sure it's where we'll be prioritising our funds this window - especially given Long has signed his new deal. Unless we're looking to sell Adams and replace with Watkins...

Agree Watkins does look a good player but difficult to judge how well he'll do in the premier league.  I guess the question is whether he'll be better in his first season than Che Adams after a season of adapting to the pace and power of the division and starting to show some of the form people were expecting from him.  No one really knows the answer to that so it's a gamble (as all transfers are).  Course that's assuming Adams would go if Watkins were to come in.  It's not really a priority for us and I don't see Ralph giving up on Adams yet either. 

Defence looks as though it's getting sorted and as long as we replace Hojberg then I think we're in a better position than the start of last year.  I'm still hopeful that Djenepo will play a much bigger part this season and will remain fit.  Generally speaking I think the system we play is quite difficult for players to get their heads around and be fit enough to operate so there may be a longer acclimatisation period for new players than would otherwise be the case.  

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2 hours ago, Saint Garrett said:

Everyone in the bottom half would be happy to take Watkins, very good player. I'd be happy with him for sure, though not sure it's where we'll be prioritising our funds this window - especially given Long has signed his new deal. Unless we're looking to sell Adams and replace with Watkins...

Agree with pretty much all this - & Che’s form at the end of the season probably rules out the last bit. 

Villa favourites for Watkins, I’d say.

Fulham linked with KWP: 

https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/tottenham-news-fulham-southampton-walker-peters-sessegnon-clarke-skipp-a4517276.html

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13 hours ago, SaintJackoInHurworth said:

 

 

 

5 hours ago, danjosaint said:

Have to agree,  don't particularly rate Hoj or Kwp but despite what most fans think of Hoj he does do a certain job well, which is why Jose wants him, id tell Hoj if he wants to go hand in a request to forfeit any bonuses hes owed, if not play hardball,  Spurs will need him and wont wait a season for him especially if Ndombele goes to Inter. Kwp is imo only being lauded as Valery is so bad, really think we could do much better, if not then 10m surely has to be the ceiling we'd pay, so far hopefully reports of players plus 3m are wide of the mark and Semmens can add some backbone to Saints

Its funny how we as fans see things so differently. I think KWP looks a class act and is the right back we have been crying out for since Clyne left. He was superb when given a run of games at the end of the season. Would be a cracking buy at the reported 12 million 

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2 hours ago, saintbenny said:

 

Its funny how we as fans see things so differently. I think KWP looks a class act and is the right back we have been crying out for since Clyne left. He was superb when given a run of games at the end of the season. Would be a cracking buy at the reported 12 million 

Yeah same for me. Im very happy with this bit of business if it goes thru. All about perspectives I suppose.

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4 hours ago, saintbenny said:

 

Its funny how we as fans see things so differently. I think KWP looks a class act and is the right back we have been crying out for since Clyne left. He was superb when given a run of games at the end of the season. Would be a cracking buy at the reported 12 million 

It’s a similar situation to when we signed Bertrand on loan to replace Shaw. I’d say the majority of fans were underwhelmed after he had just been part of an Aston Villa side who were abysmal but what a great signing he has been. At least KWP has already shown what he can do in the post-lockdown fixtures. I’ll be very pleased if/when we get this over the line.

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4 hours ago, saintbenny said:

 

Its funny how we as fans see things so differently. I think KWP looks a class act and is the right back we have been crying out for since Clyne left. He was superb when given a run of games at the end of the season. Would be a cracking buy at the reported 12 million 

I posted initially after his first 4/5 games that I didnt think KWP was very good. However his performances in the last few games proved me wrong. It'll be a decent bit of business if we can get him for around 10 million. I wonder why the Maehle interest has disappeared, not just from us but from other clubs. Was linked with quite a few decent clubs at one stage

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